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2012-05-06 09:11:11 AM
8 votes:
My gut reaction to these things is to let fools and their money be parted. But the fact is that the people who watch, listen, believe, and send their only few dollars to these hucksters are vulnerable. In blunt terms, they're vulnerable because they're stupid. They truly don't know any better. The sad thing is, nothing can be done to prevent that.

What we can do is remove the tax-exempt status on religious organizations, or at the very least place a cap on the amount that can be exempted. Our tax code is allowing you and I to be played for suckers.
2012-05-06 11:09:38 AM
5 votes:

Midnight Rambler: The sad thing is, nothing can be done to prevent that.


Wrong.

Teach critical thinking starting in elementary school.

Hold purveyors of religious products and services to the same truth in advertising standards as any other product or service. Prosecute anyone for fraud who sells a product or service on false or unproven claims. Invoke RICO against groups that engage in organized fraud; seize their assets and use the proceeds for anti-fraud education.

Treat religious delusions like any other delusional belief and involuntarily commit a person when their delusions make them a danger to themselves or others.

Revoke the tax-exempt status of all religious organizations. Tax clerical/pastorial income at the same (or higher) rate than honest work.
2012-05-06 10:48:11 AM
4 votes:

SevenizGud: I think these people should get a medal for their service. If the total fools who give them money still had that money, then they would do something with it that yields actual damage. At least this way it is just lost.


This is a huge component of my "Hootie and the Blowfish Social Pressure Valve Theory of Capitalism". Most people make stupid choices based on very silly reasoning. Capitalism gives them a million and one ways to spend their money foolishly instead of, say, supporting HItler. So far the system works.
2012-05-06 10:34:47 AM
4 votes:
If you want to get rich, you start a religion.
L Ron
2012-05-06 02:23:25 AM
4 votes:
images.catholic.org

Her wig makes me question the existence of God, frankly.
2012-05-06 12:16:32 PM
3 votes:

TV's Vinnie: [www.thefamouspeople.com image 300x250]
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -- Ghandi


Meanwhile in India:

Three killed as Hindus attack Muslim village

India struggles with Hindu attacks on Christians

Religions, like political ideologies, are flawed because their adherents are people.
2012-05-06 10:53:33 AM
3 votes:

SphericalTime: These people were always evil scam artists.


THIS.

EVERYONE who claims to know what God wants you to do is an evil scam artist. You can tell because one of the things "God" invariably wants is for you to give them your money.

God doesn't need money any more than he needs a starship.
2012-05-06 10:40:10 AM
3 votes:
Woke up this mornin' turned on my TV set
There in livin' color was somethin' I can't forget
This man was preachin' at me.. yeah.. layin' on the charm
Asking me for 20 with 10,000 on his arm

He wore designer clothing and a big smile on his face
Selling me salvation while they sang Amazing Grace
Asking me for money when he had all the signs of weath
Almost wrote a check out.. yeah.. but then I asked myself...

Would He wear a pinky ring, would He drive a fancy car
Would His wife wear furs and diamonds, would His dressing room have a star
If he came back tomorrow there's something I'd like to know
Would Jesus wear a rolex on His television show

Would Jesus be political if he came back to earth
Have his second home in Palm Springs.. yeah.. but try to hide his worth
Take money from those poor folks when He comes back again
And admit He's talked to all those preachers who said they'd been-a talking to Him

Would He wear a pinky ring, would He drive a fancy car
Would His wife wear furs and diamonds, would His dressing room have a star
If he came back tomorrow there's something I'd like to know
Could ya tell me - Would Jesus wear a rolex
Would Jesus wear a rolex
Would Jesus wear a rolex on His television show
Would Jesus wear a rolex on His television show
2012-05-06 10:32:55 AM
3 votes:
Around here we've always labeled them the Christian Mafia
2012-05-06 08:11:31 AM
3 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Hard to believe a business model of "Terrify an old lady into thinking she'll be cast into a pit of eternal torment for those handjobs she gave to the boys going overseas back in '44 unless she buys 'salvation and forgiveness' by handing over her life savings to a huckster" would attract the dishonest.


It's worse than that. They're not even using the fear of eternal torment as much as they are promising that donations to their church will be paid back tenfold.

They're convincing people that are already in financial trouble that if they just donate their heating oil money for the winter that God will immediately reward them. And then they're in an even worse spot.
2012-05-06 07:57:40 AM
3 votes:
Hard to believe a business model of "Terrify an old lady into thinking she'll be cast into a pit of eternal torment for those handjobs she gave to the boys going overseas back in '44 unless she buys 'salvation and forgiveness' by handing over her life savings to a huckster" would attract the dishonest.
2012-05-06 07:47:21 AM
3 votes:
Nope. No shock. It's the prosperity gospel, which is already about as far as you can get from Christianity anyway.

These people were always evil scam artists.
2012-05-06 12:49:03 PM
2 votes:
Tax churches now. Tax the fark out of them.
2012-05-06 12:20:47 PM
2 votes:

hasty ambush: TV's Vinnie: [www.thefamouspeople.com image 300x250]
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -- Ghandi

Meanwhile in India:

Three killed as Hindus attack Muslim village

India struggles with Hindu attacks on Christians

Religions, like political ideologies, are flawed because their adherents are people.


And it's like I have always said: God did not create religion. Man created religion as a tool to rule his fellow man with fear.
2012-05-06 12:18:26 PM
2 votes:

TV's Vinnie: [www.thefamouspeople.com image 300x250]
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -- Ghandi


Speaking as a Christian, I am inclined to agree. When I went to church (I don't any more, for this reason) they preached love and tolerance, then when the Sermon was over, they acted the complete opposite and was under the impression that God would overlook them, because they were churcg-goers

They are the ones whom I coined 'One Hour Christians'
2012-05-06 12:02:04 PM
2 votes:
www.thefamouspeople.com
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -- Ghandi
2012-05-06 11:59:51 AM
2 votes:

pxlboy: Trance750: sharkbeagle: "If you really want to make a fortune, start a religion"


- L. Ron Hubbard

I've actually toyed with that notion,myself. You can easily obtain a Minister License online, then get a PO Box and watch the donations flow in.

I mean if Tilton, Swaggert and Binny Hinn can pull it off, why can't we?

Exactly. I don't know if I could do it with a straight face. Then again, it's as good or better money than dealing drugs and it's tax-exempt.


Anybody can be ordained online. Just Google Universal Life Church.

/seriously thinking about it
2012-05-06 11:48:51 AM
2 votes:
The granddaughter, Brittany Koper, and her husband have been fired by the network, which accused them of stealing $1.3 million to buy real estate and cars and make family loans. "They're just trying to divert attention from their own crimes," said Colby May, a lawyer representing TBN. Janice and Paul Crouch declined requests for interviews.

Huh. Kinda telling, isn't it?
2012-05-06 11:45:41 AM
2 votes:

pxlboy: AbbeySomeone: I am always amazed that people send these clowns money. I wonder how much her followers paid for that cosmetic surgery? The lord loves a plastic surgeon.

As am I. Could they be more obvious?


Baffles me too. I worked on Heritage USA (PTL-Jim and Tammy Bakker) in the early 90's after in was bought by a Singapore group. We got into the Bakkers personal suite there (off limits but we had to see it). The dinnerware stacked on the dining room table would have payed my wages for a year and the gold duckie faucet fixtures were a bit much. His suite had a window overlooking the indoor mall-like section of the Hotel. Some people that had their own "named" hotel rooms-

Gavin McLeod (Cpt. Stubbing, The Love Boat)
Efron Zimbalist Jr. (The FBI,60-70's tv series)
Roe Messner (PTL contractor, his room had mirrors on the ceiling. I believe he went to prison for his role)

If TBN falls another will step in to take the money of the gullible.
2012-05-06 11:41:19 AM
2 votes:

sharkbeagle: "If you really want to make a fortune, start a religion"


- L. Ron Hubbard


Make money. Make more money. Make other people make money.

- L. Ron Hubbard


"God spoke to me clearly and said, 'Did I give my son Jesus on the cross expecting nothing in return?' God bankrupted heaven and gave the best gift he could give. He gave the best offering he could give. What did God need? He needed sons and daughters, he gave the very thing he needed. You can bring God a gift fully expecting something in return. Get to the phone!"

TBN, Praise-A-Thon. Dated: 31st March 2004

That's right. Dig deeply, people. Give plenty of that folding green, and you can expect the Celestial Slot Machine to pay out a jackpot. Remember, you gotta give til it hurts.

-- Paul Crouch
2012-05-06 11:25:45 AM
2 votes:

hasty ambush: What if you had to pay a tax to exercise your right of free speech?


If you sell a product, you pay taxes on what you make.
If you provide a service, you pay taxes on what you make.
If a company pays me a salary for the work I do, I pay taxes on what they pay me.

If people give you money, the government gets it's cut. Period. Nobody should get a free pass just because of religion.
2012-05-06 11:20:57 AM
2 votes:
Reminds me of a Ron White bit:

I was at home one night, sitting in a beanbag chair naked, eating cheetos. And I had the TV on and I was watching Robert Tilton, this evengelist from Texas. And he said, "Are you lonely right now?"
Yeah, I am.

"Have you wasted your life drinking in bars and nightclubs?"

Yep, sure have.

"Are you sitting in a beanbag chair naked, eating cheetos right now?"

Damn, this guy's good.

"Do you feel the desire to send me a thousand dollars right now?"

Whew. That was close. For a minute there, I thought he was talking about me.
2012-05-06 11:17:53 AM
2 votes:

Midnight Rambler: My gut reaction to these things is to let fools and their money be parted. But the fact is that the people who watch, listen, believe, and send their only few dollars to these hucksters are vulnerable. In blunt terms, they're vulnerable because they're stupid. They truly don't know any better. The sad thing is, nothing can be done to prevent that.

What we can do is remove the tax-exempt status on religious organizations, or at the very least place a cap on the amount that can be exempted. Our tax code is allowing you and I to be played for suckers.


By doing that you give the government a vested interest (continuing revenue) so naturally government would want to promote more of this activity to increase the revenue flow. Taxing it is not going to create a deterrence to people getting scammed. As you say they are stupid so they would probably, a the scam artists urging, send more money to offset the taxation.

People are entitled to their stupidity as they are to their religious beliefs or lack thereof and taxation is a impediment to the practice of it. What if you had to pay a tax to exercise your right of free speech? Just stick withe Congress Shall Not rule and we will all be better off even if it means tolerating some bad along with accepting the good.
2012-05-06 11:14:05 AM
2 votes:
Paul Crouch is a co**sucker and I don't mean that in a figurative sense.

If the revelations, from nearly a decade ago, that he had many homosexual trysts with a young man who was in their ministry didn't raise the hackle's of their followers then nothing will. It seemed to barely get a blip out of the media and appears to have done no long lasting damage. (Why do you think the two of them live in separate houses?)
2012-05-06 11:12:07 AM
2 votes:

clyph: Midnight Rambler: The sad thing is, nothing can be done to prevent that.

Wrong.

Teach critical thinking starting in elementary school.


If you do that, you can't mold them into being corporate drones, when they reach adult-hood.
2012-05-06 11:09:20 AM
2 votes:

AbbeySomeone: I am always amazed that people send these clowns money. I wonder how much her followers paid for that cosmetic surgery? The lord loves a plastic surgeon.


They prey on little old ladies who spend all day waiting to die so they get to meet jesus. I really wish hell was real and satan had a special place to put these scammers.
2012-05-06 10:43:16 AM
2 votes:
2012-05-06 10:32:52 AM
2 votes:
Why does God need so many bank accounts?
2012-05-06 09:30:47 AM
2 votes:
2012-05-07 02:36:56 AM
1 votes:

al's hat: "They are granted for specific good works and prayers."


And if you read further it also says that while this was the intent of the church, there were many abuses of them and it goes on to enumerate those abuses. Just think without those abuses there would not be a protestant church. Anywho I am not here to debate church doctrine but rather to point out that its us humans who run them and as humans are fallible then abuses occur that result in the not so pretty things that happen in religions.

If you read back to my original post, I never said the front line priests lived in luxury but rather the bishops and higher ups. In fact most churches themselves are poor and do not receive any assistance from the upper levels of those religions. However the Holy Cee for example has its own bank that is not poor by any stretch of the imagination and in fact has been involved in several scandals including covering up murder, money laundering etc etc.

So yes, religions and churches use fear. Yes, they prey on the gullible to a certain extent. Yes, they sell their product, maybe not with a specific price tag but for a price someone is willing to pay. Yes, they are run by humans and not some ethereal being who is either forgiving or wrathful depending on what chapter you read. Bottom line is I do not care what religion you espouse, believe in or otherwise practice or not practice, there will always be someone who is willing to take what they can without regard to the people they take it from.
2012-05-06 02:04:01 PM
1 votes:
Lights, camera, silence on the set Tape rolling, 3, 2, 1, action
Welcome to the Church of Suicidal
We'll have a sermon and a wonderful recital
But before we go on there's something I must mention
An important message I must bring to your attention
I was in meditation and prayer last night
I was awakened by a shining bright light
Overhead a glorious spirit He gave me a message and you all need to hear it
"Send me your money," that's what he said He said to "Send me your money"
Now if you can only send a dollar or two There ain't a hell of a lot I can do for you
But if you want to see heaven's door Make out a check for five hundred or more
"Send me your money"
Do you hear what I said?
"Send me your money"
Now give me some bass, umm, yeah, that's how he likes it
Now give me some silence, for all you sinners
Now give me some bass, yea that was funky
Now take them on home Brother Clark, send me your money
Here comes another con hiding behind a collar
His only god is the almighty dollar
He ain't no prophet, he ain't healer
He's just a two bit goddamn money stealer
Send me your money
Send it, you got to send it
Send me your money
You hear what I'm saying? "Send it, send it Send me your money"
How much you give is your own choice
But to me it is the difference between a Porsche and a Rolls Royce
I want you to make it hurt when you dig into your pocket 'Cause it makes me feel so good to watch my profits rocket
Send me your money
Now dig in deep, dig real deep into your pocket I want you to make it hurt, we'll take cash, we'll take checks We'll take credit cards, we'll take jewelry We'll take your momma's dentures if they got gold in them
So whose gonna be the next king of the fakers Whose gonna take the place of Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker? See my momma, she didn't raise no fool 'Cause you can't put a price on a miracle
Amen
2012-05-06 01:53:49 PM
1 votes:

blueviking: SithLord: Mark 11:17 My house shall be called of all nations the house of prayer? but ye have made it a den of thieves.

Matthew 19:24 - "Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

One of my favorties....

/non-believer


One of my favorites (and one that many seem to either forget or ignore completely):

1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?

5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
2012-05-06 01:47:21 PM
1 votes:

Trance750: rjakobi: Weaver95: I wonder if these religions pervert/heretics have a political action committee?

Well, considering Pat Robertson owns TBN, we'll let you take a wild guess.

That I didn't know. I knew he was the lead 'anchorman' for the 700 Club, but didn't know he owned the whole networl


indeed. neither did I.

hmm. I'm going to guess Robertson has his own superpac,...
2012-05-06 01:39:17 PM
1 votes:

rjakobi: Weaver95: I wonder if these religions pervert/heretics have a political action committee?

Well, considering Pat Robertson owns TBN, we'll let you take a wild guess.


That I didn't know. I knew he was the lead 'anchorman' for the 700 Club, but didn't know he owned the whole networl
2012-05-06 01:21:46 PM
1 votes:
What bothers me about these sorts of people is not so much their dishonesty or their thieving ways as their utter and complete lack of taste. Their hair, their clothing, the buildings they own; everything is stunningly gauche. Who does this appeal to? Is this really middle America's idea of classy? Yeesh.
2012-05-06 12:59:00 PM
1 votes:

snocone: Gothnet: This 'God' fella must have a hell of a gambling problem, he always seems to need more money.

And a LOT of enemies. He always needs killing done.


it makes much more sense once you realize that the god these prosperity people worship isn't Jesus Christ.
2012-05-06 12:41:50 PM
1 votes:
I'm the first?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UcZsGt6nmw8

Tammy Faye I sodomize you in the name of SATAN my benefactor!!
2012-05-06 12:34:33 PM
1 votes:

SphericalTime: Nope. No shock. It's the prosperity gospel, which is already about as far as you can get from Christianity anyway.

These people were always evil scam artists.


If these thieves aren't aligning themselves with Christianity, with which religion ARE they aligning themselves? It sure as hell isn't Hinduism, Islam, Judaism, Buddhist or any other major/minor religious sect. Somebody randomly waving these crooks off as "not part of Christianity" with zero explanation as to why is lame. I would bet every nickel ever given to all of these televangelists that the Bakker's, Crouch's and their ilk would answer "Christian - what else is there?" when asked their religion. Further, I would double down that the same morons who gave money to those crooks would also self-identify as Christians, and would tag the televangelists with that same label. Which holy book, which savior and which god all align with Christianity? The same ones the televangelists push each and every day. Walks like a duck, talks like a duck...

The "true" Christians (whatever that might be) that really do have their hearts in the right place and aren't about huckstering people out of money should do what the mob bosses do when somebody gets out of line. Make 'em disappear.

/because they are bad for business, amiright?
2012-05-06 12:33:59 PM
1 votes:

MO_humanist: The bible is bullshiat,


Careful there.

Those are fighting words in St. Charles. ;)

/Lives in St. Charles and knows how very Christian/Republican it is
//Very lapsed Catholic and votes Democrats...I'm a minority here
2012-05-06 12:32:16 PM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: TV's Vinnie: [www.thefamouspeople.com image 300x250]
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. -- Ghandi

Meanwhile in India:

Three killed as Hindus attack Muslim village

India struggles with Hindu attacks on Christians

Religions, like political ideologies, are flawed because their adherents are people.


That would be poignant, if Mohandas Gandhi were Hindu. However, he wasn't. Influenced, yes, and he's had an influence on main stream Hinduism. However, what you're talking about there is akin to the difference between main stream Muslims/Christians and extremists, as well as reactionary "tit for tat" fights, i.e. Israeli people attacking people in Gaza and vice versa.
2012-05-06 12:30:52 PM
1 votes:

WTFDYW: The granddaughter, Brittany Koper, and her husband have been fired by the network, which accused them of stealing $1.3 million to buy real estate and cars and make family loans. "They're just trying to divert attention from their own crimes," said Colby May, a lawyer representing TBN. Janice and Paul Crouch declined requests for interviews.

Huh. Kinda telling, isn't it?


images.zap2it.com

"Have you raped a baby? What are your crimes?"

"Show me any person who is critical of us and I'll show you crimes and intended crimes that would stand a magistrate's hair on end."

- L. Ron Hubbard, Hubbard Communications Office Bulletin, 4 April 1965
2012-05-06 12:20:36 PM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Would you have revoked the tax exempt status of the churches involved in the abolitionist movement in the 1800s? How about Churches involved in the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s and 1970s. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference is political; would you revoke the tax exempt status of its member churches? What about the Quakers and their anti-war activity? Or are you just opposed to the engaging in political activity you disagree with?


Yes, I'd take away all their tax-exempt statuses. Every single one, even the ones I agree with. No exceptions, no free passes. Everyone pays their fair share.

Hell, I'd even tax the Red Cross and other charities on the portion of their income that doesn't go directly to people in need. The stuff that actually goes to benefit people shouldn't be taxed, but should still be scrutinized for fraud and nepotism/cronyism. Buying food at 500% of market price from your brother-in-law or golf buddy and feeding it to the poor isn't "charity".
2012-05-06 12:09:49 PM
1 votes:
chocolategamer.files.wordpress.comimages.catholic.org
FACES OF METH FAITH
2012-05-06 11:58:50 AM
1 votes:
2012-05-06 11:54:11 AM
1 votes:

Cyclonic Cooking Action: SharkTrager: Trance750: There's a TBN broadcast building not far from where I live, and it's been built to look like The White House.

I live 6 miles from that monstrosity. Good God it looks cheap and tacky in person. And it's on a freeway in basically a ghetto.

/but I was alter to convince my son it was the White House when he was 6

Not sure if you are talking about the one directly across the freeway from South Coast Plaza, but I don't think it qualifies as a ghetto. Bristol & McFadden maybe but...

http://g.co/maps/d5k35


This one is in Irving, TX.

I'm surprised the architect isn't ashamed to post it on their webpage.

Link
2012-05-06 11:32:17 AM
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Cyclonic Cooking Action: Can't leave out their friends across town at the crystal cathedral. I'm sure god needed this.

[www.friedmanarchives.com image 640x426]

Didn't they have to sell off that building because the church went bankrupt?

/Loved the parody of that church in The Simpsons


Yeah, as far as I know that's happened now. Though his financial future is at risk. Which makes me very worried...

From another article:

The elder Schullers have been embroiled in a legal battle with the board of directors regarding intellectual property and copyright infringement claims as well as back payment for services rendered, Schuller Milner said.

The exact figure for how much is claimed was not available Saturday. Attorneys for the Schullers have made almost weekly offers to the Cathedral's board to settle the claim, which includes a $120,000 annual housing allowance, a $198,000 annual payment in license fees and additional medical benefits, according to Schuller Milner.
2012-05-06 11:31:57 AM
1 votes:

Mr. Coffee Nerves: SphericalTime: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Hard to believe a business model of "Terrify an old lady into thinking she'll be cast into a pit of eternal torment for those handjobs she gave to the boys going overseas back in '44 unless she buys 'salvation and forgiveness' by handing over her life savings to a huckster" would attract the dishonest.

It's worse than that. They're not even using the fear of eternal torment as much as they are promising that donations to their church will be paid back tenfold.

They're convincing people that are already in financial trouble that if they just donate their heating oil money for the winter that God will immediately reward them. And then they're in an even worse spot.

So they don't even have the common courtesy of being a pyramid scheme? They're just straight-up stealing people's money with the promise that God will be so happy He'll rig the lottery?

No matter one's personal theology (or lack thereof) I think we can all agree that scumbags that would do this should be immediately booked into the circle of hell where the "Small Wonder" reruns never end and Cialis prescription is always full for the octo-penised rapephant(s).


I received a rather unethical piece of mail the other day. It was a big picture of Jesus' face and in the adjoining letter I got, it told me that the Jesus face was a prayer rug, and if I donated money to them and prayed REALLY hard then all my financial hardships would go away and a stranger would give me money. I painted Jesus' face to look like a tranny/Charles Manson, sent it back to them with a strongly worded letter.

/are these people sociopaths???
2012-05-06 11:31:49 AM
1 votes:
2012-05-06 11:31:24 AM
1 votes:

sharkbeagle: "If you really want to make a fortune, start a religion"


- L. Ron Hubbard


I've actually toyed with that notion,myself. You can easily obtain a Minister License online, then get a PO Box and watch the donations flow in.

I mean if Tilton, Swaggert and Binny Hinn can pull it off, why can't we?
2012-05-06 11:29:58 AM
1 votes:

Trance750: clyph: Midnight Rambler: The sad thing is, nothing can be done to prevent that.

Wrong.

Teach critical thinking starting in elementary school.

If you do that, you can't mold them into being corporate drones, when they reach adult-hood.


I think a lot of them are incapable of learning it in the first place.
2012-05-06 11:28:21 AM
1 votes:
"If you really want to make a fortune, start a religion"


- L. Ron Hubbard
mjg
2012-05-06 11:27:40 AM
1 votes:
Alain de Botton's 'Status Anxiety' tv episode is not on youtube.

Go to the 40 minute mark where deBotton takes on a prosperity gospel. Good stuff!
2012-05-06 11:24:39 AM
1 votes:

hasty ambush: Midnight Rambler: My gut reaction to these things is to let fools and their money be parted. But the fact is that the people who watch, listen, believe, and send their only few dollars to these hucksters are vulnerable. In blunt terms, they're vulnerable because they're stupid. They truly don't know any better. The sad thing is, nothing can be done to prevent that.

What we can do is remove the tax-exempt status on religious organizations, or at the very least place a cap on the amount that can be exempted. Our tax code is allowing you and I to be played for suckers.

By doing that you give the government a vested interest (continuing revenue) so naturally government would want to promote more of this activity to increase the revenue flow. Taxing it is not going to create a deterrence to people getting scammed. As you say they are stupid so they would probably, a the scam artists urging, send more money to offset the taxation.

People are entitled to their stupidity as they are to their religious beliefs or lack thereof and taxation is a impediment to the practice of it. What if you had to pay a tax to exercise your right of free speech? Just stick withe Congress Shall Not rule and we will all be better off even if it means tolerating some bad along with accepting the good.


Because many of these churches are crossing the line and engaging in political speech and endorsement. That's why they should lose their tax exempt status.
2012-05-06 11:24:16 AM
1 votes:

SphericalTime: Nope. No shock. It's the prosperity gospel, which is already about as far as you can get from Christianity anyway.

These people were always evil scam artists.


Sure, the rest of can continue to post in this thread, but it isn't necessary after this ^^^
2012-05-06 11:22:07 AM
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And the one man who exposed the scam, could revive his "ministry" at any time he wanted to, and make millions of dollars.

But he doesn't need the money.
2012-05-06 11:16:32 AM
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MrBallou: But what about the priesthood in general? Do they all realize it's BS and choose to live off the misguided faith of the masses, or do some really believe?


Like drug dealers, the smart ones abstain from using their own products, and the dumb ones are just as addicted as their customers.
2012-05-06 11:13:45 AM
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Cyclonic Cooking Action: Can't leave out their friends across town at the crystal cathedral. I'm sure god needed this.

[www.friedmanarchives.com image 640x426]


Didn't they have to sell off that building because the church went bankrupt?

/Loved the parody of that church in The Simpsons
2012-05-06 11:12:26 AM
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clyph: Midnight Rambler: The sad thing is, nothing can be done to prevent that.

Wrong.

Teach critical thinking starting in elementary school.

Hold purveyors of religious products and services to the same truth in advertising standards as any other product or service. Prosecute anyone for fraud who sells a product or service on false or unproven claims. Invoke RICO against groups that engage in organized fraud; seize their assets and use the proceeds for anti-fraud education.

Treat religious delusions like any other delusional belief and involuntarily commit a person when their delusions make them a danger to themselves or others.

Revoke the tax-exempt status of all religious organizations. Tax clerical/pastorial income at the same (or higher) rate than honest work.


Good luck on that. At the very least, they should lose their tax exempt status. How the IRS hasn't done so for these megachurch preachers is beyond the pale.
2012-05-06 11:08:55 AM
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DecemberNitro: I GOT MY MIRACLE SPRING WATER SO IAM ON TEH WAY TO AND END TO MY FINANCAIL WOES PRAISE JESUS

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what comes to mind:
i519.photobucket.com
2012-05-06 11:07:41 AM
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Can't leave out their friends across town at the crystal cathedral. I'm sure god needed this.

www.friedmanarchives.com
2012-05-06 11:04:30 AM
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Does this mean my Love Gift prayer shawl and antediluvian water are NOT blessed by the Holy Spirit and imbued with special healing powers?

I guess I'll have to lay my Piece of the True Cross* upon them.

*Free with a love gift of $50 or more
2012-05-06 11:03:48 AM
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I am always amazed that people send these clowns money. I wonder how much her followers paid for that cosmetic surgery? The lord loves a plastic surgeon.
2012-05-06 11:03:24 AM
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www.cornel1801.com
2012-05-06 10:57:05 AM
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SphericalTime: Nope. No shock. It's the prosperity gospel, which is already about as far as you can get from Christianity anyway.

These people were always evil scam artists.


No question these are evil, but I sometimes make myself confused by trying to decide how far down it goes. This type of person is obviously a non-believing thief exploiting people. Leaders of many big churches probably are too.

But what about the priesthood in general? Do they all realize it's BS and choose to live off the misguided faith of the masses, or do some really believe? I go back and forth on this.
2012-05-06 10:54:12 AM
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TBN may or may not be dealing with financial issues but remember this article was from MSNBC--which is dedicated to bringing socialism to America...are they to be trusted?
2012-05-06 10:51:45 AM
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2012-05-06 10:51:28 AM
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For some reason, I thought of this.
2012-05-06 10:49:46 AM
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Weaver95: I wonder if these religions pervert/heretics have a political action committee?


It's called the Republican party. At least since the 80s or so.
2012-05-06 10:49:16 AM
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It would not surprise this Christian one bit.

Disappoint because I hoped that in their own gaudy, garish way these people were honestly ministering for Christ as best they knew how? Sure. But not surprised.
2012-05-06 10:47:47 AM
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There's a TBN broadcast building not far from where I live, and it's been built to look like The White House.

www.maxgreinerart.com

dlarchitecture.net

www.tbn.org
2012-05-06 10:46:54 AM
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While we're on the topic:

Pitchshifter - Subject to Status
2012-05-06 10:43:04 AM
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I think these people should get a medal for their service. If the total fools who give them money still had that money, then they would do something with it that yields actual damage. At least this way it is just lost.
2012-05-06 10:32:17 AM
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I wonder if these religions pervert/heretics have a political action committee?
2012-05-06 10:25:23 AM
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I love the, "True Christians TM" in the comments. Who the f*ck are they to decide that those other people don't worship their fictional deity in the right way.
2012-05-06 10:20:20 AM
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these people are heretics. they should be purged with faith and fire.
2012-05-06 09:55:04 AM
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I am shocked. Shocked and appalled.

Next thing, they'll discover that the modern Nichiren are bilking Buddhists...

/which they are
//early and often
///f*cking Nichiren
2012-05-06 08:15:27 AM
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SphericalTime: Mr. Coffee Nerves: Hard to believe a business model of "Terrify an old lady into thinking she'll be cast into a pit of eternal torment for those handjobs she gave to the boys going overseas back in '44 unless she buys 'salvation and forgiveness' by handing over her life savings to a huckster" would attract the dishonest.

It's worse than that. They're not even using the fear of eternal torment as much as they are promising that donations to their church will be paid back tenfold.

They're convincing people that are already in financial trouble that if they just donate their heating oil money for the winter that God will immediately reward them. And then they're in an even worse spot.


So they don't even have the common courtesy of being a pyramid scheme? They're just straight-up stealing people's money with the promise that God will be so happy He'll rig the lottery?

No matter one's personal theology (or lack thereof) I think we can all agree that scumbags that would do this should be immediately booked into the circle of hell where the "Small Wonder" reruns never end and Cialis prescription is always full for the octo-penised rapephant(s).
2012-05-06 08:07:07 AM
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It's always been that way. It's in Revelations

2.bp.blogspot.com
2012-05-06 07:52:23 AM
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Some people get their mansions with floors of gold in Heaven. Others get them here on earth.
 
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