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2012-05-05 02:23:04 PM

ultraholland: Three percent of all Planned Parenthood health services are abortion services.

Included in these "abortion services" is counseling which may convince a woman to not pursue an abortion.

Use of tax dollars already not going to abortions aside, let's just defund the whole damn thing so we may make our fantasy that much more legitimate. Fark you, fundies. Fark you so very much.


THIS. If they want to crusade against abortions, that's one thing. But abortions are only a small percent of what Planned Parenthood does. And ABORTIONS ARE LEGAL. Why take away all the good that Planned Parenthood does, because they also do something you don't like, even though they are in a complete legal right to do that thing you don't like?
 
2012-05-05 02:23:54 PM

KatjaMouse: Hobodeluxe: If I were Planned Parenthood I'd just pull up stakes and leave the state. Let the politicians deal with the fallout at the polls.

I think that's in direct conflict with their mission statement.


what the politicians are doing is in conflict with their duties too. PP can take the money and services put them where they're appreciated.
 
2012-05-05 02:24:35 PM

Hobodeluxe: If I were Planned Parenthood I'd just pull up stakes and leave the state. Let the politicians deal with the fallout at the polls.


problem is, the folks at PP have souls. they don't want to abandon women to their fate just because the GOP are being dicks.

this will most likely result in PP cutting services to lower income women...but it's not like the Republicans worship a god who gives a damn about the sick and poor.
 
2012-05-05 02:25:42 PM

KatjaMouse: Hobodeluxe: If I were Planned Parenthood I'd just pull up stakes and leave the state. Let the politicians deal with the fallout at the polls.

I think that's in direct conflict with their mission statement.


Perhaps in the short run. In the long run they might be able to go back and do more good. Just let AZ go, watch the cities turn into Detroit and the rural areas become Southwest Appalachia. Then, when things are dismal, maybe the people will realize just how good they had it. In the meantime PP can concentrate their efforts on actually helping people instead of wasting resources fighting obstructionism.
 
2012-05-05 02:26:27 PM

bwilson27:

It's really only Sun City and Snottsdale that make up the core of the GOP loonies here. All the rest of us have been convicted of some felony or another and can't vote.


Um, not saying that the rest of us would vote GOP, mind you...
 
2012-05-05 02:27:18 PM
If something nasty should happen to Republicans -- if, say, some nasty, very painful, and ultimately fatal illness should target only those poor little right-wing authoritarian assholes -- I should hope the rest of you would join me in expressing sorrow for their plight.

I think about five seconds would do it.
 
2012-05-05 02:27:52 PM
So, you're a single mother of two, your husband died in a car crash while you were pregnant with the second child. You don't have any family in the area. The only jobs you can find are under $15/hr., and most of those don't offer enough hours for benefits. You don't want an abortion, you just want a yearly pelvic exam, breast exam, and contraception because you realize having more kids now would be a disaster.

fark you!

Best healthcare in the world I was told a few years ago.
 
2012-05-05 02:29:34 PM
The solution is simple -

Rising From Ashes: THIS. If they want to crusade against abortions, that's one thing. But abortions are only a small percent of what Planned Parenthood does. And ABORTIONS ARE LEGAL. Why take away all the good that Planned Parenthood does, because they also do something you don't like, even though they are in a complete legal right to do that thing you don't like?


I agree with you completely but here's the reason - crusading directly against abortions was tried already and it didn't work. So they've moved on to alternative methods like defunding PP, passing really invasive legislation for abortions and passing legislation regulating the fark out of just abortion clinics so they can't afford to stay in business. They gave up on making abortions illegal and instead are aiming to make abortions impossible to get but still totally legal.

But defunding PP is not just about abortions, it's about Republicans and the right not wanting tax dollars to go to any sort of social safety net. They're fine with women getting health care, they just don't want to be the ones to pay for it. If that means a poor woman has to go without health care, whatevs.
 
2012-05-05 02:30:45 PM

Rising From Ashes: thing. But abortions are only a small percent of what Planned Parenthood does. And ABORTIONS ARE LEGAL. Why take away all the good that Planned Parenthood does, because they also do something you don't like, even though they are in a complete legal right to do that thing you don't like?


because the GOP is in scorched earth mode. Never mind the good that PP does, they PERFORM ABORTIONS! And that's the key - this has nothing to do with the good that PP does, it's about abortion. the Republican evangelicals believe that abortion is always wrong under any/all circumstances. they also believe that birth control is also wrong, always, no exceptions. Any organizaiton that opposes the evengelical/GOP view on reproductive rights is to be destroyed...even if that organization provides low cost health services to lower income women and takes a substantial fiscal burden off the state medical services tab.
 
2012-05-05 02:31:41 PM

Aquapope: Best healthcare in the world I was told a few years ago.


It is, you just have to be rich to get access to it.

Aquapope: You don't want an abortion, you just want a yearly pelvic exam, breast exam, and contraception because you realize having more kids now would be a disaster.


I believe the Republican response would be something along the lines of "stop being a whore and close your damn legs." No, seriously, that's pretty much what it is.
 
2012-05-05 02:32:34 PM
"By signing this measure into law I stand with the majority of Americans who oppose the use of taxpayer funds for abortion," Brewer said in a statement.

No Jan, you stand with the minority of Americans who are too stupid to figure out that abortion is a SMALL percentage of what PP does, and that it is very easy to make sure that taxpayers funds aren't used for abortions.

Dumb coont... I don't know why you idiots in Az re-elected her after her pretend run as governor expired, the voters of AZ has nobody to blame but themselves in this case.
 
2012-05-05 02:32:37 PM
It's amusing to watch all the ignorance occur in this thread.

The bill does not take anything away from women at all, they just have to go to alternative locations to get the services. What it does it stops a funding PP in any fashion so that they do not have the option to use state funds to perform abortions.
 
2012-05-05 02:34:13 PM

DSpencer: Now I know what it's like being a resident of Florida; watching the crazies in your home state ruin the reputation of normal people. We are not all right wing lunatics.


I have GOT to get out of this state.

/Floriduh. That there are enough people here who thought it would be a good idea to elect Rick Scott tells you all you need to know.
 
2012-05-05 02:34:37 PM

Weaver95: Never mind the good that PP does, they PERFORM ABORTIONS! And that's the key - this has nothing to do with the good that PP does, it's about abortion.


See I don't think that's the entire story, it's not just about abortions. The GOPers are just selling us a story that it's about abortions when in reality, it's just about not wanting to help subsidize health care for poor people. It's much easier to argue we should defund an entity that kills babies rather than argue we should defund basic health care for poor women.
 
2012-05-05 02:35:26 PM
The Republican-backed Whole Woman's Health Funding Priority Act cuts off funding for family planning and health services

I love how the GOP names these shiat bill exactly the opposite of what they really are.
 
2012-05-05 02:35:56 PM
Ah, thank God for Arizona.

Maybe their idiocy can move the focus away from Missouri for a while.
 
2012-05-05 02:36:31 PM

DarwiOdrade: [www.trbimg.com image 600x411]
farking leather-faced biatch can DIAF


Yeah, she's sure a looker, isn't she? I think they have it switched around though, she doesn't look "tough", which is ok in a political leader, she looks mean and nasty, which doesn't really help.
 
2012-05-05 02:36:43 PM
punkus: it stops a funding PP in any fashion so that they do not have the option to use state funds to perform abortions.

TFA: Arizona does not provide tax dollars for abortion

punkus: idiot or troll?
 
2012-05-05 02:37:50 PM

lennavan: Weaver95: Never mind the good that PP does, they PERFORM ABORTIONS! And that's the key - this has nothing to do with the good that PP does, it's about abortion.

See I don't think that's the entire story, it's not just about abortions. The GOPers are just selling us a story that it's about abortions when in reality, it's just about not wanting to help subsidize health care for poor people. It's much easier to argue we should defund an entity that kills babies rather than argue we should defund basic health care for poor women.


So instead of publicly stating the real colossally shiatty reasons they have for actions like this, they are 'spinning' it in terms of only the incredibly shiatty reasons
 
2012-05-05 02:38:29 PM

ultraholland: punkus: it stops a funding PP in any fashion so that they do not have the option to use state funds to perform abortions.

TFA: Arizona does not provide tax dollars for abortion

punkus: idiot or troll?


Can't he be both?
 
2012-05-05 02:40:23 PM

theknuckler_33: The Republican-backed Whole Woman's Health Funding Priority Act cuts off funding for family planning and health services

I love how the GOP names these shiat bill exactly the opposite of what they really are.


they do that on purpose. it's something they stole from Orwell.
 
2012-05-05 02:40:25 PM
In the meantime, oil companies engage in illegal and reckless acts and still receive taxpayer subsidies.
 
2012-05-05 02:41:42 PM
The GOP has lost its farking mind.

When I find out someone is a Republican voter, I can't help but think they are more than a little stupid and/or corrupt. It depressing that the highest concentration of these idiots is at church.
 
2012-05-05 02:41:56 PM

punkus: they just have to go to alternative locations to get the services.


Go be a woman somewhere else.
 
2012-05-05 02:42:14 PM

ladyfortuna: hubiestubert: GAT_00: hubiestubert: FloydA: TwistedIvory:
Looking to relocate in NY--Rochester region. Waiting for a banquet chef to leave at a placement with my old company. Closer to my daughter, and a lot more stables for the girl critter to put her horse up at.

You think relocating with a dog is a pain in tochis, try a damn Appaloosa...

You want to move TO Rochester or away? If to, try Victor or Farmington - lots of stables around, not too far from the highway that takes you into the city...


To. The ex-wife and my daughter are in Canandaigua, so Rochester is the closest urban center. Starting to sniff around the Finger Lakes area for gigs. Was thinking about taking a look at getting involved in some city politics when I finally settle and get residency--the ex-wife is involved in the Democrats' efforts in the area, and if SHE can get involved, I'd best do something to counter that particular brand of crazy...
 
2012-05-05 02:42:21 PM

bwilson27: It's really only Sun City and Snottsdale that make up the core of the GOP loonies here. All the rest of us have been convicted of some felony or another and can't vote.


The problem is that snowbirds get to vote, too. I can't remember if it's 3 months in the state or 4, but it works out that those retarded, senile blue hairs in Minnesota are in the state long enough to vote in state, county and city elections. It's also how Arpayaso keeps getting elected. These old biddies watch the news in Moose Fart, North Dakota about the big scary city, and then when they head to Mesa for the winter, they don't get shot in the line at the grocery store, so they assume it's because Bozo Joe has a tent city. Same effect happens with Jan Brewer, she gets her leathery mug on the TV, they watch the news and assume that she is doing something right because all of those desert beheadings haven't happened in their RV park each winter. It doesn't matter that Jan lies, they don't pay that much attention to the news, just enough for the soundbite, but no free thinking required.
 
2012-05-05 02:44:56 PM

abb3w: Lenny_da_Hog: The same argument they use to shut down PP should be applied to all Faith-based initiatives as well.

Not quite.

While politically impossible, it would be perfectly legal for the state to fully subsidize every abortion performed there. In contrast, it's unconstitutional for the state to provide money to subsidize performance of religious rituals.

So, faith-based initiatives are even worse by this measure.


I was unclear. I was talking about their argument against Federal funding.
 
2012-05-05 02:45:40 PM

Mrtraveler01: Ah, thank God for Arizona.

Maybe their idiocy can move the focus away from Missouri for a while.


It's nice that it has taken the focus away from Utah, that's for sure... The last few years has been brutal for political Derptitude, but we haven't made hardly any news lately, thanks in large part to AZ.
 
2012-05-05 02:46:11 PM

Mikey1969: DarwiOdrade: [www.trbimg.com image 600x411]
farking leather-faced biatch can DIAF

Yeah, she's sure a looker, isn't she? I think they have it switched around though, she doesn't look "tough", which is ok in a political leader, she looks mean and nasty, which doesn't really help.


Tough like an overcooked piece of cheap meat.
 
2012-05-05 02:47:24 PM

GhostFish: In the meantime, oil companies engage in illegal and reckless acts and still receive taxpayer subsidies.


Because job creators.
 
2012-05-05 02:48:44 PM

FloydA: TwistedIvory: Wow, maybe it's time to leave this state.


Then who will be left to vote against these idiots?


Fark'em. They want to become the next Mississippi go right ahead.
 
2012-05-05 02:48:51 PM
Republicans see everything in black and white. Only 3% of their business are abortions? That means ALL THEY DO ARE ABORTIONS. How else can you explain the "Abortion-centered businesses..." description of PP from that SBAL mouthpiece Musgrave?
 
2012-05-05 02:49:47 PM

punkus: It's amusing to watch all the ignorance occur in this thread.

The bill does not take anything away from women at all, they just have to go to alternative locations to get the services. What it does it stops a funding PP in any fashion so that they do not have the option to use state funds to perform abortions.


Obvious troll is obvious, but I will bite:

The Hyde Amendment, US Law since 1976.

The largest bastion of the "Ignorance in this thread" is your post.

/Please continue the myth that the GOP war on Women does not exist.
 
2012-05-05 02:52:44 PM

punkus: What it does it stops a funding PP in any fashion so that they do not have the option to use state funds to perform abortions.


So the GOP should stop faith-based charities, because some of their money might go to the spread of religion, even though the churches have promised to put the funds into charities.

/Accounting? How does it work?
 
2012-05-05 02:55:01 PM
As an Arizona resident, I in favor of this bill.

I am pro choice, with limits on late term abortions. PP provides services that are vital to women. If you have an unwanted pregnancy, you should have the right to terminate it if that is your decision.

Do you need PP services. fine, pay for it, all's good.
 
2012-05-05 02:59:29 PM

pxsteel: As an Arizona resident, I in favor of this bill.

I am pro choice, with limits on late term abortions. PP provides services that are vital to women. If you have an unwanted pregnancy, you should have the right to terminate it if that is your decision.

Do you need PP services. fine, pay for it, all's good.


I feel the same way about my tax dollars going towards your public school education. Why the hell did I have to subsidize that?
 
2012-05-05 02:59:38 PM

pxsteel: As an Arizona resident, I in favor of this bill.

I am pro choice, with limits on late term abortions. PP provides services that are vital to women. If you have an unwanted pregnancy, you should have the right to terminate it if that is your decision.

Do you need PP services. fine, pay for it, all's good.


Let me share my personal experience as someone who was underemployed once and had no health insurance. As a young and sexually active woman I was in need of getting my annual pelvic exam and was also in need of a cheaper birth control, as without a co-pay it was going to be $60 a month out of pocket. Thanks to PP I had an exam at about half the cost as I would have gotten at a private practice and got a prescription for a cheaper BC and had the option of even getting a cheaper rate at their own clinic than at the local pharmacy.

That's what the state funds do for people.
 
2012-05-05 03:01:56 PM

KatjaMouse: Let me share my personal experience as someone who was underemployed once and had no health insurance. As a young and sexually active woman whore I was in need of getting my annual pelvic exam and was also in need of a cheaper birth control, as without a co-pay it was going to be $60 a month out of pocket. Thanks to PP I had an exam at about half the cost as I would have gotten at a private practice and got a prescription for a cheaper BC and had the option of even getting a cheaper rate at their own clinic than at the local pharmacy.

That's what the state funds do for people.


FTFY. I'm pretty sure this means you owe me a sex tape.

/eip
 
2012-05-05 03:02:02 PM

ultraholland: punkus: it stops a funding PP in any fashion so that they do not have the option to use state funds to perform abortions.

TFA: Arizona does not provide tax dollars for abortion


punkus: idiot or troll?


Mmm, doesn't look bright enough to be a troll. My money's on "Idiot".

WhoIsNotInMyKitchen: The GOP has lost its farking mind.

When I find out someone is a Republican voter, I can't help but think they are more than a little stupid and/or corrupt. It's depressing that the highest concentration of these idiots is at church.


The fact that they claim the moral high ground is what slays me here.

Also... putting a female face (albeit a leathery, lizard-like female face) on the GOP's War on Women does not make them look better, as they seem to think, it only makes them look worse.

/Until we get a proper Arizona Tag up in this muthapuppy I suppose the Sick Tag will just have to do.
 
2012-05-05 03:02:25 PM

GleeUnit: vernonFL: So Arizona taxpayers won't pay for prenatal care or abortion, but when those unwanted children whose mothers had no support grow up to be criminals, Arizona taxpayers will pay for them to go to prison.

Just how Jesus would have wanted. Why do you hate Jesus?


prisoners have better care, no rights but better care than the poor, probably because we don't allow cruel and unusual punishment...
 
2012-05-05 03:02:51 PM
So Arizona just sucks all the way around, then?

We should just give it back to Mexico.
 
2012-05-05 03:03:47 PM

pxsteel: As an Arizona resident, I in favor of this bill.

I am pro choice, with limits on late term abortions. PP provides services that are vital to women. If you have an unwanted pregnancy, you should have the right to terminate it if that is your decision.

Do you need PP services. fine, pay for it, all's good.


The preventative services (birth control, cancer screening, abortions) of planned parenthood likely save you money. If a girl can't afford an abortion or birth control she won't be able to pay the hospital bill to have the baby delivered and will likely be on public support to provide for it.

If you only care about the financial and not moral aspect you should be pissed off how much this will cost.
 
2012-05-05 03:06:22 PM

lennavan: KatjaMouse: Let me share my personal experience as someone who was underemployed once and had no health insurance. As a young and sexually active woman whore I was in need of getting my annual pelvic exam and was also in need of a cheaper birth control, as without a co-pay it was going to be $60 a month out of pocket. Thanks to PP I had an exam at about half the cost as I would have gotten at a private practice and got a prescription for a cheaper BC and had the option of even getting a cheaper rate at their own clinic than at the local pharmacy.

That's what the state funds do for people.

FTFY. I'm pretty sure this means you owe me a sex tape.

/eip

EIB

I'm pretty sure that's what you meant, right?
 
2012-05-05 03:09:15 PM

hubiestubert: GAT_00: hubiestubert: FloydA: TwistedIvory: Wow, maybe it's time to leave this state.


Then who will be left to vote against these idiots?

I tried. The tide is heavy on the side of folks who are very passionate about showing how butch they are living the dream and sucking the life out of the surrounding areas...

There's other hockey teams that need chefs.

Also, enjoy the Peter Hamilton. You're going to have to re-read the intro later on. You're going to have trouble following the amount of stuff he throws at you right away. Fun series, terrible ending.

I'm re-reading it. Got the series when it came out, but in a cycle of going back and reading stuff again. After the Dysfunction series, going to hit Alan Steele's Near Space stuff, because Alan does working class science fiction better than anyone else.

Looking to relocate in NY--Rochester region. Waiting for a banquet chef to leave at a placement with my old company. Closer to my daughter, and a lot more stables for the girl critter to put her horse up at.

You think relocating with a dog is a pain in tochis, try a damn Appaloosa...


Scottsville, NY. It's out where the 'burbs meet the boonies. Inexpensive, and plenty of places to keep a horse. Not too far from the city proper, either.
 
2012-05-05 03:14:32 PM
You can tell a lot about people by how they treat the most vulnerable.

Poor pregnant women who need prenatal care, a poor woman who thinks she felt a lump in her breast and wants to get it checked out. A pregnant teenager with nowhere else to turn.
 
2012-05-05 03:16:27 PM
Has anyone noticed if for-profit abortion clinics are starting to pop up in these no taxpayer abortion states?
 
2012-05-05 03:18:10 PM

vernonFL: A pregnant teenager with nowhere else to turn.


The biggest problem that PP and other abortion clinics are battling is google bombing the term "abortion clinic". If you are a stressed out pregnant teen or woman who needs an abortion and you type that into your search engine you're going to be directed 9/10 times to one of those fake clinics that uses Jesus to talk you out of it. Or they use deceit and push back appointments and pretty much keep these women from getting the procedure at all.

Meanwhile legit clinics who don't want to be labeled as an "abortion clinic" get lost in no man's land and rely mostly on referrals.
 
2012-05-05 03:19:45 PM

vernonFL: You can tell a lot about people by how they treat the most vulnerable.

Poor pregnant women who need prenatal care, a poor woman who thinks she felt a lump in her breast and wants to get it checked out. A pregnant teenager with nowhere else to turn.


Has Supply Side Jesus taught you nothing?
 
2012-05-05 03:21:41 PM

vernonFL: You can tell a lot about people by how they treat the most vulnerable.

Poor pregnant women who need prenatal care, a poor woman who thinks she felt a lump in her breast and wants to get it checked out. A pregnant teenager with nowhere else to turn.


I very much doubt the Republican legislative agenda stacks up very well with the teaching of Christ. nothing the Republicans stand for is very Christ-like.
 
2012-05-05 03:21:41 PM

theteacher: Has anyone noticed if for-profit abortion clinics are starting to pop up in these no taxpayer abortion states?


Most abortion clinics are for-profit because they're usually an offshoot of an OBGYN practice already. The trick is getting information on them if you aren't directly referred to one from a regular doctor.

My best friend's mother is the head nurse of such a practice. 1) yes, she's provided abortions for pro-life protesters. 2) she has many stories about the misinformation patients had been given before they had "discovered" the clinic before the legal cut off for getting an abortion.
 
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