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2012-05-06 07:47:37 PM  

Notabunny: Yes. The four previous years coming out of the recession were 8%+. Back to normality is the entire point. When coming out of a recession, not normally, but when coming out, usually GDP growth is high. It isn't now. That's cause for concern.

It's fair to say we're not coming out of a "normal" recession.


Absolutely true. This is almost unprecedented, and many facets are different than usual, such as the causes. But how you got sick isn't as important as why you've not gotten better as quickly as we expect.

As I said, there's not much Obama can do about it. I'm not blaming him. I would hope people would relax a little. But you can't really say that these numbers are the kind one would celebrate.
 
2012-05-06 07:49:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Like I said before...there's a whole continent that we're trading with that's holding back that kind of growth.

/it's like talking to a wall


So you're not concerned that there's a whole continent that's going to double-dip and bring us down with it?

Ricardo Klement: The truth is that there's not much Obama can do about it.


I don't know why people are so defensive when I said it's not his fault. Are you reading what I said, or what you're expecting to read because I said I was supply-side?
 
2012-05-06 07:54:20 PM  

Mrtraveler01: rnld: Ricardo Klement: Feel free to Google "GDP growth by year" and look at your favorite source.

So you don't have a citation other than "google"?

Well it looks like it did grow by over 7% for 1 year...1 year...

[www.tradingeconomics.com image 640x274]

And then...back to normality


[www.tradingeconomics.com image 640x274]


You will also notice, if you look by quarter, that he is full of it. The 4th quarter was strong. The rest of the year was crap. Nobody would know the GDP was doing so darned well on election day.
 
2012-05-06 07:55:39 PM  

Sabyen91: Mrtraveler01: rnld: Ricardo Klement: Feel free to Google "GDP growth by year" and look at your favorite source.

So you don't have a citation other than "google"?

Well it looks like it did grow by over 7% for 1 year...1 year...

[www.tradingeconomics.com image 640x274]

And then...back to normality


[www.tradingeconomics.com image 640x274]

You will also notice, if you look by quarter, that he is full of it. The 4th quarter was strong. The rest of the year was crap. Nobody would know the GDP was doing so darned well on election day.


Doh! Never mind. I thought he was talking about the1980 election.

/Sorry Ricardo.
 
2012-05-06 08:01:22 PM  

Ricardo Klement: So you're not concerned that there's a whole continent that's going to double-dip and bring us down with it?


Of course I am. Any rational person would be.

My point was that this is far different from the 1980's so it's silly to compare today's economic recovery in the US to that one.

The US can only control so much of it's economic fate.
 
2012-05-06 08:02:40 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Notabunny: Yes. The four previous years coming out of the recession were 8%+. Back to normality is the entire point. When coming out of a recession, not normally, but when coming out, usually GDP growth is high. It isn't now. That's cause for concern.

It's fair to say we're not coming out of a "normal" recession.

Absolutely true. This is almost unprecedented, and many facets are different than usual, such as the causes. But how you got sick isn't as important as why you've not gotten better as quickly as we expect.

As I said, there's not much Obama can do about it. I'm not blaming him. I would hope people would relax a little. But you can't really say that these numbers are the kind one would celebrate.


You're right. There are a lot of people who have to go back to work before anyone can rightfully have reason to celebrate.
 
2012-05-06 08:05:02 PM  

Sabyen91: Mrtraveler01: rnld: Ricardo Klement: Feel free to Google "GDP growth by year" and look at your favorite source.

So you don't have a citation other than "google"?

Well it looks like it did grow by over 7% for 1 year...1 year...

[www.tradingeconomics.com image 640x274]

And then...back to normality


[www.tradingeconomics.com image 640x274]

You will also notice, if you look by quarter, that he is full of it. The 4th quarter was strong. The rest of the year was crap. Nobody would know the GDP was doing so darned well on election day.


What are you talking about? 1984 had exceptional growth the entire year.
 
2012-05-06 08:05:37 PM  

Sabyen91: Doh! Never mind. I thought he was talking about the1980 election.

/Sorry Ricardo.


No worries. I'm lucky I don't make those kinds of mistakes all the time.
 
2012-05-06 08:07:29 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Ricardo Klement: So you're not concerned that there's a whole continent that's going to double-dip and bring us down with it?

Of course I am. Any rational person would be.

My point was that this is far different from the 1980's so it's silly to compare today's economic recovery in the US to that one.

The US can only control so much of it's economic fate.


Which is what I said to begin with. I said there's not much Obama can do. I said the numbers aren't all that good. I said that there's reason for concern. I did not ascribe fault to anyone. I don't know why the reaction was like I kicked a bees' nest.
 
2012-05-06 08:08:38 PM  

Ricardo Klement: But how you got sick isn't as important as why you've not gotten better as quickly as we expect.


Actually, how someone get's sick is more important than why they don't get better as expected as if you can't truly diagnose someone's ailment, you'll treat them improperly leading to a lackluster recovery or even a detrimental recovery. A smart person rediagnoses the situation to restructure their treatment, in the event of an unexpected recovery, to hopefully provide the best possible recovery.

So, while the argument can be made that an unexpected recovery is an important datapoint in any treatment, it's silly to say it's more important than the whole basis of your treatment in the first place.
 
2012-05-06 08:12:43 PM  

Ricardo Klement: Mrtraveler01: Ricardo Klement: So you're not concerned that there's a whole continent that's going to double-dip and bring us down with it?

Of course I am. Any rational person would be.

My point was that this is far different from the 1980's so it's silly to compare today's economic recovery in the US to that one.

The US can only control so much of it's economic fate.

Which is what I said to begin with. I said there's not much Obama can do. I said the numbers aren't all that good. I said that there's reason for concern. I did not ascribe fault to anyone. I don't know why the reaction was like I kicked a bees' nest.


Sorry, the Politics tab tends to make me testy, especially when you deal with the derptastic trolls that infest this tab.

I didn't need to be that testy with you and I apologize.
 
2012-05-06 08:17:40 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Ricardo Klement: Mrtraveler01: Ricardo Klement: So you're not concerned that there's a whole continent that's going to double-dip and bring us down with it?

Of course I am. Any rational person would be.

My point was that this is far different from the 1980's so it's silly to compare today's economic recovery in the US to that one.

The US can only control so much of it's economic fate.

Which is what I said to begin with. I said there's not much Obama can do. I said the numbers aren't all that good. I said that there's reason for concern. I did not ascribe fault to anyone. I don't know why the reaction was like I kicked a bees' nest.

Sorry, the Politics tab tends to make me testy, especially when you deal with the derptastic trolls that infest this tab.

I didn't need to be that testy with you and I apologize.


Well, the tab certainly has a lot of derp in it, and regretfully precious few non-derp conservative voices. I don't know why that is - maybe they were all driven away before my arrival. Maybe there never were many to begin with. Then again, my brand of conservatism isn't pure enough for many in my party.
 
2012-05-06 08:44:28 PM  

BritneysSpeculum: SkinnyHead: So in other words, Obama can no longer generate enthusiasm for himself. He wants people to vote for him as the lesser of two evils. So his only hope is to portray his opponent as evil. People will see through that. Obama's not the lesser of two evils; he's just the lesser.

Romney is not evil, he is nothing. He is a cypher who thinks that he can be whoever you want him to be. It won't work. While enthusiasm for Obama is down, there is no enthusiasm for Romney. That is all that Obama needs.


And although it's been said untold times, a lot of the wane in enthusiasm for Obama's promise of "hope and change" is directly due to the (often self-contradictory) stonewalling of his policy proposals by Congress. So while he truly has failed to deliver on things like immigration reform and the closure of Gitmo, Obama's list of accomplishments remains impressive.

My point being that while I, unfortunately, don't see the Republicans in Congress having a "come to Jesus" moment (full breadth and width of irony intended) if/when Obama is reelected, there is and never was any other reasonable choice for reasonable people (i.e: not racist, sexist, actual or wannabe plutocrats, or batshiat insane).
 
2012-05-06 09:50:54 PM  

Flappyhead: NeverDrunk23: The one crowd that matters the most is the one outside polling stations on election day.

You mean Obamas Black Panther goons?


Yup. So stay home like the pussy you are, Flappyhead.
 
2012-05-06 09:57:33 PM  

Chakro: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

The reason.


Well, yes, poverty is trickling up faster than wealth is trickling down. But if you think Obama has anything to do with it, you're part of the problem.
 
2012-05-06 10:09:32 PM  

EnviroDude: Marcus Aurelius: EnviroDude: cman: But, really, there are things that Obama does not have control over. People think that Obama is this magical man with a big red button that says "Press to Create Jobs". He's not. He is like a bolt in a car that is holding up the driver's side door. Just another piece in a complicated machine.

If the 2007-2009 recession was Bush's fault. The jobless and anemic recovery since then would fall squarely on the shoulders of Obama.

That might be the case if the GOP hadn't actively tried to sabotage every single proposal coming out of the White House since 2009. It's gotten so bad that Obama can't even come out in favor of a proposal without the GOP frothing at the mouth. They're like rabid dogs at this point. Obama could propose eliminating all taxes on the wealthy and the GOP would shoot it down.

You obviously forgot that the democrats had a super majority in the senate and could pass anything they wanted.


They had two years and didn't have enough balls to pass a budget even.
 
2012-05-06 10:36:59 PM  
Exactly! It's not as if the GOP settled on a fairly moderate nominee who owns a lot of houses and won mainly because he'd had a better ground game from running a prior campaign, was haunted by a past record in connection with passing significant legislation that was favored by liberals and despised by conservatives, was helped by the fact that conservatives couldn't unite around a single opponent of his long enough, and will have to isolate centrists by picking a running mate derpy enough to excite the base. . . Oh. Wait.
 
2012-05-06 11:00:53 PM  
Yesterday morning was an awful day to be anywhere near the Schott...Cap City half marathon followed by the preparations for the President's visit? I, like many others stayed away from campus. Heck...I don't think I could've even easily gotten there from north of downtown with High Street blocked off for the marathon. I'm sure lots of people just said "fark it" and stayed home.
 
2012-05-06 11:02:22 PM  

Nemo's Brother: They had two years and didn't have enough balls to pass a budget even.


Budget bills originate in the Senate? When did that start?
 
2012-05-07 12:14:42 AM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: edmo: A war ended. OBL dead. Economy recovering. Health care reformed. What's to get excited about?

I've said it before, but...if it were a Republican president in the White House when Osama Bin Laden was taken out, Ghaddfi toppled without the loss of a single American life, GM and Chrysler returned to health and the Dow shooting over 13,000 the biggest debates on Fox News would be "Why hasn't Mount Rushmore been updated yet?" and "Why just put this president on the $10? Why not put him on the $5 shaking hands with Abe? The $1 getting a high-five from Washington?"


Because everyone knows the whole Presidential Election is a bunch of nonsense. It is simply a distraction. Our votes are going to be counted by a company in SPAIN with no local counts done at the precinct level. The derivatives market is set up (purposefully) to implode, and when it does, say goodbye to the world economy.

The Stock Market is meaningless. It's a crap shoot for those who can trade at high volume and eek out a small profit.

That said, I'm pretty sure Obama will eek out a 51.254343234% "victory" that will further divide this already dividing country.

/wish I had invested in caves, bunkers, and MRE's.
 
2012-05-07 01:25:19 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Nemo's Brother: They had two years and didn't have enough balls to pass a budget even.

Budget bills originate in the Senate? When did that start?


The Senate is clearly at fault for not rubberstamping every bill shiatty enough to get through the House without the Republicans stopping it.
 
2012-05-07 02:58:08 AM  

EnviroDude: cman: But, really, there are things that Obama does not have control over. People think that Obama is this magical man with a big red button that says "Press to Create Jobs". He's not. He is like a bolt in a car that is holding up the driver's side door. Just another piece in a complicated machine.

If the 2007-2009 recession was Bush's fault. The jobless and anemic recovery since then would fall squarely on the shoulders of Obama.


The unemployment rate is only 0.3% higher than when Bush left office.

Also, the anemic recovery is due to the housing bubble bursting and not being able to recover due to banks not willing to lend. Both of these are results of policies put in place before Obama took office. Once damage of this magnitude occurs it takes a long time to heal.

But you knew that didn't you?
 
2012-05-07 03:32:02 AM  
Bush left office with the Dow at 7,900. There are a lot of 401Ks very happy that it's 13,000 today.
 
2012-05-07 04:50:10 AM  

Raharu: vegasj: MSFT: Hate him all you want, you have another 4 years of him to go.

sad to hear. Since he shiats on the constitution over and over.

Could you be specific, in what way has he shiat on the constitution as you say, be clear, and show your work.



Recess appointments when Congress is still in session.
Presidential directives that bypass Congress's law-making duties entirely
Ignoring court orders, including contempt citations
Execution of American citizens without due process
Veil threats to the judiciary branch, including the Supreme Court

Should I go on? That was just off the top of my head and took me 30 seconds.
 
2012-05-07 08:30:31 AM  
Mart Laar's beard shaver:

Recess appointments when Congress is still in session.

"Congress may by law vest the appointment of such inferior officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the courts of law, or in the heads of departments.

The President shall have power to fill up all vacancies that may happen during the recess of the Senate, by granting commissions which shall expire at the end of their next session." ~Article II, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution

So getting Obama out of office will not change a thing, as the next president will have this power too.

Presidential directives that bypass Congress's law-making duties entirely

True. However, every president since 1947 has done such things. Not nice, but still. So getting Obama out of office will not change a thing, as the next president will have this power too.

Execution of American citizens without due process

Again, not happy, but power given to him by the PATRIOT Act. So getting Obama out of office will not change a thing, as the next president will have this power too.

Veil threats to the judiciary branch, including the Supreme Court

If you mean things like this, please elaborate on how any of the quoted phrase is a threat, veiled or otherwise.

Ignoring court orders, including contempt citations

Birther nonsense? Seriously? Or were there others of which I am unaware?
 
2012-05-07 12:17:11 PM  

MBrady: 0bama


HAHA

It's funny because you're implying that Obama is a ZERO!!1!

HAHAHA

Tell me, did you think of that little gem yourself?
 
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