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(NW Florida Daily News)   Most awesome response ever after a cop asks for a man's ID just because he was walking through a neighborhood known as a high-crime area: "(Expletive) you, that's for you to figure out"   (nwfdailynews.com) divider line 323
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2012-05-05 10:45:48 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: Hasn't the suprrme court already ruled that cops can ask your identity?


They can ask for your name. But not an ID.
 
2012-05-05 10:46:06 AM  

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


/you know I how I know you live in 1970's East Germany?
 
2012-05-05 10:46:14 AM  
And NDAA is right on schedule. We're all suspects now
 
2012-05-05 10:47:25 AM  
Is your name Michael Diamond?

Nah, my name's Clarence....
 
2012-05-05 10:47:49 AM  

Terrydatroll: you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification


No you do not
You must give a name, then stfu
 
2012-05-05 10:49:06 AM  

Smokey the Bare: I mean, it's great and all that he acted like a 14 year old to the cop but...

FTFA: A 47-year-old man was charged April 23 with misdemeanor resisting officer without violence

...so now he has this headache to deal with for the next couple of months.

I don't think it's right to have to display ID without any probable cause on the cops part, but I think there are better ways to get laws changed than saying "fark you" to a cop.


Resisting arrest without violence shouldn't be against the law, it should be a civic duty! This is especially true when the cops actions are so blatently against the constitution.
 
2012-05-05 10:49:24 AM  

MythDragon: Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.

/you know I how I know you live in 1970's East Germany?



You know how I know you just got trolled?
 
2012-05-05 10:49:25 AM  

Icetech3: They don't say if the "person" is black or white? High crime area at night.. wandering black "person" i can understand a cop wanting to know why...

and for those that disagree with me.. come live in detroit with me for awhile and see how your opinion changes...


THIS

/Grew up in Port Huron but spent a lot of time partying at Wayne State.
 
2012-05-05 10:49:29 AM  
Your papers NOW !
www.holocaustresearchproject.org
 
2012-05-05 10:49:31 AM  
FTA the guy was walking in the middle of the street (if you accept the cop's version of the incident). Ped stops require little if any cause. A UC can simply ask you for a cigarette or the time and go from there. Unfortunately SCOTUS has given LEOs authority to demand your identification. Memorize your SSN and driver's license numbers, in case you forgot to carry your wallet that day.
 
2012-05-05 10:49:34 AM  
Clearly unconstitutional. I was on a Federal jury about 25 years ago, and it cost the City of Key West $50,000.00 for doing that to someone.
 
2012-05-05 10:49:34 AM  
I'd give the cop the finger and walk away.
I mean, what could he do about it?
/some words may be NSFW.
 
2012-05-05 10:49:46 AM  
 
2012-05-05 10:50:37 AM  
Good for him! Nosey pigs.
 
2012-05-05 10:50:54 AM  
Terrydatroll: I was going to advise you to change your login if you wanted any bites at all, but I see you've hooked several anyway. Huh.
 
2012-05-05 10:51:35 AM  
I dunno about you guys, but that area in Ft. Walton Beach mentioned in the article has quite a hooker problem. Cops had to do stings there every few months to clean it out when I lived in Navarre. Not fun.

/Redneck Riviera, not New America
/keep it in your pants, doomsayers.
 
2012-05-05 10:52:03 AM  

Mugato: AbbeySomeone: Mugato:
No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.


Not white enough, my friend.
 
2012-05-05 10:52:41 AM  

Mugato: AbbeySomeone: Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.

Why did they ask?

No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.


Nice. I tend to get a little paranoid. Same thing happened to me (without the "explosives" question), but I'm a slightly darker skinned Latino and all of my neighbors are white.
When I first moved into my neighborhood, I was jogging and a police cruiser pulled up and started asking questions, including, "what are you up to?" (asked in a nice way, of course). I answered, "Just going for a run... I moved in a few days ago because I was hired as a civil rights attorney at a nearby firm."

"Oh! Well... have a good day." And off he went.

I'd like to think it was totally innocuous, but past experience has shown me that police don't like it when the person they're talking to is well versed on their rights, so if the situation is innocent enough, they don't push it.

/maybe it WAS a harmless, but I don't risk it. Heard enough of my friends tell me about bad experiences with the "innocent questions"
 
2012-05-05 10:52:57 AM  
I have many names. But here I am called Ardra.
 
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2012-05-05 10:53:21 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.


in high crime areas, if something goes down (which happens a lot) or if something just went down, they know who was in the area at the time of the crime. not that they would suspect that person of committing the crime, but maybe he witnessed something that gives clues to solving a crime.

/not a cop
//was stopped thirty years ago taking a shortcut home through an area that had been hit by a rash of robberies
///was just a kid, nearly shat myself
 
2012-05-05 10:53:48 AM  
Paging CruiserTwelve. CruiserTwelve, report to Thread #7088775, to explain to us why this dangerous civilian needed to be dealt with.

Though, to be fair, the civilian actually survived the encounter. *tosses a donut to the cop* Good Boy!
 
2012-05-05 10:55:06 AM  
(Pre 9/11) I would often be stopped when I was out for a walk in my own neighbourhood by the county sheriff. He'd ask for my ID, and I'd decline, saying I was out for a walk around the lake and enjoying the night air. I wasn't a dick, but I never showed my ID, and they never pressed the matter.

The point being - fark the Hillsborough County Sheriff's Department.
 
2012-05-05 10:55:45 AM  

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


WRONG. The police may ask you your name. You have to reply truthfully. No I.D. required.
Rights are like muscles, they get weak if you don't exercise them.
 
2012-05-05 10:56:02 AM  
Hum, the other night coming back from a bike ride there were 2 cops on foot walking up our block clearly looking for someone or another. I didn't have my ID on me (I don't take a purse when I ride, nowhere to put it) and the old man actually pulled our bike into the driveway instead of just having me dismount in the street like we normally do-high curb and all that. Wasn't asked for anything but was expecting it. Still, when did it turn into have ID on you at all times, citizen? Just give me an RFID chip if you're all so worried, biatches. Good for that guy, sorry that he has a misdemeanor on his record, but I'd've done the same thing. Screw the Police State, there are still a few of us who will stand up for our rights and our privacy.
 
2012-05-05 10:56:06 AM  

Mr.Hawk: MythDragon: Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.

/you know I how I know you live in 1970's East Germany?


You know how I know you just got trolled?


No I am pretty sure he is a 1970's East German citizen with a time traveling internet connection. Occam's Razor says so.
 
2012-05-05 10:56:38 AM  

smadge1: I got ID'd by a cop while I was sitting in a car while I was waiting to meet some one in a church parking lot.

It was my mother's car, but still...


In all fairness, 99% of the times I have been "sitting in a car while I was waiting to meet someone in a church parking lot", that someone was a weed dealer.
 
2012-05-05 10:56:43 AM  

Smokey the Bare: misdemeanor resisting officer without violence


What is this I don't even
 
2012-05-05 10:57:58 AM  

Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.


Back when I did jog, I never had my ID on me. I was more worried about losing it or possibly getting mugged and having it stolen than anything else. I'd have said as much if I had ever been stopped, too...
 
2012-05-05 10:58:21 AM  
I don't carry ID when I'm out for a walk. Only if I'm driving. If some cop around here stopped me and asked me for ID, I'd probably laugh at him. And they'd probably drive away, because duh, it's a person out for a walk with her dog.

Damn, I'm glad I don't live in "civilization."
 
2012-05-05 10:59:11 AM  
I'll show you mine if you show me yours
 
2012-05-05 10:59:37 AM  
All you guys that just freely give out your ID when not driving are a bunch of idiots

Last time i got stopped walking by a terrorist it went like this

Piggy: Where you going and you have any ID
me: None of your business and no i dont
Piggy: You don't have any ID ? How did you get here?
me: If its any of your business I drove here and i left my ID with my car
Piggy: Where did you park?
me: Some side street to avoid the parking meters, cant recall the name right now
Piggy: Whats the make and model and colour of the car?
me: Im sorry this isn't a traffic stop and im not answering that are we done here?

He asks for my name and address and as usual it comes back clean (as it should since i have CCWs) and i walk away and flip him off. Stupid pig i should have invoiced the scumbag department for wasting my time.
 
2012-05-05 11:01:54 AM  

gingerjet: Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.

I don't carry an ID when I'm cycling or running. Why would you?


If you get injured, unconcious, unresponsive or just plain dead, then people know who you are.

Or more cheerfully, in case to want booze, cigs, or porn.
 
2012-05-05 11:02:02 AM  

gingerjet: Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.

I don't carry an ID when I'm cycling or running. Why would you?


He didn't. It never happened. They only stop poor looking folk in 'high crime' areas that all happen to be in black neighborhoods or the projects. Like black kids waiting for the bus or walking to the store or slanging crack.
 
2012-05-05 11:03:41 AM  
fark this man for infringing on the rights of that upstanding, albeit bored, officer of the law!
He can complain when a cop pulls a u-turn with his overheads flashing, then steps out and asks for a name.

/True story, bro.
//Was apparently satisfied to just get a first name, or just not have me running full-speed.
 
2012-05-05 11:05:22 AM  

bubbadave1056: Clearly unconstitutional. I was on a Federal jury about 25 years ago, and it cost the City of Key West $50,000.00 for doing that to someone.


It is only unconstitutional if the cop writes his report stupidly. Like, "Suspect was walking down the street minding his own business, so I asked him for id." Regardless of reality the cops write up will look more like, "Suspect was walking down the street with an apparent bulge in his pants pocket that I believed to be a weapon and appeared to be casing local business for robbery, so I asked him for id." Doesn't matter if that "bulge" turns out to be the guys cell phone or his dick, if it is written up like this and guy sues cop, guy will lose.

Let me rephrase. It's unconstitutional either way, but the first is the only way the guy will win a lawsuit.
 
2012-05-05 11:05:50 AM  

cryinoutloud: I don't carry ID when I'm out for a walk. Only if I'm driving. If some cop around here stopped me and asked me for ID, I'd probably laugh at him. And they'd probably drive away, because duh, it's a person out for a walk with her dog.

Damn, I'm glad I don't live in "civilization."


Bongo bongo bongo you don't want to leave the congo, oh, no no no no no?
 
2012-05-05 11:05:52 AM  

Weaver95: AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.

welcome to the New America.


It's only a "New America" for white folk. For black and brown people, it's business as usual.

See also: outrage at TSA.
 
2012-05-05 11:06:21 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: If you get injured, unconcious, unresponsive or just plain dead, then people know who you are.

Or more cheerfully, in case to want booze, cigs, or porn.


I have a wrist band that has my name, the contact information for my bf, and my health insurance information.

/and I live in an area were the DA isn't running for mayor so the liquor stores and bars rarely ask for your ID if you are clearly over 25
 
2012-05-05 11:08:46 AM  
I'm a white guy and was working in a high crime area when a cop pulled up. He asked what I was doing and if I needed help. I figured he thought I was there to buy drugs or a hooker. I said I'm fine and asked the cop if he needed any help. He had a weird look on his face and said, "No". Then drove away. Maybe he was really just trying to be helpful.
 
2012-05-05 11:09:27 AM  
Maybe I'm too white. I've lived in different cities and towns and have never been stopped or asked for ID. And I'm an insomniac who wanders around at all hours.
 
2012-05-05 11:09:56 AM  
Pig: What are you doing out here late at night?

Me: Sneaking

3.bp.blogspot.com

Truth is I'm plotting the violent overthrow of the public library system. They'll never see it coming.
 
2012-05-05 11:10:49 AM  
He shoulda punched that cop in the face. All cops are pussies.
 
2012-05-05 11:10:57 AM  

MythDragon: As I understood it, you are neither required to carry ID or show it just because a cop asks. (As long as you're not driving or doing something that specificly states that you need an ID/license to do it) Has something changed?


In the US, depends on the state. For Florida:

856.021Loitering or prowling; penalty.-
(1)It is unlawful for any person to loiter or prowl in a place, at a time or in a manner not usual for law-abiding individuals, under circumstances that warrant a justifiable and reasonable alarm or immediate concern for the safety of persons or property in the vicinity.
(2)Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object. Unless flight by the person or other circumstance makes it impracticable, a law enforcement officer shall, prior to any arrest for an offense under this section, afford the person an opportunity to dispel any alarm or immediate concern which would otherwise be warranted by requesting the person to identify himself or herself and explain his or her presence and conduct. No person shall be convicted of an offense under this section if the law enforcement officer did not comply with this procedure or if it appears at trial that the explanation given by the person is true and, if believed by the officer at the time, would have dispelled the alarm or immediate concern.
(3)Any person violating the provisions of this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.


So the mere act of refusing to identify yourself (which I don't believe is the same as refusing to show ID, identification could be verbal) is reason for detaining. However the cop is supposed to give the person a chance to explain even after they're detained.

In many other states the police have to have reasonable suspicion that you're doing something illegal before they can stop and request identification.
 
2012-05-05 11:11:48 AM  
I just avoid those guys completely. Cops, I mean. I smile and nod at them, and get to the other side of the street as soon as possible. Sure, there are good ones out there, but the bad ones will ruin your life and at this point in American history, the cops are just another gang that will harass you on the streets. The problem is that they're a legally-sanctioned gang. I know better than to tempt fate.
 
2012-05-05 11:12:27 AM  
he was arrested for resisting arrest.
 
2012-05-05 11:12:30 AM  

ZeroCorpse: I just avoid those guys completely. Cops, I mean. I smile and nod at them, and get to the other side of the street as soon as possible. Sure, there are good ones out there, but the bad ones will ruin your life and at this point in American history, the cops are just another gang that will harass you on the streets. The problem is that they're a legally-sanctioned gang. I know better than to tempt fate.


Isn't crossing the street to avoid a cop probable cause?
 
2012-05-05 11:12:48 AM  
BlippityBleep

what he's being charged? what exactly was he resisting??

Because in most states you are required to provide your name (and address) when asked. You are not required to show your drivers lic. unless you are driving.
 
2012-05-05 11:13:14 AM  
Don't talk to police at all. Ever.
 
2012-05-05 11:13:15 AM  

rjakobi: I dunno about you guys, but that area in Ft. Walton Beach mentioned in the article has quite a hooker problem. Cops had to do stings there every few months to clean it out when I lived in Navarre. Not fun.

/Redneck Riviera, not New America
/keep it in your pants, doomsayers.


CSB:
I lived in FWB in '05. I picked up a hooker by accident.
I was coming home from a resturant, and I think I was on Racetrack rd near a warehouse type area (memory kinda fuzzy). Anyway it was lightly raining, and I saw this woman slowly walking down the sidewalk. There was nothing around for a few blocks, and the whole area was dead. She was late 30's. Wearing sweats. Looked like someone's mom. Shiat, I figured, might as well help her out. I pulled along side and asked if she wanted a ride. She said sure and hopped in.
So she's just kinda looking at me, as if waiting for something.
I start to drive off and ask
Me: Um where do you want to go?
Hooker: ....downtown?
M: Fort Walton doesn't really have a downtown....
H: *Blank stare*
Then I start to get an idea...
M: Is there some where you need to go, or are you.....working?
H: Shiat. Are you a cop (I am military)
M: Dammit, you're a hooker.
H: So, you're not a cop?
M: No. Look, I'm not sure if this is a normal thing, but I thought you just needed a ride. I didn't know you needed a ride
H: So, you're not going to pay me?
M: I am not. Um, so...what is the procedure for something like this? Do I just drop you off at the next corner or something?
H: Yeah, I suppose.
So I drop her off.
M: It's a really crappy night out. Why are you out in this weather?
H: I need money
M: Oh. Okay. Well good luck with that.
*leaves*
 
2012-05-05 11:13:46 AM  
Man "Is walking down the street illegal now?"

Cop "um..no"

Man "then go fark yourself."
 
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