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(Chicago Trib)   Arizona bans Planned Parenthood funding. Apparently, a few people have a problem with this   (chicagotribune.com) divider line 242
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2012-05-05 03:21:45 PM  

Carth: The preventative services (birth control, cancer screening, abortions) of planned parenthood likely save you money.


Doesn't matter. Only hurting other people matters to them anymore. I'm not sure if anything else has ever mattered to them.
 
2012-05-05 03:22:41 PM  
Thanks for all the suggestions for the hoss. Appreciate it.

It's a gorgeous area, and looking forward to getting the gal out of NM--though, I suspect that we may have to think about summering out in Colorado. It'd escape the bone crushing humidity, and give her some mountain time, and even a swoop back to Moab...
 
2012-05-05 03:23:41 PM  
It's May now, so it's getting pretty hot in AZ. The crazy always seems to go up with the temperature.
 
2012-05-05 03:29:01 PM  
i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.
 
2012-05-05 03:30:18 PM  

lazyguineapig33: i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.


Good thing you don't then huh?
 
2012-05-05 03:30:19 PM  

lazyguineapig33: i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.


Well it should be a relief that public funds given to Planned Parenthood don't cover abortion costs.
 
2012-05-05 03:30:28 PM  

lazyguineapig33: i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.


You know, someone set up a helpful link to the Hyde Amendment up above. Should check it out.
 
2012-05-05 03:30:37 PM  
These people know women are allowed to vote and stuff now, right? And that they frequently do? They must not, or else they wouldn't be taking this "we don't care about your health unless and until you are pregnant" tack.

On another note, wow, that is an unflattering photo of Jan Brewer. My mom always said that the face you end up with is the face you earn...
 
2012-05-05 03:32:21 PM  

violetvolume: These people know women are allowed to vote and stuff now, right? And that they frequently do? They must not, or else they wouldn't be taking this "we don't care about your health unless and until you are pregnant" tack.

On another note, wow, that is an unflattering photo of Jan Brewer. My mom always said that the face you end up with is the face you earn...


The real funny thing was that during the 2010 elections, women were a big part in helping the GOP dominate the midterms like they did.

Kinda funny how now they just seem to be throwing them under the bus BEFORE an election. Usually a smart politician would wait to do it afterwards.
 
2012-05-05 03:35:16 PM  

lazyguineapig33: i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.


"I'm a self-centered a-hole who believes society should serve my every need but I should not contribute in any way".

Fixed.
 
2012-05-05 03:36:24 PM  

WhyteRaven74: lazyguineapig33: i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.

Well it should be a relief that public funds given to Planned Parenthood don't cover abortion costs.


This can't really be repeated enough.
 
2012-05-05 03:36:33 PM  
And the Republican War on Women continues. That said, Jan Brewer is proof that awful things turn you ugly. That said, I think we would do everybody a service if we started a non-profit group to help move women out of these 'conservative' areas that don't have civilized services. We do more for women in war-torn countries, so we might as well start treating the 'conservative' parts of this nation like nothing else. Our tax dollars could go for more than pathetic right-wing attempts to enslave people to populate their shiatty parts of the world.
 
2012-05-05 03:37:51 PM  

theteacher: Has anyone noticed if for-profit abortion clinics are starting to pop up in these no taxpayer abortion states?


Abortion clinics are becoming increasingly rare in the U.S. You're right to think economically on its face it would make great sense to open up an abortion clinic where there is no competition. But there are some things you're missing out on. Abortion clinic doctors are harassed, threatened and targeted for assassination. Protesters make wanted posters with their home and work address, photo and things like "baby killer" all over it while highly suggesting someone save the babies by killing the doctor.

But some doctors brave it anyways because they recognize abortion is legal and if access to safe abortions is not provided by someone, women are seriously going to end up dead from unsafe alternative abortion methods. So you have states like Mississippi that have just one abortion clinic servicing the entire state. But in these states that means you can still get an abortion, that's bad. So they pass legislation that regulates the fark out of just that one abortion clinic. So you take a look at that one abortion clinic - most of the doctors actually live out of state so they don't work at or have admitting privileges at Mississippi hospitals. Boom - new legislation requires all abortion providers to have admitting privileges at Mississippi hospitals. Oop, you're out of doctors now? Guess you gotta shut down, oh well. Link

Or another method - there are abortion clinics in Virginia, let's take a look at the buildings they work out of. The hallways are this wide and whatnot, okay got it. Boom - new legislation requiring abortion clinics have wider hallways. Oop, you can't afford to completely restructure your building? Guess you gotta shut down!

The only board member who dissented was James Edmondson, who said the new regulations deal mainly with physical standards such as the width of hallways and equipment specifications.

"The regulations are not designed to safeguard women's health; they are designed to close down as many clinics as possible," Edmondson said, noting that the shutdown would close clinics which provide many services to women other than abortion.
Link
 
2012-05-05 03:38:02 PM  
Holy shiat...Marylin Musgrave is involved? Satan's minions are certainly permeating power positions.

Oh, and fark YOU, Jan Brewer.
 
2012-05-05 03:38:21 PM  
Additionally, can there be a PSA that goes out on every TV station letting people know that their taxes do NOT fund abortions, but that they DO fund welfare? Something to chew on for all those people who say "I don't want to pay for other people's mistakes" when they complain about Planned Parenthood, etc.
 
2012-05-05 03:40:06 PM  
Can we officially call Arizona a failed state yet?
 
2012-05-05 03:42:49 PM  

mrjared: Can we officially call Arizona a failed state yet?


Not until the water runs out.

The good news is that most houses out in Maricopa don't come with any guarantee of water past 2016...
 
2012-05-05 03:44:53 PM  
www.amptoons.com
 
2012-05-05 03:51:09 PM  

lazyguineapig33: i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.



On what grounds?
 
2012-05-05 03:54:24 PM  
How much tax payer money will have been wasted in defending their crazy laws?
 
2012-05-05 03:57:04 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Good thing you don't then huh?


Isn't it alittle strange with how every time someone says this line and then its debunked that a few posts later another user tries the exact same line only to be debunked and another user does it?
 
2012-05-05 03:58:17 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Mrtraveler01: Good thing you don't then huh?

Isn't it alittle strange with how every time someone says this line and then its debunked that a few posts later another user tries the exact same line only to be debunked and another user does it?


I was just waiting for them to use the lame "well it's all BS accounting tricks" excuse.
 
2012-05-05 03:59:22 PM  

bwilson27: Selena Luna: Lenny_da_Hog: Selena Luna: I wonder if people realize that Arizona is not all the Phoenix metro area. When you ask Phoenix to secede, can't northern Arizona stay part of the states?

We'll take Flagstaff.

I live on the Navajo reservation. Most of the people here are sane, but everyone ignores them because they do rodeo.

It's really only Sun (Baked Brains) City and Snottsdale that make up the core of the GOP loonies here. All the rest of us have been convicted of some felony or another and can't vote.


Don't forget to throw some of the Mesa fat and flat craniums in the mix too.
 
2012-05-05 04:00:37 PM  
Yay, Arizona!
 
2012-05-05 04:02:08 PM  

lazyguineapig33: i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.


I don't have a problem with the country fighting multiple, unnessesary wars. I do have a problem paying for it.

/see what I did there
//you imagine your money is paying for the wars and I'll imagine I'm paying for healthcare
 
2012-05-05 04:03:34 PM  

violetvolume: Additionally, can there be a PSA that goes out on every TV station letting people know that their taxes do NOT fund abortions, but that they DO fund welfare? Something to chew on for all those people who say "I don't want to pay for other people's mistakes" when they complain about Planned Parenthood, etc.


It would not do any good. The "Hyde Amendment" has been law for more than 35 years. The people who can be swayed by reason and evidence already know this.

The people who are still "tryin' ta stop mah tacks dollers from payin fer you're aborshins" are not going to be convinced by anything. If you ran an ad that said:

" taxes do NOT fund abortions, but that they DO fund welfare"

all they would hear is

"taxes blah blah blah abortions blah blah blah welfare "

and they'd race out and tithe another 10% of their income to the GOP.
 
2012-05-05 04:09:08 PM  
FloydA:
all they would hear is

"taxes blah blah blah abortions blah blah blah welfare "

www.baddog.com
 
2012-05-05 04:09:20 PM  
Godammit. I love living in AZ because of the weather, but this is getting insane. I'm honestly considering moving out of state just because of all this nonsense.
 
2012-05-05 04:09:51 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Mrtraveler01: Good thing you don't then huh?

Isn't it alittle strange with how every time someone says this line and then its debunked that a few posts later another user tries the exact same line only to be debunked and another user does it?


they're just reading from the same script is all.
 
2012-05-05 04:11:59 PM  

NeverDrunk23: Mrtraveler01: Good thing you don't then huh?

Isn't it alittle strange with how every time someone says this line and then its debunked that a few posts later another user tries the exact same line only to be debunked and another user does it?


They're just taking turns using the family neuron.
 
2012-05-05 04:14:29 PM  
Only sluts need health care.
 
2012-05-05 04:19:43 PM  

Fart_Machine: Only sluts need health care.


If a gal is putting out, then you got to pay the costs to be the boss...
 
2012-05-05 04:21:02 PM  

FloydA: violetvolume: Additionally, can there be a PSA that goes out on every TV station letting people know that their taxes do NOT fund abortions, but that they DO fund welfare? Something to chew on for all those people who say "I don't want to pay for other people's mistakes" when they complain about Planned Parenthood, etc.

It would not do any good. The "Hyde Amendment" has been law for more than 35 years. The people who can be swayed by reason and evidence already know this.

The people who are still "tryin' ta stop mah tacks dollers from payin fer you're aborshins" are not going to be convinced by anything. If you ran an ad that said:

" taxes do NOT fund abortions, but that they DO fund welfare"

all they would hear is

"taxes blah blah blah abortions blah blah blah welfare "

and they'd race out and tithe another 10% of their income to the GOP.


I'm trying to be an idealist here. Your words make me sad :(
 
2012-05-05 04:21:40 PM  

lazyguineapig33: i dont have a problem with someone getting an abortion. i do have a problem paying for it.


Why?

I'm Canadian. My tax dollars do go towards abortion.

Makes sense to me on both an economic and moral level.
 
2012-05-05 04:26:42 PM  
"F*ck the poor!" -- Jesus

I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible somewhere.
 
2012-05-05 04:28:07 PM  

bwilson27: It's really only Sun City and Snottsdale that make up the core of the GOP loonies here. All the rest of us have been convicted of some felony or another and can't vote.


And:
Yuma
Flagstaff
Sierra Vista
Prescott
Show Low
Mesa
Queen Creek
Winslow
Payson
Parker
Havasu
Bullhead
Knigman
Wickenberg

And Don't forget the king of the loons
Quartzsite

It is easier to say that there are pockets of Sanity in AZ located in or near Phoenix, Tucson, Sedona and the Various Indn Rezs

And I know of good Republicans that vote even with their Felony Convictions

And Yet I still look to move back there from Californias Central Valley, yes it makes AZ seem sane
 
2012-05-05 04:28:19 PM  

abb3w: So, faith-based initiatives are even worse by this measure.


Also: Abortion is ~100% effective for its intended purpose. Prayer's efficacy remains indistinguishable from doing nothing at all. So by that metric, funding abortions would be a lot less wasteful of taxpayer money.


FloydA: It would not do any good. The "Hyde Amendment" has been law for more than 35 years. The people who can be swayed by reason and evidence already know this.


I'm not so sure. Some people are simply ignorant but otherwise reasonable. Granted, the herpsters don't care but I'm willing to bet there is a non-trivial number of people who are simply unaware of the issue because all they ever hear about is bullsh*t. Insular communities are very scary things.
=Smidge=
 
2012-05-05 04:46:28 PM  
Good, PP can seek private funding sources like it should have all along.

Alternately it can stop providing abortions and set up a completely separate organization that is privately funded for abortions and then it can once again receive public funding.

And no, I don't care if none of the public funding goes to abortion services provided by PP.
 
2012-05-05 04:49:40 PM  
Ole' McStain and his booze pushing wifey will raise those kids and provide for them. they care that much.
 
2012-05-05 05:02:56 PM  
According to Wiki Jan has only three kids!! Why doesn't she have a quiverful by now?? I think she should release her entire medical history so we can be sure she hasn't ever had an abortion or a prescription for b.c.
 
2012-05-05 05:03:27 PM  

randomjsa: Good, PP can seek private funding sources like it should have all along.

Alternately it can stop providing abortions and set up a completely separate organization that is privately funded for abortions and then it can once again receive public funding.

And no, I don't care if none of the public funding goes to abortion services provided by PP.


This post brought to you by Fark's Premiere Cut-And-Run Hatemonger. Because helping women is a terrible thing.
 
2012-05-05 05:04:41 PM  

randomjsa: Good, PP can seek private funding sources like it should have all along.

Alternately it can stop providing abortions and set up a completely separate organization that is privately funded for abortions and then it can once again receive public funding.

And no, I don't care if none of the public funding goes to abortion services provided by PP.


So you admit that you're lying and believe lies?
 
2012-05-05 05:23:26 PM  

randomjsa: Alternately it can stop providing abortions and set up a completely separate organization that is privately funded for abortions and then it can once again receive public funding.

And no, I don't care if none of the public funding goes to abortion services provided by PP.


Your trolling just doesn't even make any sense anymore.
 
2012-05-05 05:37:14 PM  
I get why people are against abortion. I believe they are wrong, but know better than to try to argue with someone over a deeply held religious belief. It's about as productive as arguing with a brick wall. So I understand why they don't want tax money going towards abortion. However, their actions will probably result in MORE abortions if PP is unable to provide low cost birth control to low income women.

Every sperm is precious. Every baby must be protected at all cost. Right up until the moment of birth. Then the little brat is a welfare leech on society.
 
2012-05-05 05:38:17 PM  

DSpencer: Now I know what it's like being a resident of Florida; watching the crazies in your home state ruin the reputation of normal people. We are not all right wing lunatics.


You better start proving it.
 
2012-05-05 06:09:12 PM  

hubiestubert: God must love poor people, because he made so dang many. Jan just wants to be sure that Arizona is basking in God's love. Afterall, when the illegals leave, someone's got to cutting the lawns and tearing down subdivisions...

You know, right before the water runs out, and they have to abandon the whole damn metro area.


Is this actually an issue on the horizon? I don't know Arizona ecology sustainability practices that well beyond, "lotta farkin' desert."

Alternatively, does this relate to when the GOP oilmen gets permission to poison the aquifer?
 
2012-05-05 06:09:14 PM  
Jesus, why is Arizona so f*cked up?

I wouldn't be spending any money there if I had the chance, seriously.
 
2012-05-05 06:13:52 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: "F*ck the poor!" -- Jesus

I'm pretty sure that's in the Bible somewhere.


Right after he had rich banquets with the money changers he welcomed into the temple every day. And after that was the whole 'Don't render unto Caesar, you dumb shiat! He's robbing you blind!'

And for him sake, don't even bring up his cover charge and lengthy bill people had to pay during that whole loaves and fish episode.
 
2012-05-05 06:22:57 PM  

Lenny_da_Hog: It's funny.

When the GOP pushed through the Faith-based initiatives, they promised us that no government money would go to the promotion of religion, then started giving money to religious organizations.

The same argument they use to shut down PP should be applied to all Faith-based initiatives as well.


Absolutely.

Ever tax dollar they receive frees up funds they use to promote religion.

/good for the goose....
 
2012-05-05 06:23:20 PM  
Hey Republicans, can you do me a solid and remind me how the GOP's war on women is all in my imagination?
 
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