Lenny_da_Hog: abb3w: Society makes progress, one funeral at a time....

Evolution is not goal-oriented.

Progress, on the other hand, is.

yeah, well your boss is against it Joe. Talk to him, not the press.

But then again, this is coming from the same genius who predicted 500k new jobs per month 18 months ago.

abb3w: Actually, no. It's clear to those paying attention. However, even some reasonably intelligent farkers don't read the caption closely when first going WTF.

I don't read the caption. I didn't need to. It's very clear from the graph that people are being grouped by decade of birth. I honestly do not understand how reasonably intelligent people can look at that and say, "It's ridiculous that people were polled about feelings toward gay rights in 1911," without then coming to the logical conclusion, "So ridiculous, in fact, that it's not what's going on here. Obviously people are being grouped by their decade of birth. Which makes more sense, so that must be what's going on here."

If, in fact, you are correct that intelligent people can do reach the first conclusion without coming to the second, we have a serious problem with our society. I am not sure if it's a matter education or a matter of so many "think tanks" spewing false shiat all about that smart people can no longer rely on their internal capacity to reason.

LeoffDaGrate: For the record, this is what the word cohort at the top if the chart means.

Gotcha. Apologies. Turns out I wasn't foolish, just ignorant of the "Cohort" polling data.

Don't let them fool you. "Cohort" refers to the relevant subdivision of the Roman Legion being polled. Data suggest that the more experienced triarii remain opposed to gay marriage, while the hastati in the first battle line are generally in favor.

The Obama Administration's failure to come out in support of gay marriage is a disappointment (albeit a foreseen one since he never supported it while running).

Lenny_da_Hog: tenpoundsofcheese: But then again, this is coming from the same genius who predicted 500k new jobs per month 18 months ago.

Liar. He said it said between 250K and 500K.

is 500k between 250k and 500k?
according to reality it is.

500k was one of the likely outcomes according to Biden.

Lionel Mandrake: tenp0unds0fderp: yeah, well your boss is against it Joe. Talk to him, not the press.

But then again, this is coming from the same genius who predicted 500k new jobs per month 18 months ago.

Yeah, I'm sure he and Obama have never discussed it. If they had, you would have heard about it on FOX, right?

Of course, if he hadn't answered Gregory's question, you'd be whining about that, too.

You're such a predictable little troll.

can't attack the message, so attack the messenger.
more of the left's politics of personal destruction.

not surprising from you.

I'm beginning to think that there are far more miserable people on this planet than there are happy people.

I don't care if a person wants to marry another person based on some voodoo god, does it poke, does it get poked, or some other damned reason why someone shouldn't be married based on something as silly as the aforementioned methods of preventing such an act to take place.

People that are happily involved in a relationship that wish to take it one step further to provide themselves some fact of their relationship to the state shouldn't have any problems. The happier you make people, then by proxy, people around them will eventually be happy for them or at the very least by some process become happy.

You miserable twits out there that think it is against nature, some book, or other unmentioned article of idiocy to have a marriage be between a man and a woman rather than the same sex should question your own marriage. Are you happy? I'm not talking about the happy that comes from winning the lottery or some form of chance. I'm talking about seeing a baby smile because the baby is simply experiencing a moment of joy in its brain.

This world would be better if people would just stop being miserable twits over issues that aren't really a big issue and focus on issues that really matter.

Lenny_da_Hog: Biological Ali: Lenny_da_Hog: abb3w: Society makes progress, one funeral at a time....

Evolution is not goal-oriented.

Progress, on the other hand, is.

Progress to the Teabaggers is exactly the opposite of progress to liberals.

Go figure.

Exactly, which is why said progress involves the funerals of the demographic that the Teabaggers belong to.

Lenny_da_Hog: tenpoundsofcheese: is 500k between 250k and 500k?

No. It is exactly 500K.

.

so when 0bama promised 5,000,000 green jobs, that is exactly 5,000,000 then and anything less is him breaking his promise?

got it.

Hipster Dick Cheney was a VP in favour of gay marriage years ago.

Lionel Mandrake: tenp0unds0fderp: Lionel Mandrake: tenp0unds0fderp: yeah, well your boss is against it Joe. Talk to him, not the press.

But then again, this is coming from the same genius who predicted 500k new jobs per month 18 months ago.

Yeah, I'm sure he and Obama have never discussed it. If they had, you would have heard about it on FOX, right?

Of course, if he hadn't answered Gregory's question, you'd be whining about that, too.

You're such a predictable little troll.

can't attack the message, so attack the messenger.
more of the left's politics of personal destruction.

not surprising from you.

I attacked the message (only by attacking the messenger) and the messenger, fool.




so you admit that you attacked the messenger.

The good news is that I forgive you because I understand that that is the best you can do.

spongeboob: Gaylos-Lobos.

Gaylos-Lesbos.

DeaH: So, you really want me to believe that you thought it was possible that someone was trying to say that people in 1911 were being polled about gay rights?

You... you do know where you're posting, right? This is Fark. With such idiots as winterwhile, and trolls as tenpoundsofcheese and others, I could just as easily say that you're the bigger fool for thinking others in here don't reply based on bias, knee-jerk reactions, with malus or ignorance, or even to go for a laugh.simply glossing over subjects.

See, I've admitted my foolishness. Now why don't you admit yours? Or, to put it in terms you'll understand: "So you really want me to believe that you thought it was impossible for a person never to make a snap judgement and make a mistake, here, in Fark?"

Wow, you are a know-it all. We shall all bow to your massive intellect from now on. That's if you'll even notice, sitting on so high a pedestal.

I'd put you on ignore, but I fear you're far too intelligent to simply let some forum filters get in your way to needlessly insult a total stranger, so I won't bother.

Lionel Mandrake: tenp0unds0fderp: so you admit that you attacked the messenger.

The good news is that I forgive you because I understand that that is the best you can do.

Of course I attacked the messenger. The messenger is an idiot. As is made obvious by his continued reliance on ridiculous "messages" like implying that Biden and Obama have never discussed the issue, as if he were a goddam fly on the wall present at ever meeting the two ever had and privy to every discussion they ever had.

How could i NOT call such a fool a fool?

I neither need nor desire the forgiving of fools.

abb3w: You guys don't understand. You've already lost. The current generation doesn't care.

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You just have to convince Obama now.

tenpoundsofcheese: Lenny_da_Hog: tenpoundsofcheese: is 500k between 250k and 500k?

No. It is exactly 500K.

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so when 0bama promised 5,000,000 green jobs, that is exactly 5,000,000 then and anything less is him breaking his promise?

got it.

Did he say where?

Lionel Mandrake: Chimperror2: abb3w: You guys don't understand. You've already lost. The current generation doesn't care.

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You just have to convince Obama now.

He's no fool. He won't say anything before the election.

really? I figured he'd lie.

Chimperror2: really? I figured he'd lie.

Tangent: Is your username supposed to be "Chimp Error," or "Chimperor"?

rynthetyn: I'm still convinced that we're going to get marriage equality by court order. No matter how many tantrums Scalia may throw about how the "Gay Agenda" has infiltrated law schools, all you need is 5 votes and I find it hard to believe that Kennedy, who wrote the Romer and Lawrence opinions, is going to be convinced to vote against marriage equality.

Step 1: Romney gets elected president in 2012.
Step 2: Kennedy, Breyer, and Ginsburg all die and/or retire in 2013.
Step 3: Romney nominates and the Senate approves of three virulently anti-gay judges to be seated on the Supreme Court.

Fluorescent Testicle: Chimperror2: really? I figured he'd lie.

Tangent: Is your username supposed to be "Chimp Error," or "Chimperor"?

Yes. The second one, too.

Chimperror2: Yes. The second one, too.

Alright, so it's safe for me to file you away as a racist. Excellent.

I think gay marriage should be absolutely and completely prohibited in any case in which one or both of the partners identifies himself or herself as heterosexual.

That's right, I said it: Straight men should be forbidden to marry each other. Ditto for straight women. Just ain't right.

Chimperror2: abb3w: You guys don't understand. You've already lost. The current generation doesn't care.

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You just have to convince Obama now.

Well in that case I'll vote for Romney.

Because if there is anyone who will support gay marriage, it's a Conservative Mormon Republican.

Fluorescent Testicle: Chimperror2: Yes. The second one, too.

Alright, so it's safe for me to file you away as a racist. Excellent.

You'd be wrong but you're used to that. If you read the profile you'd see why but I doubt you're bright enough to see it.

"the second one, too" meant we did it twice.

DeaH: abb3w: Actually, no. It's clear to those paying attention. However, even some reasonably intelligent farkers don't read the caption closely when first going WTF.

I don't read the caption. I didn't need to. It's very clear from the graph that people are being grouped by decade of birth. I honestly do not understand how reasonably intelligent people can look at that and say, "It's ridiculous that people were polled about feelings toward gay rights in 1911," without then coming to the logical conclusion, "So ridiculous, in fact, that it's not what's going on here. Obviously people are being grouped by their decade of birth. Which makes more sense, so that must be what's going on here."

If, in fact, you are correct that intelligent people can do reach the first conclusion without coming to the second, we have a serious problem with our society. I am not sure if it's a matter education or a matter of so many "think tanks" spewing false shiat all about that smart people can no longer rely on their internal capacity to reason.

The second conclusion isn't the only rational conclusion to follow from "This is ridiculous". Another plausible and rational conclusion would be "Perhaps it's a poorly made exaggeration/falsification/extrapolation of the true data". Even assuming that these are the only two possible conclusions, the question then is which one we go with.

You find the your second conclusion (it must be referring to birth year, not poll year) to be far more likely, and I agree, but that's only slightly a matter of intelligence. It is far more a matter of what you've been exposed to in the past (particularly the recent past). If someone like LeoffDaGrate has recently seen a lot of charts showing fake/inaccurate/exaggerated/extrapolated poll results (and God knows those never show up on FARK), then the alternate conclusion about it being a fake chart might pop to the forefront of their mind. It may not just seem plausible, but in fact appear to be the most probable.

Similarly, if someone like you hangs out on forums where they run into lots of irrational people taking stupid stands for political trolling purposes (Also, of course, never seen on FARK), it will also skew their conclusions about what the most likely explanation is. Then when they encounter people who don't understand a graph, they'll decide that the explanation "They are being stupid and irrational" is more likely than "They are approaching a situation intelligently and rationally, but due to their context they still happen to arrive at a wrong answer here."

Both cases lead to someone making an incorrect assumption. But I doubt that either LeoffDaGrate or you are actually being stupid or irrational. Simply put, there are contexts where assuming that someone either screwed up and/or is being manipulative isn't a sign of low intelligence. If people are wrong, but rational and reasonably intelligent, then the error can be explained, they can accept it, and they can learn and move on. One person here has already done that, and now you have the opportunity to do so as well.

LeoffDaGrate: DeaH: So, you really want me to believe that you thought it was possible that someone was trying to say that people in 1911 were being polled about gay rights?

You... you do know where you're posting, right? This is Fark. With such idiots as winterwhile, and trolls as tenpoundsofcheese and others, I could just as easily say that you're the bigger fool for thinking others in here don't reply based on bias, knee-jerk reactions, with malus or ignorance, or even to go for a laugh.simply glossing over subjects.

See, I've admitted my foolishness. Now why don't you admit yours? Or, to put it in terms you'll understand: "So you really want me to believe that you thought it was impossible for a person never to make a snap judgement and make a mistake, here, in Fark?"

Wow, you are a know-it all. We shall all bow to your massive intellect from now on. That's if you'll even notice, sitting on so high a pedestal.

I'd put you on ignore, but I fear you're far too intelligent to simply let some forum filters get in your way to needlessly insult a total stranger, so I won't bother.

You know how you say you're suspicious? I am, too. I believe you now. Your first thought was the one you went with, and you went with it because there are so many trolls pushing bad data. I've noticed the same exact thing. I've noticed that some of those trolls are so persistent in denigrating good data and pushing bad stuff that it is clear they are paid trolls. That was certainly the case in the last global warming thread.

So, we are both more naturally suspicious. In my case, that meant that I thought you were purposely trying to throw confusion where there was none instead of experiencing genuine confusion that is just plain human. I apologize.

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What is wrong with you people that you can't see this??