Weaver95: violentsalvation:

But also, I don't think the left quite got the candidate(s) they were voting for either. Which is mostly my point. We were sold on stuff we didn't really get.

this year our choice is going be be 1. an extreme right wing wacko with dominionist theocrat leanings and deep ties to corrupt corporations or 2. a mildly right of center democrat who gives invasive/authoritarian law enforcement agencies whatever they ask for....

I'd rather not have either one...but given a choice between the mild right of center Democrat or the wacko fundie christian theocrat....i'll take the Democrat and just keep encrypting my beef stew crock pot recipe and emailing it to Al Jazzeria.com.

I am curious, how do you feel about Gary Johnson?

Weaver95: violentsalvation:

But also, I don't think the left quite got the candidate(s) they were voting for either. Which is mostly my point. We were sold on stuff we didn't really get.

this year our choice is going be be 1. an extreme right wing wacko with dominionist theocrat leanings and deep ties to corrupt corporations or 2. a mildly right of center democrat who gives invasive/authoritarian law enforcement agencies whatever they ask for....

I'd rather not have either one...but given a choice between the mild right of center Democrat or the wacko fundie christian theocrat....i'll take the Democrat and just keep encrypting my beef stew crock pot recipe and emailing it to Al Jazzeria.com.

Or since you know that reelection victory is already gift wrapped you could vote for someone else instead of voting against the "worse candidate".

Also, Romney's record is not that of a wacko fundie dominionist christian theocrat. If there ever was an election to throw you vote away and hope its absence was heard...

I think all Fark Independents should vote for Gary Johnson. I believe you should encourage all of your Independent friends to do so as well. Especially you southern Independents. Go, Johnson! He's not black, he's not Mormon, and gosh darn it, he's a stoner too!

cman:

I am curious, how do you feel about Gary Johnson?


his economic views don't seem entirely based on reality, more on theory. his social policy views are...weird. as in 'not internally consistent' weird. I think he just threw a dart at whatever was on the wall and that's what he said he believed in. mostly tho, I couldn't vote for him because he opposes net neutrality. that's just f*cking stupid. letting corporations run the 'net unfettered would only screw over the little guys.

violentsalvation:
Or since you know that reelection victory is already gift wrapped you could vote for someone else instead of voting against the "worse candidate".

Also, Romney's record is not that of a wacko fundie dominionist christian theocrat. If there ever was an election to throw you vote away and hope its absence was heard...

I don't see me ever voting Republican ever again. that party is just too far gone to be saved.

Weaver95: violentsalvation:
Or since you know that reelection victory is already gift wrapped you could vote for someone else instead of voting against the "worse candidate".

Also, Romney's record is not that of a wacko fundie dominionist christian theocrat. If there ever was an election to throw you vote away and hope its absence was heard...

I don't see me ever voting Republican ever again. that party is just too far gone to be saved.

I would never ask you to.

Weaver95: I couldn't vote for him because he opposes net neutrality. that's just f*cking stupid. letting corporations run the 'net unfettered would only screw over the little guys.

He's one of those Libertarians who refuses to acknowledge that anything is a market failure.

small tent?
you mean the one which is filled with old white men?

Oh yeah, this is why I quit going to the politics tab.

Thanks for reminding me folks.

ShawnDoc: Weaver95: I couldn't vote for him because he opposes net neutrality. that's just f*cking stupid. letting corporations run the 'net unfettered would only screw over the little guys.

He's one of those Libertarians who refuses to acknowledge that anything is a market failure.

Yeah, he is one of those assholes who can balance a state's budget and shrink the government without firing anyone. The horror.

Ed Finnerty: FTFA: By Arnold Schwarzenegger

May 6, 2012
It was Richard Nixon who brought me into the Republican fold.

Nice.

Old news.

He said that in his speech at the RNC 2004.

themindiswatching: They won't listen because he isn't a "natural born citizen".

And just a few years ago there were some GOP people who were trying to
drum up support for a 'Schwartzenegger Amendment' to the Holy Constitution^tm
that would allow him to run for president.

The only ideas Republicans have involve convincing dumb people to put them in power so they can better siphon money into their own pockets.

They're more like a party of sleazy salesmen; "Obama's gonna take your guns, better stock up! Obama wants to tax you more, better let us keep cutting taxes! (For those of us who already have millions, LOL.)"

Being a Republican used to mean finding solutions for the American people.

Bullshiat, Arnold. Idealistic bullshiat if he actually believes what he says, which I don't believe for a moment.

Being a member of either party in Washington has never been about finding solutions. If you find a solution, nobody needs your services any more. The same holds true you point out that the solution already exists within the citizen's own power.

It's been about concocting and exaggerating crises so as to accrue personal power and make fortunes while looking busy and important. Actually fixing things is completely beside the point unless it happens to be a means to re-election.

GAT_00: cman: Nope. That is showing favoritism. The government of any state should not do that.

Then you really ought to be a liberal.

Funny you should mention that.

Here in New York, Obama will be showing up in Saratoga to do another grip-and-grin with a mess of local officials, who Democrat and Republican alike are falling over themselves to shower praise on a project funded by $1.4 billion in corporate welfare.

The spending of which will be mostly confidential. Yay, transparency.

Oh, And does it ever get juicier. David Cay Johnson, he now much beloved by liberals for his call for higher taxes:

Taxpayers can expect ever more picking of their pockets by businesses with political clout thanks to the Nov. 21 decision by Judge Theodore Jones and four colleagues on the New York Court of Appeals.

At issue is $1.4 billion in state gifts whose primary beneficiary is a microchip maker, GlobalFoundries, a company controlled by Abu Dhabi's hereditary ruler, Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, one of the wealthiest people ever. The gifts, labeled economic development grants and made through a state-sponsored corporation, work out to about a million dollar subsidy per job at the plant near Albany.

The New York Court of Appeals said the 50 taxpayers who sued over the deal and over gifts to apple and wine trade associations have no standing to challenge the gift because it is proper.

While this case concerns only New York, it illustrates how corporate socialism has become our de facto economic policy and how the ideal of competitive markets and self-reliance are fading in significance.

State and local gifts to corporations now run at least $70 billion per year nationwide, according to an estimate by Professor Kenneth Thomas of the University of Missouri-St. Louis.

I think Thomas's estimate is conservative, in good part because many states and local governments make spotty disclosures or low-ball figures.

The whole thing. Read it.

Benni K Rok: That is an interesting theory, but even if you could get Washington to fix a problem a day, every day, after 2 years, there would still be a lot of problems that need to be fixed.

(citation needed)

Why even assume it's Washington with the solution? I want them dealing first with that which neither the individual nor the private sector nor various local and state governments can handle.

Arnie's always been a more moderate Republican... a rare breed these days.

He's right, too. The GOP is essentially the party of wealthy. white plutocrats and scared, white bigots these days.

/oblig