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2012-05-06 07:53:02 PM

WTF Indeed: So a loner, a crazy family, and some kind of MMMFF orgy thing.


A penta-bang?
 
2012-05-06 07:54:44 PM
I always interpreted "off the grid" to mean "living in such a way that you don't need to use city utilities." With the right use of solar or wind power, composting toilet, plus rain barrels or well water you could conceivably do that in the suburbs.

I really don't get the hate for people who try to be more self-sufficient. It's not always about saving the earth or whatever--I'm sure the earth is doing just fine, though we can make it a lot more pleasant or humans to live in. I keep chickens, raise a huge vegetable garden, ride a bike when I can and try to use as little power and tap water as possible because I'm broke and it saves me a metric butt-ton of money. No one is threatened by my choice or theirs, so simmer the fark down.
 
ecl
2012-05-06 07:55:29 PM

here to help: ecl: Your points are nonsensical and my touchpad sucks.

How so? DON'T TREAT ME LIKE A RANDOM CLOUD!!

I'M A HUMAN BEING, DAMMIT!!!!

also... you still get a preview option on your device. You can't blame your touchpad.


You don't have to preview before posting... Now maybe you can admit that being on Fark on sunday has nothing to do with how you live your life. Or you can Hurr Durr some more.


/waits for nonsensical reply.
 
2012-05-06 07:55:45 PM

bojon: I see models, digital cameras, modern tack, store bought arrows and suprisingly good complexions along with a fiberglass canoe.


Living off the grid doesn't mean going back to the Stone Age. They're not all Luddites.

radarlove: Someday soon it'll be you living that way, whether you like it or not.


I'm going to spend this million dollars someday whether I like it or not, so I may as well become a hobo now.
 
2012-05-06 07:56:50 PM

swahnhennessy: bojon: I see models, digital cameras, modern tack, store bought arrows and suprisingly good complexions along with a fiberglass canoe.

Living off the grid doesn't mean going back to the Stone Age. They're not all Luddites.

radarlove: Someday soon it'll be you living that way, whether you like it or not.

I'm going to spend this million dollars someday whether I like it or not, so I may as well become a hobo now.


So "living off the grid" is basically long-term camping?
 
2012-05-06 07:57:04 PM
If they're living off the grid, shouldn't they be paying taxes to support the grid? It unfair to use something and not pay for it.

/ living off welfare
 
2012-05-06 07:58:30 PM
Any time I see something like this, you know what I always find missing?

BABIES!

Seriously, if I'm not on birth control, I'll get pregnant usually within 2-3 months. If I have a baby, I can start ovulating again after about 6 months (and that's assuming exclusive breastfeeding and LAM). And yet I see these pictures, and there's only one or two babies any time you see this sort of thing, with LOTS more women of child-bearing age. So that tells me that there's at least ONE modern convenience that these hippies are refusing to do without: birth control.

It's not really an accurate experiment, political statement, or whatever weird type of social protest if you're saying, "We're going to live like primitive people!" while not BREEDING like primitive people.
 
2012-05-06 07:58:51 PM

yanoosh: That's my retirement, already self sufficient, get me a cabin ala Dick Proeneke and I will be in heavan


Proenneke was a great woodsman. I've heard he was also a jackass to his family and had no friends. But boy could he hook himself up pretty well with just a few pieces of forged iron.
 
2012-05-06 08:01:25 PM

DeltaPunch: That, and deep down we all know those hippy chicks must absolute banshees in the sack. Or the straw. Or the dirt. Or wherever they do their shagging.


Oh, they are. Trust me on this one.

I'd even go so far as to say they are probably better than crazy, without having to deal with, well... sticking your dick in crazy.

I wouldn't go quite that far. There are different levels/kinds of crazy... there's WTF-is-your-problem crazy, and then there's bunny boiler crazy. Hardcore hippie chicks probably will make you question your own sanity after a while, but you generally don't have to worry about them burning your house down or getting all stabbity.
 
2012-05-06 08:02:35 PM
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2012-05-06 08:03:06 PM

FormlessOne: As an aside, the average SCA member probably spends more time "off the grid" than the gang of chuckleheads in costume on that site.


THIS.

/ex-SCAdian
 
2012-05-06 08:03:28 PM

morgantx: Any time I see something like this, you know what I always find missing?

BABIES!

Seriously, if I'm not on birth control, I'll get pregnant usually within 2-3 months. If I have a baby, I can start ovulating again after about 6 months (and that's assuming exclusive breastfeeding and LAM). And yet I see these pictures, and there's only one or two babies any time you see this sort of thing, with LOTS more women of child-bearing age. So that tells me that there's at least ONE modern convenience that these hippies are refusing to do without: birth control.

It's not really an accurate experiment, political statement, or whatever weird type of social protest if you're saying, "We're going to live like primitive people!" while not BREEDING like primitive people.




Not if all you do is give blowjobs.
 
2012-05-06 08:03:56 PM
A few of those chicks would clean up quite nicely.
 
2012-05-06 08:04:30 PM

FormlessOne: Depressing. You want "off the grid," just go to the Appalachians - there's a reason students did research for "Foxfire" up there.

You don't stare at posers.


oooh, I love those books! My grandmother lived in southeastern Kentucky, and she gave me three of the Foxfire books. It's really cool to see how people used to live.
 
2012-05-06 08:04:42 PM

ecl: You don't have to preview before posting... Now maybe you can admit that being on Fark on sunday has nothing to do with how you live your life. Or you can Hurr Durr some more.


/waits for nonsensical reply.


So essentially you got nothing to say.

Noted.
 
2012-05-06 08:05:59 PM

Ima4nic8or: A few of those chicks would clean up quite nicely.


Can't clean crazy or stupid, bro.
 
2012-05-06 08:06:13 PM
Well yeah. Off the grid and not healthy means you're not living very long.

morgantx: It's not really an accurate experiment, political statement, or whatever weird type of social protest if you're saying, "We're going to live like primitive people!" while not BREEDING like primitive people.


And I'm glad they aren't. No need to subject a child to this.
 
2012-05-06 08:06:41 PM

optikeye: The young people in the 'clan of the cave bears' dearskin are students in a 'wilderness class'...who pay 600 bucks a week to the instructor to dress-up and learn skills.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/contact.html

Basically a summer camp for Hippies.
http://www.lynxvilden.com/p/2012-schedule.html

Here's a list of things you need to bring to $1000 immersion camp:


* MINIMUM 6 LARGE BRAIN TANNED DEER HIDES (OR BUCKSKIN CLOTHES)
* STONE AGE TOOL KIT INCLUDING; FIRE KIT, BONE AWL, STONE KNIFE
* PACK BASKET
* 5LBS DRIED WILD PLANT FOODS
* 5LBS DRIED WILD MEAT OR FISH
* 1LB RENDERED FAT
* WATER CONTAINER
* GATHERING BASKET
* EATING BOWL AND UTENSILS
* RAWHIDE OR BUCKSKIN FOOD CONTAINERS.
* SELF BOW AND ARROWS (OPTIONAL)
* BRING A RAW/DRY SALTED WINTER KILL COW BUFFALO HIDE OR 10LBS OF GOOD FELTING SHEEP WOOL FOR THE BEDDING CLASS.


Where in fark's green earth am I going to find 6 brain tanned deer hides.

/Look's like fun, but I'd also like to try tall ship sailing.
 
2012-05-06 08:08:18 PM

r1chard3:

Where in fark's green earth am I going to find 6 brain tanned deer hides.

/Look's like fun, but I'd also like to try tall ship sailing.


Link
 
2012-05-06 08:09:16 PM

brap: Rik01: Making your own soap and candles from 'natural' stuff like meat tallow and fats, which you have to first catch and render, is a real biatch also. (Most herbal soap makers today buy their basic soap ingredients and combine them to sell you 'natural, hand made soap'.)

Apparently soapmaking was such a biatch that they couldn't be bothered with it.


I find that there's nothing natural about 'natural hand made soap'

Birch leaf contains saponin. If you had a waterproof bag and had means to boil water, stick the leaves in the bag and fill with warm water, then give it a good shake. the froth is saponin. It's not great but it does help when you're out deep in the woods for weeks on end.

That is one way to make soap.

Another way is to add ash from your fire into your greasy pan and then add some water.

We give kayaking tours in a national forest (which lasts about a week) and no 'manmade' chemicals are allowed within its borders, this includes soaps, detergents, shampoos etc (huge massive fines if you're caught. Around £1000 for each infraction).

After paddling for 10 miles each day through a thick maze of fallen trees (uprooted trees litter the entire river, over 100 at the last count) and then lugging a kayak with all your equipment over said trees (in hot weather), one might get rather sweaty and stinky at the end of the day (this really doesn't appeal to the ladies). Outdoors soap is not the best in the world but it helps a bit.

/Not a Hippy
 
2012-05-06 08:10:16 PM
I noticed no shortage of firearms. I guess "off the grid" doesn't necessarily mean "hippy".
 
2012-05-06 08:14:26 PM

lordargent:
I know what these pictures don't show ...

// black people

// or even brown people

// when I live off the land, I do it for fun, over very short periods of time. I am too fond of the modern marvels of science to do otherwise (I'm a programmer damnit, could you imagine me going computer free for a month? Not gonna happen).


Tell me about it. Kajillions of them living "off the grid" in Africa, South America, even reservations in the US. Who's asking to live like that, exactly?

In cushy-cushy California, "off the grid" just means you've had your solar goodies installed & are immune to rolling brownouts.
 
2012-05-06 08:14:29 PM

Silly_Sot: I noticed no shortage of firearms. I guess "off the grid" doesn't necessarily mean "hippy".


You'll find that rather than living on a two-dimensional plane of ideology, it's more like a sphere.. the farther you go from the center, the closer you get to the opposite side of crazy.

Think Hitler and Stalin... starting from the center, one went right and one went left. They both ended up in the same crazy place.

The same type of thing is true with hippies and teatards. The farther they go in their respective directions, the closer they get to living in caves and blowing bears for salmon.
 
2012-05-06 08:17:53 PM
weapon13:

That sounds awesome. I'm not the outdoorsiest guy in the world but I like getting out their and immersing myself in it in dribs and drabs now and then.
 
2012-05-06 08:18:17 PM

swahnhennessy: Living off the grid doesn't mean going back to the Stone Age. They're not all Luddites.


Stone age culture was a lot more specialized and interconnected than people realize. There were trade networks spanning continents, and a fair number of specialized professions.

Good tool-making flint is actually pretty scarce; unworked flint nodules have been found thousands of miles from where they were quarried. Cutting up a dead animal is surprisingly difficult (without wasting a crapload of meat), butcher is likely the oldest skilled trade still in use. There's evidence of other

The transition to the bronze age is impossible without a trade network, because there are only one or two places in the world where tin and copper can be mined in close proximity to one another.
 
2012-05-06 08:18:55 PM

Cubansaltyballs: Not if all you do is give blowjobs.


Don't forget buttsecks.
 
2012-05-06 08:20:29 PM
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2012-05-06 08:20:50 PM

Silly_Sot: I noticed no shortage of firearms. I guess "off the grid" doesn't necessarily mean "hippy".


Gun toting liberals run counter to stereotype, but there are plenty of us.
 
2012-05-06 08:20:59 PM

clyph: FormlessOne: As an aside, the average SCA member probably spends more time "off the grid" than the gang of chuckleheads in costume on that site.

THIS.

/ex-SCAdian


yeah but the SCAdian and the hipster both have about the same levels of pretentious contempt for modern day technologies while taking advantage of said technologies every chance they get.
 
2012-05-06 08:21:13 PM

FormlessOne: Depressing. You want "off the grid," just go to the Appalachians - there's a reason students did research for "Foxfire" up there.

You don't stare at posers.


This is true. I happen to live in the area. This is a way of life for a lot of people because they have never changed things. There are random 'homes' that are back in deep hollers that don't have plumbiing, etc.
Of course we have electricity, phone (though no cell service out here), etc. Our water comes from a spring (run via pipes into the house of course) and we have plumbing and all the stuff we should (obviously, as I'm on the internet, albeit dial up). Between yesterday and today we planted over a half acre of the garden, cut down, sawed up split and stacked a 75 ft black walnut tree that will be seasoned to burn this winter. But we have jobs and we drive to town to go to them (40 miles each way for both of us. He makes decent money, I make minimum wage.

I can see how people would see it as depressing, if they were from somewhere else and came here to our county. They would see beautiful mountains, rivers, trails, etc. But they would leave and think how do those people live there?? We have 4000 (about) people in our county. It's split by the mountain, the people on the other side are the rich folks who live around The Homestead. But most everyone that lives here lives on the same land/house that their parents/grandparents did. Anyone who doesn't, doesn't stay.

I do see a lot of folks, ourselves included, trying to get further off the grid. Our garden for instance. Our hunting/fishing/canning/preserving. Our spring well. Our own wood we cut for heat in the winter so that we do not have to buy oil for the furnace. Anything that I can reasonably do to not have to buy something at a store, etc.I do it because I don't have the money to spend, other people do it because they want to leave less behind. I see some of the people that can afford it have gotten solar panels. But the true off the grid folks around here are down in the ten two and four hollers in their camps and you never see them. But they are there. It's just a different way of life, and the people in the article paying to go to the 'camp' are ridiculous.

/IMHO
 
2012-05-06 08:23:05 PM

clyph: Cubansaltyballs: Not if all you do is give blowjobs.

Don't forget buttsecks.


Oops. Forgot handjobs too.
 
2012-05-06 08:28:53 PM

weapon13: Another way is to add ash from your fire into your greasy pan and then add some water.

We give kayaking tours in a national forest (which lasts about a week) and no 'manmade' chemicals are allowed within its borders, this includes soaps, detergents, shampoos etc (huge massive fines if you're caught. Around £1000 for each infraction).



LOL. Modern biodegradable detergents are "bad" but raw lye soap is "good". Typical ill-informed ecotard wishful thinking.

Guess what you get when you filter water through hardwood ash? Potassium Hydroxide. Even without concentrating it you can get a strong enough solution to literally melt flesh.
 
2012-05-06 08:30:21 PM

clyph: LOL. Modern biodegradable detergents are "bad" but raw lye soap is "good". Typical ill-informed ecotard wishful thinking.

Guess what you get when you filter water through hardwood ash? Potassium Hydroxide. Even without concentrating it you can get a strong enough solution to literally melt flesh.



But it's organic!!! Not like that horrible Potassium Hydroxide made in factories!!
 
2012-05-06 08:30:34 PM

Weaver95: yeah but the SCAdian and the hipster both have about the same levels of pretentious contempt for modern day technologies while taking advantage of said technologies every chance they get.


"pretentious" isn't a word I'd use for (most) SCAdians. They're just doing it for fun, and are more than happy to get home to their electricity and indoor plumbing after an event.
 
2012-05-06 08:30:42 PM

radarlove: Someday soon it'll be you living that way, whether you like it or not.


*shudder*

I hope not. I've become quite accustomed to cable internet, refrigeration , driving, etc.

/ CSB: Was briefly exposed to this sort of lifestyle back in the 70's (boomer parents)
// don't care to revisit any of it....
 
2012-05-06 08:35:14 PM

ultraholland: Fubini: Pic 1) The crazy guy from The Village

first motherfarking thought


I think maybe it's the Woodsman trolling the Big Bad Wolf.
 
2012-05-06 08:35:40 PM
They also look bored as hell.
 
2012-05-06 08:36:58 PM

kelleygreen: awed up split and stacked a 75 ft black walnut tree that will be seasoned to burn this winter.


*choke*
/Subby.
///Uhm... that's really nice wood, I do hope it was sufficiently useless for furniture.
 
2012-05-06 08:37:10 PM

Vermicious Knids: I always interpreted "off the grid" to mean "living in such a way that you don't need to use city utilities." With the right use of solar or wind power, composting toilet, plus rain barrels or well water you could conceivably do that in the suburbs.

I really don't get the hate for people who try to be more self-sufficient. It's not always about saving the earth or whatever--I'm sure the earth is doing just fine, though we can make it a lot more pleasant or humans to live in. I keep chickens, raise a huge vegetable garden, ride a bike when I can and try to use as little power and tap water as possible because I'm broke and it saves me a metric butt-ton of money. No one is threatened by my choice or theirs, so simmer the fark down.


This.

Well, that's how I started. Still going because, dammit, growing my own food is awesome. And paying for water to water the freakin' ground is stupid, so rain barrels it is. And we have food scraps, so might as well compost them and buy less or no fertilizer. And buying decent fresh fish is expensive, but I've already got the gear, worms in the ground, and a annual license is all of $15. And so on and so on.

If I help the earth, that's a cool side benefit. Not the be all end all.



I do really, really, really hate trustafarians, though.
 
2012-05-06 08:39:33 PM
Just bought Solar Electricity Handbook, 2012 Edition and Photovoltaics Design and Installation Manual, so getting a kick...

The grid WILL fail - "smart" meters, besides shooting radiation through you hundreds of times a day, and having a switching mode power supply that creates a strong electromagnetic field around your home's wires that can up your cancer chances thirteen times more than average, are totally hackable:

David Chalk video: Link

For options on how to get rid of a "smart" meter, check out www.refusesmartmeters.com:Link.
 
2012-05-06 08:40:57 PM

clyph: Weaver95: yeah but the SCAdian and the hipster both have about the same levels of pretentious contempt for modern day technologies while taking advantage of said technologies every chance they get.

"pretentious" isn't a word I'd use for (most) SCAdians. They're just doing it for fun, and are more than happy to get home to their electricity and indoor plumbing after an event.


you've trying to tell me that you've NEVER met an arrogant Pelican and/or Herald?
 
2012-05-06 08:47:17 PM
Lehman's in Kidron, Ohio has got the most bewildering assortment of off-the-grid, sort-of-off-the-grid, looks-like-off-the-grid-but-isn't, and way-the-hell-off-the-grid supplies I've ever seen in one place. You get tourists, Amish, and people coming in from damned if I know where.

I never saw so many scythes.

Go in the late afternoon when the local fire department's chicken barbecue is getting started.
 
2012-05-06 08:48:57 PM
I just want a weekend cabin and a small "smack dab in the middle of the grid" apartment.
 
2012-05-06 08:50:17 PM

brap: weapon13:

That sounds awesome. I'm not the outdoorsiest guy in the world but I like getting out their and immersing myself in it in dribs and drabs now and then.


We've been doing that professionally for the last 5 years but did it for a hobby for 5 years before that.

clyph: weapon13: Another way is to add ash from your fire into your greasy pan and then add some water.

We give kayaking tours in a national forest (which lasts about a week) and no 'manmade' chemicals are allowed within its borders, this includes soaps, detergents, shampoos etc (huge massive fines if you're caught. Around £1000 for each infraction).


LOL. Modern biodegradable detergents are "bad" but raw lye soap is "good". Typical ill-informed ecotard wishful thinking.

Guess what you get when you filter water through hardwood ash? Potassium Hydroxide. Even without concentrating it you can get a strong enough solution to literally melt flesh.


Dude or Babe, don't you know that I know all that. That's one of the first things I thought of when they told our company that stupid rule.

Hell, there's organic material in there to make an explosive or even something that's strong enough to desolve bones. I think their rule is utter bullshiat and we've told them that, I'm not the one ill informed. That's one of the rules of the Park, not ours. (It does smell like it could also be an easy money grab, just like the war on drugs.)

We were told if we didn't like the rules, then we can go and get a contract someplace else.
 
2012-05-06 08:50:53 PM

Weaver95: you've trying to tell me that you've NEVER met an arrogant Pelican and/or Herald?


That's why I said *most*. There's the Society for Compulsive Authenticity and then there's the Society for Costumed Alcoholics.

But even the most hardcore SCAdians I know aren't advocating medievalism as a lifestyle. Even the most hardcore authenticity nazis I've met will machine sew their garb (at least where it doesn't show) if they're not entering it in an A&S competition.
 
2012-05-06 08:58:18 PM
"Our ideal land requirements (in order of importance) would include:
* Large wild tract of private land near mountainous wilderness
* Spacious private camping area for 10-20 participants
* Surface water (river, creek, lake, springs)
* Timbered land (with plenty of available camp fire wood)
* Meadow or pasture (For horses and/or other domestic animals.)
* Close access to public land and trails
* Structure for working in during bad weather
* Phone or internet access (or short drive to town for communication and re-supply.)
* Well and septic system"

This pretty accurately describes my place in Northern CA. With these exceptions: Accommodations for more than four people, running water, electricity. I can go on scenic hikes in the wilderness from the end of my driveway; it's about 30 miles in a straight line through wilderness to Carson Pass. Just the first 4 miles are on logging roads that are rarely used. You don't have to "get off the grid" to essentially live in wilderness. Find a job that doesn't require a five day a week commute, and move to a place that is 30 or 40 miles from the urban area where you earn your living. It isn't that hard, but like Rik01 said, "Not too many girls, I discovered, were interested in trekking out into the bush, fighting bugs, swinging an axe or helping rip the skin off a freshly killed animal." In my experience, that translates to being more that ten minutes from a store. Any store. Plus, living off the land requires a lot of it. You can only get so many deer tags a year. Certainly not enough to provide yourself with all the meat you might want to eat. And they're not free. Raising livestock also takes quit a bit of land. I tried to find out how much. This was the best answer I found: How many cows per acre? Subsistence living is just not possible for a large population. But it might be fun for a little while, if you can afford it.
 
2012-05-06 09:01:34 PM
"Subsistence living is just not possible for a large population"

This.
 
2012-05-06 09:02:19 PM

kmmontandon: They look like serious posers.

Also, living "off the grid" is all find and dandy until you need an insulin shot, or get a compound fracture.


Or need dental work.
 
2012-05-06 09:02:51 PM

vudukungfu: kelleygreen: awed up split and stacked a 75 ft black walnut tree that will be seasoned to burn this winter.

*choke*
/Subby.
///Uhm... that's really nice wood, I do hope it was sufficiently useless for furniture.


I don't really know, tbh. Though I did think about it. It was one of those ones that was on the bank close to the road and so it sort of leaned out towards the road and grew into two trees. I was looking at the stump and the thickest part that we cut, and it would not have been big enough for a solid peice nightstand...but if it had been milled, sure, it could have been your dresser or tv table. We have lots of those around though, and are well aware of their timber value. This one was too bushy once the leaves came in and hubby and his Dad said it was blocking the satellite. ( I shiat you not). Though it was screwing up...but once the tree was down the reception is still farked. I told them I'd call Dish tomorrow. LOL.

Though it was leaning out over the road and could have caused a serious accident had it fallen. They had me out there last night in the dark/rain/fog with a red lens on the spotlight stopping traffic because we were worried it would fall across the road.

/yes, well aware I sould like a total redneck now.
 
2012-05-06 09:09:27 PM

kmmontandon: They look like serious posers.

Also, living "off the grid" is all find and dandy until you need an insulin shot, or get a compound fracture.


Yeah, I was going to say wait until they get sick. What do they do if their horses get sick? All fine and dandy if you are young and lucky. Not people I would want to hang out with, though. I bet they are pretty self-righteous.
 
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