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2012-05-06 01:02:13 PM
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2012-05-06 07:46:39 PM
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Chimperror2: abb3w: You guys don't understand. You've already lost. The current generation doesn't care.

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/Ob

You just have to convince Obama now.


He's no fool. He won't say anything before the election.
2012-05-06 05:16:41 PM
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This may sound off the wall, but could Obama be concerned about retaining his popularity with black moderates and liberals? The so-called NC Marriage Amendment (to ban civil unions and gay marriage) is on the ballot here Tuesday, and a tremendous amount of support is coming from black churches. In their view of same-sex unions as somehow a real threat to their families, some have so vigorously adopted a conservative stance (heh heh) on this subject that, to my mind, they could potentially be courted as single-issue voters.
2012-05-06 03:01:52 PM
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abb3w: Lots of uber-useful information about polls and statistics for those of you who are Google-challenged


Bless you. Thank you. :) Motherload of information!
2012-05-06 02:56:20 PM
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Lenny_da_Hog: The current generation doesn't vote, either.


That they're less likely does play a factor. Contrariwise....

LeoffDaGrate: Maybe I'm being foolish, but I highly doubt that people were openly polled between 1911 and 1960 on whether homosexuals should have the right to be married.

odinsposse: That's by age cohort, meaning each group consists the people born in that time frame.


Ding.

Reverend J: I asked the same question a few days ago, and the answer is the number are by cohort (age group) not the year they were asked. Though still haven't see the reference.

LeoffDaGrate: Can you please show me where I can find these poll results?


The Source is the US General Social Survey.
You can use the interface at Berkeley's SDA archive.
Row is MARHOMO.
Column is a recode on COHORT.
The filter is YEAR(2004-2010) -- aggregated to get a slightly larger N value (which I admit is a little sloppy, since attitudes are changing within the cohorts). The question was also asked in 1988, but the shift since then has been pretty massive. If you're curious, you can use YEAR as a control.

You can also download the whole GSS dataset from NORC, and play with it in SPSS, STATA, R, or various other statistical packages, if you prefer.

LockeOak: That's why it ends in 1992 (presumably the graph is a couple of years old and that's when people born in 1992 could vote).

LazarusLong42: They polled people recently. From the fact that it stops with 1992, the youngest voters in 2010, I'm betting it was a 2010 poll.


Ding. 18 and up; surveying minors often involves pain-in-the-as parental permission, and much higher standards for Human Subjects Research approval. Thus, GSS-2010 only surveyed 1992 and earlier... though the graph actually aggregates 2004-2010 data. GSS-2012 will be out next year, and go up to 1994.

Lenny_da_Hog: There was no great awakening in the minds of youth that suddenly turned the table.


Not across the board. However, there was a major shift in attitude from one generation to the next. Yes, there were still some racists after the 60s, and there's still some anti-gay bigots in the current generation. However, the younger cohorts continue to have less tendency.

It's not a digital flip-of-the-switch, but more an analog transition.

DeaH: It is clear to everyone but the most willfully obtuse that these are modern polls that group people by the decade they were born.


Actually, no. It's clear to those paying attention. However, even some reasonably intelligent farkers don't read the caption closely when first going WTF.

LeoffDaGrate: I, and apparently others in here, were unsure of the polling method.


If you're interested, tedious methodology details here.
2012-05-06 02:02:39 PM
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abb3w: You guys don't understand. You've already lost. The current generation doesn't care.

/Ob


Somehow I'm strongly doubting the accuracy, or even the existence, of the data for your graph. Maybe I'm being foolish, but I highly doubt that people were openly polled between 1911 and 1960 on whether homosexuals should have the right to be married. Can you please show me where I can find these poll results?
2012-05-06 01:57:11 PM
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That's the nice thing about knowing al those bigots in the bible belt aren't going to vote for your team no matter what. You can just come right out and say stuff like this.
2012-05-06 01:56:21 PM
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If he wasn't too old to run in 2016, I'd vote Biden for president in a heartbeat.
2012-05-06 01:43:41 PM
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abb3w: You guys don't understand. You've already lost. The current generation doesn't care.


The current generation doesn't vote, either.

Give a little credit to the older generation who fought to bring it this far, and stop making it an age issue.
 
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