PizzaJedi81: Scarlett is a peach. Like when you eat a peach that is so ripe you can push your thumb through the skin. The juice runs down your chin and drips onto your chest, and the place in between your fingers gets so sticky you have trouble separating them. The next day, even after you wash your hands, you can still smell the sweet juice on your skin and, if no one is watching, you lick your fingers and the memory of that sweet fruit on your tongue floods back. Scarlett is like that.

Why... yes. You're right. You're absolutely right!

Well put.

Carth: You'd put Captain America above it? I'd say it was better than CA but not up to par with Iron Man 1. It felt like a Joss Whedon movie which was surprising considering the budget.

I thought CA was great - loved that it really had its own vibe, it's own tone and style. Thor did that also, I just liked CA more.

The Avengers really didn't have any style; this is partly by necessity, since its a mixing of a bunch of different ones, but in my opinion its a problem nonetheless. The most stylistically interesting aspect of it were the initial scenes of Bruce Banner in India - I liked how that was done.

Carth: Did you see it in 3d? I'm curious how the post conversion was.

Nope, regular dimensions for me.

Carth: I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the hulk. After the Ang Lee version then the 2003 reboot I was pretty Meh about him. Avengers has me looking forward to his next standalone.

Hulk was far and away the best part of the movie, though he somehow goes through a huge change with zero explanation. That kind of bothered me. And even though the Banner's explanation for how he manages to control himself is a very clever and well written line, it doesn't actually make any sense.

Carth: After the Ang Lee version then the 2003 reboot

Ugh the Ang Lee version was horrible.

ArcadianRefugee: CA and IM2 were both better.

Whoa whoa whoa. I didn't say IM2 was better. That movie stunked.

I must say I was actually very annoyed I didnt get to see a trailer for The Dark Knight Rises in front of it. I thought the whole point of releasing that new trailer this week was to put it in front of the Avengers. Goddammitall.

DamnYankees: Carth: I was surprised by how much I enjoyed the hulk. After the Ang Lee version then the 2003 reboot I was pretty Meh about him. Avengers has me looking forward to his next standalone.

Hulk was far and away the best part of the movie, though he somehow goes through a huge change with zero explanation. That kind of bothered me. And even though the Banner's explanation for how he manages to control himself is a very clever and well written line, it doesn't actually make any sense.

It does if you read the comics. Banner-- the man, not the monster-- is a sociopath with severe daddy issues and lots of emotional baggage. When he and the Hulk were finally separated, he went crazy; Full-on mad scientist. The Hulk was eventually hired to kill Banner (and succeeded).

Dr. Doom was the one who separated them (at Hulk's request), and when Hulk went back to Doom complaining that he didn't know it would end like this after the separation, blaming Doom for making Banner into a monster and forcing Hulk to kill him, Doom said that Banner was always the monster, and that the only thing that kept him under control was The Hulk being his outlet and scapegoat.

But even if you omit the comics and just go by the last movie (The Incredible Hulk), you see in the very last scene that Banner has learned to control the change... And he kinda likes it.

Banner's the rage-beast. Hulk is a side-effect.

Gosling:
I recall how Tina Fey wrote in her book, Bossypants, that this happens even to the actually good actresses. She noted how some TV shows will wind up in danger of cancellation, or not being picked up, solely because some executive- inevitably male- will look at the cast and say, literally, "I don't want to fark any of these people." Boom. Cancelled.

Then explain Desperate Housewives. Or Sex in the City. Or The View.

Could work. Get other non powered spies and mercs in it like Paladin, Silver Sable, etc.

Here's the only thing I didn't like about The Avengers: They didn't change the scene where Black Widow knocks out a guy by whipping her hair in his face.

I'd have thought they would have heard the Internet complaining about it, and found a better angle or fixed it somehow... But they didn't. It's still there. Black Widow whips her hair back, and the guy goes down. Her head is nowhere near his face, and it's glaringly obvious.

ZeroCorpse: It does if you read the comics.

I saw a movie, not a comic strip.

DamnYankees: ZeroCorpse: It does if you read the comics.

I saw a movie, not a comic strip.

Keep reading the comment, man.

Like I said: The last scene in The Incredible Hulk shows that he has control over the change.

ZeroCorpse: Here's the only thing I didn't like about The Avengers: They didn't change the scene where Black Widow knocks out a guy by whipping her hair in his face.

I'd have thought they would have heard the Internet complaining about it, and found a better angle or fixed it somehow... But they didn't. It's still there. Black Widow whips her hair back, and the guy goes down. Her head is nowhere near his face, and it's glaringly obvious.

You were paying that close attention? I was like 'ooh, great fight scene' or 'hot chick fighting'

ZeroCorpse: Keep reading the comment, man.

Since nothing else in your comment is in this movie or the last one, I don't really see how it's relevant at all. Your comment about the end of the last Hulk movie doesn't work either, since in the middle of The Avengers, he is totally unable to control it.

DamnYankees: ZeroCorpse: Keep reading the comment, man.

Since nothing else in your comment is in this movie or the last one, I don't really see how it's relevant at all. Your comment about the end of the last Hulk movie doesn't work either, since in the middle of The Avengers, he is totally unable to control it.

I don't think you would be able to control it either if you fell down a deep hole caused by an explosion

texdent: DamnYankees: ZeroCorpse: Keep reading the comment, man.

Since nothing else in your comment is in this movie or the last one, I don't really see how it's relevant at all. Your comment about the end of the last Hulk movie doesn't work either, since in the middle of The Avengers, he is totally unable to control it.

I don't think you would be able to control it either if you fell down a deep hole caused by an explosion

That was probably the least violent thing that happened to Banner in the entire movie.

DamnYankees: That was probably the least violent thing that happened to Banner in the entire movie.

And he had picked up Loki's staff moments before the explosion so that might have had something to do with it.

If it's the version of Black Widow that Joss Whedon wrote for The Avengers, I'd be okay with a Black Widow movie. However, if it's the version of Black Widow that was in Iron Man 2, where the writers thought sticking Scarlett Johansson in tight black leather was a suitable replacement for giving her character a personality, please no.

I'm convinced that apart from Joss Whedon, Hollywood has no clue how to develop female characters in action movies.

tartie_pants: Think about it every character had screen time and felt like a real part of the movie.

I felt this way about everyone except Thor. He really seemed like an afterthought.

He's my brother
He has killed 80 people in the last two days
....He's adopted

tartie_pants: I am looking forward to Hulk movies now. I had given up on him as a character given the crappy movies.

I don't know, they used him perfectly in this one, big surprise crowd pleasing scenes. I don't know if he can carry a movie himself.

I fear they're going to beat this to death. It's like when every member of a good band insists on doing multiple solo albums.

wjllope: Saw it this afternoon. Great. Will see it again in a couple weeks when the lines shorten.

/stay all the way to the end. the very very end.

I knew there was going to be stuff at the very very end, but after the mid trailer point scene, figured nothing could beat that and left.

Mentat: Mugato: The Black Widow is not a sex symbol. She's a deadly assassin and her outfit and hair and makeup are all 100% functional.

I thought she might be overshadowed with all of the male heroes in the movie, but I think she turned out to be the lynchpin of the entire team. Good work from Whedon in pulling that off.

True. Before the film was released there were comments about all these superheros and her with her two little handguns looking totally out of place. In the film she played Loki like a violin and found out his plan, and then managed to shut down the portal. She held her own and it was earned, not contrived.

Mugato: tartie_pants: I am looking forward to Hulk movies now. I had given up on him as a character given the crappy movies.

I don't know, they used him perfectly in this one, big surprise crowd pleasing scenes. I don't know if he can carry a movie himself.

I fear they're going to beat this to death. It's like when every member of a good band insists on doing multiple solo albums.

I'm inclined to agree. I don't think Hulk is a character that lends itself well to carrying an entire movie. Maybe somebody will come along and write a Hulk script that proves me wrong, but I think part of the reason the other Hulk movies sucked is because no matter how well he works in comics, live action film is a completely different ball of wax.

Gigantos: During The Avengers, when she's talking to Loki, I missed probably half the conversation when they kept jumping to shots of dat ass.

That was my favorite non-explosiony scene in the movie.
/not just because of dat ass

ZeroCorpse: I'd have thought they would have heard the Internet complaining about it, and found a better angle or fixed it somehow... But they didn't. It's still there. Black Widow whips her hair back, and the guy goes down. Her head is nowhere near his face, and it's glaringly obvious.

No one was looking at her head in that scene.

mongbiohazard: Ugh the Ang Lee version was horrible.

You have a weird way of spelling "awesome". Because the Ang Lee Hulk movie was really great.

Ugh, comic panels literally drawn on the screen, Hulk hopping around the desert like a rabbit, electricity man. Painful.