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(NW Florida Daily News)   Most awesome response ever after a cop asks for a man's ID just because he was walking through a neighborhood known as a high-crime area: "(Expletive) you, that's for you to figure out"   (nwfdailynews.com) divider line 323
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2012-05-05 11:44:52 AM  

pla: Mavent : Really? Getting questioned by the police is such a concern in your life that you purposely moved to a State where you could refuse to give them your name?

No. Having the right to safely exercise my constitutionally-enumerated rights, without "resistance" counting as a primary offense by some bizarre perversion of logic, matters to me.

Like it or not, you don't have any rights that you don't feel completely free to exercise. If you would think twice before criticizing the TSA in an airport, congrats, you have no real right to free speech. If you would fear for your life (from "accidental suicide by cop") open-carrying a hunting rifle down Main Street, you have no right to bear arms. If you feel compelled to describe yourself as "agnostic" rather than an atheist because "we don't like your kind 'round here", you have no freedom of (or from - same thing) religion.

But please, please, if you don't care about the complete disenfranchisement of the rest of your rights - PLEASE stop voting as well so the rest of us can get the current clowns out of office. Every time one of you "yes sir, here you go sir, anything else I can do to help crack down on brown people sir?" sheep casts a ballot, we all lose.


I'm guessing that you probably raise hell if the WalMart greeter asks to see your receipt, too.
 
2012-05-05 11:45:20 AM  

gingerjet: Darth_Lukecash: Hasn't the suprrme court already ruled that cops can ask your identity?

They can ask for your name. But not an ID.


Yeah, that's what I thought the rule was. You don't have to carry ID, but if they ask, you have to tell them who you are.
 
2012-05-05 11:45:46 AM  
Pudding-tang, ask me again I'll tell you the same.

This bullshiat is known as Stop and Frisk and it's illegal according to SCOTUS. Any evidence obtained under this pretense is inadmissible and the cops know it...unless they are just douchebags harassing the public.

If your local cops practice this shiat you are an idiot for putting up with it.
 
2012-05-05 11:46:17 AM  

unyon: hubiestubert: I got stopped once while I was in Colorado when I was driving my co-workers to the bank. He said he was concerned that I was being held against my will.

The thriving Filipinos gangs apparently make Colorado cops nervous out in the mountains...

You're Filipino? You don't look it.

/Filipinos- just like regular people, except smaller


...Luuuuuuuumpiaaaa...
 
2012-05-05 11:46:49 AM  
This random stop and ID bit is getting out of control. Every police department in the country has a charge code on the books that lets them pretty much arrest ANYONE.

Here in my city it's a charge called Failure to Move. When I worked for the state Attorney General one of the great sources of consternation was that the city would submit the ten-print cards on thatcharge, which was non-standard with the rest of the charging codes throughout the state.

So they'd simply get discarded and never entered into the system.

That said, I've NEVER been stopped and ID'd by a cop when on foot. I'd rip him and his department a new asshole if it ever happens.
 
2012-05-05 11:46:57 AM  

Erebus1954: Don't talk to police at all. Ever.


One of the best videos I've EVER seen. It should be required watching for every American. Not only is the information on point, he's incredibly entertaining to watch, and has a fantastic delivery.
 
2012-05-05 11:47:22 AM  

Civil_War2_Time: Mavent: Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals: "We need more governmental rule!"
Fark ultraliberals: "We hate people watching after us!"

It's comical.

And yet, you're the only person I've seen make either of those statements. I guess it's easier arguing against your own Strawmen than it is to actually take part in a discussion.

What's wrong with any part of my comment? Fark is a far-left, pro-government website. But when cops are involved, most liberal Farkers adopt the tea-bagger mantra of "Don't Tread on Me!"

Again, it's comical.


WTF are you saying?
 
2012-05-05 11:49:01 AM  

Julie Cochrane: gingerjet: Darth_Lukecash: Hasn't the suprrme court already ruled that cops can ask your identity?

They can ask for your name. But not an ID.

Yeah, that's what I thought the rule was. You don't have to carry ID, but if they ask, you have to tell them who you are.


The last time I got pulled over (I deserved it, 46 in a 30), I didnt have my ID, gave them my drivers license #. They did write me for not having ID, but told me how to get it dropped, which I was able to.

Re: my last post about pit bulls, I didnt poke this one with a stick. It probably helped that I'm white, in a truck, on my way to work in business attire, and was polite.
 
2012-05-05 11:49:34 AM  

SoxSweepAgain: " Let me see your papers, citizen. What is your purpose for walking this sidewalk, comrade?"


Support our troops! Occupy a job! Christian nation derrrrp.
 
2012-05-05 11:49:39 AM  

jabelar: AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.

Well, from the article he was walking in the middle of the street, so there was at least jaywalking, although jaywalking really only warrants police interest if it is actually dangerous or impeding/disrupting traffic.


You've never been to LA, have you?
 
2012-05-05 11:52:25 AM  

Fee Tines a Mady: jabelar: AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.

Well, from the article he was walking in the middle of the street, so there was at least jaywalking, although jaywalking really only warrants police interest if it is actually dangerous or impeding/disrupting traffic.

You've never been to LA, have you?


You can fart in the wind these days and probable cause exists............it's that easy to make up.


/especially mine
 
2012-05-05 11:52:36 AM  

Death_Poot: Go try filming the police; when you get out of the hospital and/or jail, tell us all how that worked out.


Is it fun having a vagina?
 
2012-05-05 11:53:18 AM  
Meh, I have jury duty next week. I hope it involves some cop lying so I can throw the verdict. But with my luck it will probably be about some ambulance chasing crap and I'll have to side with the insurance company against a douchebag and his lawyer trying to kaching the system.
 
pla
2012-05-05 11:54:28 AM  
KimNorth : I counted 24?

Oops, mea culpa - Correct as regards my Boobies in this thread (where I said 23). Thanks for the catch!

Don't, however, mistake a state allowing the cop to ask for it, even allowing him to consider it in his decision whether or not to arrest you for something else, with making the same thing an offense in itself.

This came up in Hiibel solely to determine whether the cop had a right to detain (not arrest) someone, in accordance with a state law potentially in violation of our US constitutional rights. The USSC decided (wrongly, IMO, but that doesn't much matter here) that states could pass such laws. A pretext to detain you does not automatically equate to a crime, however.
 
2012-05-05 11:55:26 AM  
rblog.rolanddga.com

"Fark you, that's my name."
 
pla
2012-05-05 11:57:29 AM  
offmymeds : I'm guessing that you probably raise hell if the WalMart greeter asks to see your receipt, too.

Nope - I completely ignore them and just keep walking.

I look forward to the day one of them decides to tackle me, though. Ca-ching!


/ Offer not valid in "club" stores with terms of membership allowing them to check my receipt - Though I don't shop at such places.
 
2012-05-05 11:59:57 AM  
Ohh, the guy said "f*ck you" to the police, nobody has ever done that before.

What subby calls "awesome" I call lame and unimaginative.
 
pla
2012-05-05 12:00:19 PM  
pla : Oops, mea culpa - Correct as regards my Boobies

Heh... Stupid filters... You'd think they would disable that one once we get 160+ posts into a thread. :)
 
2012-05-05 12:00:56 PM  
Someday these "random" no-cause stops will be ruled unconstitutional.

The next day, the police will begin to set up permanent checkpoints and stop/check everyone.

/Worked for terrorists and the TSA
 
2012-05-05 12:01:18 PM  

gingerjet: Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.

I don't carry an ID when I'm cycling or running. Why would you?


It makes it much easier to identify the body.

Seriously, I always carry ID on me when I'm on my bike. I have contact info for my wife taped to the back so they can call her and tell her where to claim my body.

/not kidding.
 
2012-05-05 12:01:21 PM  

Ennuipoet: Mugato: And I'm white.

The rules say stop one white guy for every one hundred and ninety nine brown people, just to say "No way, we stop white people too!". The rules also specify the White Guy should doing something utterly innocuous so there is no chance of being forced to arrest him.


Ohhhhh...
 
2012-05-05 12:03:05 PM  

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


3/10

Bit of a mixed bag there.
 
2012-05-05 12:03:08 PM  

Chameleon: hubiestubert: I got stopped once while I was in Colorado when I was driving my co-workers to the bank. He said he was concerned that I was being held against my will.

The thriving Filipinos gangs apparently make Colorado cops nervous out in the mountains...

That sounds like Grand Junction. Was it Grand Junction?


Between Mancos and Cortez. Worked up on Mesa Verde. Great park, and a lot of fun, but the living conditions were...marginal. As in tool sheds with a little insulation, but then again, you were living at 4000' and in some gorgeous country, and thrown in with a lot of pretty young things out to have a grand summer, so it had its trade offs.
 
2012-05-05 12:03:10 PM  

pla: offmymeds : I'm guessing that you probably raise hell if the WalMart greeter asks to see your receipt, too.

Nope - I completely ignore them and just keep walking.

I look forward to the day one of them decides to tackle me, though. Ca-ching!


/ Offer not valid in "club" stores with terms of membership allowing them to check my receipt - Though I don't shop at such places.


They won't tackle you, they will call the police to make contact and hand you a Walmart Banned form.
That is how they roll.
 
2012-05-05 12:03:30 PM  
Good for him! More of us need to stand up to this kind of crap.

I'm so sick of cops harassing me. They're always like, "Where's your pants, sir? What are you doing with that butter? Is that your cat, sir?"

Land of the free, indeed.
 
2012-05-05 12:04:04 PM  
Okay. So hopefully most of you will agree that the vast majority of police officers are professionals who just want to do their jobs, and they're given a bad name by the abusive dickwads who hide in their ranks. BUT that the problem with the rest of the police officers is that too many of them are too apt to look the other way and let the abusive dickwads get by with bad behavior.

And then you treat all cops warily when you encounter them. You're very careful around them because you know if really wanted to they could totally beat the shiat out of you.

Most of you guys have an absolute shiat fit when women who have been hurt by men, or who are close to another woman who's been badly hurt by men (like grew up seeing her mom get beat up or something) react the same way to men.

You know...the same way you react to cops. Who could beat the living shiat out of you---even though most of them won't.
 
2012-05-05 12:04:52 PM  
Well...They figured it out.
 
2012-05-05 12:06:29 PM  

Julie Cochrane: Okay. So hopefully most of you will agree that the vast majority of police officers are professionals who just want to do their jobs, and they're given a bad name by the abusive dickwads who hide in their ranks. BUT that the problem with the rest of the police officers is that too many of them are too apt to look the other way and let the abusive dickwads get by with bad behavior.

And then you treat all cops warily when you encounter them. You're very careful around them because you know if really wanted to they could totally beat the shiat out of you.

Most of you guys have an absolute shiat fit when women who have been hurt by men, or who are close to another woman who's been badly hurt by men (like grew up seeing her mom get beat up or something) react the same way to men.

You know...the same way you react to cops. Who could beat the living shiat out of you---even though most of them won't.


Wait, so you're saying....

What are you saying?
 
2012-05-05 12:08:52 PM  
Yeah, get crackin' Columbo.
 
2012-05-05 12:10:31 PM  
I'd be plenty pissed if they arrested me for not showing ID, and maybe sue. But I don't mind them asking for it, and I usually don't mind giving it to them either.

But then, I usually stop when Walmart greeters ask to see my receipt, too.
 
2012-05-05 12:10:48 PM  
When did walking through a neighborhood become a crime.... or was he just the wrong skin color?
 
2012-05-05 12:11:28 PM  

KimNorth: Civil_War2_Time: Mavent: Civil_War2_Time: Fark liberals: "We need more governmental rule!"
Fark ultraliberals: "We hate people watching after us!"

It's comical.

And yet, you're the only person I've seen make either of those statements. I guess it's easier arguing against your own Strawmen than it is to actually take part in a discussion.

What's wrong with any part of my comment? Fark is a far-left, pro-government website. But when cops are involved, most liberal Farkers adopt the tea-bagger mantra of "Don't Tread on Me!"

Again, it's comical.

WTF are you saying?


Quit biatching about cops if you're a far-left government supporter. Can't count to potato yet, can you?
 
2012-05-05 12:14:26 PM  

offmymeds: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus: He shoulda punched that cop in the face. All cops are pussies.


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sorry
 
2012-05-05 12:15:03 PM  

Weaver95: AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.

welcome to the New America.


You don't agree with the law? That automatically makes you a criminal.
 
2012-05-05 12:16:10 PM  
I was originally under the impression when I came into this thread that the cop is the one that said "Fark you, that's for you to figure out." when the person asked why he was stopped. Police Officers are allowed to ID you if they believe 'criminality is afoot.'
 
2012-05-05 12:16:26 PM  

RandomAxe: Terrydatroll: You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.

I do realize what you're doing, but still I want to point out that everyone is a potential criminal. Even active criminals have the potential to commit more crimes. And dead people can at least be accomplices, and it's hard to prove they're unwilling.

tytempletonart.files.wordpress.com
Only the living commit crimes. Therefore life is a crime.
The crime is life. The sentence is Death.
 
2012-05-05 12:16:58 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Kurmudgeon: You've got to admire when someone answers in straight forward fashion

Unless you're the cop trying to do your job, and you come across some stupid mouthy asshole with an attitude. It's not fun, and it's not cute. It's disrespectful (and obstruction) and will likely get you in the back of the cruiser and in jail. You can act anyway you want, that's true. Just expect a response.

I. Love. My. New. Job.


I smell bacon....
 
2012-05-05 12:17:17 PM  
"Papiere bitte!!" said the Nazi...
 
2012-05-05 12:17:27 PM  
i131.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-05 12:18:49 PM  

Liquid_Bacon: Only a white man can get away with a response like that.


Trust me. You'll get your farking head kicked in if you're white, too. Reality. If you don't have a lot of money, your rights are by and large merely an interesting theory. If you aren't doing anything, like to fight, and have a bit of free time to be a guest of the county, you can tell the cop to get farked when he demands ID. Otherwise, just cough it up and hope he doesn't draw on you as you reach for your wallet...
 
2012-05-05 12:18:50 PM  

Kumana Wanalaia: I have many names. But here I am called Ardra.


lintel.typepad.com

"You are not Feklar!"
 
2012-05-05 12:18:59 PM  
He was in Florida.
Which means he was within 100 miles of a US land or sea border.
Which means he was in a constitution-free zone.
Which means the cop could not only compel him to produce ID, but could interrogate, search and detain him 100% legally without a warrant or probable cause.

This is not a hypothetical erosion of our liberty.
This is our America.
 
2012-05-05 12:19:57 PM  
Heil.
 
2012-05-05 12:20:16 PM  

thamike: Wait, so you're saying....

What are you saying?


I'm saying, "Notice how intimidating it is to deal with people who could beat the crap out of you--whether they're going to or not--especially when you know the bunch includes some serious douches."

"Think about how angry it would make you feel if someone minimized your risk of running into the douchey kind when you are more likely to know what your risk is depending on factors like where you live, etc."

"Be wary of painting more of 'those guys' as douches than actually are."

Mostly I'm just saying, welcome to the club, how does it feel to be in our shoes?
 
2012-05-05 12:20:17 PM  
So, where did I put my link to the 2004 SCOTUS decision that gave ARCO's the ability to stop random people and ask for ID?

/not that i agree with it, but i live in wa state, and we have a state law against it.
 
2012-05-05 12:21:12 PM  
I used to get upset with the "Didn't see nothin'; didn't hear nothin'" mentality.

Then I realized for many it's probably for the best when dealing with the police to be absolutely useless to them so they'll leave them alone.

I don't trust the police. I don't think they have anything but a 24 hour news viewer's comprehension of law, and I believe many lie to serve their interests. Policing agencies need to clean house and earn the public trust, because they are losing what credibility as agents of justice they have left.
 
2012-05-05 12:24:49 PM  

pla: Only seven states have refusal to ID yourself as an offense in itself. Florida ain't one of them.



According to your link:

States with "stop and identify" laws

Alabama
Arizona
Arkansas
Colorado
Delaware
Florida
Fla. Stat. §856.021(2) (loitering and prowling)

Georgia
Illinois
Indiana
Kansas
Louisiana
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
New York
North Dakota
Ohio
Rhode Island
Utah
Vermont
Wisconsin


Protip: If you are going to back up your claims, make sure your source doesn't say the exact farking oposite of what your are trying to claim.
 
2012-05-05 12:27:21 PM  

KrispyKritter: give an idiot a BatMan utility belt with handgun, mace, baton, tazer & several physical restraints and yes they are going to want to use it


Hey, when all you have is a hammer, everything starts to look like a nail.
 
2012-05-05 12:29:52 PM  

Terrydatroll: Police have the right to ID you anywhere


Incorrect sir. they only have the right to ask for ID when entering a secured building like a courthouse or airport, or if you are driving a motor vehicle.

Any other reason they need a warrant to look at your ID. Including if they believe you to be a suspect in an active investigation.

/but you're a troll aren't you.
 
2012-05-05 12:30:38 PM  
I have stated that we have given up our rights and freedoms since 9/11. I was also correctly informed by a fellow farker that these rights have been taken from us, not given up. It still seems that there are many people out there who are completely okay with the loss of this freedom. My friends and family fought and died for freedom. I am a believer in this freedom. Freedom of press, religion, etc, etc.

On that note, feel free to take the past of least resistance when it comes to the government forcing individuals to obey. No problem, freedom allows you that choice also. Just don't biatch when you wake up one day and realize that more of your liberties are gone than you intended. Doubt you'll ever get them back. Enjoy the new police state citizen, you will be safe here....
 
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