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2012-05-06 09:10:13 PM  
i47.tinypic.com

Some folks call it a sling blade, I call it a Kaiser blade.
 
2012-05-06 09:12:02 PM  
Inbreeding in the woods looks like a blast...
 
JVD
2012-05-06 09:14:41 PM  
Off the grid doesn't need to be taken to mean pre-industrialisation

If I had the funds I'd find about 40 acres with an artesian well, 3-4 acre pond, 3/4 wooded with some prairie and a couple acres for a garden and a small coup for some chickens. I'd build a house with a basement and a good root cellar, regular indoor plumbing with well water and septic, wired up for 120v with some auxiliary wiring for a small solar rig to run emergency LED lighting, radio etc. Also LP heat, water heater, stove, with a wood stove for a backup/secondary heat source.

I'd have a small machine shop with some woodworking equipment and a few metalworking tools (everyone has to have a useful hobby!), and probably a diesel back up generator to run the house and shop, and a hit and miss engine with a wood gasifier added on should things go badly. Any machinery that can be run off of a pulley system would work off of that, also a water pump and log splitter could run as well. I'd also have a small tractor like a Ford 8N with loader for plowing, tilling, gathering wood, etc.

With a well stocked pantry and survival supplies, you could live in a place like that pretty much indefinitely should something happen where the power goes out for an extended period of time. There is nothing wrong with being self sustainable, in fact, it should be encouraged. You shouldn't be dependent on anyone else to supply you with the basic needs in life, and there is no reason to say you have to be uncomfortable if you do go off the grid.
 
2012-05-06 09:16:17 PM  

Kaiku: A lot of hate in this thread that I think may stem partly from subconscious jealousy. These people are free in a way few people anymore can comprehend.


I for one enjoy not being free of access to modern medical care.
 
2012-05-06 09:18:10 PM  
a few of my friends live of the grid, i always read their facebook updates to keep up to date with their exciting lives.
 
2012-05-06 09:21:00 PM  
This seems appropriate.

NSFWish

mmm... SOUP!
 
2012-05-06 09:21:24 PM  

kelleygreen: /yes, well aware I sould like a total redneck now.


Sound like one of my good neighbors.
 
2012-05-06 09:24:12 PM  
Man, these pics look great on my iPad. Hold on, gotta get a cold beer from the fridge and take a quick dump n my climate controlled toilet.
 
2012-05-06 09:26:05 PM  

morgantx: Any time I see something like this, you know what I always find missing?

BABIES!

Seriously, if I'm not on birth control, I'll get pregnant usually within 2-3 months. If I have a baby, I can start ovulating again after about 6 months (and that's assuming exclusive breastfeeding and LAM). And yet I see these pictures, and there's only one or two babies any time you see this sort of thing, with LOTS more women of child-bearing age. So that tells me that there's at least ONE modern convenience that these hippies are refusing to do without: birth control.

It's not really an accurate experiment, political statement, or whatever weird type of social protest if you're saying, "We're going to live like primitive people!" while not BREEDING like primitive people.


And if they WERE breeding, you'd hate on them for that. You and all the other haters are right: Let's all live JUST LIKE YOU and everything will be perfect.

hatersgonnahate.jpg
 
2012-05-06 09:35:19 PM  

bim1154: here to help: A little context would have been nice.

or am I being foiled by NoScript again (which I am okay with)?

Would have liked to seen more than just images. At least a couple paragraphs of something.



It's greedy bastards like you that got us into this environmental mess. One picture == 1,000 words, there are about 15 pictures there that's 15,000 words. And all you want is more, more, more. Gluttony is a sin, so sayeth Jesus.
 
2012-05-06 09:40:52 PM  

JVD: There is nothing wrong with being self sustainable, in fact, it should be encouraged. You shouldn't be dependent on anyone else to supply you with the basic needs in life, and there is no reason to say you have to be uncomfortable if you do go off the grid.


I'm all for being sustainable, I'm just not sure I really want to be independently sustainable. I really like urban living, and that's actually about as easy to do sustainably as rural living. Plus, when we're working together and relying on each other we're better at doing the type of big, complex projects I find the most interesting!

// Your hypothetical place does sound awesome, though, and perfect for a lot of people. It'd be my first choice if I wasn't going to live in a city.
 
2012-05-06 09:46:31 PM  
What living off the off the grid really looks like. (Same site)
 
2012-05-06 09:48:52 PM  

kmmontandon: They look like serious posers.

Also, living "off the grid" is all find and dandy until you need an insulin shot, or get a compound fracture.


Or dysentery, Lyme disease, malaria, snakebit, frostbite, mauled by a bear, gored by a rutting deer, poison oak, ivy or sumac, eat the wrong mushroom, eat the right mushroom, get gangrene from a little scratch.

Nature is brutal, sadistic, and unforgiving, that's why God gave us opposable thumbs.
 
2012-05-06 09:52:31 PM  

Kaiku: A lot of hate in this thread that I think may stem partly from subconscious jealousy. These people are free in a way few people anymore can comprehend.


freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose.
Very, very true.
I'm almost free myself.
 
2012-05-06 09:53:15 PM  

morgantx: Any time I see something like this, you know what I always find missing?

BABIES!

Seriously, if I'm not on birth control, I'll get pregnant usually within 2-3 months. If I have a baby, I can start ovulating again after about 6 months (and that's assuming exclusive breastfeeding and LAM). And yet I see these pictures, and there's only one or two babies any time you see this sort of thing, with LOTS more women of child-bearing age. So that tells me that there's at least ONE modern convenience that these hippies are refusing to do without: birth control.

It's not really an accurate experiment, political statement, or whatever weird type of social protest if you're saying, "We're going to live like primitive people!" while not BREEDING like primitive people.


I can't imagine wanting to be pregnant in an unheated shack hours from a medical provider, even less to go into labor in such conditions.
 
2012-05-06 09:53:52 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Luckily, we have the men of the Night's Watch to protect us from the dirty hippies north of the Wall.


You owe me a keyboard. ; )
 
2012-05-06 09:53:54 PM  
The Earth could not handle everyone living like that. It's not really living light on the Earth. Even with the tiny (compared to today) population of the US before the 1800's they managed to practically deforest the east coast with axes and saws.
 
2012-05-06 09:56:50 PM  

The Jami Turman Fan Club: kmmontandon: They look like serious posers.

Also, living "off the grid" is all find and dandy until you need an insulin shot, or get a compound fracture.

This isn't true at all. Back in the good old days, people were amazingly healthy.
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Because when they got sick, they died. People living completely off the grid have the ultimate treatment for diabetes and compound fractures- it's called death.

That's the most awesome thing about the Paleo diet. The people who follow the diet (like Innuits) live good, productive, sickness free lives, and die on the average at 40. They don't have most of the problems that modern people do because they don't live long enough.

As long as you're willing to have a 25% chance of dying before the age of 1 and another 50% chance of dying before you're 25, you can get away with all sorts of things that modern people 'need'.


THIS

For many people who choose to live without modern conveniences, far from cities and doctors, it is not about how long they live, but how happily they live. In some cases, like that of Dick Proenneke, they can do both. Born in 1916, he lived alone in a cabin he built in the Alaskan wilderness from 1968-2000, when for health reasons (he was 84, and could no longer take care of himself) his son reluctantly moved him back to the city, where he died 3 years later.

Living long is not nearly as important to some people as it is to live happily. Many people are willing to trade major medical care for the freedom that living apart from society gives you. Psychologically speaking, there really isn't anything wrong with that. However, as was mentioned in an earlier post the case with this particular group is that they left society in order "to not be a part of problem anymore", which is a problematic rationale. While I have no doubts that everyone is better off with this group living where and how they are, I don't see that it will make them happier in the long run.
 
2012-05-06 09:58:54 PM  

Pharmdawg: kmmontandon: They look like serious posers.

Also, living "off the grid" is all find and dandy until you need an insulin shot, or get a compound fracture.

Or dysentery, Lyme disease, malaria, snakebit, frostbite, mauled by a bear, gored by a rutting deer, poison oak, ivy or sumac, eat the wrong mushroom, eat the right mushroom, get gangrene from a little scratch.

Nature is brutal, sadistic, and unforgiving, that's why God gave us opposable thumbs.


We've all become sissified, you might be surprised what you can do, and how much you can endure if necessary, or if you want to.

/self sabotage is fun
//I fear being stuck around people more
///just three days ago some shot each other 40 yards or so from window
////if you have a .22 and can't shoot don't pick a fight with someone with a big gun that can
 
2012-05-06 09:59:53 PM  

hitlersbrain: The Earth could not handle everyone living like that. It's not really living light on the Earth. Even with the tiny (compared to today) population of the US before the 1800's they managed to practically deforest the east coast with axes and saws.


There were millions of native people living there for centuries, and you didn't see them chopping everything down like mad.

It's the mentality which matters. The settlers saw the wilderness as something evil which had to be conquered, while native peoples respected and admired it.
 
2012-05-06 10:02:08 PM  

ShivaHVishnu: " This was the best answer I found: How many cows per acre? Subsistence living is just not possible for a large population. But it might be fun for a little while, if you can afford it.


Perhaps. I can tell you that subsistence living is, in fact, possible, for those who live it.
 
2012-05-06 10:02:24 PM  
LinkThis thread amuses me.

If the grid ever actually goes down you'll hope you know one of those crazies, even the rich ones who paid $$$$ to go to that class, because we as a nation have forgotten how to do EVERYTHING.

Seriously, I made homemade bread the other day and my neighbor happened to come over and was amazed. At bread. BREAD.

Here's a friend of mine who is trying to live off grid in a yurt. Not my thing but hey, props for going his own way.
Link
 
2012-05-06 10:05:49 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: hitlersbrain: The Earth could not handle everyone living like that. It's not really living light on the Earth. Even with the tiny (compared to today) population of the US before the 1800's they managed to practically deforest the east coast with axes and saws.

There were millions of native people living there for centuries, and you didn't see them chopping everything down like mad.

It's the mentality which matters. The settlers saw the wilderness as something evil which had to be conquered, while native peoples respected and admired it.


IDK, the Easter Islanders did a pretty good job of deforesting their island without the help of settlers.
 
2012-05-06 10:05:52 PM  

J. Frank Parnell: hitlersbrain: The Earth could not handle everyone living like that. It's not really living light on the Earth. Even with the tiny (compared to today) population of the US before the 1800's they managed to practically deforest the east coast with axes and saws.

There were millions of native people living there for centuries, and you didn't see them chopping everything down like mad.

It's the mentality which matters. The settlers saw the wilderness as something evil which had to be conquered, while native peoples respected and admired it.


Again, tiny population. To go back to that miserable, short lived type of existence about 3 out of 4 people living today would have to die.

The native people would have done the same thing the settlers did if they'd had the technology. It was a crappy life. Probably made death easier to handle though.
 
2012-05-06 10:08:47 PM  

here to help: Hankie Fest: Fubini:
I'd still like to know what these people think they're accomplishing with their lives, other than existing.

THIS THIS THIS. What have they done to better the world, to help other people, to make a positive impact in society, to help future generations? Nothin'. They're just existing. Whooptie.

What have YOU done?

You're sitting on Fark deriding these people you don't even know on a Sunday night.

I highly doubt you have bettered humanity in any significant way based on that fact alone.

No offense but... c'mon.


Dear mister "here to help" You are in my favourites and you show up green. I almost remember why. You were reasonable and a nice guy.
You are turning into a judgmental douchebag.
Anyway, I hope it's just me being mean, and you haven't changed.
 
2012-05-06 10:10:04 PM  
Funny how even people who want to be "self sufficient" still have to receive the same round of predictable HATE that comes out with anyone who "goes against the grain" because some people CAN'T TAKE THE REALIZATION they are indoctrinated nobodies. "part of the problem" indeed. Don't be so quick to judge, know it alls.
 
2012-05-06 10:10:26 PM  

vudukungfu: kelleygreen: /yes, well aware I sould like a total redneck now.

Sound like one of my good neighbors.


Thanks, I think. :)

/Just saw my typo...sound not sould, dammit.
 
2012-05-06 10:13:15 PM  
Anyone else thing it's crap that the tack on the horses is obv modern?

I mean if you want to live Clan of the Cave Bear style, that seems like a pretty simple way to break the mood.
 
2012-05-06 10:19:06 PM  

chookbillion: Dear mister "here to help" You are in my favourites and you show up green. I almost remember why. You were reasonable and a nice guy.
You are turning into a judgmental douchebag.
Anyway, I hope it's just me being mean, and you haven't changed.


People call me a troll when that is not my intention.

Last night this happened... to the point it irked me a little.

In this thread... I believe what I have said but came in with my poking stick... intentionally.

If you're gonna get called a troll for what you believe... ya might as well give them a show... aye?

and ty for the green... I'm not a bad guy. Just a little wacky sometimes... lulz.

ymmv
 
2012-05-06 10:19:40 PM  

hitlersbrain: Again, tiny population. To go back to that miserable, short lived type of existence about 3 out of 4 people living today would have to die.


Incorrect. And there were vastly more Native People than settlers, although as time went on disease and warfare whittled them down to a more 'manageable' number.
 
2012-05-06 10:19:42 PM  
You know, just because you live "off the grid" doesn't mean you need to be dirty.

I lived in my van for 5 months on $20/month for food, but I still managed to catch a shower nearly every day and never let my clothes get filthy. I had this cool black bag that heated up water so I had a hot shower every day, and I had a bucket and rope to wash and dry my clothes. It's amazing how resourceful you can be when you actually try, instead of just acting like an uncivilized pig.

I will say this - the experience did give me a new appreciation for being unencumbered by things things like rent, electricity bills and "stuff." I could only keep with me what I could fit in my VW bus.

Looking back, I actually miss it, to be honest with you. I got a lot of writing done at that time, and a lot of thinking, in a Thoreau-ish sort of way. I'd do it again in a heartbeat. Unfortunately, I can't go back to that lifestyle - at least until my elderly parents give up that farking boat anchor of a house they own (and I have to take care of) and move to a condo in Florida. I'd also like to finish my master's degree and get a little income stream going.
 
2012-05-06 10:22:41 PM  
Gervase Markham wrote a book in the late 1500's called "The English Housewife."

In this book, Markham details the virtues and knowledge that any good woman should know should she wish to be a successful wife.

In addition to the cooking, baking, brewing, spinning, and weaving information in the book, there is also an extensive section on home medicine. It makes perfect sense; since they didn't really have "doctors" in the middle ages the way we do now, it fell on the housewife to be the physician when people were sick.

One of the ailments for which there is a listed home remedy is something called "the falling of the fundament." A bit of research reveals that the "fundament" is what today call the "rectum."

So then, "the falling of the fundament" is a rectal prolapse.

That's right. In Elizabethan England, the rectal prolapse was a sufficiently common problem that it was relegated to home treatment. You wouldn't seek an expert - just tie it back into place and that's that. And it was common enough that any given housewife was expected to know how to treat it, and treat it when it happened.

Imagine going home after a hard day at work and having your SO say to you, "Honey, my asshole fell out again. Can you put it back?"

No, I don't buy the whole "people were stronger/healthier without all this new technology!" Or "we lived for thousands of years without this!" Or "they used to have stronger immune systems because they didn't rely on drugs!"

No, "way back when" people's assholes fell out, and we died when we were 40. The species survived because having 8 - 10 kids in a family was common.
 
2012-05-06 10:24:03 PM  

Hankie Fest: here to help:

What have YOU done?

You're sitting on Fark deriding these people you don't even know on a Sunday night.

I highly doubt you have bettered humanity in any significant way based on that fact alone.

No offense but... c'mon.

I work at a homeless shelter all day on Mondays.
During the week, I gather food and clothes for other non-profits that redistribute them to the poor.
I've worked in Joplin after the Tornado, held the hands of dying people (when their families wouldn't) while working as a chaplain, and organized benefits for people who can't get to Mayo Clinic for treatment.

Seriously, I could go on, but that's not the point of doing what we're supposed to be doing, is it?

"No offense," but because I'm on Fark on a Sunday night doesn't mean I don't do anything to benefit other people. Your logichas serious flaws.


Meh, I call bullshiat.
 
2012-05-06 10:26:52 PM  
Living off the grid on a remote Scottish island does have its advantages and seriously twisted disadvantages

users.telenet.be

jamesbond007.net
 
2012-05-06 10:26:59 PM  
A buddy of mine worked at a camp for similar types of trust fund kids. All was well until a bat flew into one of the angel's tents one night. The kid called his parents and the camp was shut down for the rest of the summer the next day.

Funny how they paid for their kid to have the "natural experience" and they freaked the fark out when nature showed up.
 
2012-05-06 10:28:55 PM  

optikeye: Nadie_AZ: How long is the class?
I took a 7 day class with Cody Lundin and traipsed across the desert with just about only the clothing on my back (plus water bottles, blanket, knife). We didn't need any of what you've listed. It was ... very educational and a wake up call to what we really need and what is really important.

I love a comfy bed inside of a good home. I love clean water and sewers/toilets. These were things I appreciate +1000% more than I did before.

Here's a link to the website: Link

I like the pics of the older people. But ones of the younger folks are people paying for a class, not actually living off the grid. They're paying primitive campers for a week or so.
I especially find it ironic that the website mentioned big goal was a year long "project" that lists these as site requirements.

Our ideal land requirements (in order of importance) would include:
* Large wild tract of private land near mountainous wilderness
* Spacious private camping area for 10-20 participants
* Surface water (river, creek, lake, springs)
* Timbered land (with plenty of available camp fire wood)
* Meadow or pasture (For horses and/or other domestic animals.)
* Close access to public land and trails
* Structure for working in during bad weather
* Phone or internet access (or short drive to town for communication and re-supply.)
* Well and septic system


Holy farking crap, who the hell do they think they are? That list of demands (and that is what they are) is complete BS! Who wouldn't like to have one or two of those when out camping?
 
2012-05-06 10:30:54 PM  
Can't wait to see what happens when one gets an infection.
 
2012-05-06 10:32:07 PM  
No hot chics.
 
2012-05-06 10:32:49 PM  

Tanthalas39: Meh, I call bullshiat.


I didn't want to make assumptions but it did smell a little male bovine poopy.
 
2012-05-06 10:36:50 PM  

pippi longstocking: Can't wait to see what happens when one gets an infection.


If they needed modern medical attention an off the grid person might seek it out. If they had the means to pay for it what difference does it make?

If they couldn't pay would you turn them away?
 
2012-05-06 10:39:57 PM  

here to help: chookbillion: Dear mister "here to help" You are in my favourites and you show up green. I almost remember why. You were reasonable and a nice guy.
You are turning into a judgmental douchebag.
Anyway, I hope it's just me being mean, and you haven't changed.

People call me a troll when that is not my intention.

Last night this happened... to the point it irked me a little.

In this thread... I believe what I have said but came in with my poking stick... intentionally.

If you're gonna get called a troll for what you believe... ya might as well give them a show... aye?

and ty for the green... I'm not a bad guy. Just a little wacky sometimes... lulz.

ymmv


I think it might be a little me and a little you, combined, tonight.
I will keep you green.
Actually, when I came back and read what I wrote I was somewhat ashamed of myself.
I was not calling you a troll.
But I still think you were a little dicky. But, so was I.
Peace? And let's not be dicks?
 
2012-05-06 10:40:46 PM  
g-ecx.images-amazon.com

Nearly every one of those pictures reminded me of this movie.
 
2012-05-06 10:41:34 PM  

radarlove: I admire these people intensely, and pity those who deride their lifestyle.

Someday soon it'll be you living that way, whether you like it or not.


Mmmm right.
 
2012-05-06 10:42:02 PM  

chookbillion: Peace? And let's not be dicks?


I got no beef. I'd rather we just be what we are and are what we be's.

yanno?

;-)
 
2012-05-06 10:44:35 PM  
oops... I just accidentally imitated indubitably.

I ain't idubitabobbly...

but he ai'ght.
 
2012-05-06 10:53:07 PM  

T-Boy: All fun and games until the two chicks get knocked up by the three guys and the guys want the chicks to take care of the babies in an unseated shack. That's when things get complicated. Two winters max in the shack with a newborn and then she goes off to teach acting in Boston.


A++++++++
 
2012-05-06 10:54:49 PM  

here to help: Tanthalas39: Meh, I call bullshiat.

I didn't want to make assumptions but it did smell a little male bovine poopy.


The last straw for me was the former-male-model wanna-be with feathers stuck in his head. Poses were beautiful. Right out of an LLBean catalog.

thanks subby but pretty pictures/portraits aside, nauseating.
 
2012-05-06 10:55:01 PM  

phrawgh: What living off the off the grid really looks like. (Same site)


Amazing pics.
 
2012-05-06 11:00:29 PM  

optikeye: The young people in the 'clan of the cave bears' dearskin are students in a 'wilderness class'...who pay 600 bucks a week to the instructor to dress-up and learn skills.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/contact.html

Basically a summer camp for Hippies.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/2012-schedule.html

Here's a list of things you need to bring to $1000 immersion camp:


* MINIMUM 6 LARGE BRAIN TANNED DEER HIDES (OR BUCKSKIN CLOTHES)
* STONE AGE TOOL KIT INCLUDING; FIRE KIT, BONE AWL, STONE KNIFE
* PACK BASKET
* 5LBS DRIED WILD PLANT FOODS
* 5LBS DRIED WILD MEAT OR FISH
* 1LB RENDERED FAT
* WATER CONTAINER
* GATHERING BASKET
* EATING BOWL AND UTENSILS
* RAWHIDE OR BUCKSKIN FOOD CONTAINERS.
* SELF BOW AND ARROWS (OPTIONAL)
* BRING A RAW/DRY SALTED WINTER KILL COW BUFFALO HIDE OR 10LBS OF GOOD FELTING SHEEP WOOL FOR THE BEDDING CLASS.


Shoot, Fella, Good Time in Vegas, That Kind of Stuff, Yadda Yadda Yadda,,,,
 
2012-05-06 11:01:53 PM  

RibbyK: Okay, am I the only one who thought the bare-legged chick on the horse was hot?
/Sure, she was a bit scruffy-looking, but after ten minutes in a hot tub...


Nadie_AZ: RibbyK: Okay, am I the only one who thought the bare-legged chick on the horse was hot?
/Sure, she was a bit scruffy-looking, but after ten minutes in a hot tub...

You were not.

Women in the back country ... yeah.


I think you two just got trapped.

/I'd probably still do him regardless.
 
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