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2012-05-06 04:09:30 PM
Actually he is talking out of his ass because. Just about every iPhone has an unlimited texting package and Imessage uses data from the clients data package.
 
2012-05-06 04:11:11 PM
Profit is up to $3,580,000,000. Share prices are up by 4%. And you're complaining?

Cry me a farking river. What, a $27.3 million bonus isn't enough for you, you greedy motherfarker?

Torches and pitchforks, people... torches and pitchforks.
 
2012-05-06 04:12:16 PM
"You go home now, fatboy! You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale! Sign say 'All you can eat' not 'You eat all'!"
 
2012-05-06 04:15:20 PM
They are doing everything can can to make sure they only have people paying money for their service that don't use it.

If someone falls in the top x%, say 5% of users, they can say bye-bye to the network. But That is not nationally or by state, that is per regional geographic service area, maybe by tower.

See how that works, juke the stats, can you can do whatever you want.
 
2012-05-06 04:16:17 PM
Att ended my unlimited contract. So I ened Att. Very happy now with Sprint.
 
2012-05-06 04:17:46 PM
AT&T Delenda Est
 
2012-05-06 04:18:24 PM
Time for a maximum wage in this country. I think about $700k per year max is enough for anyone.
 
2012-05-06 04:18:25 PM
Is there any wonder why backbone and last-mile providers alike are resistant to providing more bandwidth to US customers? It provides a neutral playing field for technologies that will disrupt services on which they're making hideous profit margins. I mean 25 cents to send a 150-character message? WTF?
 
2012-05-06 04:19:06 PM

dustman81: I dumped Sprint (paying an ETF to do so), sold my Evo 4G (of which I wasn't able to make use of the 4G) and bought a iPhone 4S and plugged in a Straight Talk SIM. So far, the data speeds have been faster and the signal stronger than I had with Sprint.


I've had Straight Talk (Nokia E71) for about two weeks; I got a call yesterday from an automated system saying I had "excessive data usage". They also shut off my data.

I called the 800 number, and spoke to some chick in the Philippines, and admitted to watching a couple of YouTube clips. (of course I denied using JoikuSpot). She then tried to tell me that I was not allowed to download anything, so I pointed to the TOS which specifically stated that I was permitted to download "legally acquired music".

I think the call came from me using the default e-mail settings that check my e-mail constantly on their network, or maybe I did go over whatever data limit they have arbitrarily set. (They will NOT in any shape, form or fashion admit to any data limit if any kind - the Philippine chick insisted it was unlimited, I was just using it excessively.)

Anyway, do you know what phones I can use the SIM card in? Any ideas what triggers their "excessive" message (data amount or time connected)?
 
2012-05-06 04:21:03 PM

ElLoco: "You go home now, fatboy! You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale! Sign say 'All you can eat' not 'You eat all'!"


"No more data reft! You downroad whole Internet! You put phone down NOW!"
 
2012-05-06 04:25:30 PM

clyph: Profit is up to $3,580,000,000. Share prices are up by 4%. And you're complaining?

Cry me a farking river. What, a $27.3 million bonus isn't enough for you, you greedy motherfarker?

Torches and pitchforks, people... torches and pitchforks.


Exactly. As someone into things like technology, infrastructure, moving forward as a society, I do sometimes wonder what the world would be like, today, in the year 2012, if the billions and trillions of dollars that were funneled into the executives' bank accounts since the 80's were actually used for improving the infrastructure, both physically and in places like telecom, for research and development of new technologies, especially in the energy sectors, you know, kind of like businesses used to do before they were told "Greed is good, Greed works"?

The old AT&T, Ma Bell, had a R&D firm called Bell Labs, you might have heard of it. A great majority of the high technology and inventions we take for granted in modern society today came out of Bell Labs. It was a national treasure. This is what people forget, is the reason we, as society, used to be so great is because we innovated. Today, innovation is seen as a "disruption". I'm not making excuses for a company that would shut your line off if you hooked up your own telephone, but actually using your profits to improve society, then taking a modest amount so you and your family can live very comfortably, shouldn't be taboo. The culture of the 80's has killed our nation and is bringing Western Civilization down with it.

30 years, trillions of dollars that could have been spent on research, we could have probably had renewable, clean energy sources, had revolutionary communications tools, revolutionary breakthroughs in health care. It would be a very different world. A more enlightened one, I imagine. Just imagine what it would be like if we actually cared about our fellow man rather than padding our bank accounts with another $50 mil. But, all those things would have "disrupted" the executives.

Disrupted. Could you imagine people like that and peasants like us being on a level playing field? No wonder we can't have any "disruption". It doesn't just break their "business models". It breaks their socioeconomic control systems too, and us slaves can't be allowed to get too uppity.
 
2012-05-06 04:25:47 PM

ox45tallboy: dustman81: I dumped Sprint (paying an ETF to do so), sold my Evo 4G (of which I wasn't able to make use of the 4G) and bought a iPhone 4S and plugged in a Straight Talk SIM. So far, the data speeds have been faster and the signal stronger than I had with Sprint.

I've had Straight Talk (Nokia E71) for about two weeks; I got a call yesterday from an automated system saying I had "excessive data usage". They also shut off my data.

I called the 800 number, and spoke to some chick in the Philippines, and admitted to watching a couple of YouTube clips. (of course I denied using JoikuSpot). She then tried to tell me that I was not allowed to download anything, so I pointed to the TOS which specifically stated that I was permitted to download "legally acquired music".

I think the call came from me using the default e-mail settings that check my e-mail constantly on their network, or maybe I did go over whatever data limit they have arbitrarily set. (They will NOT in any shape, form or fashion admit to any data limit if any kind - the Philippine chick insisted it was unlimited, I was just using it excessively.)

Anyway, do you know what phones I can use the SIM card in? Any ideas what triggers their "excessive" message (data amount or time connected)?


I've got a microSIM in my iPhone 4S. All I had to do is change the APN and the data started to flow. The AT&T compatible SIM should work in any AT&T or unlocked GSM phone. Just make sure it can operate on the 850 and 1900Mhz bands.
 
2012-05-06 04:27:46 PM
It's interesting how many companies pulled out of unlimited data but let those previously on the stay unlimited.

Huh? AT&T took our 'unlimited' away the first time we bumped up against the 5 Mb level, they just cut the connection. We had to agree to pay $10/Mb in future for any data useage in excess of 5 Mb/month.
 
2012-05-06 04:27:54 PM
I'm reading this on my phone on at&t so I'm hetting a kick....

i had to get a.smartphone for work and my choices were crap ,crap and crap. so i went with the cheapest of them. The work discount helps dull the pain.
 
2012-05-06 04:28:13 PM

spman: I'm posting this from my iPhone right now, so I'm getting a kick. Seriously though, from what I've read, European carriers have no problem at all with capacity and offer unlimited data at even faster speeds than we currently have, so fark you AT&T and your unwillingness to upgrade your systems. And don't even start with the BS about losing revenues from text messages that literally use no data and don't cost anything, but you still have to gaul to charge $30 a month for. fark you.


After spending time in Europe I can say you full of shiat, no carrier has to deal with how spread out the USA is or that people here use their phones a lot(even at dinner) we felt all eyes on us when we used our phones at dinner in Paris. All that said, their speeds are not faster and the biggest thing they have over the USA are phones not tied down to one carrier. Maybe one protocol but not a single carrier.

Bottom line is that if AT&T doesn't like it then shut down users that are over a large threshold every month or drop them when new networks are available.
 
2012-05-06 04:28:41 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Time for a maximum wage in this country. I think about $700k per year max is enough for anyone.


Then every company will move out of this country.
 
2012-05-06 04:29:31 PM

ox45tallboy: dustman81: I dumped Sprint (paying an ETF to do so), sold my Evo 4G (of which I wasn't able to make use of the 4G) and bought a iPhone 4S and plugged in a Straight Talk SIM. So far, the data speeds have been faster and the signal stronger than I had with Sprint.

I've had Straight Talk (Nokia E71) for about two weeks; I got a call yesterday from an automated system saying I had "excessive data usage". They also shut off my data.

I called the 800 number, and spoke to some chick in the Philippines, and admitted to watching a couple of YouTube clips. (of course I denied using JoikuSpot). She then tried to tell me that I was not allowed to download anything, so I pointed to the TOS which specifically stated that I was permitted to download "legally acquired music".

I think the call came from me using the default e-mail settings that check my e-mail constantly on their network, or maybe I did go over whatever data limit they have arbitrarily set. (They will NOT in any shape, form or fashion admit to any data limit if any kind - the Philippine chick insisted it was unlimited, I was just using it excessively.)

Anyway, do you know what phones I can use the SIM card in? Any ideas what triggers their "excessive" message (data amount or time connected)?


Usually the E71 SIM cards can be used in any AT&T homed or unlocked GSM phone. I use a Straight Talk SIM in an iPhone 3GS, and have never triggered the data usage message, but I've noticed a lot of things that work on my other phones, just doesn't work on ST. Certain streaming sites, music downloads, checking mail occasionally fails...just kind of quirky.

That's why I wanted to test it out, for screwing around ST is fine, but I wouldn't rely on them for my everyday usage. If I want to stream or watch a movie or whatever, I don't want any arbitrary blocking or limits, which is why ST is $45 a month, but you should be able to use the SIM in any phone you want to.
 
2012-05-06 04:33:52 PM

alewis14151: It's interesting how many companies pulled out of unlimited data but let those previously on the stay unlimited.

Huh? AT&T took our 'unlimited' away the first time we bumped up against the 5 Mb level, they just cut the connection. We had to agree to pay $10/Mb in future for any data useage in excess of 5 Mb/month.


You might want to re-check all those numbers. AT&T has never taken anyone's unlimited data away that I know of. They've threatened to throttle, try to coerce you to drop to metered, lots of underhanded tricks, but if they actually *removed* a feature, I'd be livid.

Then again, this is why I won't do business with this type of corporate scum. And I'm not sure where the 5MB a month is coming from, that's about two MP3 downloads. Did you mean 5GB? Because that's not too bad. Most people I know get harassed around the 2.5GB mark on AT&T unlimited. Last month on my Verizon unlimited, pulled down 11.2GB, and didn't get any messages from them except the one thanking me for paying my bill.
 
2012-05-06 04:34:38 PM

Hunter_S_Thompson: clyph: Profit is up to $3,580,000,000. Share prices are up by 4%. And you're complaining?

Cry me a farking river. What, a $27.3 million bonus isn't enough for you, you greedy motherfarker?

Torches and pitchforks, people... torches and pitchforks.

Exactly. As someone into things like technology, infrastructure, moving forward as a society, I do sometimes wonder what the world would be like, today, in the year 2012, if the billions and trillions of dollars that were funneled into the executives' bank accounts since the 80's were actually used for improving the infrastructure, both physically and in places like telecom, for research and development of new technologies, especially in the energy sectors, you know, kind of like businesses used to do before they were told "Greed is good, Greed works"?

The old AT&T, Ma Bell, had a R&D firm called Bell Labs, you might have heard of it. A great majority of the high technology and inventions we take for granted in modern society today came out of Bell Labs. It was a national treasure. This is what people forget, is the reason we, as society, used to be so great is because we innovated. Today, innovation is seen as a "disruption". I'm not making excuses for a company that would shut your line off if you hooked up your own telephone, but actually using your profits to improve society, then taking a modest amount so you and your family can live very comfortably, shouldn't be taboo. The culture of the 80's has killed our nation and is bringing Western Civilization down with it.

30 years, trillions of dollars that could have been spent on research, we could have probably had renewable, clean energy sources, had revolutionary communications tools, revolutionary breakthroughs in health care. It would be a very different world. A more enlightened one, I imagine. Just imagine what it would be like if we actually cared about our fellow man rather than padding our bank accounts with another $50 mil. But, all those thin ...



-Commie
 
2012-05-06 04:34:57 PM
"You lie awake at night worrying about what is that which will disrupt your business model,"

Maybe, now just *maybe* it would be a good idea to come up with ideas for future business models instead of just keeping your fingers crossed that the old one will just keep chugging along.

What is it with Phone, TV, and Car companies all put their heads in the sand when changes are coming????
 
2012-05-06 04:35:36 PM

GAT_00: Crosshair: The reason they don't have as much of a problem is because Europe has a much smaller area to cover and higher population.

You should tell that to Norway which has FAR lower people per square mile and yet offers high speed internet access in rural areas that surpasses even NYC.

But then again, that doesn't play into your capitalism is perfect and awesome bullshiat, so you don't mention stuff like that.


Where are you getting your statistics because the stats I find in Norway list $30 per month for 512/128 kbit/s ADSL and $82 for 24/1.5 Mbit/s ADSL2+.as the cheapest available. My uncle pays less than that for DSL on his farm in the middle of North Dakota. (Don't know the speed.) I pay $47 per month for 20/3 Mbit in Grand Forks.

Norwegian Post and Telecommunications Authority

I don't think I've ever said that capitalism is perfect, what it CAN do however is recognize when an economic mistake has been made, while government keeps pouring YOUR tax money into failure.

IBM thought that mainframe computers were the future in the early 80's, Steve Jobs and Bill Gates thought it was the PC. A central planner would have backed IBM. IBM lost billions in the early 1990's because of that misstep. Their losses was the market telling them that they had screwed up and they stopped building so many mainframes. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates massive profits was the market telling them that they were doing it right.

That pesky economic calculation problem keeps whacking socialists in the face with a baseball bat and they keep thinking they can get it to work.
 
2012-05-06 04:38:00 PM

TheGreatGazoo: I'm on the $35 Virgin Mobile plan for Android. $110 phone, no contract, and I get 300 minutes, 2.5 GB of data, and unlimited texting. Yes, the data rate sucks, and the Android phone is a couple of years old, but it works for what I need it to do.


Ditto. As long as you don't spend 75% of yer day on your phone, Virgin's a decent, cheap option (so far).
 
2012-05-06 04:39:43 PM

ox45tallboy: ElLoco: "You go home now, fatboy! You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale! Sign say 'All you can eat' not 'You eat all'!"

"No more data reft! You downroad whole Internet! You put phone down NOW!"


pressroom.pgharts.org

Great bit.
 
2012-05-06 04:41:21 PM

Hunter_S_Thompson: Usually the E71 SIM cards can be used in any AT&T homed or unlocked GSM phone. I use a Straight Talk SIM in an iPhone 3GS, and have never triggered the data usage message, but I've noticed a lot of things that work on my other phones, just doesn't work on ST. Certain streaming sites, music downloads, checking mail occasionally fails...just kind of quirky.

That's why I wanted to test it out, for screwing around ST is fine, but I wouldn't rely on them for my everyday usage. If I want to stream or watch a movie or whatever, I don't want any arbitrary blocking or limits, which is why ST is $45 a month, but you should be able to use the SIM in any phone you want to.


I'm curious because I had to give the serial number of the phone as well as the SIM when I set up the service. The guy I was speaking with told me I should be able to switch it out to a different Nokia such as the E5 without a problem, but if it was a phone from a different manufacturer, I would need to contact them first.

This was also the same company that said I had "unlimited" data, but I was using it "excessively", so I take that with a grain of salt. They also told me when I called about the "excessive data use" message that I was "not allowed" to view YouTube videos, even though they sent me a phone WITH A FARKING YOUTUBE APP ON IT.

dustman81: I've got a microSIM in my iPhone 4S. All I had to do is change the APN and the data started to flow. The AT&T compatible SIM should work in any AT&T or unlocked GSM phone. Just make sure it can operate on the 850 and 1900Mhz bands.


I think I need to learn more about this before I undertake this task. Also, do you get 4G off of your iPhone? I know the AT&T tower near me supports 4G, but my e71 only supports "3.5G", and I know they can arbitrarily limit data rates for certain customers on a whim.
 
2012-05-06 04:42:04 PM

LemSkroob: "You lie awake at night worrying about what is that which will disrupt your business model,"

Maybe, now just *maybe* it would be a good idea to come up with ideas for future business models instead of just keeping your fingers crossed that the old one will just keep chugging along.

What is it with Phone, TV, and Car companies all put their heads in the sand when changes are coming????


This is exactly what the music industry is doing. They know the technology is advancing, that other business models exist, and they just want to hate them to death...
 
2012-05-06 04:42:09 PM
LemSkroob
What is it with Phone, TV, and Car companies all put their heads in the sand when changes are coming????


Don't forget music and video entertainment.

Gregosaurus
TheGreatGazoo: I'm on the $35 Virgin Mobile plan for Android. $110 phone, no contract, and I get 300 minutes, 2.5 GB of data, and unlimited texting. Yes, the data rate sucks, and the Android phone is a couple of years old, but it works for what I need it to do.
Ditto. As long as you don't spend 75% of yer day on your phone, Virgin's a decent, cheap option (so far).


They recently just put data caps in. Not sure if that is good or bad.
 
2012-05-06 04:42:14 PM

alewis14151: It's interesting how many companies pulled out of unlimited data but let those previously on the stay unlimited.

Huh? AT&T took our 'unlimited' away the first time we bumped up against the 5 Mb level, they just cut the connection. We had to agree to pay $10/Mb in future for any data useage in excess of 5 Mb/month.


verizon let me keep my unlimited plan.
 
2012-05-06 04:43:56 PM

Crosshair: The reason they don't have as much of a problem is because Europe has a much smaller area to cover and higher population. To cover the empty areas of the US, which the US government requires them to do, costs a lot of money. Europe needs less infrastructure over a smaller area to serve more people, which means lower costs for them vs US companies.


Know how I can tell you failed both geography and "basic googling 101"?

Land area of Europe: 3,930,520 sq miles (10,180,000 km²)

Land area of USA: 3,794,100 sq miles (9,826,675 km²)
 
2012-05-06 04:46:17 PM

ox45tallboy: Hunter_S_Thompson: Usually the E71 SIM cards can be used in any AT&T homed or unlocked GSM phone. I use a Straight Talk SIM in an iPhone 3GS, and have never triggered the data usage message, but I've noticed a lot of things that work on my other phones, just doesn't work on ST. Certain streaming sites, music downloads, checking mail occasionally fails...just kind of quirky.

That's why I wanted to test it out, for screwing around ST is fine, but I wouldn't rely on them for my everyday usage. If I want to stream or watch a movie or whatever, I don't want any arbitrary blocking or limits, which is why ST is $45 a month, but you should be able to use the SIM in any phone you want to.

I'm curious because I had to give the serial number of the phone as well as the SIM when I set up the service. The guy I was speaking with told me I should be able to switch it out to a different Nokia such as the E5 without a problem, but if it was a phone from a different manufacturer, I would need to contact them first.

This was also the same company that said I had "unlimited" data, but I was using it "excessively", so I take that with a grain of salt. They also told me when I called about the "excessive data use" message that I was "not allowed" to view YouTube videos, even though they sent me a phone WITH A FARKING YOUTUBE APP ON IT.

dustman81: I've got a microSIM in my iPhone 4S. All I had to do is change the APN and the data started to flow. The AT&T compatible SIM should work in any AT&T or unlocked GSM phone. Just make sure it can operate on the 850 and 1900Mhz bands.

I think I need to learn more about this before I undertake this task. Also, do you get 4G off of your iPhone? I know the AT&T tower near me supports 4G, but my e71 only supports "3.5G", and I know they can arbitrarily limit data rates for certain customers on a whim.


I get the HSPA+ version of 4G.
 
2012-05-06 04:48:55 PM

Hunter_S_Thompson: alewis14151: It's interesting how many companies pulled out of unlimited data but let those previously on the stay unlimited.

Huh? AT&T took our 'unlimited' away the first time we bumped up against the 5 Mb level, they just cut the connection. We had to agree to pay $10/Mb in future for any data useage in excess of 5 Mb/month.

You might want to re-check all those numbers. AT&T has never taken anyone's unlimited data away that I know of. They've threatened to throttle, try to coerce you to drop to metered, lots of underhanded tricks, but if they actually *removed* a feature, I'd be livid.

Then again, this is why I won't do business with this type of corporate scum. And I'm not sure where the 5MB a month is coming from, that's about two MP3 downloads. Did you mean 5GB? Because that's not too bad. Most people I know get harassed around the 2.5GB mark on AT&T unlimited. Last month on my Verizon unlimited, pulled down 11.2GB, and didn't get any messages from them except the one thanking me for paying my bill.


I'm still grandfathered in on my unlimited iPhone data plan, and usually pull between 4 and 5 gigs per month. AT&T starts sending me harassing texts about 3 weeks into my billing cycle when I'm approaching the 3 gig mark, but I don't think they've ever actually throttled me. The problem is that these limits they set just aren't realistic. I wouldn't even describe myself as being a heavy user, I run some apps, watch some short videos on Youtube, and surf the web on my phone, and even that alone is enough over the course of a month to rack up data usage. If you want to cap data at, say, 10 gigs, I'd be ok with that, I've never even come close to approaching that, even when I worked at a call center and was streaming Netflix and NBA on my phone 8 hours a day 5 days a week, but 3 gigs ain't shiat.
 
2012-05-06 04:49:50 PM

Hunter_S_Thompson: I know I'm nothing but a ATM to the big companies, but at least Verizon and Sprint have the wherewithal to not publicly announce how pissed they are that I use their service and it would be a lot cooler if I just paid them a bunch of money and left my phone turned off.


Uh, have you been paying attention to what Verizon has been doing in the last few years? Continuing to reduce discounts on phones (and reducing the quality of their non-Smart phones)? Increasing costs for limited data? No affordable unlimited plan, unless you're grandfathered in (and they'll probably take that away pretty soon)? And the cost is ABSURD compared to what you can get from just about ANY non-major-brand pre-paid plan available in America (Virgin, StraightTalk, Boost, etc).

I've had Verizon for years, and I have FOUR phones through them. When my contract expires on each phone, I'm considering dropping them piece by piece and going with another service. Frankly, I'm tired of paying so damn much money, even IF I've actually had good service for the majority of these years.

The big carriers are pretty much the same. Hell, at this point, I have more respect for Sprint than any of them.
 
2012-05-06 04:50:44 PM

hubiestubert: LemSkroob: "You lie awake at night worrying about what is that which will disrupt your business model,"

Maybe, now just *maybe* it would be a good idea to come up with ideas for future business models instead of just keeping your fingers crossed that the old one will just keep chugging along.

What is it with Phone, TV, and Car companies all put their heads in the sand when changes are coming????

This is exactly what the music industry is doing. They know the technology is advancing, that other business models exist, and they just want to hate them to death...


Of course. Would you like it if you were doing pretty well for yourself without a lot of effort, and then someone came along and made your job obsolete?

I always hated the story about John Henry. How am I supposed to respect someone who dies to prove their old way of doing things is marginally better than the prototype of a new technology? Everyone knows the day after he beat the steam drill, his co-workers all got laid off and the boss man put in an order for 100 or so steam drills.

Why didn't he just go to work as a steam drill operator, which would be less physically demanding?

That's how I view the record industry right now, as a modern John Henry. They're willing to kill bankrupt themselves rather than adapt to a newer, more efficient way of doing things.
 
2012-05-06 04:51:59 PM
Incidentally, two of the users, literally, do not use data or text messaging. And as a group we have a very limited number of minutes, though at least M2M and off peak minutes are free.
 
2012-05-06 04:53:19 PM

TomD9938: ox45tallboy: ElLoco: "You go home now, fatboy! You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale! Sign say 'All you can eat' not 'You eat all'!"

"No more data reft! You downroad whole Internet! You put phone down NOW!"



Great bit.


Sad that they guy died of diabetes complications.
 
2012-05-06 04:53:28 PM

dustman81: I get the HSPA+ version of 4G.


Do you stream much content, or try to keep a low profile with the data usage?
 
2012-05-06 04:55:43 PM

TomD9938: ox45tallboy: ElLoco: "You go home now, fatboy! You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale! Sign say 'All you can eat' not 'You eat all'!"

"No more data reft! You downroad whole Internet! You put phone down NOW!"

[pressroom.pgharts.org image 300x300]

Great bit.


If you're an Asian comic, just get up and say, "My mother's got the weirdest farking accent"
Then just do a Chinese accent
'Cause everybody laughs at the Chinese accent
Because they privately thought that your people were laughable and now you've given them the chance to express that in public.
 
2012-05-06 04:57:01 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: TomD9938: ox45tallboy: ElLoco: "You go home now, fatboy! You been here four hour! You frighten my wife! You eat more than killer whale! Sign say 'All you can eat' not 'You eat all'!"

"No more data reft! You downroad whole Internet! You put phone down NOW!"



Great bit.

Sad that they guy died of diabetes complications.


3.bp.blogspot.com

Even more sadly, downloading this image just put you over your data limit.
 
2012-05-06 04:57:45 PM

Weaver95: sure, you could vote to change things...but honestly, the corporations already own everyone you're allowed to choose from.


Fixed that for you.
 
2012-05-06 04:58:35 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: costs


.
.
In Japan the internet is four times faster at 1/4 the cost. Over there they have something we don't have here, free markets and true capitalism.
 
2012-05-06 04:59:01 PM

spman: I'm posting this from my iPhone right now, so I'm getting a kick. Seriously though, from what I've read, European carriers have no problem at all with capacity and offer unlimited data at even faster speeds than we currently have, so fark you AT&T and your unwillingness to upgrade your systems. And don't even start with the BS about losing revenues from text messages that literally use no data and don't cost anything, but you still have to gaul to charge $30 a month for. fark you.


While I sympathize with the sentiment, this brings to mind a phenomena worth thinking about. What if, instead of him being an evil, dishonest scumbag, he really does believe that he is (or his company is, or its shareholders are) unfairly losing money? I'm not saying that they ARE of course, I'm just saying, what if he BELIEVES they are.

I'm reminded of a study they did involving cutting a cake into equal portions (using scientific instruments to make sure that each piece was EXACTLY the same size), giving them out to children, and then asking the children who had the largest piece. Almost invariably each kid asked claimed that somebody had a larger piece than him. The old expression "the grass is always greener on the other side" seems to be something deeply engrained in human nature.

Self-Serving Biases in Bargaining: Explaining Impasse

I guess what I'm trying to say is, yeah, he's a jerk, but the real tragedy is that he has no idea that he's a jerk, and simply would not believe you if you presented to him very compelling reasons why he was a crapwaffle.
 
2012-05-06 05:00:33 PM

david_gaithersburg: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: costs

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In Japan the internet is four times faster at 1/4 the cost. Over there they have something we don't have here, free markets and true capitalism.


And that yucky, icky Socialized Medicine.
 
2012-05-06 05:02:18 PM

Hunter_S_Thompson: alewis14151: It's interesting how many companies pulled out of unlimited data but let those previously on the stay unlimited.

Huh? AT&T took our 'unlimited' away the first time we bumped up against the 5 Mb level, they just cut the connection. We had to agree to pay $10/Mb in future for any data useage in excess of 5 Mb/month.

You might want to re-check all those numbers. AT&T has never taken anyone's unlimited data away that I know of. They've threatened to throttle, try to coerce you to drop to metered, lots of underhanded tricks, but if they actually *removed* a feature, I'd be livid.

Then again, this is why I won't do business with this type of corporate scum. And I'm not sure where the 5MB a month is coming from, that's about two MP3 downloads. Did you mean 5GB? Because that's not too bad. Most people I know get harassed around the 2.5GB mark on AT&T unlimited. Last month on my Verizon unlimited, pulled down 11.2GB, and didn't get any messages from them except the one thanking me for paying my bill.


Cool story. My buddy's mom was on the phone with AT&T, and they go 'oh hey you don't use your minutes, why don't I save you some money and lower them?' They lower the minutes, also take away night and weekends, mobile to mobile, and unlimited data, so of course their bill is twice what it used to be. She calls and says 'what gives' and they agree she was deceived and restored everything but the unlimited data. They say 'we could restore it, but your son walked into a store a couple months ago and asked us to cancel it.' Yes, they claimed he asked for his unlimited data to be removed, without any benefit. Oddly enough they couldn't figure out what employee did this when, so then it became 'maybe someone called in with his social.' To be continued, it looks like my buddy's not getting his unlimited data back.
 
2012-05-06 05:03:45 PM

ArkAngel: "And it's a variable cost model. Every additional megabyte you use in this network, I have to invest capital."

So that means that you're going to give text messages away for free because they cost you nothing, right?


Jebus, does that guy really know how his IT equipment actually works? The capital was already invested idiot when you bought the servers. Unless you bought your own windfarm or something, your expense is electricity, replacement parts and some guy named Wayne to run shiat.

I read that article and came away with the feeling "Well shiat, I only made 6 million last year and I wanted 30."
 
2012-05-06 05:05:35 PM

Hunter_S_Thompson: ox45tallboy: dustman81: I dumped Sprint (paying an ETF to do so), sold my Evo 4G (of which I wasn't able to make use of the 4G) and bought a iPhone 4S and plugged in a Straight Talk SIM. So far, the data speeds have been faster and the signal stronger than I had with Sprint.

I've had Straight Talk (Nokia E71) for about two weeks; I got a call yesterday from an automated system saying I had "excessive data usage". They also shut off my data.

I called the 800 number, and spoke to some chick in the Philippines, and admitted to watching a couple of YouTube clips. (of course I denied using JoikuSpot). She then tried to tell me that I was not allowed to download anything, so I pointed to the TOS which specifically stated that I was permitted to download "legally acquired music".

I think the call came from me using the default e-mail settings that check my e-mail constantly on their network, or maybe I did go over whatever data limit they have arbitrarily set. (They will NOT in any shape, form or fashion admit to any data limit if any kind - the Philippine chick insisted it was unlimited, I was just using it excessively.)

Anyway, do you know what phones I can use the SIM card in? Any ideas what triggers their "excessive" message (data amount or time connected)?

Usually the E71 SIM cards can be used in any AT&T homed or unlocked GSM phone. I use a Straight Talk SIM in an iPhone 3GS, and have never triggered the data usage message, but I've noticed a lot of things that work on my other phones, just doesn't work on ST. Certain streaming sites, music downloads, checking mail occasionally fails...just kind of quirky.

That's why I wanted to test it out, for screwing around ST is fine, but I wouldn't rely on them for my everyday usage. If I want to stream or watch a movie or whatever, I don't want any arbitrary blocking or limits, which is why ST is $45 a month, but you should be able to use the SIM in any phone you want to.


What these Straight Talk sims you guys are talking about?

Linky?
 
2012-05-06 05:09:14 PM
"And it's a variable cost model. Every additional megabyte you use in this network, I have to invest capital."

No, Randall, you don't invest capital. AT&T does. You operate the company; you don't own it. However when you threw 4 billion down the toilet of AT&T's money you lost only a couple million yourself while every non-wireless budget was slashed to pay off the other 398 million YOU lost on a bad deal you made.

AT&T executives are the worst stereotype of executive procedural myrmidons ever.

Hunter_S_Thompson: The old AT&T, Ma Bell, had a R&D firm called Bell Labs, you might have heard of it. A great majority of the high technology and inventions we take for granted in modern society today came out of Bell Labs. It was a national treasure. This is what people forget, is the reason we, as society, used to be so great is because we innovated. Today, innovation is seen as a "disruption". I'm not making excuses for a company that would shut your line off if you hooked up your own telephone, but actually using your profits to improve society, then taking a modest amount so you and your family can live very comfortably, shouldn't be taboo. The culture of the 80's has killed our nation and is bringing Western Civilization down with it.


Check the history. Bell Labs was spun off during divestiture because MCI and other politically connected companies saw money in breaking up the Bell monopoly. Average citizens saw cheap long distance. Nobody realized that cutting up the beast caused the subsidized local phone monopolies to end and lead to a generation of managed stagnation in local phone service.
 
2012-05-06 05:15:26 PM

HempHead: What these Straight Talk sims you guys are talking about?

Linky?


Some of the Straight Talk phones use AT&T SIMs. For example, you can get a refurbished Nokia e71 directly from their website for $49.95 + tax with free shipping (if there's a Wal-Mart in your state, you have to pay sales tax). The idea is buy a phone with a SIM, get the phone set up, then take out the SIM and put it in a more fully-featured phone that Straight Talk doesn't exactly support. Straight Talk is none the wiser, since they're actually reselling AT&T's service and can't directly view the AT&T network. As far as AT&T is concerned, you're just another phone on their network.

It probably violates the TOS six ways from zero, but who the fark cares when the companies change the TOS whenever they feel like it and you can either pay them their money under the new terms or lose your service.
 
2012-05-06 05:19:51 PM

dustman81: sammyk: hubiestubert: AT&T is doing its damn best to push me towards Verizon.

And I really despise Verizon, but they'd at least give me a break on my internet/phone coverage.

I can't speak to individual plans but after much research Sprint had the best family plan for me. Sprint and Verizon roam free on each others network so comparing them is pointless. I would have to say Verizon has a slightly better 4G network if that's your thing.

4 lines, 3 Iphone 4s and one Evo 4G, all you can eat for $210/month. Of course I get a sweet %24 corp discount but that did not figure into choosing Sprint because everyone gives us a great discount.

I know there a Sprint haterz and I'm not going to argue with them. It was the best plan for my family.

I would say Verizon has a much better 4G network than Sprint does. Verizon and AT&T have LTE where I live. Sprint doesn't have any flavor of 4G (LTE or WiMax).

I dumped Sprint (paying an ETF to do so), sold my Evo 4G (of which I wasn't able to make use of the 4G) and bought a iPhone 4S and plugged in a Straight Talk SIM. So far, the data speeds have been faster and the signal stronger than I had with Sprint.


Pretty meaningless distinction for 99% of users. No one is serving content at 15 mbps , so the speed is meaningless. You can stream HD video pretty nicely to a 3-4" screen pretty nicely with 3G. 4G speeds might save you a couple of seconds. The only time that kind of speed is necessary is if you are running a network with multiple users. Not many are doing that on their phone.

I have a 4G sprint phone.........and if they would let me drop the 4G coverage I would. Its really not worth it.
 
2012-05-06 05:20:53 PM

ox45tallboy: HempHead:
Some of the Straight Talk phones use AT&T SIMs. For example, you can get a refurbished Nokia e71 directly from their website for $49.95 + tax with free shipping (if there's a Wal-Mart in your state, you have to pay sales tax).


Well Wally World is just up the street from me and I'm in Oregon. No sales tax!

/even though they raise prices slightly to offset that it's still cheaper.
 
2012-05-06 05:20:55 PM

Jamdug!: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Time for a maximum wage in this country. I think about $700k per year max is enough for anyone.

Then every company will move out of this country.


Fine. We just require that all revenue made from US citizens as customers must remain in the US.
 
2012-05-06 05:22:02 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: As a Canadian, I'd just like to take the time to say a big "fark you" to Rogers.


I did that a long time ago. Unlimited talk/text/data for $25/month w/Mobilicity, OTA/downloads/streaming free for TV and cable internet for $35/month with a 300gb cap with Teksavvy. I will never put money in the hands of the greasy Robellus ever again.

Love this quote: "You lie awake at night worrying about what is that which will disrupt your business model,"... oh really Mr. Gready corporate millionaire... well how about you get yourself an adaptive and agile business model instead of whining about how the future is eating into your archaic plans?
 
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