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2012-05-07 01:32:48 PM  

Browncoat: saintstryfe: Kevin Smith said the something similar: Joss Whedin didn't have a lot of directing to do. He had a fantastic set of actors, an easy script and a goal to just not screw it up. He added several personal touches that worked beautifully.

Sounds like Kevin Smith is butthurt he'll never get to direct anything that will gross a tenth of what Avengers will.


But Clerks WAGRHBABABBLEBALBELBE!!!!11!!1!
 
2012-05-07 01:33:53 PM  

Lernaeus: JosephFinn: We're seeing it again on Wednesday. Partially just to see Hulk respond to Loki in just the right way.

+1

Alone, worth the price of admission.


That was farking hilarious, I am also seeing it again after the crowds die down. Sold out theaters suck ass.
 
2012-05-07 01:34:46 PM  

texdent: meanmutton: So, I'm the only one left who hasn't seen it?

There's probably some people in Africa who haven't seen it.


And the people in prison, including the human slave in China who make our iphones, etc.
 
2012-05-07 01:45:14 PM  

MBK: Schadenfreude ist die schoenste Freude: Except Dr. Banner himself contradicts that in the film by stating he put a bullet in his head when he was depressed and "the green guy spit it out".

I love hearing the fans get all crazy trying to explain something that has so many people going "wait...when did he learn to control it?"

How did he contradict himself? The Hulk won't allow Banner any harm. So if Banner gets hurt, the Hulk takes control and rages.

Spoilers!!!

In the previous scene, BW and Nick wanted to put Banner in prison/a cell. You also see that Banner doesn't have full control over himself when he is under stress, he doesn't know what he is doing. He grabs the staff and doesn't realize it. Then, add the injury, with the thought of the prison, and the Hulk is unleashed, rages out etc etc.

But in the final battle, Banner is under control and unleashed the Hulk, meaning that Banner had full control of the transformation, and could control the Hulk better. Hulk saw a bigger threat, innocents getting hurt, and thus Hulk/Banner had a common goal/enemy.

As for the "fall" scene, iirc, the first Hulk movie, when the Hulk fell off the jet plane into the ocean, he came out and turned back into Banner.


If it hasn't been mentioned in the next 10 pages. He was under the control of Loki
 
2012-05-07 01:53:07 PM  
Again, let me clear something up.

Sony does Spider-man. 20th Century Fox does Fantastic Four and X-Men. If they wanted, Fox could do a crossover FF/X-Men movie. FF are NOT a Sony property.
 
2012-05-07 01:55:03 PM  

Barricaded Gunman: DemonEater: What got ME about the cards is that Nick Fury went and covered a bunch of perfectly good collectors cards in blood just to get a rise out of his team. WHAT THE fark, MAN, THOSE ARE MINT!

To be fair to Mr Fury, they were near mint, with some slight foxing around the edges.


But Fury took them out of their cases! Coulson wouldn't keep near mind cards just tossed into his locker.
 
2012-05-07 02:02:16 PM  

saintstryfe: Kurmudgeon: willfullyobscure: If nothing else, the man is prophetic. Argue with his taste; can't argue with his insight.

Really? Looked like yet another typical internet movie basher to me.
The whole article you linked to was nothing but an overly wordy troll, not impressed with either the writer's taste or input.
That kind of "insight" is a worthless.

Agreed. Kevin Smith said the something similar: Joss Whedin didn't have a lot of directing to do. He had a fantastic set of actors, an easy script and a goal to just not screw it up. He added several personal touches that worked beautifully.


If only M. Night Shamalamadingdong could figure that out. I'm looking at you Last Airbender!
 
2012-05-07 02:13:39 PM  

saintstryfe: Because Aquaman sucks on screen, and Flash is hard to put on screen.


images.wikia.com

I am? Dammit.
 
2012-05-07 02:26:57 PM  

sniderman: saintstryfe: Because Aquaman sucks on screen, and Flash is hard to put on screen.

[images.wikia.com image 250x345]

I am? Dammit.


The movie would be too short.
 
2012-05-07 02:36:08 PM  

Wayne 985: Uchiha_Cycliste: Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.

I haven't seen a superhero movie that I loved since Iron Man, which is my favorite of the genre by far, but this has RDJ in it, so it will be at least partially awesome.

Captain America is great, Thor sucked. It sucked bad... really badly. skip it.

I enjoyed Thor (well, I'd give it a "C"). The characters were all likeable and Asgard was amazing. The problem was that Thor's story on Earth felt like small potatoes.

Captain America was more of "B+" or "A-" to me. Great characters, great set pieces, huge and inspiring story, but a few cheeseball moments. Still, I'm really hoping we see more of the Red Skull. Weaving owned that role.


I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.
 
2012-05-07 02:41:01 PM  

pat34us: Wayne 985: Uchiha_Cycliste: Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.

I haven't seen a superhero movie that I loved since Iron Man, which is my favorite of the genre by far, but this has RDJ in it, so it will be at least partially awesome.

Captain America is great, Thor sucked. It sucked bad... really badly. skip it.

I enjoyed Thor (well, I'd give it a "C"). The characters were all likeable and Asgard was amazing. The problem was that Thor's story on Earth felt like small potatoes.

Captain America was more of "B+" or "A-" to me. Great characters, great set pieces, huge and inspiring story, but a few cheeseball moments. Still, I'm really hoping we see more of the Red Skull. Weaving owned that role.

I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.


They were closer than that for me. I'd say Thor was a solid B and Cap was an A, easily.

My favorite character has always been Thor, but Cap's movie was better. The beginning of Thor kicked ass and the ending was great, but the Earth stuff in the middle where he had lost his powers kinda dragged a bit.
 
2012-05-07 02:44:58 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: pat34us: Wayne 985: Uchiha_Cycliste: Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.

I haven't seen a superhero movie that I loved since Iron Man, which is my favorite of the genre by far, but this has RDJ in it, so it will be at least partially awesome.

Captain America is great, Thor sucked. It sucked bad... really badly. skip it.

I enjoyed Thor (well, I'd give it a "C"). The characters were all likeable and Asgard was amazing. The problem was that Thor's story on Earth felt like small potatoes.

Captain America was more of "B+" or "A-" to me. Great characters, great set pieces, huge and inspiring story, but a few cheeseball moments. Still, I'm really hoping we see more of the Red Skull. Weaving owned that role.

I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.

They were closer than that for me. I'd say Thor was a solid B and Cap was an A, easily.

My favorite character has always been Thor, but Cap's movie was better. The beginning of Thor kicked ass and the ending was great, but the Earth stuff in the middle where he had lost his powers kinda dragged a bit.


I actually kinda liked the parts when he was stuck on Earth and having him trying to adjust to the new world. The pet shop scene always gives me a chuckle.
 
2012-05-07 02:54:04 PM  

PsyLord: I actually kinda liked the parts when he was stuck on Earth and having him trying to adjust to the new world. The pet shop scene always gives me a chuckle.


I think Heimdall had most of my favorite scenes, or at least my favorite dialogue.

Heimdall: You would defy the commands of Loki, our king? Break every oath you have taken as warriors, and commit treason to bring Thor back?!
Sif: Yes.
Heimdall: Good. [walks away]
 
2012-05-07 02:54:13 PM  

PsyLord: Raug the Dwarf: pat34us: Wayne 985: Uchiha_Cycliste: Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.

I haven't seen a superhero movie that I loved since Iron Man, which is my favorite of the genre by far, but this has RDJ in it, so it will be at least partially awesome.

Captain America is great, Thor sucked. It sucked bad... really badly. skip it.

I enjoyed Thor (well, I'd give it a "C"). The characters were all likeable and Asgard was amazing. The problem was that Thor's story on Earth felt like small potatoes.

Captain America was more of "B+" or "A-" to me. Great characters, great set pieces, huge and inspiring story, but a few cheeseball moments. Still, I'm really hoping we see more of the Red Skull. Weaving owned that role.

I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.

They were closer than that for me. I'd say Thor was a solid B and Cap was an A, easily.

My favorite character has always been Thor, but Cap's movie was better. The beginning of Thor kicked ass and the ending was great, but the Earth stuff in the middle where he had lost his powers kinda dragged a bit.

I actually kinda liked the parts when he was stuck on Earth and having him trying to adjust to the new world. The pet shop scene always gives me a chuckle.


Yeah, that was good. And that bit about ordering a new cup of coffee in the diner was funny too.
 
2012-05-07 03:11:53 PM  

therecksays: Jenny Callender, Tara, Anya, Reverend Book


Book wasn't that out-of-the-blue. He was possibly the most expendable person in the cast, and you could be upset but not horribly surprised that he died in the movie. You knew Joss was going to kill someone. But Wash, HE got Jossed.

Also, god damn it, I'm only just starting on season 5 of Buffy, as far as I was concerned all those people were fine!
 
2012-05-07 03:13:02 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: PsyLord: Raug the Dwarf: pat34us: Wayne 985: Uchiha_Cycliste: Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.

I haven't seen a superhero movie that I loved since Iron Man, which is my favorite of the genre by far, but this has RDJ in it, so it will be at least partially awesome.

Captain America is great, Thor sucked. It sucked bad... really badly. skip it.

I enjoyed Thor (well, I'd give it a "C"). The characters were all likeable and Asgard was amazing. The problem was that Thor's story on Earth felt like small potatoes.

Captain America was more of "B+" or "A-" to me. Great characters, great set pieces, huge and inspiring story, but a few cheeseball moments. Still, I'm really hoping we see more of the Red Skull. Weaving owned that role.

I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.

They were closer than that for me. I'd say Thor was a solid B and Cap was an A, easily.

My favorite character has always been Thor, but Cap's movie was better. The beginning of Thor kicked ass and the ending was great, but the Earth stuff in the middle where he had lost his powers kinda dragged a bit.

I actually kinda liked the parts when he was stuck on Earth and having him trying to adjust to the new world. The pet shop scene always gives me a chuckle.

Yeah, that was good. And that bit about ordering a new cup of coffee in the diner was funny too.


The whole movie was great, you guys must have forgot, see it again.
 
2012-05-07 03:26:54 PM  

DemonEater: therecksays: Jenny Callender, Tara, Anya, Reverend Book

Book wasn't that out-of-the-blue. He was possibly the most expendable person in the cast, and you could be upset but not horribly surprised that he died in the movie. You knew Joss was going to kill someone. But Wash, HE got Jossed.

Also, god damn it, I'm only just starting on season 5 of Buffy, as far as I was concerned all those people were fine!


... you poor, poor farker.
 
2012-05-07 03:32:11 PM  

spidermann: saintstryfe: Green Lantern 2 - with the bullshiat origin out of the way, we get a real super hero story. At some point, GL crashes from space back to earth, he lands on an all Greek island, and he flies off... only to reveal who was watching him - Wonder Woman.

Wouldn't work.

No man may set foot upon Themyscira. Any man who does is to be killed immediately. And yes, Princess Diana would kill them as well.

If GL flew away before they could kill him, they would chase him and kill him.

Even Superman floats above the land when visiting Themyscira.


Magic will fark up Supes' so yeah his plays it smart. A island of women with magic weapons trained in combat would give pause.
 
2012-05-07 03:34:05 PM  

pat34us: Raug the Dwarf: PsyLord: Raug the Dwarf: pat34us: Wayne 985: Uchiha_Cycliste: Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.

I haven't seen a superhero movie that I loved since Iron Man, which is my favorite of the genre by far, but this has RDJ in it, so it will be at least partially awesome.

Captain America is great, Thor sucked. It sucked bad... really badly. skip it.

I enjoyed Thor (well, I'd give it a "C"). The characters were all likeable and Asgard was amazing. The problem was that Thor's story on Earth felt like small potatoes.

Captain America was more of "B+" or "A-" to me. Great characters, great set pieces, huge and inspiring story, but a few cheeseball moments. Still, I'm really hoping we see more of the Red Skull. Weaving owned that role.

I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.

They were closer than that for me. I'd say Thor was a solid B and Cap was an A, easily.

My favorite character has always been Thor, but Cap's movie was better. The beginning of Thor kicked ass and the ending was great, but the Earth stuff in the middle where he had lost his powers kinda dragged a bit.

I actually kinda liked the parts when he was stuck on Earth and having him trying to adjust to the new world. The pet shop scene always gives me a chuckle.

Yeah, that was good. And that bit about ordering a new cup of coffee in the diner was funny too.

The whole movie was great, you guys must have forgot, see it again.


nope. I ain't fallin' for that. To put it most succinctly, I've watched ALL the other marvel movies multiple times. I may or may not have deleted Thor. =/ I certainly had/have no desire to watch it again. But, to each their own.
 
2012-05-07 03:44:13 PM  
Why The Avengers wasn't a good movie:

1. The enemy is flying whales with Alien-like teeth that is also a space ship?
2. Wormhole-thing over NYC cgi sucked - DS9's was 2x better and that was 10 years ago.
3. Loki is a stupid name for a villain. They could have easily changed it.
4. WAY too long.
5. Huge chunk of the movie simply centered around the flying fortress possibly crashing. Not interesting.
6. Involving a nuclear bomb as part of the climax. What is this, the 80's? Get a new weapon.
7. No Natalie Portman.
 
2012-05-07 03:54:51 PM  

DemonEater: therecksays: Jenny Callender, Tara, Anya, Reverend Book

Book wasn't that out-of-the-blue. He was possibly the most expendable person in the cast, and you could be upset but not horribly surprised that he died in the movie. You knew Joss was going to kill someone. But Wash, HE got Jossed.

Also, god damn it, I'm only just starting on season 5 of Buffy, as far as I was concerned all those people were fine!


I hate people who give spoilers to 10+ year old shows.
 
2012-05-07 03:55:46 PM  

baroninthetrees: Why The Avengers wasn't a good movie:

1. The enemy is flying whales with Alien-like teeth that is also a space ship?
2. Wormhole-thing over NYC cgi sucked - DS9's was 2x better and that was 10 years ago.
3. Loki is a stupid name for a villain. They could have easily changed it.
4. WAY too long.
5. Huge chunk of the movie simply centered around the flying fortress possibly crashing. Not interesting.
6. Involving a nuclear bomb as part of the climax. What is this, the 80's? Get a new weapon.
7. No Natalie Portman.


Nice try.
 
2012-05-07 03:58:00 PM  

baroninthetrees: Why The Avengers wasn't a good movie:

1. The enemy is flying whales with Alien-like teeth that is also a space ship?
2. Wormhole-thing over NYC cgi sucked - DS9's was 2x better and that was 10 years ago.
3. Loki is a stupid name for a villain. They could have easily changed it.
4. WAY too long.
5. Huge chunk of the movie simply centered around the flying fortress possibly crashing. Not interesting.
6. Involving a nuclear bomb as part of the climax. What is this, the 80's? Get a new weapon.
7. No Natalie Portman.


Your post is like 522 posts too late. I can't see many bites, even with all the inaccuracies of your points.

4/10.

/I'm feeling generous.
 
2012-05-07 03:59:42 PM  

kronicfeld: Gen. Patton Harvey Oswalt: I guess my question has less to do with Cap's shield than with Thor - I thought the power of his hammer was basically limitless - I saw it as a "unstoppable force meets immovable object conundrum," but I guess not.

Yeah, they didn't really establish the paper-rock-scissor breakdown of their respective powers. For example, Thor can't penetrate Cap's shield, but Mjolnir is capable of pinning Hulk's arm (nice little nod to something established in the first movie btw) - but at the same time, Hulk can crush Iron Man's suit with one fist and do more damage to Loki in one blow than Thor could in a long, drawn-out fight.


The bit about how Thor is the only one who can pick up Mjolnir, that it's so heavy even Hulk can't lift it (except when he can.. damn comic book continuity), harkens back to how only Arthur could retrieve Excalibur from the stone. It was basically a specific magical effect - King Arthur does not possess superhuman strength, and Hulk is usually (damn comic book continuity) shown as stronger than Thor.

This all brings me to:

Marvel Rock-Paper-Scissors: Vibranium-Uru-Adamantium?

I may be fuzzy on this, but.. if Cap's shield can deflect Mjolnir (Uru is the name of the Asgardian metal it is made of), and Adamantium can cut Cap's shield (I know this happened once - not Wolverine's claws, but someone else). Hasn't Mjolnir done some damage to some adamantium weapon in canon? Yeah, I'm not much of a comic book collector...
 
2012-05-07 04:03:02 PM  

baroninthetrees: Why The Avengers wasn't a good movie:


Way too blatant, and not only does it not elicit a knee jerk fanboy reaction, it's so bad I almost want to add to the list to show I can come up with even stupider ones. For that, you get the exceptionally rare: -1/10
 
2012-05-07 04:03:45 PM  

ReverendLoki: The bit about how Thor is the only one who can pick up Mjolnir, that it's so heavy even Hulk can't lift it



It's not that it's heavy.
It's enchanted so that only those who are worthy and who Mjolnir chooses can pick it up.
 
2012-05-07 04:12:45 PM  
Don't know if anyone is still checking but does anyone know about a series I heard someone in line talking about? It was where Hulk became out of control and all the Marvel heroes banned together to try to get him under control. Didn't get a chance to ask him but it sounded like an interesting read and I was wondering what it was and whether it's a stand alone book or a collection of comics.
 
2012-05-07 04:26:05 PM  

alwaysjaded: Don't know if anyone is still checking but does anyone know about a series I heard someone in line talking about? It was where Hulk became out of control and all the Marvel heroes banned together to try to get him under control. Didn't get a chance to ask him but it sounded like an interesting read and I was wondering what it was and whether it's a stand alone book or a collection of comics.


World war hulk maybe?
 
2012-05-07 04:32:48 PM  

Obiwontaun: alwaysjaded: Don't know if anyone is still checking but does anyone know about a series I heard someone in line talking about? It was where Hulk became out of control and all the Marvel heroes banned together to try to get him under control. Didn't get a chance to ask him but it sounded like an interesting read and I was wondering what it was and whether it's a stand alone book or a collection of comics.

World war hulk maybe?


He wasn't really out of control, just really pissed off by what The Illuminati (group of superheroes including Prof. X, Reed Richards, Stark, Black Bolt.) did to him and blamed them for destroying a world that he ruled. Don't want to give too much away, it's an interesting read.
 
2012-05-07 04:37:34 PM  

PsyLord: Obiwontaun: alwaysjaded: Don't know if anyone is still checking but does anyone know about a series I heard someone in line talking about? It was where Hulk became out of control and all the Marvel heroes banned together to try to get him under control. Didn't get a chance to ask him but it sounded like an interesting read and I was wondering what it was and whether it's a stand alone book or a collection of comics.

World war hulk maybe?

He wasn't really out of control, just really pissed off by what The Illuminati (group of superheroes including Prof. X, Reed Richards, Stark, Black Bolt.) did to him and blamed them for destroying a world that he ruled. Don't want to give too much away, it's an interesting read.


True, but closest I can think of considering the amount of times Hulk has gone up against good guys. That's the one where he pretty much goes up against everybody and their uncles.
 
2012-05-07 04:39:29 PM  

Obiwontaun: PsyLord: Obiwontaun: alwaysjaded: Don't know if anyone is still checking but does anyone know about a series I heard someone in line talking about? It was where Hulk became out of control and all the Marvel heroes banned together to try to get him under control. Didn't get a chance to ask him but it sounded like an interesting read and I was wondering what it was and whether it's a stand alone book or a collection of comics.

World war hulk maybe?

He wasn't really out of control, just really pissed off by what The Illuminati (group of superheroes including Prof. X, Reed Richards, Stark, Black Bolt.) did to him and blamed them for destroying a world that he ruled. Don't want to give too much away, it's an interesting read.

True, but closest I can think of considering the amount of times Hulk has gone up against good guys. That's the one where he pretty much goes up against everybody and their uncles.


And would make an awesome movie down the line if Marvel can get some rights back.
 
2012-05-07 04:40:53 PM  

Obiwontaun: Obiwontaun: PsyLord: Obiwontaun: alwaysjaded: Don't know if anyone is still checking but does anyone know about a series I heard someone in line talking about? It was where Hulk became out of control and all the Marvel heroes banned together to try to get him under control. Didn't get a chance to ask him but it sounded like an interesting read and I was wondering what it was and whether it's a stand alone book or a collection of comics.

World war hulk maybe?

He wasn't really out of control, just really pissed off by what The Illuminati (group of superheroes including Prof. X, Reed Richards, Stark, Black Bolt.) did to him and blamed them for destroying a world that he ruled. Don't want to give too much away, it's an interesting read.

True, but closest I can think of considering the amount of times Hulk has gone up against good guys. That's the one where he pretty much goes up against everybody and their uncles.

And would make an awesome movie down the line if Marvel can get some rights back.


They'd have to start with a movie version of Planet Hulk first, to get the backstory and see why he's so pissed with the Illuminati.
 
2012-05-07 04:42:39 PM  

PsyLord: Obiwontaun: alwaysjaded: Don't know if anyone is still checking but does anyone know about a series I heard someone in line talking about? It was where Hulk became out of control and all the Marvel heroes banned together to try to get him under control. Didn't get a chance to ask him but it sounded like an interesting read and I was wondering what it was and whether it's a stand alone book or a collection of comics.

World war hulk maybe?

He wasn't really out of control, just really pissed off by what The Illuminati (group of superheroes including Prof. X, Reed Richards, Stark, Black Bolt.) did to him and blamed them for destroying a world that he ruled. Don't want to give too much away, it's an interesting read.


Sounds very much like what he was describing. And it's just the opposite of Hulk being completely out of control - Hulk is very much in control, to the point he is strategizing his attacks, and he is very very pissed. As in, he had finally found peace and had it taken from him.

The first part of this saga, Planet Hulk, has been animated and is currently on Netflix streaming. This was then followed by World War Hulk.
 
2012-05-07 04:42:50 PM  

pat34us: I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.


This. A co-worker saw Captain America at the midnight showing when it opened. He said it was better than The Dark Knight, which I thought was ridiculously high praise, but figured it would be at least a decent movie.

I would give it a C or a D, personally. I re-watched all the films in the week leading up to the Avengers, but couldn't finish CA. It's just a bad film and really forced.

Thor was good though. I would give that a B.

Had heard that CA was the 'heart' of the Avengers and that worried me some, but I think Joss handled him really well and I didn't have an issue with him here.

Hulk owned this movie; hands down. My absolute favorite part was when he shows up during the final fight. "That's my secret Cap. I'm always angry."
 
2012-05-07 04:51:20 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: Obiwontaun: Obiwontaun: PsyLord: Obiwontaun: alwaysjaded: Don't know if anyone is still checking but does anyone know about a series I heard someone in line talking about? It was where Hulk became out of control and all the Marvel heroes banned together to try to get him under control. Didn't get a chance to ask him but it sounded like an interesting read and I was wondering what it was and whether it's a stand alone book or a collection of comics.

World war hulk maybe?

He wasn't really out of control, just really pissed off by what The Illuminati (group of superheroes including Prof. X, Reed Richards, Stark, Black Bolt.) did to him and blamed them for destroying a world that he ruled. Don't want to give too much away, it's an interesting read.

True, but closest I can think of considering the amount of times Hulk has gone up against good guys. That's the one where he pretty much goes up against everybody and their uncles.

And would make an awesome movie down the line if Marvel can get some rights back.

They'd have to start with a movie version of Planet Hulk first, to get the backstory and see why he's so pissed with the Illuminati.


Agreed, hence the down the line remark.
 
2012-05-07 04:53:56 PM  

Obiwontaun:

World war hulk maybe?


That sounds right. I just looked at Amazon and thankfully there is a collection. There was Planet Hulk and World War Hulk and I picked both of them and Civil War.

ReverendLoki:

The first part of this saga, Planet Hulk, has been animated and is currently on Netflix streaming. This was then followed by World War Hulk.


Oh. I just looked at Netflix on my phone and sure enough, there it is. Maybe I'll just watch it instead and get World War Hulk since that one is not on there.
 
2012-05-07 04:54:43 PM  

DamnYankees: Maybe I'm truly insane, but I can think of movies from each of the past five years which have been better action-adventure movies than the Avengers.

2011 - Captain America
2010 - Kick Ass
2009 - Star Trek
2008 - Iron Man

Yes, I genuinely think those were all better than The Avengers. Flame away.


Of all the Avengers with their own movies, I simply find Captain America to be the least interesting character, so that movie didn't appeal to me as much.

Iron Man was a good movie, but it was really carried by the character of Stark and his interactions with Pepper Potts. I recently asked a group of my friends (who had all liked the movie) the following question about it, "Can you name the villain, or the actor who played him?" None got the first question, only one the second. You have to admit that a completely non-memorable villain is a significant flaw for a superhero movie.
 
2012-05-07 04:58:08 PM  

alwaysjaded: Obiwontaun:

World war hulk maybe?

That sounds right. I just looked at Amazon and thankfully there is a collection. There was Planet Hulk and World War Hulk and I picked both of them and Civil War.

ReverendLoki:

The first part of this saga, Planet Hulk, has been animated and is currently on Netflix streaming. This was then followed by World War Hulk.

Oh. I just looked at Netflix on my phone and sure enough, there it is. Maybe I'll just watch it instead and get World War Hulk since that one is not on there.


I would still read Planet Hulk before moving on to WW. The movie really didn't show any of the Illuminati stuff at all, so you'll have no motivation for why he comes back to Earth so pissed off. They do something to him at the beginning and something happens after the gladitorial stuff that REALLY sends him over the edge, none of which is touched in the animated show. There are also a few subtle little differences. Planet Hulk was an excellent show but you do need to read the comic still.
 
2012-05-07 04:58:37 PM  

pat34us: Wayne 985: Uchiha_Cycliste: Smelly McUgly: I'm burned out on superhero movies, but I definitely will Netflix this baby. I'm using my free Epix trial to get caught up on Thor and Captain America.

I haven't seen a superhero movie that I loved since Iron Man, which is my favorite of the genre by far, but this has RDJ in it, so it will be at least partially awesome.

Captain America is great, Thor sucked. It sucked bad... really badly. skip it.

I enjoyed Thor (well, I'd give it a "C"). The characters were all likeable and Asgard was amazing. The problem was that Thor's story on Earth felt like small potatoes.

Captain America was more of "B+" or "A-" to me. Great characters, great set pieces, huge and inspiring story, but a few cheeseball moments. Still, I'm really hoping we see more of the Red Skull. Weaving owned that role.

I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.


iseewhatyoudidthere.jpg Now get your ghey out of this thread.
 
2012-05-07 05:03:14 PM  

saintstryfe: Jim from Saint Paul: saintstryfe: Kurmudgeon: willfullyobscure: If nothing else, the man is prophetic. Argue with his taste; can't argue with his insight.

Really? Looked like yet another typical internet movie basher to me.
The whole article you linked to was nothing but an overly wordy troll, not impressed with either the writer's taste or input.
That kind of "insight" is a worthless.

Agreed. Kevin Smith said the something similar: Joss Whedin didn't have a lot of directing to do. He had a fantastic set of actors, an easy script and a goal to just not screw it up. He added several personal touches that worked beautifully.

So considering he co-wrote the script, he gets no credit for making it easy?

You misunderstand me. I am not downing him. He gets most of the credit. Mostly because he didn't screw it up though. It would have been soooo easy.



Hence Armond's incisve criticism- this is recycled, Chinese menu/paint by numbers storytelling and filmmaking with no real heart or creativity in it, but it is finely calculated to hit a wide swath of uncritical pop culture consumers where their wallet is. Thus, Pavlovian- thus, fast food. This movie has all the charm of Subway. Lots of people will eat it but it's never going to more than mediocre ingredients that consumers appreciate because they think they made some kind of personal investment in choosing the final product, but that's a lie.

Whedon was the perfect choice for this, since he is a journeyman movie maker with no interest in making art, and an exceeding skill at making dead tissue appear animate. The film inhabits itself, as it were, but it never truly lives.
 
2012-05-07 05:09:50 PM  

Jim from Saint Paul: Last Man on Earth: Instead, they made the love story the focus of the whole damn movie. This in a movie where the main character is already one long musclebound Nordic shirtless scene.

And this is why my wife liked it. ALOT.


That's why I call Thor the 'Chick Flick' of the comic book movies. The person you can identify with is the human female. Unless...you are a nord.
 
2012-05-07 05:28:11 PM  

DamnYankees: Six_By_Nine: Smelly McUgly: Iron Man was great precisely because I think the writers realized that it would be hard to root for a superhero whose facial expressions are hidden by a mask, so they spent a large chunk of the movie developing Tony as a likable, if immature guy with all the suit-building and testing scenes.

I realize that I'm alone in this, but other than this, the thing that I liked was the Maddie-David "Moonlighting" type chemistry and banter that Tony and Pepper had.

Why are you alone on that? I thought everyone liked that.

It also helps that Gwyneth Paltrow has never, NEVER been as attractive as when she's Pepper Potts. For some reason she is absolutely smoking when she's that character, I have no idea why.


Agreed, isn't that weird?
 
2012-05-07 05:52:14 PM  

ZeroCorpse: DamnYankees: Carth: kronicfeld: Marvel should wake up every day thanking the universe for the existence of Robert Downey Jr.


Avengers is going to do way broader business than TDKR even without Imax and 3D. The theater today was loaded to the gills with kids as young as six or seven. You're not going to see parents taking young kids to the way darker TDKR.

Not sure I buy this - Iron Man and The Dark Knight came out within weeks of each other, a TDK had a much bigger box office than IM. I don't see why we can't apply the same logic here.

Because TDKR looks plodding, dull, and like more of the same navel-gazing we saw in TDK and BB, and a lot of us who paid to see the first two aren't really jazzed to spend $10 to see what looks like a carbon copy of TDK, but with a much less interesting villain.

See, there's the issue: TDK had The Joker being played by a guy who had just died prior to the film's release. People flocked to see Ledger's last performance as one of DC's most-loved characters.

TDKR has a poor-man's version of Bane, played by someone most people don't go out of their way to see.

TDK had big numbers because of that combination of The Joker and recently-dead Ledger. It won't get anywhere near Avengers, now.

On top of that, I think people have had enough of bleak, dark, gritty heroes. We're bored with Batman growling his lines. We're bored with villains who are more like terrorists than supervillains. We're bored with superheroes that mope.

Which is why Amazing Spider-Man will probably have a good opening weekend, and then word-of-mouth will kill it stone dead. Everyone will say "It's Spider-Man done like The Dark Knight Rises." and that will be enough.


Maybe you're tired of good movies, but I'm not.
 
2012-05-07 06:03:57 PM  

Raug the Dwarf: alwaysjaded: Obiwontaun:

World war hulk maybe?

That sounds right. I just looked at Amazon and thankfully there is a collection. There was Planet Hulk and World War Hulk and I picked both of them and Civil War.

ReverendLoki:

The first part of this saga, Planet Hulk, has been animated and is currently on Netflix streaming. This was then followed by World War Hulk.

Oh. I just looked at Netflix on my phone and sure enough, there it is. Maybe I'll just watch it instead and get World War Hulk since that one is not on there.

I would still read Planet Hulk before moving on to WW. The movie really didn't show any of the Illuminati stuff at all, so you'll have no motivation for why he comes back to Earth so pissed off. They do something to him at the beginning and something happens after the gladitorial stuff that REALLY sends him over the edge, none of which is touched in the animated show. There are also a few subtle little differences. Planet Hulk was an excellent show but you do need to read the comic still.


Will do. I still ordered it off Amazon so I'll give it a read. Sounds good.
 
2012-05-07 06:08:29 PM  

pat34us: Lernaeus: JosephFinn: We're seeing it again on Wednesday. Partially just to see Hulk respond to Loki in just the right way.

+1

Alone, worth the price of admission.


That was farking hilarious, I am also seeing it again after the crowds die down. Sold out theaters suck ass.



I don't know. It was a lot of fun seeing this one in a full theater. The audience responses were entertaining. A lot of laughing and applause going on. Our daughter was impressed: She had never seen an audience reaction like that during a movie...
 
2012-05-07 06:10:52 PM  

thejourneyto30: pat34us: I am opposite, I would give Captain America the C, and Thor and A.

This. A co-worker saw Captain America at the midnight showing when it opened. He said it was better than The Dark Knight, which I thought was ridiculously high praise, but figured it would be at least a decent movie.


Better than TDK? No; both as a movie, TDK is head and shoulders above CAPTAIN AMERICA.

But, that doesn't mean CAPTAIN AMERICA is bad. Far from it: it captures the spirit of the Silver Age Cap
comics perfectly, makes very appropriate streamlining of established lore to make for a good movie, and
appropriately namechecks classic characters without descending into fanservice.

For me, my ranking of the Marvel movies is:

1> The Avengers
2> Iron Man
3> Captain America
4> The Incredible Hulk
5>Thor
6>Iron Man 2

But, the saving grace of even my lesser rated movies is that they all built very well toward THE AVENGERS, and
even at their worst they were very enjoyable.
 
2012-05-07 06:21:04 PM  

DjangoStonereaver: For me, my ranking of the Marvel movies is:

1> The Avengers
2> Iron Man
3> Captain America
4> The Incredible Hulk
5>Thor
6>Iron Man 2


I think 90% of movie watchers would going to agree on 1, 2, and 6, which is damned rare.
 
2012-05-07 06:28:28 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: I think 90% of movie watchers would going to agree on 1, 2, and 6, which is damned rare.


I still enjoyed Iron Man 2 more than The Incredible Hulk and Captain America. Maybe I need to see the latter again. Maybe having seen IM2 but not Captain America on the big screen helped. But nothing from Captain America really grabbed me. And I am about 12% gay for Chris Evans, so I was already biased in its favor.
 
2012-05-07 06:28:51 PM  

Fish in a Barrel: DjangoStonereaver: For me, my ranking of the Marvel movies is:

1> The Avengers
2> Iron Man
3> Captain America
4> The Incredible Hulk
5>Thor
6>Iron Man 2

I think 90% of movie watchers would going to agree on 1, 2, and 6, which is damned rare.


And regardless of anyones opinions about the movies that ARENT The Avengers or Iron Man 1, we can all agree that for comic book movies especially, theyre still pretty good. I mean, anyone saying that Thor or IM2 was "terrible, etc"... youve seen Catwoman or Rise of the Silver Surfer or Batman & Robin or Elektra , right? Because at worst, any of the Marvel Studios movies so far have been "not great", which is a far cry still from "bad".
 
2012-05-07 07:17:57 PM  

2CountyFairs: Yeah, I heard the rumors that there was going to be scene where Coulson was shown being turn into Vision. Obviously, that was completely false. But does anyone else think that it may still be a possibility? I might just be grasping at straws here, but after Coulson's death, Fury said something along the lines of "I lost my one good eye". So if Coulson was Fury's "good eye", is it too much of a stretch for him to become "Vision"?


I mentioned it upthread, but the actor is apparently still under contract for more Marvel films. So he could be back. Though those appearances could well just be flashbacks.


Fish in a Barrel: One of my favorite biatcharacters of all time.


Filterpwnd!


ReverendLoki: The bit about how Thor is the only one who can pick up Mjolnir, that it's so heavy even Hulk can't lift it


I was kinda wondering about the physics of that. How is it that it doesn't bring the whole carrier down when it's resting on the deck? Or just crash right though?


chaoswolf: Iron Man 2 (Not sure what happened here. Cheadle sucked, the script was boring.)


Yeah, it's weird, I LOVE Don Cheadle but I much preferred Terrence Howard in that role.
 
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