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2012-05-05 11:06:53 AM
Title: Americans renounced their citizenship in record numbers in 2011

Content: OMGTAXES

Proof: Nowhere to be found.

Full story at 11!
 
2012-05-05 11:30:34 AM
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NeedlesslyCanadian: Title: Americans renounced their citizenship in record numbers in 2011

Content: OMGTAXES

Proof: Nowhere to be found.

Full story at 11!


Well, it is from Russia Today, Putin's "we've got your back, V" analog to Fox News.
 
2012-05-05 11:35:11 AM
Your propaganda wing sucks
 
2012-05-05 11:38:21 AM
America. We are such patriots that we will repudiate our citizenship when things become the least bit inconvienent for our balance sheet?
 
2012-05-05 12:02:05 PM
AMERICA! LOVE IT OR uh ...


...oh right then.
 
2012-05-05 12:18:15 PM
Cool, GTFO and stay the fark out.
 
2012-05-05 12:28:15 PM
FTA: 1788 Americans renounced their citizenship, out of 6.2 million citizens abroad...

I'll let you do the math.
 
2012-05-05 12:35:03 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-05-05 12:39:46 PM

violentsalvation: Cool, GTFO and stay the fark out.


I get the feeling that's the plan.
 
2012-05-05 12:49:34 PM

NeedlesslyCanadian: Title: Americans renounced their citizenship in record numbers in 2011

Content: OMGTAXES

Proof: Nowhere to be found.

Full story at 11!


Dude, Some Have Speculated! What more proof do you need? It *could* be true!

Just like Glenn Beck raping and murdering that girl. I've read it. And that has even stronger proof - the "Some Have Said" level.
 
2012-05-05 12:56:59 PM

MisterTweak: NeedlesslyCanadian: Title: Americans renounced their citizenship in record numbers in 2011

Content: OMGTAXES

Proof: Nowhere to be found.

Full story at 11!

Dude, Some Have Speculated! What more proof do you need? It *could* be true!

Just like Glenn Beck raping and murdering that girl. I've read it. And that has even stronger proof - the "Some Have Said" level.


I don't know. I refuse to trust anything lower than the An Unnamed Source Indicated level of professionalism. But, I'm also an elitist.
 
2012-05-05 12:57:32 PM

MisterTweak: NeedlesslyCanadian: Title: Americans renounced their citizenship in record numbers in 2011

Content: OMGTAXES

Proof: Nowhere to be found.

Full story at 11!

Dude, Some Have Speculated! What more proof do you need? It *could* be true!

Just like Glenn Beck raping and murdering that girl. I've read it. And that has even stronger proof - the "Some Have Said" level.


I'm a sceptic so I'm holding out for "news outlets have commented"
 
2012-05-05 01:26:37 PM

NeedlesslyCanadian: Title: Americans renounced their citizenship in record numbers in 2011

Content: OMGTAXES

Proof: Nowhere to be found.

Full story at 11!


Thanks, I knew I didn't have to read the farking article.
 
2012-05-05 01:26:58 PM
Well, I've stood sponsor to an American who became British, so that's one..... just need verification for the rest.
 
2012-05-05 01:27:18 PM
ah, the rich vultures have finished picking the bones off the carcass of the economy they've dismantled over the past 30 years? get the fark out, we don't care, and we'll fix this shiat and give you the well deserved kick in the teeth when we rebuild and you want back in.
 
2012-05-05 01:27:39 PM
I know they're trying to make 1800 people sound like a big deal, but it just doesn't sound like that big of a deal. Especially if they were already not living in the US.
 
2012-05-05 01:29:01 PM
Good. Our tax laws have to have teeth. Either get something from these tax dodgers, or take something away from them. No more of this making a ton of money in Scotland* where you don't have to pay taxes on it, then bringing it into America penalty free.

(Money actually made providing goods and services to Americans, but since you have a PO box in Scotland you can call it your permanent address and claim you "made" the money from there.)
 
2012-05-05 01:29:25 PM

violentsalvation: Cool, GTFO and stay the fark out.


They already left, it seems from the story to be American's who are already living outside the US anyway so is not much of a stretch them renouncing their citizenship.
 
2012-05-05 01:30:14 PM
Speaking of leaving the country didn't the Bushes purchase some property in Peru recently just in case the Feds decide to indict him, he can escape on a private jet? Google USA.Gov M67854-04-C-5074. If the US Navy has a presence in Peru, the death of the dolphins and pelicans may be due to the Navy killing them with the weapon they use on me here in Atlantic Beach, Florida as they cramp my muscles, hammer on my bones, and attack every part of my body inside and out from their Navy helicopters up to 1.242 kilometers in the sky. With precise accuracy, they attack my heart, ear canals, sodomize and rape me, stab my teeth, choke me, attack my eyes, nostrils, intestines; and as I write the Navy leaders and the President, both Obama and Bush for the past seven years, not one government official will stop torturing me. They also use the atmospheric sonar weapon mounted on their helicopters, as well, sending rings, hisses and clicks to my audio cortex night and day. They seriously sleep deprive me as they shoot pain at my body and cramp my legs and feet with violent attacks. Yes, the dolphins and pelicans in Peru died because the US Navy is probably cruising around there with their destroyers and helicopter squadrons. The Navy has good and bad, just like the Germans had good and bad during Hitler's reign. Evidently, there are more bad than good right now because we have bad in The White House for eleven years. Please google USA.Gov M67854-04-C-5074. That is the weapon killing the dolphins as sell as the atmospheric sonar mounted on the helicopters as well. How dare they kill these beautiful creatures of nature and how dare they torture this 65 year old woman; me.
 
2012-05-05 01:31:36 PM
I don't intend to give up my citizenship because at some point I do expect to move back stateside in the future.

But this overseas taxes is really a pain. The exchange rate has pushed my earnings way above the FEIE for 2011 and I'm looking at something like $15,000 in taxes to pay. WTF, dude.

The reality is that my salary has not changed much except for a minor COLA, so my day to day lifestyle is unchanged. But because Obama has devalued the dollar to pump up American exports, I'm going to end up having to pay through the nose for the "privilege" of an American passport.

Renounce? No, and I don't know anyone who has either. biatch and moan? Absolutely. This is ridiculous bullshiat that only America tries to pull on its expatriate citizens.
 
2012-05-05 01:31:46 PM
I'll consider this when I see it in Pravda.
 
2012-05-05 01:31:47 PM
If there was any impetus to leave the US based on a flawed system it'd be after watching one party live in pants-shiatting fear for four years doing nothing but try to jam up the works for any thing to get done in their reluctance to give an inch. And people are supposed to believe we'd be better off with these spiteful, hate filled children in power?
 
2012-05-05 01:32:11 PM
Big effin' whoop. So farking what? If they don't like it, they have every right to fark off and GTFO. They probably married a foreigner and wanted to live in their country. It has happened since we have had countries to immigrate to.
 
2012-05-05 01:32:29 PM
It is due to taxes, but it isn't due to the tax rate but rather due to the fact you have to file the damn things and do estimated payments. If you've relocated somewhere for the long haul (married a foreigner and moved to the spouse's country, returned to your ancestral country, started a career with a foreign company, etc) you might as well renounce and not have to file the damn things every year. Most of the time you end up not owning Uncle Sam a lot anyways as you can get some credit for local taxes you paid, so you're not overburdened with taxes. It's mostly the filing and the estimated payments that drive you nuts.
 
2012-05-05 01:32:29 PM
wow, only 3 sentences before the BECAUSE TAXES! propoganda? havent these writers ever heard of foreplay?
 
2012-05-05 01:33:09 PM
In 2008 (the last year I could find) 1.4 million people applied to become a US citizen. I think we will survive.
 
2012-05-05 01:35:05 PM

Tommy Moo: Money actually made providing goods and services to Americans, but since you have a PO box in Scotland you can call it your permanent address and claim you "made" the money from there.


The Foreign Earned Income Exclusion is not applicable to any income you earned while you were physically present in the United States. If the person claiming the permanent address outside the States, but spent most of his time inside the country, he would be prosecutable for tax fraud if he tried to claim the FEIE on that income.
 
2012-05-05 01:36:28 PM
Go Ef yourself, Official Propaganda Organ of the Putin Regime and your GOP fellow travelers


wellbye.jpg
 
2012-05-05 01:37:27 PM
I took my Social Security check and moved to Cabo San Lucas, so I'm getting a kick out of this
 
2012-05-05 01:37:43 PM

Tommy Moo: Good. Our tax laws have to have teeth. Either get something from these tax dodgers, or take something away from them. No more of this making a ton of money in Scotland* where you don't have to pay taxes on it, then bringing it into America penalty free.


The laws don't punish tax dodgers. They do punish those of us who live abroad, work abroad, are permanent citizens abroad, and yet somehow we still have to pay sizeable chunks of our salary to uncle sam (and they provide us with consular services which are shutting down and becoming more and more useless every year, gee thanks!).

Incidentally, if they are making tons of money in a foreign country and then bringing it into the American economy, I don't really see how this is fundamentally a bad thing. Certainly better than people making money in America and shovelling it to foreign companies.
 
2012-05-05 01:39:23 PM

The Shatner Incident: Big effin' whoop. So farking what?


If you'd listen to more AM radio, instead of your damn FM rock and roll stations, you'd know you're supposed to be fearful and outraged, you damned long-hairred hippy.
 
2012-05-05 01:40:19 PM
Why should the US tax its expats more than other countries do?
 
2012-05-05 01:40:19 PM

Diaphoretic Pudenda: Speaking of leaving the country didn't the Bushes purchase some property in Peru recently just in case the Feds decide to indict him, he can escape on a private jet?


I thought it was in Venezuela. At least that was the rumor as far back as 2003.
 
2012-05-05 01:42:49 PM
I still don't understand why someone living permanently in another country would have to keep paying taxes in this one.
 
2012-05-05 01:43:19 PM
Current voties for this = -2.
We lived in W Germany as it was then for close on 8 yrs, A Lifetime Ago, but El Spouse was employed by the US Gummint in a green pickle suit (read that as Active Duty Army).
We're grateful for the chance to live Over There & travel extensively.
Now we're old/aging, we don't think we'll pitch our born-with citizenship. Need our passports to voyage to Oh Canada in a wk for our older niece's wedding, long anticipated. Dunno whether she plans to Citizenate up there as longtime SO/spouse to be is Canadian.
10 other things, we couldn't emigrate bcs of the cats who depend on us. Eldest adopted, others either let selves in, were born here or requested shelter. Lady Bast & her psychic paw-print marking us as gd location for Needy Felines, eh. & yes, I almost live on Caturday when it's up & running!
 
2012-05-05 01:43:41 PM
My family has been here since the 1850s, wife is first generation. My wife and I have had serious discussions about the future of this country and we have spoken about leaving the country eventually, and the reasons why: massive debts, a conservative Supreme court, an intractible Congress, an undereducated population, a backwards transportation and energy policy, and an underwhelming environment for good jobs.
 
2012-05-05 01:43:42 PM

Nem Wan: Why should the US tax its expats more than other countries do?


Because unlike other first world countries our politicians are afraid to levy appropriately taxes on the citizens (middle class and rich) who actually live in the country and use the services, so someone has to take it in the ass - might as well be those of us far away...
 
2012-05-05 01:44:37 PM

laulaja: Now we're old/aging, we don't think we'll pitch our born-with citizenship. Need our passports to voyage to Oh Canada in a wk for our older niece's wedding, long anticipated. Dunno whether she plans to Citizenate up there as longtime SO/spouse to be is Canadian.
10 other things, we couldn't emigrate bcs of the cats who depend on us. Eldest adopted, others either let selves in, were born here or requested shelter. Lady Bast & her psychic paw-print marking us as gd location for Needy Felines, eh. & yes, I almost live on Caturday when it's up & running!


what is this i dont even..
 
2012-05-05 01:45:14 PM
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2012-05-05 01:45:42 PM
MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your propaganda wing sucks

This. Taxes are historical lows and Obama has presided under the tax cuts that got us there.

I guess up is down?
 
2012-05-05 01:45:57 PM
US is a crappy country. I haven't crossed the border for 7 years
and I don't plan to ever again.
 
2012-05-05 01:46:35 PM

hubiestubert: America. We are such patriots that we will repudiate our citizenship when things become the least bit inconvienent for our balance sheet?


If it works for corporations...
 
2012-05-05 01:46:43 PM

Skyfrog: I still don't understand why someone living permanently in another country would have to keep paying taxes in this one.


My guess is that some super-rich folks were setting up overseas companies and taking their salary overseas and then stashing the money in Swiss bank accounts to evade the eyes of the IRS. Laws were set up to 1) demand that all income be reported by all Americans (and permanent residents) and 2) demand that all accounts be divulged to the U.S. government.

It hurts us little guys who live and work overseas.
 
2012-05-05 01:47:29 PM
My initial reaction to the headline:

Yeah, so?

But now that I know the numbers and alleged reason, I am so outraged I will write a strongly worded email.

After my nap.
 
2012-05-05 01:48:12 PM

NeedlesslyCanadian: Proof: Nowhere to be found.


Parmenius: Well, it is from Russia Today, Putin's "we've got your back, V" analog to Fox News.


MaudlinMutantMollusk: Your propaganda wing sucks


stampylives: wow, only 3 sentences before the BECAUSE TAXES! propoganda? havent these writers ever heard of foreplay?


Degenz: Thanks, I knew I didn't have to read the farking article.


Wow. Glad to know so many people can dismiss a story outright without bothering to read it or check it against any other sources. Here's a source you all may find more credible.

The story was originally reported by Reuters.

The thrust of both articles is that people are renouncing citizenship to avoid the IRS not because of the *amount* of taxes they have to pay, but rather due to the burden of complying with the reporting requirements, and the onerous penalties for simple errors or omissions.

The IRS response is: "While we certainly *could* ruin your life over a simple reporting mistake, we almost certainly won't. Pinky swear!"

Among the people who consider this a serious problem is Democratic NY Congresswomen Carolyn Maloney "While I fully support measures that reduce fraud and address offshore havens, the U.S. should not have policies that place undue burdens on legitimate Americans abroad,"

So now maybe some of you can open up your minds and risk exposing yourselves to a viewpoint that doesn't conform to your worldview.
 
2012-05-05 01:48:41 PM

ontariolightning: US is a crappy country. I haven't crossed the border for 7 years
and I don't plan to ever again.


Well...bye...
 
2012-05-05 01:49:06 PM
AverageAmericanGuy: I don't intend to give up my citizenship because at some point I do expect to move back stateside in the future.

But this overseas taxes is really a pain. The exchange rate has pushed my earnings way above the FEIE for 2011 and I'm looking at something like $15,000 in taxes to pay. WTF, dude.

The reality is that my salary has not changed much except for a minor COLA, so my day to day lifestyle is unchanged. But because Obama has devalued the dollar to pump up American exports, I'm going to end up having to pay through the nose for the "privilege" of an American passport.

Renounce? No, and I don't know anyone who has either. biatch and moan? Absolutely. This is ridiculous bullshiat that only America tries to pull on its expatriate citizens.


Feel good citizen, as we don't force corporations to pay. They get to keep their tax free profits ad spend them overseas, while you're left getting double hit.
 
2012-05-05 01:49:29 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: My guess is that some super-rich folks were setting up overseas companies and taking their salary overseas and then stashing the money in Swiss bank accounts to evade the eyes of the IRS..


That doesn't explain taxing expatriates. You should certainly tax the foreign income of those who live in America and try to hide their salaries, but for those of us who actually reside permanently abroad it is fairly bullshiat, and we are the only country other than Israel (insert stereotype joke here) that does it.
 
2012-05-05 01:51:48 PM

lilplatinum: AverageAmericanGuy: My guess is that some super-rich folks were setting up overseas companies and taking their salary overseas and then stashing the money in Swiss bank accounts to evade the eyes of the IRS..

That doesn't explain taxing expatriates. You should certainly tax the foreign income of those who live in America and try to hide their salaries, but for those of us who actually reside permanently abroad it is fairly bullshiat, and we are the only country other than Israel (insert stereotype joke here) that does it.


We just got caught in the wake of unintended consequences.
 
2012-05-05 01:51:58 PM

Parmenius: hNeedlesslyCanadian: Title: Americans renounced their citizenship in record numbers in 2011

Content: OMGTAXES

Proof: Nowhere to be found.

Full story at 11!

Well, it is from Russia Today, Putin's "we've got your back, V" analog to Fox News.


Russia Today always has some of the most far out stories from the fringe when it comes to their coverage of US politics.

Which is why I never watch it or visit their website.
 
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