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2012-05-06 05:29:26 PM  
9 votes:
Marvel should wake up every day thanking the universe for the existence of Robert Downey Jr.
2012-05-06 05:36:21 PM  
6 votes:
Still disgusted that more people don't have the brains to see Cabin in the Woods.

Excellent movie.
2012-05-06 06:47:26 PM  
4 votes:
One of the many great things about the movie was the pacing. There was always something interesting happening or about to happen. And then we finally got a big, long action scene with the New York stuff at the end.

And what else was great... finally, NO LOVE STORY! If nothing else, I hope studio execs realize a movie can be successful with both genders without having to shoehorn in some lame-ass romance plot.
2012-05-06 06:08:29 PM  
4 votes:

DamnYankees: DonkeyDixon: MBK: Semi-SPOILERSSSSSSSS

The first transformation was due to pain. When Hulk senses that Banner is in pain, he comes out to not only protect Bruce, but to protect himself (no Banner, no Hulk). When this happens, Banner can't control the transformation. Hulk is in control.

Second transformation? Bruce reveals that he HAS control over the Hulk under normal circumstances. He can turn to Hulk at will. He's "always angry", meaning he can turn it on (but not so much turning it off).

End Semi-Spoilers

Is the first one canon? I like that explanation better, but after hearing the explanation for the 2nd I'd figured the first was just because he didn't trust anyone and was all pissed off. Figured it would've gone for smash, not kill, if left unchecked.

You're not wrong - it doesn't make sense. MBK's explanation is simply something made up to explain it - its fine to do that, but its a flaw in the film. There's no explanation given.


No, it's not "made up" and there is no flaw in this logic. As I said the last time this was brought up, the very last scene in The Incredible Hulk makes it very clear that Banner has learned to transform at will. The Avengers movie also makes it clear that pain/danger/stress will trigger the transformation against his will (he even says he ate a bullet and the "other guy" spat it out, to spell it out for the audience).

The only thing that didn't make sense was that he'd turn back to Banner after falling out of the sky and crashing through a building. If anything, that should have kept him hulked up.
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2012-05-06 05:45:22 PM  
4 votes:

flamingboar: I loved the movie but the Bruce Banner/hulk transformation confused me at one point.

/being vague to avoid spoilers.


Semi-SPOILERSSSSSSSS

The first transformation was due to pain. When Hulk senses that Banner is in pain, he comes out to not only protect Bruce, but to protect himself (no Banner, no Hulk). When this happens, Banner can't control the transformation. Hulk is in control.

Second transformation? Bruce reveals that he HAS control over the Hulk under normal circumstances. He can turn to Hulk at will. He's "always angry", meaning he can turn it on (but not so much turning it off).

End Semi-Spoilers
2012-05-06 09:25:48 PM  
3 votes:

Six_By_Nine: Smelly McUgly: Iron Man was great precisely because I think the writers realized that it would be hard to root for a superhero whose facial expressions are hidden by a mask, so they spent a large chunk of the movie developing Tony as a likable, if immature guy with all the suit-building and testing scenes.

I realize that I'm alone in this, but other than this, the thing that I liked was the Maddie-David "Moonlighting" type chemistry and banter that Tony and Pepper had.


Why are you alone on that? I thought everyone liked that.

It also helps that Gwyneth Paltrow has never, NEVER been as attractive as when she's Pepper Potts. For some reason she is absolutely smoking when she's that character, I have no idea why.
2012-05-06 07:04:04 PM  
3 votes:

MBK: You also see that Banner doesn't have full control over himself when he is under stress, he doesn't know what he is doing. He grabs the staff and doesn't realize it.


The way that scene was shot, I took it as the staff was exerting some influence over the attitudes of everyone in the room. This caused them all to argue with each other and subtly controlled Banner to take the staff.
2012-05-06 07:03:09 PM  
3 votes:

chuggernaught: if it's all the same to you, I'll take that drink now.


Tom Hiddleston farking OWNED the role of Loki. THAT is what I want to see in a supervillain with enough badassery to necessitate the formation of a supergroup.

"You MEWLING QUIM!"

/I said "Daaaaaamn!" aloud at that part
//possibly because I know what "quim" means
2012-05-06 05:23:12 PM  
3 votes:
We're seeing it again on Wednesday. Partially just to see Hulk respond to Loki in just the right way.
2012-05-07 12:11:17 PM  
2 votes:

Hebalo: Flint Ironstag: Hebalo: chaoswolf: UKCoolCat: 3) Kind of thought maybe that was it. Of course, it brings up the question: I thought the Hulk was pretty much uncontrollable. Cap't America didn't have any problems getting him to listen to orders at all. So they probably could have controlled him in the helocraft.

Here's my take on Hulk and it's been mentioned up thread:

When Banner chooses to let Hulk out, the goals and mindset of Banner are... imprinted (for lack of a better word) and guide Hulk's actions. When Hulk comes out due to stress or fear or pain, that's what he has to work with and it creates a far more volatile situation.

First transformation: high stress, "magical" influence, pain, confusion: Hulk rampages.
Second transformation: chosen target, chosen change, Hulk more calm and guided.

Yeah, great, i like it, but it wasn't made clear in the film. Should have been.

I thought it was made clear. Especially the effect the glowy stick had on everyone, Loki's plan discovered by BW, Banner picking up the stick without realising it, Stark talking to banner about him being able to control it, banner's "I'm always angry" comment etc.

Well, looking at all the confusion and need to explain, I'd go with "wasn't made clear (enough) in the film.


"All" the confusion? How many people saw the movie? How many were confused?
I'm sure there were people that didn't know who Hawkeye was, should they have explained that? Or how the helicarrier became invisible? Or how Loki's stick brainwashed people? Or how Thor's hammer works.

I hate films that spell out everything because they assumed we're too stupid to understand. I am intelligent enough to see the different circumstances of each time the Hulk turned and work out why he acted differently. I don't need a minute of lame exposition saying "so because blah blah blah...." to explain it to me. His behavior was totally consistent with his state of mind at the time he turned.
2012-05-06 07:54:35 PM  
2 votes:

fusillade762: Here's a pretty good article about the difference between the two:

Why "The Avengers" is the anti-"Dark Knight" (and that's a good thing)


The blogger Alyssa Rosenberg had a great post about this, and its interesting:

Christopher Nolan's Batman's movies have always had an element of monkish sacrifice to them: to be an impactful superhero, Bruce Wayne's had to surrender his true public image (in the first film, he acts the playboy to disguise his intentions), the love of his life and of the populace, and now, it's implied, either his life or his physical health. Bane's declaration that "your punishment must be more severe" is a looking-glass version of how Nolan's understood the only way for superheroes to make a difference, to self-abnegate, to foreswear their own happiness, to separate themselves from the people they are sacrificing themselves for.

The Marvel franchise, and The Avengers in particular (without spoiling anything), take the opposite tack. Its superheroes become better individuals more closely drawn to their communities for their experiences as superheroes. Tony Stark stops cackling over his power to kill and begins craving the approval of those around him, a selfish motivation that ultimately teaches him to engage with their needs. Thor falls in love with Jane Foster, and with Earth, a process of attachment that turns him from self-involved Asgardian prince into an admirable man. Captain America, in life and in death, gives the American people something to rally around, not to unify in their disgust at his perceived actions. The great tragedy of the Hulk has been that he's cut off from reason and attachment precisely at the moment that he could provide the greatest amount of strength to protect people or causes. These two movies are going to make serious bank for their studios. But taken together, they're also a vigorous argument about superheroism. That's an exciting debate to have, and I'm looking forward to it.
2012-05-06 06:55:18 PM  
2 votes:

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: MBK: (no Banner, no Hulk)

Except Dr. Banner himself contradicts that in the film by stating he put a bullet in his head when he was depressed and "the green guy spit it out".

I love hearing the fans get all crazy trying to explain something that has so many people going "wait...when did he learn to control it?"


Once again since you are slow. Hulk comes out on his own in response to great pain or mortal danger, like the first appearance in the film and the allusion to the suicide. However Banner can choose to release his rage and turn at will.

Hardly crazy or convoluted
2012-05-06 06:33:53 PM  
2 votes:
Can I also just say:

BLESS YOU JOSS WHEDON FOR NOT HAVING US SIT THROUGH 20 MINUTES OF ORIGIN STORY.

Honestly, if you're watching a Spider-Man movie and don't know how he got his powers, why are watching a Spider-Man movie?
2012-05-06 05:51:01 PM  
2 votes:

blackminded: "...flying monkeys."

"I got that! I got that reference!"

/subtly hilarious


For all the awesome action scenes, there was a lot of subtlety in Avengers that changed it from a great film into an excellent film. Every character had subtle yet important changes happen that showed character growth. Even if you hadn't seen any of the other movies, most of the characters (Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, and to some extent Thor) as so much a part of pop culture now that most people have a basis to go off of. And Joss built off that basis and had them grow. Definitely the best comic adaptation movie ever, IMO, and every bit a game changer for cinema as Star Wars was back in '77. For me, Avengers has replaced Star Wars as my favorite movie of all time, and I've been slightly obsessed with Star Wars since I saw it in the theater for it's initial run.

Yes, Joss Whedon is my master now...
2012-05-07 09:44:59 PM  
1 votes:

chewielouie: Here's one for you: How does Captain America's shield bounce off of people and ricochet off of objects? If Vibranium absorbs energy, shouldn't the shield just fall to the ground instead of bouncing off a hard surface?


The edge is made up of springanium.
2012-05-07 01:53:07 PM  
1 votes:
Again, let me clear something up.

Sony does Spider-man. 20th Century Fox does Fantastic Four and X-Men. If they wanted, Fox could do a crossover FF/X-Men movie. FF are NOT a Sony property.
2012-05-07 12:35:36 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Mad_Radhu: That's not really a valid complaint in a story that features two characters that the people of Scandinavia literally worshipped because of their godlike powers.

This is true, but it still has to be consistent with the story. Everyone was TERRIFIED of Banner because he was not able to control the Hulk. And we're supposed to believe that when that actually comes true, he actually was able to control it the whole time and the fact that he wasn't was merely because this particular time he was being manipulated?

Sorry, that's bad writing.

*sigh*

*SPOILERS*

They were terrified that he *wouldn't* be able to control the transformation. Not that he wasn't in control at all. Black Widow clearly says to Banner when she's recruiting him in Calcutta that he "hadn't had an incident in almost a year. Wouldn't want to break that streak...". This backs up the fact that he was, in fact, in control of the Hulk. Until Loki f**cked with his mind via the scepter.

The *only other time* we see Bruce Banner change into The Incredible Hulk, he does it on his own. Which backs up that not only was he in control, other than Loki messing with him, but his ability to transform on demand, because he's harnessed his anger.

Short, sweet, and to the point.

*END SPOILERS*

/Movie was awesome. I don't often recommend 3D or IMAX, but this would one of those times.
//Need to see it again(both because it was awesome, and I missed the post-post credit scene!
2012-05-07 11:51:07 AM  
1 votes:

ReverendLoki: /Summer Glau as Wasp?


Nope.

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2012-05-07 11:36:41 AM  
1 votes:

Browncoat: texdent: Browncoat: [www.writeups.org image 500x497]

I would jizz nonstop for days if they brought in this guy.

I don't think they could introduce Adam Warlock that easily and when introduced on screen, a majority of viewers, even some comic fans will be wondering 'who?'.

Actually, Adam Warlock is now part of The Guardians of the Galaxy, and Kevin Feige has been talking them up, hinting they be one of the 2014 Marvel movies.

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I want THIS Warlock, just for the "WTF is THAT?" factor.
2012-05-07 10:59:03 AM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: RoyFokker'sGhost: blackminded: "...flying monkeys."

"I got that! I got that reference!"

/subtly hilarious

For all the awesome action scenes, there was a lot of subtlety in Avengers that changed it from a great film into an excellent film. Every character had subtle yet important changes happen that showed character growth. Even if you hadn't seen any of the other movies, most of the characters (Iron Man, Cap, Hulk, and to some extent Thor) as so much a part of pop culture now that most people have a basis to go off of. And Joss built off that basis and had them grow. Definitely the best comic adaptation movie ever, IMO, and every bit a game changer for cinema as Star Wars was back in '77. For me, Avengers has replaced Star Wars as my favorite movie of all time, and I've been slightly obsessed with Star Wars since I saw it in the theater for it's initial run.

Yes, Joss Whedon is my master now...

Give credit to Zak Penn, too. He co-wrote the story.

And give credit to Jackson, Downey, and company, too. They showed that the right actors can make even the most outrageous idea work. I don't imagine this would have worked half as well if they had cast someone like Megan Fox as Black Widow and Tom Selleck as Tony Stark.




But not the script. Joss threw out Penn's script and wrote his from scratch. Some things, like Loki being the baddie, the cosmic cube etc had to be kept since Marvel had decided them and had already foreshadowed them in IM, CA, Thor etc.

Those elements are why Penn kept his "Story By" co-credit. "The story" has been generally accepted as fairly simple and weak. Its the execution that everyone is raving about, and that's all Whedon. Which is why he has sole "Written By" credit.
And you were certain he would fark it up. Instead he's smashed the record for the opening weekend and got an A+ cinemascore rating.
2012-05-07 10:22:25 AM  
1 votes:

meanmutton: So, I'm the only one left who hasn't seen it?


Yes. And that makes you less of a person.

Go sit in the basement in shame until you have participated in this piece of pop culture.
2012-05-07 09:36:48 AM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Carth: kronicfeld: Marvel should wake up every day thanking the universe for the existence of Robert Downey Jr.


Avengers is going to do way broader business than TDKR even without Imax and 3D. The theater today was loaded to the gills with kids as young as six or seven. You're not going to see parents taking young kids to the way darker TDKR.

Not sure I buy this - Iron Man and The Dark Knight came out within weeks of each other, a TDK had a much bigger box office than IM. I don't see why we can't apply the same logic here.


Because TDKR looks plodding, dull, and like more of the same navel-gazing we saw in TDK and BB, and a lot of us who paid to see the first two aren't really jazzed to spend $10 to see what looks like a carbon copy of TDK, but with a much less interesting villain.

See, there's the issue: TDK had The Joker being played by a guy who had just died prior to the film's release. People flocked to see Ledger's last performance as one of DC's most-loved characters.

TDKR has a poor-man's version of Bane, played by someone most people don't go out of their way to see.

TDK had big numbers because of that combination of The Joker and recently-dead Ledger. It won't get anywhere near Avengers, now.

On top of that, I think people have had enough of bleak, dark, gritty heroes. We're bored with Batman growling his lines. We're bored with villains who are more like terrorists than supervillains. We're bored with superheroes that mope.

Which is why Amazing Spider-Man will probably have a good opening weekend, and then word-of-mouth will kill it stone dead. Everyone will say "It's Spider-Man done like The Dark Knight Rises." and that will be enough.
2012-05-07 12:52:09 AM  
1 votes:

TheManofPA: One thing that got me though was the cards. Knowing they were a lie and knowing Nick Fury's love of just being an a-hole to get the job done, I thought that would mean that the individual involved would have some more scenes later on


What got ME about the cards is that Nick Fury went and covered a bunch of perfectly good collectors cards in blood just to get a rise out of his team. WHAT THE fark, MAN, THOSE ARE MINT!
2012-05-07 12:01:30 AM  
1 votes:
How does DC do what Marvel has?

Superman relaunch - At some point, Superman is stymied by something, and brings in Green Lantern to help him solve a problem using constructs.

Green Lantern 2 - with the bullshiat origin out of the way, we get a real super hero story. At some point, GL crashes from space back to earth, he lands on an all Greek island, and he flies off... only to reveal who was watching him - Wonder Woman.

Wonder Woman - She returns in New York. This is the origin story: Metropolis and Gotham are both mentioned, and eventually, goes to Gotham to track a criminal. She meets up with Bruce Wayne, who offers help.

Batman relaunch - Post Nolan, redone much like Hulk to fit into the integrated universe. Less dark then Nolan, not Schumocker. No Origin story here - we know it. In the Batcave we see a green stone- Kryptonite.

The Justice League - Introduced to the Martian Manhunter, he gathers the others.
2012-05-06 11:17:24 PM  
1 votes:

Cyno01: Bloody William: Mad_Radhu: To me, it seemed pretty clear that the staff was manipulating everyone's emotions in the room right before the attack made him change, making them increasingly angry at each other until they noticed Bruce was holding the staff. Banner was primed for an uncontrolled Hulk-out and was trying to pull back from the edge when Hawkeye's attack on the Helicarrier finally set him off. I'm guessing that if Banner isn't fully in control when the change comes, the resulting Hulk is much more dangerous and erratic.

There's a fine line between "show not tell" and "make the audience jump to conclusions." That scene was on the line.

Didnt they cut to a shot of the staff starting to glow a bit before Banner even picked it up? I thought it was pretty obvious what was going on in that scene. I mean tensions were running high, but everybody getting uncharacteristically angry all of a sudden for no apparent reason? Couldnt be the bad guys mystical artifact used to dominate peoples minds thats sitting on the table over there... could it?


Yeah, it seemed pretty obvious to me. I hate movies that spell everything out as if the audience are idiots. If anything this was almost too blatant.
2012-05-06 11:00:00 PM  
1 votes:

Cyno01: Bloody William: Mad_Radhu: To me, it seemed pretty clear that the staff was manipulating everyone's emotions in the room right before the attack made him change, making them increasingly angry at each other until they noticed Bruce was holding the staff. Banner was primed for an uncontrolled Hulk-out and was trying to pull back from the edge when Hawkeye's attack on the Helicarrier finally set him off. I'm guessing that if Banner isn't fully in control when the change comes, the resulting Hulk is much more dangerous and erratic.

There's a fine line between "show not tell" and "make the audience jump to conclusions." That scene was on the line.

Didnt they cut to a shot of the staff starting to glow a bit before Banner even picked it up? I thought it was pretty obvious what was going on in that scene. I mean tensions were running high, but everybody getting uncharacteristically angry all of a sudden for no apparent reason? Couldnt be the bad guys mystical artifact used to dominate peoples minds thats sitting on the table over there... could it?


I don't remember the glowing, but I also thought that that scene was pretty obvious.
2012-05-06 10:49:26 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Mad_Radhu: That's not really a valid complaint in a story that features two characters that the people of Scandinavia literally worshipped because of their godlike powers.

This is true, but it still has to be consistent with the story. Everyone was TERRIFIED of Banner because he was not able to control the Hulk. And we're supposed to believe that when that actually comes true, he actually was able to control it the whole time and the fact that he wasn't was merely because this particular time he was being manipulated?

Sorry, that's bad writing.


To me, it seemed pretty clear that the staff was manipulating everyone's emotions in the room right before the attack made him change, making them increasingly angry at each other until they noticed Bruce was holding the staff. Banner was primed for an uncontrolled Hulk-out and was trying to pull back from the edge when Hawkeye's attack on the Helicarrier finally set him off. I'm guessing that if Banner isn't fully in control when the change comes, the resulting Hulk is much more dangerous and erratic.
2012-05-06 10:44:23 PM  
1 votes:
You know, I want a Marvel movie where the villain is Fin Fang Foom.

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Gigantic magical space dragon-man being who wears shorts. Fark yes.
2012-05-06 10:43:30 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: ParagonComplex: You people really don't get it, do you? Banner is always angry. He is always in control. He changed on the helicraft because of Loki's magic. You really didn't notice the look Loki gave him when he was escorted into the interrogation room? The headache he got afterwards?

So your answer is - literally - magic.

Lovely.


So, in a movie with Norse gods from space, super soldiers, massive flying aircraft carriers, and all-powerful energy cubes, "magic" is a bit too far-fetched for you? Okay then...
2012-05-06 10:42:25 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Mad_Radhu: That's not really a valid complaint in a story that features two characters that the people of Scandinavia literally worshipped because of their godlike powers.

This is true, but it still has to be consistent with the story. Everyone was TERRIFIED of Banner because he was not able to control the Hulk. And we're supposed to believe that when that actually comes true, he actually was able to control it the whole time and the fact that he wasn't was merely because this particular time he was being manipulated?

Sorry, that's bad writing.


Actually, it's fridge brilliance. Banner shows through the whole thing that he can consciously keep things controlled. Electricity doesn't set him off. Having a gun pointed at him doesn't set him off. He even has a raging freak-out to test Black Widow. He shifts on the helicarrier because the scepter and Loki did it to him and forced him into a transformation, which isn't explicitly said but is strongly shown with him holding the scepter and Loki's reactions. The transformation also put him beyond any control, which goes with Loki.

Now, here's the thing that makes "he can control the Hulk all the time" work: he wasn't hiding the Hulk from the world. He was hiding the Hulk from S.H.I.E.L.D.. They wanted a super soldier. If they knew Banner could control the Hulk, they'd want that. He wasn't keeping a bomb from exploding in the middle of nowhere, he was keeping a bomb from being locked in a S.H.I.E.L.D. armory. Loki basically fired the weapon S.H.I.E.L.D. and the government wanted, which is what Banner was hiding from to begin with.
2012-05-06 10:33:42 PM  
1 votes:

sn0wblind: if i hated captain america but enjoyed thor, will this movie be watchable?
/literally fell asleep during captain america's clicheness


No way in hell you'll fall asleep during The Avengers.
2012-05-06 10:19:41 PM  
1 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.

I haven't seen a superhero movie that I loved since Iron Man, which is my favorite of the genre by far, but this has RDJ in it, so it will be at least partially awesome.

Captain America is great, Thor sucked. It sucked bad... really badly. skip it.


I strongly disagree.
2012-05-06 10:12:24 PM  
1 votes:

Raktastic: the reason that people should be clapping at the end of a movie is to show your appreciation of the movie to anyone and everyone involved in the making of the film.


False. This is not why people clap at the ends of films, and I can't believe people still have this judgment about it. People clap at the end of great films because they are pumped up and want a release of energy.
2012-05-06 10:09:11 PM  
1 votes:
www.writeups.org

I would jizz nonstop for days if they brought in this guy.
2012-05-06 09:45:17 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Why are you alone on that? I thought everyone liked that.


I figured I was the only one who thought about it that way. I don't often hear much talk about Tony and Pepper's relationship, or that there were Moonlighting fans who liked Iron Man.

Carth: It needs to be in more theaters to beat 200 million. TDK opened in 4,366 screen Avengers was in 4,349 but because of 3d beat its per screen average. The most theaters ever was 4,468 (Twilight Eclipse) I think if TDKR is going to beat Avengers it needs a really strong midnight sales and at least 4400 screens


The thing I'm not getting is WHY either one has to beat the other? Or either of them breaking any records for that matter. I mean, I get why people root for sports teams. But to root for movies to break records comes off to me like the worst kind of fanboyism ("Yes! My taste has been validated by the masses!", as opposed to, in the case of a flop "Yeah, but people are stupid and wouldn't appreciate it anyway").

There's plenty of room on anyone's shelves for both movies, I'm sure.
2012-05-06 09:26:23 PM  
1 votes:

CapnPlaty: The way I felt leaving the theater after The Avengers was how I wanted to feel after The Phantom Menace.


How dare you make me think about TPM.
2012-05-06 09:25:00 PM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: We're seeing it again on Wednesday. Partially just to see Hulk respond to Loki in just the right way.


Yes! The theater I was in was cheering, the best moment in a movie chock full of best moments.

The way I felt leaving the theater after The Avengers was how I wanted to feel after The Phantom Menace.

It set a new high water mark for superhero movies. Your move, Mr. Wayne
2012-05-06 09:21:45 PM  
1 votes:

Smelly McUgly: Iron Man was great precisely because I think the writers realized that it would be hard to root for a superhero whose facial expressions are hidden by a mask, so they spent a large chunk of the movie developing Tony as a likable, if immature guy with all the suit-building and testing scenes.


I realize that I'm alone in this, but other than this, the thing that I liked was the Maddie-David "Moonlighting" type chemistry and banter that Tony and Pepper had.
2012-05-06 09:05:59 PM  
1 votes:
I went to the movie not a fan of the Hulk. I left as a fan of the Hulk. I want to see anoter Hulk movie!
2012-05-06 08:55:29 PM  
1 votes:

BroVinny:
(Actually, it'd be kind of neat to bring together a team of Marvel's oddball characters, like Howard, Rocket Raccoon, Slapstick, She-Hulk (who can see through fourth walls), etc.)


I'm still waiting for a Squirrel Girl movie. Probably not going to happen though, since there's no way to find a villain that would stand a chance against her.
2012-05-06 08:31:35 PM  
1 votes:

Arachnophobe: Serial: PepperFreak: Wasn't surprised to see Pepper Potts barefoot.
We're talking Whedon, here, folks, and that man has a serious foot fetish.

Are you kidding? Other than her walking around in her apartment barefoot (with no foot close-ups) gives you the impression he's a foot fetishist?

There's only one major director with a serious foot fetish in Hollywood.. and that's Tarantino.

Well, there was the closeup on Black Widow's feet after her interrogation scene. In those slightly torn stockings.

/not a foot fetishist, but still, yowza.


I really wish she had the acting chops to go with her looks. She was okay in the movie but only because her character is a fairly emotionless assassin.
2012-05-06 08:17:29 PM  
1 votes:

Wayne 985: If you want a palate cleanser, watch Batman and Robin. That'll make you vomit so thoroughly that there won't be anything left to taste.


I sat through that movie once, and it was the hardest thing to watch EVER. I love the 60's Batman series because it is so stupid, but Batman and Robin was beyond stupid, it was insulting to watch.
2012-05-06 08:16:30 PM  
1 votes:
I haven't read through the thread yet, but I plan on it after commenting.

My wife and I saw it today in IMAX 3D... it was one of the best films I've ever seen. Not kidding.

It was brilliantly done. Just simply brilliant.
Well-acted, well-paced, hilarious, serious, absolutely kick ass, and more fun than I've ever had a movie theatre.
That is not hyperbole. Forget just super heroes, this movie is how you do an action-adventure movie well. Intelligently written, "believable" action, etc. Just utterly fantastic.

And the 3D effects were convincing and didn't look fake at all like I was worried about.

We got there about 40 mins early, and luckily the IMAX had assigned seating, we got a great spot. If you're wondering and haven't seen it yet; it's absolutely worth braving the crowds for (but people like me find it more fun to be in the throngs watching it with the world).

I'll probably honestly go see it again with a buddy or something. Awesome movie. F*cking awesome.

/"And Hulk?... smash"
2012-05-06 08:11:47 PM  
1 votes:

Wayne 985: They really should retire live action Batman for another decade after TDKR. He's great, but he's also been done about as well as humanly possible and it's time to move on.


Or bring back the 60's batman. It would be a palate cleanser to the dark and brooding batman.
2012-05-06 08:00:52 PM  
1 votes:
i can't talk about it without spoiler alerting all over the place except to say i nerdgasmed over and over and over and i want to be inside of loki. *bows*
2012-05-06 07:53:20 PM  
1 votes:

Free Radical: So what we are saying here is that Batman doesn't always win?


More people will see Batman but Avengers will win the box office because of the premium charged for 3D.
2012-05-06 07:53:00 PM  
1 votes:
Best scene was Hulk's response to Loki and Hulk's punch to Thor. Hulk stole every scene he was in. Awesome film.
2012-05-06 07:45:27 PM  
1 votes:

Serial: PepperFreak: Wasn't surprised to see Pepper Potts barefoot.
We're talking Whedon, here, folks, and that man has a serious foot fetish.

Are you kidding? Other than her walking around in her apartment barefoot (with no foot close-ups) gives you the impression he's a foot fetishist?

There's only one major director with a serious foot fetish in Hollywood.. and that's Tarantino.


Well, there was the closeup on Black Widow's feet after her interrogation scene. In those slightly torn stockings.

/not a foot fetishist, but still, yowza.
2012-05-06 07:35:17 PM  
1 votes:

PepperFreak: Wasn't surprised to see Pepper Potts barefoot.
We're talking Whedon, here, folks, and that man has a serious foot fetish.


Are you kidding? Other than her walking around in her apartment barefoot (with no foot close-ups) gives you the impression he's a foot fetishist?

There's only one major director with a serious foot fetish in Hollywood.. and that's Tarantino.
2012-05-06 07:32:01 PM  
1 votes:

chuggernaught: arrr_matey1978: One of the many great things about the movie was the pacing. There was always something interesting happening or about to happen. And then we finally got a big, long action scene with the New York stuff at the end.

And what else was great... finally, NO LOVE STORY! If nothing else, I hope studio execs realize a movie can be successful with both genders without having to shoehorn in some lame-ass romance plot.


There were love stories, they just were not shoved into your face.

Starks and Pepper, and of course two heroes were shown to have feelings for one another.


Agreed. IMO, the most emotional scene in the whole movie was JARVIS asking Tony if he should call Pepper. Even though you could barely see Downey's face in that sequence, he acted the fark out of it. Great, great job.
2012-05-06 07:30:59 PM  
1 votes:

blackminded: I might go see it again tonight.

/I just might


every person I've heard from who has already seen it has said they're going again. That's the first time I've heard this for any blockbuster since movie tickets hit $12
2012-05-06 07:27:32 PM  
1 votes:
and where was the War Machine?
2012-05-06 07:26:59 PM  
1 votes:

Carth: DamnYankees: blackminded: cicdle: If you don't already, you really need to do a movie critic style blog.

If DamnYankees and Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener did a Siskel & Ebert style podcast I would pay top dollar to subscribe.

/facts

I wish I could somehow make movies into a career - I really love them. The only thing that's stopping me is my total failure to make any attempt to do that.

You should start a movie blog. If nothing else because you enjoy it and could influence the RT ratings.


I don't see enough movies to do a regular review blog, though. I probably see thirty or so a year.

JosephFinn: That and the $10 proved that Chris Evans can do comedy. Well, that and Not Another Teen Movie, an under rated spoof.


He was also funny in Scott Pilgrim.
2012-05-06 07:26:30 PM  
1 votes:

Digitalstrange: Lernaeus: ZeroCorpse: ... Tom Selleck as Tony Stark

Honestly, I'd rather see (a younger) Selleck as Stark than Downey. It's not a huge point with me, but ...

Tony Stark was a dark, serious character in the books, whereas Downey plays a flippant playboy. I'm sure there's a good reason why they decided to replace Stark's alcoholism, but to me that was an important characteristic - at one point, he gave up Iron Man completely because he couldn't deal with losing two of his friends, and lived in an alcoholic stupor until he was practically forced back into the armor.

It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the movies, though. Really, it's that Chris Nolan got Bruce Wayne so right that I want to see some more grown-up and realistic takes on these classic characters.

Did you watch the same Iron Man films I did? Downey was drinking while on a presentation to the US Military, he was drinking and gambling when he was supposed to be accepting a prestigious science award. He had a drink in his hand any time he wasn't in a cave or the suit, and in 2 he got so wasted he was using the suit while drunk and endangering lives. Exactly how do you think they "replaced" Starks alcoholism? Yes at this point he is still functional but he is an alcoholic and they have addressed it even if they dont wallow in it.



Yep, the alcoholism is there. In IM2 you even see that his dad may have had a problem. In the movies they center more on his narcissism, but the alcoholism is there. Just because he isn't shown as wasted 24/7 doesn't mean he isn't an alcoholic.

/alcoholism does not mean you cannot function, it means you cannot function without it.
2012-05-06 07:25:57 PM  
1 votes:

blackminded: "...flying monkeys."

"I got that! I got that reference!"

/subtly hilarious


That and the $10 proved that Chris Evans can do comedy. Well, that and Not Another Teen Movie, an under rated spoof.
2012-05-06 07:22:27 PM  
1 votes:

blackminded: cicdle: If you don't already, you really need to do a movie critic style blog.

If DamnYankees and Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener did a Siskel & Ebert style podcast I would pay top dollar to subscribe.

/facts


I wish I could somehow make movies into a career - I really love them. The only thing that's stopping me is my total failure to make any attempt to do that.
2012-05-06 07:20:48 PM  
1 votes:

cicdle: If you don't already, you really need to do a movie critic style blog.


If DamnYankees and Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener did a Siskel & Ebert style podcast I would pay top dollar to subscribe.

/facts
2012-05-06 07:14:47 PM  
1 votes:
I did enjoy Cobie Smulders' panty lines quite a bit...
2012-05-06 07:12:55 PM  
1 votes:

NeoCortex42: The way that scene was shot, I took it as the staff was exerting some influence over the attitudes of everyone in the room. This caused them all to argue with each other and subtly controlled Banner to take the staff.


I basically interpreted the staff as being like the slime from Ghostbusters 2, altering peoples moods, making them pissy, turning people into drones.

/Mind gem.
2012-05-06 07:09:00 PM  
1 votes:

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: TheManofPA: One thing that got me though was the cards. Knowing they were a lie and knowing Nick Fury's love of just being an a-hole to get the job done, I thought that would mean that the individual involved would have some more scenes later on

very much THIS. I was convinced that we'd see that character again.


You will be, in Iron Man 3.
2012-05-06 07:00:45 PM  
1 votes:

MBK: flamingboar: I loved the movie but the Bruce Banner/hulk transformation confused me at one point.

/being vague to avoid spoilers.

Semi-SPOILERSSSSSSSS

The first transformation was due to pain. When Hulk senses that Banner is in pain, he comes out to not only protect Bruce, but to protect himself (no Banner, no Hulk). When this happens, Banner can't control the transformation. Hulk is in control.

Second transformation? Bruce reveals that he HAS control over the Hulk under normal circumstances. He can turn to Hulk at will. He's "always angry", meaning he can turn it on (but not so much turning it off).

End Semi-Spoilers




ADDITIONAL SPOILERS*****

my take, the first transformation is slow due to two things. 1) for the movie aspect it builds drama as black widow realizes the danger and it gets the crowd into the scene. 2) for the story aspect banner is fighting the transformation so it just takes longer. during the second transformation he wants the hulk in charge so it happens much faster, he let's go so to speak.

END SPOILERS



So many funny and quotable lines.


/if it's all the same to you, I'll take that drink now.
2012-05-06 06:59:45 PM  
1 votes:

arrr_matey1978: finally, NO LOVE STORY!


I can't big and bold this enough.
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-05-06 06:50:18 PM  
1 votes:

Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Except Dr. Banner himself contradicts that in the film by stating he put a bullet in his head when he was depressed and "the green guy spit it out".

I love hearing the fans get all crazy trying to explain something that has so many people going "wait...when did he learn to control it?"


How did he contradict himself? The Hulk won't allow Banner any harm. So if Banner gets hurt, the Hulk takes control and rages.

Spoilers!!!

In the previous scene, BW and Nick wanted to put Banner in prison/a cell. You also see that Banner doesn't have full control over himself when he is under stress, he doesn't know what he is doing. He grabs the staff and doesn't realize it. Then, add the injury, with the thought of the prison, and the Hulk is unleashed, rages out etc etc.

But in the final battle, Banner is under control and unleashed the Hulk, meaning that Banner had full control of the transformation, and could control the Hulk better. Hulk saw a bigger threat, innocents getting hurt, and thus Hulk/Banner had a common goal/enemy.

As for the "fall" scene, iirc, the first Hulk movie, when the Hulk fell off the jet plane into the ocean, he came out and turned back into Banner.
2012-05-06 06:44:13 PM  
1 votes:

Lernaeus: ZeroCorpse: ... Tom Selleck as Tony Stark

Honestly, I'd rather see (a younger) Selleck as Stark than Downey. It's not a huge point with me, but ...

Tony Stark was a dark, serious character in the books, whereas Downey plays a flippant playboy. I'm sure there's a good reason why they decided to replace Stark's alcoholism, but to me that was an important characteristic - at one point, he gave up Iron Man completely because he couldn't deal with losing two of his friends, and lived in an alcoholic stupor until he was practically forced back into the armor.

It doesn't take away from my enjoyment of the movies, though. Really, it's that Chris Nolan got Bruce Wayne so right that I want to see some more grown-up and realistic takes on these classic characters.


Did you watch the same Iron Man films I did? Downey was drinking while on a presentation to the US Military, he was drinking and gambling when he was supposed to be accepting a prestigious science award. He had a drink in his hand any time he wasn't in a cave or the suit, and in 2 he got so wasted he was using the suit while drunk and endangering lives. Exactly how do you think they "replaced" Starks alcoholism? Yes at this point he is still functional but he is an alcoholic and they have addressed it even if they dont wallow in it.
2012-05-06 06:38:59 PM  
1 votes:
The Punch...best scene in the movie

/Next to the post credits scene and the post-post credits scene
2012-05-06 06:33:47 PM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse:

Give credit to Zak Penn, too. He co-wrote the story.

And give credit to Jackson, Downey, and company, too. They showed that the right actors can make even the most outrageous idea work. I don't imagine this would have worked half as well if they had cast someone like Megan Fox as Black Widow and Tom Selleck as Tony Stark.


True, it was a massive shared victory for all involved. The whole Marvel Movie-verse has been a perfect storm of timing and talent.

Unfortunately, the lesson that DC will take away from the Avenger's success is that if they hire big name talent and toss money at a project, it's going to make them a metric fark-ton of money. In other words, they'll learn nothing and keep on their current path.
2012-05-06 06:28:18 PM  
1 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-05-06 06:23:08 PM  
1 votes:

Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.


nonono. There are so very few movies truly worth seeing in a theater these days. Avengers is definitely one of them. You don't want your first time seeing it to be on your TV.
2012-05-06 06:17:41 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: ZeroCorpse: No, it's not "made up" and there is no flaw in this logic. As I said the last time this was brought up, the very last scene in The Incredible Hulk makes it very clear that Banner has learned to transform at will. The Avengers movie also makes it clear that pain/danger/stress will trigger the transformation against his will (he even says he ate a bullet and the "other guy" spat it out, to spell it out for the audience).

The only thing that didn't make sense was that he'd turn back to Banner after falling out of the sky and crashing through a building. If anything, that should have kept him hulked up.

None of this explains why if the Hulk comes out against his will he isn't able to control his rage. It's not explained at all and doesn't make sense.


It's not rage that triggers the uncontrolled transformations, it's pain. Which explains both the "ate a bullet and the other guy spit it out" lines and the almost apologetic look Hulk shoots to Widow after the first transformation. If Banner is caught off guard or in danger, the Jolly Green Giant steps in to run the show.

/full disclosure: I collected Hulk comics for years
//through the Grey Hulk "Mr. Fixit" era
///old
2012-05-06 06:12:39 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: ZeroCorpse: No, it's not "made up" and there is no flaw in this logic. As I said the last time this was brought up, the very last scene in The Incredible Hulk makes it very clear that Banner has learned to transform at will. The Avengers movie also makes it clear that pain/danger/stress will trigger the transformation against his will (he even says he ate a bullet and the "other guy" spat it out, to spell it out for the audience).

The only thing that didn't make sense was that he'd turn back to Banner after falling out of the sky and crashing through a building. If anything, that should have kept him hulked up.

None of this explains why if the Hulk comes out against his will he isn't able to control his rage. It's not explained at all and doesn't make sense.


I'm guessing we'll get that explanation in the 30 minutes that were cut. They talk about it in the comic and I'd be surprised if Joss wasn't aware of the reasons marvel uses. It isn't really important to the film so it makes sense to get rid of a 5 minutes scene just to explain that point.
2012-05-06 06:07:08 PM  
1 votes:
I hope to see Loki again. He was an awesome villain.
2012-05-06 06:06:38 PM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: Tom Selleck as Tony Stark.


That could've worked in 1986 or so.
2012-05-06 06:06:00 PM  
1 votes:
Wasn't surprised to see Pepper Potts barefoot.
We're talking Whedon, here, folks, and that man has a serious foot fetish.
2012-05-06 06:05:29 PM  
1 votes:

Carth: RDJ should also be thanking the Universe for Iron Man it really revitalized his career.


If you read interviews with him from after Iron Man came out, he does. If I remember correctly they Iron Man had to take out a MASSIVE insurance policy against him given his track record, and his salary was barely above scale. Now he IS Tony Stark.

/looking forward to IM3
//not sure how well Extremis will play on the big screen...
2012-05-06 06:01:24 PM  
1 votes:

MannaxOne: Ok, after the "Hulk/Loki" scene. Does anyone know what the Hulk said? I couldn't hear it over my own laughter as well as the rest of the theater.


He says "Puny God"
2012-05-06 05:58:00 PM  
1 votes:

TheManofPA: rickycal78: Barricaded Gunman: Mentat: That was the most Joss Whedon scene ever.

Nope. The shwarma restaturant was.

Nah, I'm gonna go with the headcount scene with Loki and Stark.

It was pretty easy to see Joss's influence on the movie, but I'm glad it wasn't over done.

Semi-spoilery:


A) You are missing the most Joss Whedon based scene
B) It wasn't maximum Whedon because it wasn't a girl that it happened to


End semi-spoilery


I have a pretty good idea what you're talking about, but he does it to male characters as well.
2012-05-06 05:54:01 PM  
1 votes:

rickycal78: Barricaded Gunman: Mentat: That was the most Joss Whedon scene ever.

Nope. The shwarma restaturant was.

Nah, I'm gonna go with the headcount scene with Loki and Stark.

It was pretty easy to see Joss's influence on the movie, but I'm glad it wasn't over done.


Semi-spoilery:


A) You are missing the most Joss Whedon based scene
B) It wasn't maximum Whedon because it wasn't a girl that it happened to



End semi-spoilery
2012-05-06 05:52:52 PM  
1 votes:

blackminded: "...flying monkeys."

"I got that! I got that reference!"

/subtly hilarious


Yeah, that was one of those small things that show how much better a film is with writers and directors who get the material. Cap had to be a little sick of half of what people said not making sense to him (Hey Point Break! No hard feelings huh?) that one little line reminded you perfectly of that.
2012-05-06 05:45:14 PM  
1 votes:
Mentat: That was the most Joss Whedon scene ever.

Nope. The shwarma restaturant was.
2012-05-06 05:44:10 PM  
1 votes:

kronicfeld: DamnYankees: Carth: kronicfeld: Marvel should wake up every day thanking the universe for the existence of Robert Downey Jr.


Avengers is going to do way broader business than TDKR even without Imax and 3D. The theater today was loaded to the gills with kids as young as six or seven. You're not going to see parents taking young kids to the way darker TDKR.

Not sure I buy this - Iron Man and The Dark Knight came out within weeks of each other, a TDK had a much bigger box office than IM. I don't see why we can't apply the same logic here.

Because Iron Man and TDK were two totally different movies from the two we're comparing now?


They are? I can't even imagine a more perfect movie analogy. The only better parallel possible would have been if it was Iron Man 2 against TDKR.
2012-05-06 05:42:25 PM  
1 votes:
Perfect super hero movie. Lots of humor, lots of energy, lots of SFX without being overwhelmed or sickened by it (Looking at you, Transformers!). The characters were played by actors who could really understand their characters and (Better yet) portray their characters in ways that people who didn't grow up with these characters could feel like they understood them.
2012-05-06 05:40:52 PM  
1 votes:
"...flying monkeys."

"I got that! I got that reference!"

/subtly hilarious
2012-05-06 05:40:28 PM  
1 votes:

jmr61: Still disgusted that more people don't have the brains to see Cabin in the Woods.

Excellent movie.


Indeed it was.
2012-05-06 05:34:33 PM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: We're seeing it again on Wednesday. Partially just to see Hulk respond to Loki in just the right way.


That was the most Joss Whedon scene ever.
2012-05-06 05:34:12 PM  
1 votes:

kronicfeld: Marvel should wake up every day thanking the universe for the existence of Robert Downey Jr.



Avengers is going to do way broader business than TDKR even without Imax and 3D. The theater today was loaded to the gills with kids as young as six or seven. You're not going to see parents taking young kids to the way darker TDKR.



RDJ should also be thanking the Universe for Iron Man it really revitalized his career.

I agree Avengers has broader appeal, particularly overseas. There were a bunch of kids in TDK when I saw it, never underestimate the stupidity of some parents. I still think it will be close with both getting around 500 million
2012-05-06 05:31:54 PM  
1 votes:

Carth: flamingboar: Was there ever any doubt about it breaking records?

I don't think anyone doubted it would break the record but this really destroyed the old one. I was firmly in the "TDKR will be the highest grossing movie of the summer" camp before this weekend but not I am not sure it can do it without the 3D premium.


Avengers is going to do way broader business than TDKR even without Imax and 3D. The theater today was loaded to the gills with kids as young as six or seven. You're not going to see parents taking young kids to the way darker TDKR.
2012-05-06 05:27:37 PM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: We're seeing it again on Wednesday. Partially just to see Hulk respond to Loki in just the right way.


+1

Alone, worth the price of admission.

/plus, y'know, the WHOLE REST OF THE MOVIE
 
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