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(NW Florida Daily News)   Most awesome response ever after a cop asks for a man's ID just because he was walking through a neighborhood known as a high-crime area: "(Expletive) you, that's for you to figure out"   (nwfdailynews.com) divider line 115
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2012-05-05 10:38:13 AM  
7 votes:

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


actually...no. the cops DO NOT have an absolute right to require identification, nor do you have an obligation to always carry ID. there are limits on what the police can demand from random passerby.

not that it matters...we've been training people to be good little authoritarians for a while now and most people don't know or care about their rights anymore.
2012-05-05 07:27:36 AM  
7 votes:
I mean, it's great and all that he acted like a 14 year old to the cop but...

FTFA: A 47-year-old man was charged April 23 with misdemeanor resisting officer without violence

...so now he has this headache to deal with for the next couple of months.

I don't think it's right to have to display ID without any probable cause on the cops part, but I think there are better ways to get laws changed than saying "fark you" to a cop.
2012-05-05 07:09:32 AM  
7 votes:
" Let me see your papers, citizen. What is your purpose for walking this sidewalk, comrade?"
2012-05-05 10:35:45 AM  
6 votes:
Lucky for him it was a cop who has rules he must follow. If it was a neighborhood watchman then he would have been shot outright.
2012-05-05 09:45:00 AM  
6 votes:

Mugato: And I'm white.


The rules say stop one white guy for every one hundred and ninety nine brown people, just to say "No way, we stop white people too!". The rules also specify the White Guy should doing something utterly innocuous so there is no chance of being forced to arrest him.
2012-05-05 07:13:15 AM  
6 votes:
Actually the correct response would be " I appreciate your efforts to keep the neighborhood safe, but you don't have the right to ask me that. If you'd like, I'll wait here while you call your supervisor and we can discuss it"
2012-05-05 10:37:58 AM  
5 votes:
"I have nothing to say. Am I free to go or am I being detained"

Repeat as necessary.
2012-05-05 08:26:14 AM  
5 votes:
And of course he gets arrested for that. Papers citizen, if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide.
2012-05-05 07:26:30 AM  
5 votes:
I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.
2012-05-05 10:36:55 AM  
4 votes:

Mugato: No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.


But you are still a slave.
2012-05-05 05:36:36 AM  
4 votes:
Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.
2012-05-05 02:00:56 AM  
4 votes:
Good man.
2012-05-05 10:38:21 AM  
3 votes:
Unfortunately, iirc there's court precedent saying you do have to identify yourself if police ask you to.

However, I agree with MLK, Jr., that sometimes passively resisting an unjust law and taking the consequences for that passive resistance is the best way to deal with an unjust law.

Good for the the guy for taking a stand.
2012-05-05 10:37:58 AM  
3 votes:
Terrydatroll: You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.

I do realize what you're doing, but still I want to point out that everyone is a potential criminal. Even active criminals have the potential to commit more crimes. And dead people can at least be accomplices, and it's hard to prove they're unwilling.
2012-05-05 10:35:59 AM  
3 votes:
Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.
2012-05-05 10:10:30 AM  
3 votes:
A 47-year-old man was charged April 23 with misdemeanor resisting officer without violence.

he'll beat that charge, AND he's got a fairly decent shot at a civil rights violation case as well.
2012-05-05 02:12:38 AM  
3 votes:
Make the douchebag cop work for minimum wage for the next year just to remind him what he's worth in the real world.
2012-05-05 02:23:39 PM  
2 votes:
csb,
A couple months back I was driving a broken down piece of shiat pontiac grand am. I got a flat tire and pulled over, in a kinda nice area, 2 blocks from my house. Before I had the car jacked up, 1 cop car with 2 cops showed up. Now, I've got the spare on the sidewalk next to me, the jack under the car, and I'm cranking away.

Cop1: What you doing?
me: Uh...
Cop2: can I see your ID please
me: No, actually you can't, as you can see, I'm a little busy. Try back in about 15 minutes if you'd like to pull me over.
Cop1: What is with the attitude?
Cop2: Take it easy.
Me: If you guys want to help, shine those flashlights on the tire, not my face. (at this point, I waived my own flashlight in their faces.

At this point, another cop car rolls up and two more cops get out. Now, this is a nice area, and it's 2:30am. But it's a small town, there can't be this many cops on duty... Then another car rolls up. Gawd!

Cop4:Did you run his ID?
Cop2: He hasn't shown it to us

Cop4,5: Hey guy, can I get your ID from you?
Me: Sure, you come over here and change this tire, and I'll get my ID out. How does that sound?

Cop5: I think I'd just rather have your ID, can you get it?
Me:(stops what I'm doing, reaches into car, hands over business card).

Cops 12345: We have to go. Be safe.
Business Card: LAW OFFICES OF ...

Damn right you had to go.
2012-05-05 12:43:26 PM  
2 votes:
I live in CO, one of those listed "Stop and ID" states.

So- if I've done absolutely nothing wrong and have zero criminal history, and am stopped by a cop and asked for my name or ID, and if I keep my big stupid mouth shut for the duration of my interaction with him or any other police in accordance with my Fifth Amendment rights, what happens?

/I can't wait until all the tin soldiers are lined up for the revolution, personally
2012-05-05 11:26:03 AM  
2 votes:
I got ID'd for sitting in a parked car in the parking lot of my neighborhood Mormon church. And I'm white, male, AND Mormon. The thing is, there's usually a reason, regardless of if the dingleberries in the thread want to acknowledge it. In my case, it was 10 o'clock at night on a Friday, and there had been a string of vandalisms.

As for this comment: "Live in a state without S&I by deliberate choice."
Really? Getting questioned by the police is such a concern in your life that you purposely moved to a State where you could refuse to give them your name?
i.qkme.me
2012-05-05 11:20:54 AM  
2 votes:
I guess I should add, until you've seen unfairness given out by the local law enforcement, you think that cops are ok. They are not. At least not the ones around here, from what I've witnessed. And unfairly they do favor the whites, and usually they're the ones doing crime just being quieter about it, I suppose. Our house had a bad reputation for a looong time. But since we cut our grass now, we have no pigs upon our back. Our next door neighbor, a sweet, quiet widow who's grass we cut has been harassed 2 times so far this spring and a swear it's for nothing more than being the wrong color. Goes to church, never has guests, etc, etc.
2012-05-05 11:14:34 AM  
2 votes:

lewismarktwo: gingerjet: Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.

I don't carry an ID when I'm cycling or running. Why would you?

He didn't. It never happened. They only stop poor looking folk in 'high crime' areas that all happen to be in black neighborhoods or the projects. Like black kids waiting for the bus or walking to the store or slanging crack.


Yes. This. I live in the 'hood, so to speak-love where I live but have now for the first time in my life witnessed cops both Denver and Aurora act as thugs. I get that I guess that they have to, but for pity's sake, we live in a really mixed community, Whites, Blacks, Latinos and Asians all in a 2 or 3 block radius, we seriously don't have big problems around here unless someone does something stupid. I have seen cops stop little kids (white and black so far that I've seen personally) pat them down, and written tickets for what appears to be riding their bikes/foot scooters in the bike lane. Maybe I'm wrong, but even though I'm a white girl from the suburbs, I don't trust the cops around here any further than I can throw them, which ain't far. And we're not high class folks here, we just live in a working class neighborhood. We have gangs but even those folks are tolerable to a point. I should say, however, I don't walk outside by myself at night, though, but I don't care how many cops you get on this beat, they can't fix it, so leave all of us alone, ok? Unless you have actual hard evidence. Then I'll give you all the ID you want, officer, no problem.
2012-05-05 11:13:14 AM  
2 votes:
Don't talk to police at all. Ever.
2012-05-05 11:11:48 AM  
2 votes:
I just avoid those guys completely. Cops, I mean. I smile and nod at them, and get to the other side of the street as soon as possible. Sure, there are good ones out there, but the bad ones will ruin your life and at this point in American history, the cops are just another gang that will harass you on the streets. The problem is that they're a legally-sanctioned gang. I know better than to tempt fate.
2012-05-05 11:05:52 AM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.

welcome to the New America.


It's only a "New America" for white folk. For black and brown people, it's business as usual.

See also: outrage at TSA.
2012-05-05 10:58:21 AM  
2 votes:
I don't carry ID when I'm out for a walk. Only if I'm driving. If some cop around here stopped me and asked me for ID, I'd probably laugh at him. And they'd probably drive away, because duh, it's a person out for a walk with her dog.

Damn, I'm glad I don't live in "civilization."
2012-05-05 10:56:38 AM  
2 votes:

smadge1: I got ID'd by a cop while I was sitting in a car while I was waiting to meet some one in a church parking lot.

It was my mother's car, but still...


In all fairness, 99% of the times I have been "sitting in a car while I was waiting to meet someone in a church parking lot", that someone was a weed dealer.
2012-05-05 10:55:45 AM  
2 votes:

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


WRONG. The police may ask you your name. You have to reply truthfully. No I.D. required.
Rights are like muscles, they get weak if you don't exercise them.
2012-05-05 10:52:41 AM  
2 votes:

Mugato: AbbeySomeone: Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.

Why did they ask?

No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.


Nice. I tend to get a little paranoid. Same thing happened to me (without the "explosives" question), but I'm a slightly darker skinned Latino and all of my neighbors are white.
When I first moved into my neighborhood, I was jogging and a police cruiser pulled up and started asking questions, including, "what are you up to?" (asked in a nice way, of course). I answered, "Just going for a run... I moved in a few days ago because I was hired as a civil rights attorney at a nearby firm."

"Oh! Well... have a good day." And off he went.

I'd like to think it was totally innocuous, but past experience has shown me that police don't like it when the person they're talking to is well versed on their rights, so if the situation is innocent enough, they don't push it.

/maybe it WAS a harmless, but I don't risk it. Heard enough of my friends tell me about bad experiences with the "innocent questions"
2012-05-05 10:49:06 AM  
2 votes:

Smokey the Bare: I mean, it's great and all that he acted like a 14 year old to the cop but...

FTFA: A 47-year-old man was charged April 23 with misdemeanor resisting officer without violence

...so now he has this headache to deal with for the next couple of months.

I don't think it's right to have to display ID without any probable cause on the cops part, but I think there are better ways to get laws changed than saying "fark you" to a cop.


Resisting arrest without violence shouldn't be against the law, it should be a civic duty! This is especially true when the cops actions are so blatently against the constitution.
2012-05-05 10:47:49 AM  
2 votes:

Terrydatroll: you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification


No you do not
You must give a name, then stfu
2012-05-05 10:42:40 AM  
2 votes:
Only a white man can get away with a response like that.
2012-05-05 10:35:45 AM  
2 votes:

vernonFL: Actually the correct response would be " I appreciate your efforts to keep the neighborhood safe, but you don't have the right to ask me that. If you'd like, I'll wait here while you call your supervisor and we can discuss it"


Yep. I'd actually be more inclined to make sure I had the officer's badge (name or number) commited to memory, then get a little more confrontational than that.

Perhaps something along the lines of, "Do you believe you're lawfully able to demand that? I'll surrender my ID if you say yes, but please be aware I will be filing a complaint with your Chief, the local papers, and my lawyer. I generally support the police, but I don't live in a police state."
2012-05-05 10:11:10 AM  
2 votes:

AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.


welcome to the New America.
2012-05-05 01:55:50 AM  
2 votes:
You've got to admire when someone answers in straight forward fashion
2012-05-06 09:10:36 AM  
1 votes:

Julie Cochrane: thamike: Julie Cochrane: thamike: Wait, so you're saying....

What are you saying?

I'm saying, "Notice how intimidating it is to deal with people who could beat the crap out of you--whether they're going to or not--especially when you know the bunch includes some serious douches."

"Think about how angry it would make you feel if someone minimized your risk of running into the douchey kind when you are more likely to know what your risk is depending on factors like where you live, etc."

"Be wary of painting more of 'those guys' as douches than actually are."

Mostly I'm just saying, welcome to the club, how does it feel to be in our shoes?

Who is the "we" in "our shoes?"

For most women, most guys could beat the shiat out of us.

This is just as a matter of upper body strength.

When you start comparing that with specific individuals, that "most" breaks down fast.

So anyway, even though the vast majority of them won't--I don't walk out my door every day and get beat up by random guys just because they're male and I'm female--I'm always aware of the potential force disparity.

Just like whenever you interact with a cop, you're always aware of the potential force disparity. He may not kick the shiat out of you just because he's a cop and you're a civilian and the two of you have encountered each other---but he could.


I'm still having trouble following your point. Are you suggesting women, men, and police officers are three mutually exclusive groups while simultaneously claiming two of them are one and the same and are the only ones capable of intimidation and brutality?
2012-05-05 11:05:22 PM  
1 votes:
Someone should shoot that cop. Just my opinion.
2012-05-05 05:27:44 PM  
1 votes:
I used to trust the police. I used to think comments in these threads were paranoid or made by people who must not be as respectful of the law as they should. I was very naive. About a year and a half ago my friend was killed by a underage drunk driver. A repeat offender. He was 17 at the the time with two precious arrests. He was nearly 3x the legal limit when he was arrested. 6 months ago I found out that my friends parents had been investigating who gave him the alcohol and we found out: several off duty school police officers gave him the alcohol at a party and they, along with their superior officer covered it up. The Feds are now investigating it. Needless to say I now realize their true abilities. I am cautious around police now. But now I realize that these paranoid people are on to something. I don't know how many police officers I've seen blatantly disobeying traffic rules. Unfortunantly now I can imagine what else they are up to. I feel bad for the good ones but I can't help but feel some anger towards them now.
2012-05-05 04:47:51 PM  
1 votes:
People who have no problem with the giving of papers to cops for no reason are the same people we have to thank for the glorious bastion of security that is the TSA.
2012-05-05 03:20:15 PM  
1 votes:
Fark that asshole cop and his oversized ego right uo the ass with a rusty pitchfork. That is not what his job is supposed to be about.

And, fark anyone defending him on here. You want to live like a farking slave, move to another country.
2012-05-05 02:46:25 PM  
1 votes:

henryhill: BendreGiant: As a teacher of young children, one of the things that bothers me the most is that I am required to teach small children that the police are here to help them. It is actually in the state mandated standards. It makes me sick to my stomach.

Sure, act like a ghetto parent and teach kids that cops are the enemy.That helps the situation.


The only thing that would help the situation is to have police that actually DO what we are required to teach the kids that they do. I just don't want to tell children that the police are looking out for them when it is so often untrue. I would much rather teach them the truth, which is also NOT that the police are the enemy. The truth is that the police are a group of normal people who happen to have considerably more power and authority than everyone else. Hopefully they will use that power to protect us, but don't trust that they will. They are, after all, just people like the rest of us. See the difference?
2012-05-05 02:28:22 PM  
1 votes:
As a teacher of young children, one of the things that bothers me the most is that I am required to teach small children that the police are here to help them. It is actually in the state mandated standards. It makes me sick to my stomach.
2012-05-05 02:16:02 PM  
1 votes:

Julie Cochrane: Unfortunately, iirc there's court precedent saying you do have to identify yourself if police ask you to.

.


Wrong Wrong Wrong. The only thing worse than outright authoritarians are those who support them through ignorance.
2012-05-05 01:34:51 PM  
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: Fark is a far-left, pro-government website.


i.imgur.com
2012-05-05 01:27:59 PM  
1 votes:
I had this happen to me once in downtown St Louis. The cop was nice, and let me go on my way without any problems when I showed him my ID, but the whole thing just bothered me. This prompted me to have a few business cards made up, proclaiming me to be a civil rights attorney with a huge, well-known firm in the area. I'm not even close to being an attorney, but I've watched enough TV to be able to talk like one for 30 seconds or so. If I ever get asked for my ID while walking again, it will be "Excuse me while I whip this out," as I pull out the business card...
2012-05-05 01:16:05 PM  
1 votes:
The only similar thing that happened to me was when I was riding the train to work, and the transit cops did a random fare check. The cop asked to see my ticket, and it took me awhile to recall where I'd put it. As I was searching for it, he said, "may I see your ID, please?" I said "no sir, you may not, but thank you for putting that in the form of a polite request." I found the ticket and showed it to him, and he left. No further mention of the ID. I'm not sure if he could have raised a stink about it. Of course, if he'd ordered me to produce ID, I would have complied. To be honest, I'm not sure if there's a legal distinction between an order and a request in that situation. Any LEO or law-talking guys here care to tell?
2012-05-05 01:13:48 PM  
1 votes:

Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals: "We need more governmental rule!"
Fark ultraliberals: "We hate people watching after us!"

It's comical.


Fark conservatives: We need more governmental rule (see Patriot Act)
Fark Tea Partiers: We hate people watching us unless are are in bed with someone or might be the wrong religion.

Libertarians like me: Go fark yourself
2012-05-05 01:08:27 PM  
1 votes:

radarlove: So- if I've done absolutely nothing wrong and have zero criminal history, and am stopped by a cop and asked for my name or ID, and if I keep my big stupid mouth shut for the duration of my interaction with him or any other police in accordance with my Fifth Amendment rights, what happens?


You are arrested for obstruction of justice.

your silence will also be used as evidence that you are emotionally disturbed and they will lock you in solitary for 5 days to drink your own urine.

It's standard NYPD interrogation techniques.
2012-05-05 01:07:07 PM  
1 votes:
I guess Rumpelstiltskin was having a bad day.
2012-05-05 01:02:20 PM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: isupportcopkillers: He asks for my name and address and as usual it comes back clean (as it should since i have CCWs) and i walk away and flip him off. Stupid pig i should have invoiced the scumbag department for wasting my time

Well, maybe you don't believe in standing up for yourself, but if a cop ever asked for my ID, I wait until he turned around, crack his head with a brick, shove him in his stupid pig car, dump gas all over it, and light it on fire. It's people like you that let these jack-booted thugs get away with all that abuse.


Internet tough guy huh?
2012-05-05 01:00:57 PM  
1 votes:

Terrydatroll: You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


Which is to say: "If you have nothing to hide, why are you refusing to cooperate? You are guilty or stupid."

Certainly officer, I will be video taping this interaction and would like a copy of all complaints filed against you. If you have nothing to hide, then you have nothing to fear.
2012-05-05 12:53:52 PM  
1 votes:
In VA, all you are required to provide the officer is your name; you only need show a driver's license if you are operating a motor vehicle.

/but following the law and asserting your rights will get you hassled by the cops
2012-05-05 12:51:30 PM  
1 votes:
To me part of "freedom" is the ability to walk across town, thru any neighborhood, without getting shot at or being stopped by some authority asking wtf I am doing....
2012-05-05 12:39:04 PM  
1 votes:

Erebus1954: "I have nothing to say. Am I free to go or am I being detained"

Repeat as necessary.


For all you cop bashers, THIS is the appropriate response which should shut them down if they have no real probable cause. Most people will treat you the same as you treat them and if an officer is being a jerk, that is a fight you won't win.

CSB time - picked up a load (18 wheeler) in Oklahoma and couldn't slide the tandem axle to balance the load properly at the pickup location. Meant to do it when I got to the highway and forgot. Rolled up on a weigh scale later and as I did, realized what I'd forgotten. The red light comes on and the scale master tells me to pull over and come inside. As I walk in the door, I ask him how he's doing and how much am I over with a grin while shaking my head. He kind looks at me funny, tells me I'm 6000 lbs over on the rear axle and I explain what I'd done. He tells me to go slide the tandems and re-weigh. I do and I'm still over by about 250 lbs but he says not to worry.

Then he says "Sorry, but I have to give you the ticket anyway. That will be $625.00 - payable now before you leave." Ouch... call the boss to get the money wired in (on scale master's phone) and we have a nice chat while waiting. My screw up so I can't really complain. Money arrives and off I go to finish the run.

CSB part is this: I called the Neosho County States Attorney's office where it had occurred and explained the situation. The lady I talked to says write a letter with the explanation and she'll pass it on. A few weeks go by and I get a check in the mail for $575.00 and a nice letter explaining that after checking my story with the scale master and hearing how I acted they reduced the fine to $50.00. Also a thank you form the SA and scale master for my polite, reasonable behavior.

I took the check to my boss and his jaw nearly hits the floor - never heard of a county doing that for a driver. I just looked at him and said "You treat people right, most will treat you the same way."
2012-05-05 12:35:16 PM  
1 votes:
Seems a lot of people (including subby) didn't actually read the article:

Headline: Deputy asks for man's name, man replies, 'That's for you to figure out'


Article: When the deputy stopped the man and asked for his identification, the man replied, "(Expletive) you, that's for you to figure out."

None of that indicates he asked to be shown I.D. (identity documents). Wasn't even a Terry stop. He asked the man who he was, and the man declined.

Thus:

Slartibartfaster: Terrydatroll: you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification

No you do not
You must give a name, then stfu


^This. The cop was within his scope; the man refused to comply.

Oh well.
2012-05-05 12:33:46 PM  
1 votes:

Julie Cochrane: thamike: Wait, so you're saying....

What are you saying?

I'm saying, "Notice how intimidating it is to deal with people who could beat the crap out of you--whether they're going to or not--especially when you know the bunch includes some serious douches."

"Think about how angry it would make you feel if someone minimized your risk of running into the douchey kind when you are more likely to know what your risk is depending on factors like where you live, etc."

"Be wary of painting more of 'those guys' as douches than actually are."

Mostly I'm just saying, welcome to the club, how does it feel to be in our shoes?


Who is the "we" in "our shoes?"
2012-05-05 12:30:38 PM  
1 votes:
I have stated that we have given up our rights and freedoms since 9/11. I was also correctly informed by a fellow farker that these rights have been taken from us, not given up. It still seems that there are many people out there who are completely okay with the loss of this freedom. My friends and family fought and died for freedom. I am a believer in this freedom. Freedom of press, religion, etc, etc.

On that note, feel free to take the past of least resistance when it comes to the government forcing individuals to obey. No problem, freedom allows you that choice also. Just don't biatch when you wake up one day and realize that more of your liberties are gone than you intended. Doubt you'll ever get them back. Enjoy the new police state citizen, you will be safe here....
2012-05-05 12:18:59 PM  
1 votes:
He was in Florida.
Which means he was within 100 miles of a US land or sea border.
Which means he was in a constitution-free zone.
Which means the cop could not only compel him to produce ID, but could interrogate, search and detain him 100% legally without a warrant or probable cause.

This is not a hypothetical erosion of our liberty.
This is our America.
2012-05-05 12:17:27 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-05-05 12:14:26 PM  
1 votes:

offmymeds: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: He shoulda punched that cop in the face. All cops are pussies.


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2012-05-05 12:06:29 PM  
1 votes:

Julie Cochrane: Okay. So hopefully most of you will agree that the vast majority of police officers are professionals who just want to do their jobs, and they're given a bad name by the abusive dickwads who hide in their ranks. BUT that the problem with the rest of the police officers is that too many of them are too apt to look the other way and let the abusive dickwads get by with bad behavior.

And then you treat all cops warily when you encounter them. You're very careful around them because you know if really wanted to they could totally beat the shiat out of you.

Most of you guys have an absolute shiat fit when women who have been hurt by men, or who are close to another woman who's been badly hurt by men (like grew up seeing her mom get beat up or something) react the same way to men.

You know...the same way you react to cops. Who could beat the living shiat out of you---even though most of them won't.


Wait, so you're saying....

What are you saying?
2012-05-05 12:03:30 PM  
1 votes:
Good for him! More of us need to stand up to this kind of crap.

I'm so sick of cops harassing me. They're always like, "Where's your pants, sir? What are you doing with that butter? Is that your cat, sir?"

Land of the free, indeed.
2012-05-05 12:03:05 PM  
1 votes:

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


3/10

Bit of a mixed bag there.
2012-05-05 12:00:56 PM  
1 votes:
Someday these "random" no-cause stops will be ruled unconstitutional.

The next day, the police will begin to set up permanent checkpoints and stop/check everyone.

/Worked for terrorists and the TSA
2012-05-05 11:59:57 AM  
1 votes:
Ohh, the guy said "f*ck you" to the police, nobody has ever done that before.

What subby calls "awesome" I call lame and unimaginative.
2012-05-05 11:46:57 AM  
1 votes:

Erebus1954: Don't talk to police at all. Ever.


One of the best videos I've EVER seen. It should be required watching for every American. Not only is the information on point, he's incredibly entertaining to watch, and has a fantastic delivery.
2012-05-05 11:46:49 AM  
1 votes:
This random stop and ID bit is getting out of control. Every police department in the country has a charge code on the books that lets them pretty much arrest ANYONE.

Here in my city it's a charge called Failure to Move. When I worked for the state Attorney General one of the great sources of consternation was that the city would submit the ten-print cards on thatcharge, which was non-standard with the rest of the charging codes throughout the state.

So they'd simply get discarded and never entered into the system.

That said, I've NEVER been stopped and ID'd by a cop when on foot. I'd rip him and his department a new asshole if it ever happens.
2012-05-05 11:45:20 AM  
1 votes:

gingerjet: Darth_Lukecash: Hasn't the suprrme court already ruled that cops can ask your identity?

They can ask for your name. But not an ID.


Yeah, that's what I thought the rule was. You don't have to carry ID, but if they ask, you have to tell them who you are.
2012-05-05 11:44:46 AM  
1 votes:

hubiestubert: I got stopped once while I was in Colorado when I was driving my co-workers to the bank. He said he was concerned that I was being held against my will.

The thriving Filipinos gangs apparently make Colorado cops nervous out in the mountains...


That sounds like Grand Junction. Was it Grand Junction?
2012-05-05 11:44:25 AM  
1 votes:
If all I have to do to help keep our streets clean is give my id to cops when asked then I'm cool with that all day.
pla
2012-05-05 11:41:09 AM  
1 votes:
Mavent : Really? Getting questioned by the police is such a concern in your life that you purposely moved to a State where you could refuse to give them your name?

No. Having the right to safely exercise my constitutionally-enumerated rights, without "resistance" counting as a primary offense by some bizarre perversion of logic, matters to me.

Like it or not, you don't have any rights that you don't feel completely free to exercise. If you would think twice before criticizing the TSA in an airport, congrats, you have no real right to free speech. If you would fear for your life (from "accidental suicide by cop") open-carrying a hunting rifle down Main Street, you have no right to bear arms. If you feel compelled to describe yourself as "agnostic" rather than an atheist because "we don't like your kind 'round here", you have no freedom of (or from - same thing) religion.

But please, please, if you don't care about the complete disenfranchisement of the rest of your rights - PLEASE stop voting as well so the rest of us can get the current clowns out of office. Every time one of you "yes sir, here you go sir, anything else I can do to help crack down on brown people sir?" sheep casts a ballot, we all lose.
2012-05-05 11:40:11 AM  
1 votes:
Mavent: KrispyKritter: people call them pigs & cocksuckers for a reason.

Yes, and that reason is that those particular types of people are juvenile asswipes who have never held a job.


so if someone has held a multitude of jobs are they qualified to castigate the police?
2012-05-05 11:39:36 AM  
1 votes:

Mavent: regardless of if the dingleberries in the thread want to acknowledge it. In my case, it was 10 o'clock at night on a Friday, and there had been a string of vandalisms.


I'll bet they transposed the last two numbers on your plate too when they ran it "for probable cause". Been given this story three times over the years.

You are half deluded... there may have been a reason in your case, but PDs also have "performance standards" where they are required to make a certain number of "contacts" with the public as well........

/not a dingleberry and dont have a record. I intend to keep it that way
2012-05-05 11:35:41 AM  
1 votes:
give an idiot a BatMan utility belt with handgun, mace, baton, tazer & several physical restraints and yes they are going to want to use it. people call them pigs & cocksuckers for a reason.

Yeah, I agree. Cops around here are too heavily armed and I take exception to that, considering that I've got a kid at home. Don't be brutal, be fair and do what you need to. Excessive violence is not what I'm accustomed to at all.
2012-05-05 11:35:34 AM  
1 votes:
"The state has a monopoly on physical violence - I just recognize it and act as if they can beat my ass to a pulp if they wanted to.

Because they can."

This.....I like having all my parts in working order and my career intact. I treat any cop like a rabid pit bull and have taught my son the same way.

You dont poke a rabid pit bull with a stick. Especially one who can shoot you in the head on the side of the road and write a report covering it up with support from the state.

I know that sounds a little extreme, but you don't know who you're dealing with either, just like the cop tells the public when they make a traffic stop.

Sad it has to be this way, and it used to not be, but it is what it is.

/never talk to the police, I cannot stress this enough. And no, its not the publics' fault that it is this way
2012-05-05 11:32:55 AM  
1 votes:

Bob16: Boot lickers always have an excuse for their chicken shiat behavior.


Umm, read the login name, then scope out the general attitude of the thread, then read what he wrote specifically to get a response, then kick yourself in balls several times (You may need to take some advanced yoga and gymnastics classes for this to happen) for being a total prat.

/seriously I am pretty sure farkers have gotten exponentially more stupid since '05.
2012-05-05 11:31:33 AM  
1 votes:

KrispyKritter: people call them pigs & cocksuckers for a reason.


Yes, and that reason is that those particular types of people are juvenile asswipes who have never held a job.
2012-05-05 11:31:24 AM  
1 votes:
Every man, woman and child in this country is a few keystrokes away from spending the rest of their life naked in a fishtank hooked up to a car battery.
2012-05-05 11:30:01 AM  
1 votes:

LouDobbsAwaaaay: Record all interactions with the police.


Except in Maryland.

/local city cops are great
//Montgomery County cops are lazy evil f*cks
///MD state cops can be evil f*cks
2012-05-05 11:29:23 AM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: Actually the correct response would be " I appreciate your efforts to keep the neighborhood safe, but you don't have the right to ask me that. If you'd like, I'll wait here while you call your supervisor and we can discuss it"


I think we've got ourselves a white male here.
2012-05-05 11:28:17 AM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: You've got to admire when someone answers in straight forward fashion


Unless you're the cop trying to do your job, and you come across some stupid mouthy asshole with an attitude. It's not fun, and it's not cute. It's disrespectful (and obstruction) and will likely get you in the back of the cruiser and in jail. You can act anyway you want, that's true. Just expect a response.

I. Love. My. New. Job.
2012-05-05 11:26:41 AM  
1 votes:

Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: He shoulda punched that cop in the face. All cops are pussies.


i1136.photobucket.com
2012-05-05 11:25:35 AM  
1 votes:

ph0rk: gingerjet: ph0rk: The state has a monopoly on physical violence - I just recognize it and act as if they can beat my ass to a pulp if they wanted to.

Then sue their ass and retire. Its the American way.

Incorrect: Don't be detained/beaten in the first place, if you can avoid it.

I can.


Gee - one wonders how legislation like the Patriot Act gets renewed with so little opposition....

/when did Americans becomes such cowards?
2012-05-05 11:22:07 AM  
1 votes:

ph0rk: The state has a monopoly on physical violence - I just recognize it and act as if they can beat my ass to a pulp if they wanted to.


Then sue their ass and retire. Its the American way.
2012-05-05 11:17:44 AM  
1 votes:
astouffer "You'd get exactly the same response as the original guy. Cops are trained to always take control of any situation so short of actually killing him, you're always gonna be wrong."

Your absolutely right. I spent 45 min handcuffed in the back of a squad car for working on a vacant house for the bank. I presented a work order as soon as they arrived (after they took their guns off of me and picked me up off the ground). They spent another 30 min yelling at me how I should have called 911 to tell them ahead of time. When I told them that my company alone would be calling them over 1000 times per day he just shook his head and basically told me I was too stupid to understand and just do what he said.
2012-05-05 11:17:30 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: "Um...walking dogs?"
It seemed like that answer pleased confused the hell out of him, as I didn't admit to selling crack or breaking into homes, and he looked me over and drove off.


FTFY
2012-05-05 11:16:10 AM  
1 votes:
Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: He shoulda punched that cop in the face. All cops are pussies.

0/10
2012-05-05 11:16:10 AM  
1 votes:

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


Boot lickers always have an excuse for their chicken shiat behavior.
2012-05-05 11:14:20 AM  
1 votes:
Was it this guy?

encrypted-tbn1.google.com


Aisle seat, near the loo, please.
2012-05-05 11:12:30 AM  
1 votes:

ZeroCorpse: I just avoid those guys completely. Cops, I mean. I smile and nod at them, and get to the other side of the street as soon as possible. Sure, there are good ones out there, but the bad ones will ruin your life and at this point in American history, the cops are just another gang that will harass you on the streets. The problem is that they're a legally-sanctioned gang. I know better than to tempt fate.


Isn't crossing the street to avoid a cop probable cause?
2012-05-05 11:12:27 AM  
1 votes:
he was arrested for resisting arrest.
2012-05-05 11:10:57 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: As I understood it, you are neither required to carry ID or show it just because a cop asks. (As long as you're not driving or doing something that specificly states that you need an ID/license to do it) Has something changed?


In the US, depends on the state. For Florida:

856.021Loitering or prowling; penalty.-
(1)It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity.
(2)Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern.
(3)Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.


So the mere act of refusing to identify yourself (which I don't believe is the same as refusing to show ID, identification could be verbal) is reason for detaining. However the cop is supposed to give the person a chance to explain even after they're detained.

In many other states the police have to have reasonable suspicion that you're doing something illegal before they can stop and request identification.
2012-05-05 11:06:21 AM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: If you get injured, unconcious, unresponsive or just plain dead, then people know who you are.

Or more cheerfully, in case to want booze, cigs, or porn.


I have a wrist band that has my name, the contact information for my bf, and my health insurance information.

/and I live in an area were the DA isn't running for mayor so the liquor stores and bars rarely ask for your ID if you are clearly over 25
2012-05-05 11:05:50 AM  
1 votes:

cryinoutloud: I don't carry ID when I'm out for a walk. Only if I'm driving. If some cop around here stopped me and asked me for ID, I'd probably laugh at him. And they'd probably drive away, because duh, it's a person out for a walk with her dog.

Damn, I'm glad I don't live in "civilization."


Bongo bongo bongo you don't want to leave the congo, oh, no no no no no?
2012-05-05 10:59:37 AM  
1 votes:
All you guys that just freely give out your ID when not driving are a bunch of idiots

Last time i got stopped walking by a terrorist it went like this

Piggy: Where you going and you have any ID
me: None of your business and no i dont
Piggy: You don't have any ID ? How did you get here?
me: If its any of your business I drove here and i left my ID with my car
Piggy: Where did you park?
me: Some side street to avoid the parking meters, cant recall the name right now
Piggy: Whats the make and model and colour of the car?
me: Im sorry this isn't a traffic stop and im not answering that are we done here?

He asks for my name and address and as usual it comes back clean (as it should since i have CCWs) and i walk away and flip him off. Stupid pig i should have invoiced the scumbag department for wasting my time.
2012-05-05 10:59:11 AM  
1 votes:
I'll show you mine if you show me yours
2012-05-05 10:55:06 AM  
1 votes:
(Pre 9/11) I would often be stopped when I was out for a walk in my own neighbourhood by the county sheriff. He'd ask for my ID, and I'd decline, saying I was out for a walk around the lake and enjoying the night air. I wasn't a dick, but I never showed my ID, and they never pressed the matter.

The point being - fark the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Department.
2012-05-05 10:53:48 AM  
1 votes:
Paging CruiserTwelve. CruiserTwelve, report to Thread #7088775, to explain to us why this dangerous civilian needed to be dealt with.

Though, to be fair, the civilian actually survived the encounter. *tosses a donut to the cop* Good Boy!
2012-05-05 10:52:03 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: AbbeySomeone: Mugato:
No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.


Not white enough, my friend.
2012-05-05 10:49:46 AM  
1 votes:
2012-05-05 10:49:34 AM  
1 votes:
I'd give the cop the finger and walk away.
I mean, what could he do about it?
/some words may be NSFW.
2012-05-05 10:49:24 AM  
1 votes:

MythDragon: Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.

/you know I how I know you live in 1970's East Germany?



You know how I know you just got trolled?
2012-05-05 10:46:14 AM  
1 votes:
And NDAA is right on schedule. We're all suspects now
2012-05-05 10:45:48 AM  
1 votes:

Darth_Lukecash: Hasn't the suprrme court already ruled that cops can ask your identity?


They can ask for your name. But not an ID.
2012-05-05 10:45:19 AM  
1 votes:
what he's being charged? what exactly was he resisting?? the officer basically said 'fark you' and he said 'fark you right back'. no crime here.
2012-05-05 10:45:13 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.


I don't carry an ID when I'm cycling or running. Why would you?
2012-05-05 10:44:01 AM  
1 votes:
Darth_Lukecash: Hasn't the suprrme court already ruled that cops can ask your identity?

Well, sure, they can ask, so long as they're unthreatening or off-duty. That's First Amendment.
2012-05-05 10:43:57 AM  
1 votes:
In the land of the free....

"Stop and identify" statutes are laws in the United States that allow police to detain persons and request such persons to identify themselves, and arrest them if they do not.

The authority to detain on reasonable suspicion was established in Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), and does not depend on the existence of a law that specifically authorizes such a detention, so that authority exists in all jurisdictions in the United States. The name disclosure was considered by the U.S. Supreme Court in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), which held that the name disclosure did not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. The Hiibel Court also held that, because Hiibel had no reasonable belief that his name would be used to incriminate him, the name disclosure did not violate the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination; however, the Court left open the possibility that Fifth Amendment right might apply in situations where there was a reasonable belief that giving a name could be incriminating. The Court accepted the Nevada supreme court's interpretation of the Nevada statute that a detained person could satisfy the Nevada law by simply stating his name. The Court did not rule on whether particular identification cards could be required, though it did mention one state's law requiring "credible and reliable" identification had been struck down for vagueness.
2012-05-05 10:42:22 AM  
1 votes:

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


Supreme Court already ruled the police do not have the right to require you to provide ID if you are NOT committing a crime. Trumping up a charge as this officer did just to force the issue will turn into a multi-million dollar headache soon.
2012-05-05 10:41:44 AM  
1 votes:
Record all interactions with the police.
2012-05-05 10:37:37 AM  
1 votes:

unyon: hubiestubert: I got stopped once while I was in Colorado when I was driving my co-workers to the bank. He said he was concerned that I was being held against my will.

The thriving Filipinos gangs apparently make Colorado cops nervous out in the mountains...

You're Filipino? You don't look it.

/Filipinos- just like regular people, except smaller


No, and that apparently was the problem. I'm Japanese-Irish-German, Cop saw a bunch of tiny brown people and a pale face driving an Old Skool New Yorker, and apparently just had to follow...

My co-workers were all H1B workers, and they busted a lot of ass, drank like there was no tomorrow, and were fun as Hells to be around. Don't miss the job that took me out there, but damn I miss the people.
2012-05-05 10:35:54 AM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: Actually the correct response would be " I appreciate your efforts to keep the neighborhood safe, but you don't have the right to ask me that. If you'd like, I'll wait here while you call your supervisor and we can discuss it"


You'd get exactly the same response as the original guy. Cops are trained to always take control of any situation so short of actually killing him, you're always gonna be wrong.
2012-05-05 10:35:09 AM  
1 votes:
I can't find a link, but in House Party when the cops ask the dad what he's doing and he tells them he's going about his farking business.
2012-05-05 10:34:24 AM  
1 votes:

AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.


Well, from the article he was walking in the middle of the street, so there was at least jaywalking, although jaywalking really only warrants police interest if it is actually dangerous or impeding/disrupting traffic.
2012-05-05 07:35:04 AM  
1 votes:
You want to see my ID? Are you selling beer?
 
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