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(Your Health)   Reasons to be Amish: No asthma and no allergies. Reasons not to be Amish: Electricity and alcohol   (yourhealth.com.sg) divider line 79
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2012-05-05 10:05:16 AM
my fav thing about the PA Amish is how they stress they just want to be left alone to live and worship as they please. while making sure there are highly detailed tourist pamphlets in racks for a 500 mile radius, complete with maps showing how to get there so you can buy their goodies.

-- take ill behaviored children there. besides being bored to death they'll realize just how sweet they have it back home.
 
2012-05-05 10:06:36 AM

StaggerLee76: The Amish drink beer. I lived in Lancaster PA while in college and I learned that the majority of DUI stops were drunk amish in buggies. They love beer.

They also smoke crack at barn dances - totally true (for the young ones anyhow).


If anyone deserves to get drunk, it's the Amish. I get smashed from boredom when I'm sitting around with only my tv, dvd, computer, smart phone and x-box to keep me occupied.

I wonder how they get crack though. I'm one of the "English" and I wouldn't have any idea how to score crack.
 
2012-05-05 10:06:59 AM

Jarhead_h: So let's see how this breaks down. Without exposure to mass amounts of petrochemicals in all areas of life, likely shunning vaccines and other dogmas of western medicine, and being physically active and continuously outdoors, they are basically healthier than average Americans who are constantly exposed to plastics and food preservatives, do whatever the guy in the white lab coat tells them to without question, and who think that lifting the remote counts as a form of exercise. Except they are also suffering from inbreeding which is causing serious genetic problems that are starting to compound exponentially.

Solution: start recruiting new people. I'm sure there are all kinds of evangelicals that would at least try it out if seriously offered it, and we aren't short of them in the States.


It has nothing to do with modern petrochemicals, etc...It has to do with exposure to what is in nature building up the immune system. You find the same thing among people who grow up out in the boonies and play in cow shiat (like me). No allergies and very little illness.
 
2012-05-05 10:08:23 AM

kim jong-un: Mugato: I never understood the Amish. How did they pick the 1800s as the cut off point for lifestyle and farming techniques? I don't think that's in the Bible.

It doesn't have to do with the Bible, it has to do with luxury, dependence, and similar concepts.

In the more mainstream groups, the deciding factor is that if something is a demonstration of wealth, or luxury, it is shunned. If something can be done without, then that's how you do it. If you can't do without something, then it may be permitted. The decision of incorporation of a technology is usually left up to the elders.

Having grown up in 'Amish Country' it wasn't uncommon to see a guy pull up to a gas station in a buggy and fill up several containers full of gasoline or diesel to bring back to power the equipment back on the farm.

The Amish don't necessarily sun electricity either, what they really shun is the grid/dependence on others. There are such things as propane powered refrigerators for example. The Amish are one of or the only group that is actually exempted from Social Security because insurance is literally against their belief system (as a form of gambling/dependence)

You will also see them readily employ modern equipment in their businesses if such equipment is necessary. Businesses require phones, and thus there will be phones in the office of an Amish business. Sometimes a group of Amish will share a 'community' phone.

It's not for me, but it's not what people see on TV either.


I have heard that Amish children are not required to go to school beyond the 8th Grade. Is that true?
 
2012-05-05 10:09:45 AM

Jarhead_h: Solution: start recruiting new people. I'm sure there are all kinds of evangelicals that would at least try it out if seriously offered it, and we aren't short of them in the States


Felons. If you're a felon you're pretty much farked in modern society anyway. Join the Amish. A lot of people find Jesus in prison and I don't just mean their cell mate. It could appeal to them.
 
2012-05-05 10:13:09 AM

Mugato: I never understood the Amish. How did they pick the 1800s as the cut off point for lifestyle and farming techniques? I don't think that's in the Bible.


I've always wondered the same thing. How about a religion where it's a complete throw back all the way to the caveman days? That would be a total rejection of technology. Whatever they had in the 1800's was probably considered "hi-tech" at the time.
 
2012-05-05 10:15:13 AM
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Supreme Industries in Goshen Indiana is a $300million dollar company that makes small buses and specialty trucks. They have a large number of Amish employees (I consulted with them for while) The Amish are exempted from rules against the use of modern tools while working for "The English" which is how they identify non-Amish for some reason.

On a funny side note an Amish fell asleep at the reins an drove his buggy through a store front one evening while I was there
 
2012-05-05 10:23:45 AM

Mugato: I wonder how they get crack though. I'm one of the "English" and I wouldn't have any idea how to score crack.


As it turns out, Lancaster is a big distribution point for drugs. Geographically it sits at a convenient spot to come up from the south and split off up to new york/new england, philly, and the midwest...So, there's plenty of drugs. True, I don't know where they meet the dealers but I know guys have been caught posing as Amish and hiding stuff in barns.
 
2012-05-05 10:44:42 AM

Mugato: So what's the medicine situation with the Amish? Do they break down and accept western medicine or if you catch something beyond the ability of 19th century medicine you're farked? That could explain some of it.


As in, no adults with asthma, but a very high rate of children dying of it undiagnosed?
 
2012-05-05 10:51:46 AM
They also arent subjugated to vaccination, either. Jussayin
 
2012-05-05 10:52:52 AM

pciszek: Mugato: So what's the medicine situation with the Amish? Do they break down and accept western medicine or if you catch something beyond the ability of 19th century medicine you're farked? That could explain some of it.

As in, no adults with asthma, but a very high rate of children dying of it undiagnosed?


Something like that. But again, I don't know how much modern medicine the Amish accept.

/knows nothing about the Amish except from Witness, Kingpin and this thread
 
2012-05-05 11:25:43 AM
Reason to be Amish.

The farked up joke known as the american economy.
 
2012-05-05 11:30:05 AM
Hook worms maybe?

And Amish drink, subby.
 
2012-05-05 11:39:50 AM
Wow, digging these comments.

Amish don't drink? Yeah about that. They also don't trade in meth, right?

Amish only grow organically. You should see their bills to the chemical giants.

Amish don't persecute each other through petty acts of sectarian violence, unless it's an Unwanted Late Night Shave and a
Haircut.

It really isn't a bad lifestyle, but they can keep it.
 
2012-05-05 11:44:00 AM
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2012-05-05 12:16:24 PM

Slam1263: Wow, digging these comments.


You also forgot sexual abuse and incestrial rape
 
2012-05-05 12:18:35 PM

Mugato: I don't know how much modern medicine the Amish accept.


As far as I know they go to doctors. There was one in my wife's medical school class.
 
2012-05-05 12:22:02 PM
I think if you go abroad you'll find many fewer incidences of asthma and allergies as well.
 
2012-05-05 12:26:04 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The Amish have a phobia of technology right up until they get snowed in and the dairy trucks are late. Then all of a sudden you hear a whirrr from every farmstead from Gap to Lancaster, from Bird In Hand to Paradise. And over the sound of all these sex toys is the thrum of their diesel generators, pasteurizing the milk and then keeping it cold afterward.

It's just business.


7/10. I almost bit.
 
2012-05-05 12:43:28 PM
Well it makes sense. The Amish aren't pussies. They breed the pussy gene right out of their kids.

Seriously, when is that last time you heard someone say "I have asthma!" (whiny voice) and that person WASN'T a pussy? Never, right? Why? Because asthma is a pussy disease only weak, petulant, spoiled children get. Real children don't have time for asthma.

farking pussies.
 
2012-05-05 02:27:02 PM
There was a study very similar to this and it's likely that the lifestyle and it's lack of "hygienic" touches actually leads to a more robust individual, see the natural killer cells in your body are quite strong at childhood, and are trying to protect you as best they can, if exposed to a serious disease early in childhood, your body's immune response is thought condition itself to those types of threats, but viral detection systems are coded to recognize certain proteins and your immune system attacks cells with those particular proteins embedded in their cell wall, thus allergies.

Additionally the number of tINK cells matter, as those with serious childhood infections have a reduced number of these cells later in life than those peers who did not, and subsequently less incidence of allergies. So really what this is all about is whether or not you were exposed to dirty conditions as a kid.

And no you're slob whore mother does not count.
 
2012-05-05 02:28:56 PM

Lsherm: Well it makes sense. The Amish aren't pussies. They breed the pussy gene right out of their kids.

Seriously, when is that last time you heard someone say "I have asthma!" (whiny voice) and that person WASN'T a pussy? Never, right? Why? Because asthma is a pussy disease only weak, petulant, spoiled children get. Real children don't have time for asthma.

farking pussies.


It's not that. They just choose not to wallow in misery or induldge in self-pity
 
2012-05-05 02:45:25 PM

kim jong-un: Mugato: I never understood the Amish. How did they pick the 1800s as the cut off point for lifestyle and farming techniques? I don't think that's in the Bible.

It doesn't have to do with the Bible, it has to do with luxury, dependence, and similar concepts.

In the more mainstream groups, the deciding factor is that if something is a demonstration of wealth, or luxury, it is shunned. If something can be done without, then that's how you do it. If you can't do without something, then it may be permitted. The decision of incorporation of a technology is usually left up to the elders.

Having grown up in 'Amish Country' it wasn't uncommon to see a guy pull up to a gas station in a buggy and fill up several containers full of gasoline or diesel to bring back to power the equipment back on the farm.

The Amish don't necessarily sun electricity either, what they really shun is the grid/dependence on others. There are such things as propane powered refrigerators for example. The Amish are one of or the only group that is actually exempted from Social Security because insurance is literally against their belief system (as a form of gambling/dependence)

You will also see them readily employ modern equipment in their businesses if such equipment is necessary. Businesses require phones, and thus there will be phones in the office of an Amish business. Sometimes a group of Amish will share a 'community' phone.

It's not for me, but it's not what people see on TV either.


There's no Central Amish Church to decide these things. Different communities make their own rules. The community is basically like a gigantic, extra-invasive form of an HOA which doesn't just care what color you paint your house but literally what you wipe your ass with. Yet there's not a lot of hate for it. HOAs are run by neighbors you don't know or care about who seek to make themselves self-important, and pretend it's about "community", whereas you've got your own job and family and move every 5 years and don't give a flying fark about the HOA president who lives two blocks over. Amish are more democratic and representative and an actual community. It works that way because it's so static there.

They have to deal with technology issues all the time. The issue comes up, they sit back and let people do it for awhile rather than a knee-jerk reaction, and they talk about it for awhile and decide if it's "Amish" or not.

Comes up a lot. I saw some stuff about Amish "hackers" building new machines and things to suit their needs. Including making pneumatic (compressed air) home appliances to circumvent the restrictions on electricity in the home. Whether it's "allowed" or not, and the extent to which it's allowed, gets decided eventually.

Whether the technology is permitted or not has less to do with outside dependence than their rustic "aesthetic". Dependence on electricity at work (which could be supplied by an external electric company) is NOT forbidden, although there is indeed a distinct aversion to any and all contracts with outside entities. Electricity in the home IS forbidden, because once you put that in, it's hard to stop the TVs and Xboxes from sneaking in. Individuals DO often try to push the limits and defy the community rules all the time, they're hardly a homogeneous zealous crew. Electricity is just a practical ban to enforce, rather than hunting down individual TVs.

Solar sometimes gets accepted. Not because it's not dependent upon outside services so much as that it's inherently limited in how much you can use it for. They're tired of the fire risk of gas lights in the home (they do use gas lights) and need to charge batteries to run the electric lights required for a buggy on the road.

Refrigeration is by icebox, or oddly enough, the Servel adsorption gas-powered refrigerator. These are still used in RVs. That cycle was widely used prior to the invention of Freon. No moving parts, totally sealed, it's a maze of tubing where anhydrous ammonia and hydrogen are separated in a boiler and naturally rise and bubble upwards where they cool back to room temp and then recombine up top where an endothermic reaction ensues, it gets below 32F. These are expensive and far less practical than electrics, but don't use electricity.
 
2012-05-05 02:47:06 PM

Lsherm: .Seriously, when is that last time you heard someone say "I have asthma!" (whiny voice) and that person WASN'T a pussy? Never, right? Why? Because asthma is a pussy disease only weak, petulant, spoiled children get. Real children don't have time for asthma.


2/10
 
2012-05-05 02:58:12 PM

Trance750:

I have heard that Amish children are not required to go to school beyond the 8th Grade. Is that true?


True. I teach at a majority Amish public school; 8th grade graduation is a big deal.
 
2012-05-05 04:00:59 PM

kim jong-un: desertfool: [www.demotivationalposters.org image 640x517]

Beard's wrong. He isn't in the military is he? Lose the mustache.


Yeah, and I missed the yellow "livestrong" bracelet as well. Anyway, both he and the cow looked satisfied.
 
2012-05-05 04:40:26 PM

Mugato: So what's the medicine situation with the Amish? Do they break down and accept western medicine or if you catch something beyond the ability of 19th century medicine you're farked? That could explain some of it.


No, they go to the doctor when necessary. Their incidences of cancer, alcoholism & tobacco useage are lower too, but they have a higher incidence of certain genetic disorders such as dwarfism & metabolic disorders. The latter is due mainly because almost all Amish descend from about 200 18th-century founders.
 
2012-05-05 09:12:53 PM

StaggerLee76: They also smoke crack at barn dances - totally true (for the young ones anyhow).


If you've ever been to a barn dance you know why they smoke crack. It's really the only way a young person can get through one of those things..
 
2012-05-06 01:33:38 PM

erewhon: Worms. It's worms. You get some worms by walking around with bare feet in cow flop, drinking raw milk or whatnot, and you will have no allergies.

/It's SCIENCE!


It's not science, it's Radio Lab! Parasites!
 
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