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(NW Florida Daily News)   Most awesome response ever after a cop asks for a man's ID just because he was walking through a neighborhood known as a high-crime area: "(Expletive) you, that's for you to figure out"   (nwfdailynews.com) divider line 323
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2012-05-05 01:55:50 AM  
You've got to admire when someone answers in straight forward fashion
 
2012-05-05 02:00:56 AM  
Good man.
 
2012-05-05 02:12:38 AM  
Make the douchebag cop work for minimum wage for the next year just to remind him what he's worth in the real world.
 
2012-05-05 05:36:36 AM  
Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.
 
2012-05-05 07:09:32 AM  
" Let me see your papers, citizen. What is your purpose for walking this sidewalk, comrade?"
 
2012-05-05 07:13:15 AM  
Actually the correct response would be " I appreciate your efforts to keep the neighborhood safe, but you don't have the right to ask me that. If you'd like, I'll wait here while you call your supervisor and we can discuss it"
 
2012-05-05 07:26:30 AM  
I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.
 
2012-05-05 07:27:36 AM  
I mean, it's great and all that he acted like a 14 year old to the cop but...

FTFA: A 47-year-old man was charged April 23 with misdemeanor resisting officer without violence

...so now he has this headache to deal with for the next couple of months.

I don't think it's right to have to display ID without any probable cause on the cops part, but I think there are better ways to get laws changed than saying "fark you" to a cop.
 
2012-05-05 07:35:04 AM  
You want to see my ID? Are you selling beer?
 
2012-05-05 07:48:28 AM  

Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.


Why did they ask?
 
2012-05-05 07:52:28 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.

Why did they ask?


No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.
 
2012-05-05 08:00:08 AM  

Mugato: AbbeySomeone: Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.

Why did they ask?

No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.


Seems silly but whatever.
 
2012-05-05 08:26:14 AM  
And of course he gets arrested for that. Papers citizen, if you've done nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide.
 
2012-05-05 08:58:27 AM  

Mugato: No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.


Maybe they were just bored and looking for someone to serve and protect.
 
2012-05-05 09:45:00 AM  

Mugato: And I'm white.


The rules say stop one white guy for every one hundred and ninety nine brown people, just to say "No way, we stop white people too!". The rules also specify the White Guy should doing something utterly innocuous so there is no chance of being forced to arrest him.
 
2012-05-05 10:00:35 AM  
I got stopped once while I was in Colorado when I was driving my co-workers to the bank. He said he was concerned that I was being held against my will.

The thriving Filipinos gangs apparently make Colorado cops nervous out in the mountains...
 
2012-05-05 10:10:30 AM  
A 47-year-old man was charged April 23 with misdemeanor resisting officer without violence.

he'll beat that charge, AND he's got a fairly decent shot at a civil rights violation case as well.
 
2012-05-05 10:11:10 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.


welcome to the New America.
 
2012-05-05 10:28:28 AM  

hubiestubert: I got stopped once while I was in Colorado when I was driving my co-workers to the bank. He said he was concerned that I was being held against my will.

The thriving Filipinos gangs apparently make Colorado cops nervous out in the mountains...


You're Filipino? You don't look it.

/Filipinos- just like regular people, except smaller
 
2012-05-05 10:34:24 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.


Well, from the article he was walking in the middle of the street, so there was at least jaywalking, although jaywalking really only warrants police interest if it is actually dangerous or impeding/disrupting traffic.
 
2012-05-05 10:34:38 AM  
I got ID'd by a cop while I was sitting in a car while I was waiting to meet some one in a church parking lot.

It was my mother's car, but still...
 
2012-05-05 10:35:09 AM  
I can't find a link, but in House Party when the cops ask the dad what he's doing and he tells them he's going about his farking business.
 
2012-05-05 10:35:45 AM  
Lucky for him it was a cop who has rules he must follow. If it was a neighborhood watchman then he would have been shot outright.
 
2012-05-05 10:35:45 AM  

vernonFL: Actually the correct response would be " I appreciate your efforts to keep the neighborhood safe, but you don't have the right to ask me that. If you'd like, I'll wait here while you call your supervisor and we can discuss it"


Yep. I'd actually be more inclined to make sure I had the officer's badge (name or number) commited to memory, then get a little more confrontational than that.

Perhaps something along the lines of, "Do you believe you're lawfully able to demand that? I'll surrender my ID if you say yes, but please be aware I will be filing a complaint with your Chief, the local papers, and my lawyer. I generally support the police, but I don't live in a police state."
 
2012-05-05 10:35:54 AM  

vernonFL: Actually the correct response would be " I appreciate your efforts to keep the neighborhood safe, but you don't have the right to ask me that. If you'd like, I'll wait here while you call your supervisor and we can discuss it"


You'd get exactly the same response as the original guy. Cops are trained to always take control of any situation so short of actually killing him, you're always gonna be wrong.
 
2012-05-05 10:35:59 AM  
Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.
 
2012-05-05 10:36:11 AM  
AbbeySomeone: Why is someone asked for ID when just walking? It sounds like they were looking for a reason to arrest him.

It beats getting shot for the same reason. Which, as you may remember, sometimes happens.
 
2012-05-05 10:36:55 AM  

Mugato: No reason. They rolled up, asked me who I was, asked me if I had any weapons or explosives (I'm not kidding), got my ID and ran it. Not a bad neighborhood either. And I'm white.


But you are still a slave.
 
2012-05-05 10:37:24 AM  

unyon: Filipinos- just like regular people, except smaller


There seem to be a lot of them driving Hummers around here.

Not that there is anything wrong with that

// oh wait - dashboard taller than driver - not good
 
2012-05-05 10:37:37 AM  

unyon: hubiestubert: I got stopped once while I was in Colorado when I was driving my co-workers to the bank. He said he was concerned that I was being held against my will.

The thriving Filipinos gangs apparently make Colorado cops nervous out in the mountains...

You're Filipino? You don't look it.

/Filipinos- just like regular people, except smaller


No, and that apparently was the problem. I'm Japanese-Irish-German, Cop saw a bunch of tiny brown people and a pale face driving an Old Skool New Yorker, and apparently just had to follow...

My co-workers were all H1B workers, and they busted a lot of ass, drank like there was no tomorrow, and were fun as Hells to be around. Don't miss the job that took me out there, but damn I miss the people.
 
2012-05-05 10:37:58 AM  
Terrydatroll: You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.

I do realize what you're doing, but still I want to point out that everyone is a potential criminal. Even active criminals have the potential to commit more crimes. And dead people can at least be accomplices, and it's hard to prove they're unwilling.
 
2012-05-05 10:37:58 AM  
"I have nothing to say. Am I free to go or am I being detained"

Repeat as necessary.
 
2012-05-05 10:38:13 AM  

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


actually...no. the cops DO NOT have an absolute right to require identification, nor do you have an obligation to always carry ID. there are limits on what the police can demand from random passerby.

not that it matters...we've been training people to be good little authoritarians for a while now and most people don't know or care about their rights anymore.
 
2012-05-05 10:38:21 AM  
Unfortunately, iirc there's court precedent saying you do have to identify yourself if police ask you to.

However, I agree with MLK, Jr., that sometimes passively resisting an unjust law and taking the consequences for that passive resistance is the best way to deal with an unjust law.

Good for the the guy for taking a stand.
 
2012-05-05 10:38:33 AM  

Weaver95: welcome to the New America.


It never existed.
 
2012-05-05 10:40:29 AM  
Hasn't the suprrme court already ruled that cops can ask your identity?
 
2012-05-05 10:41:44 AM  
Record all interactions with the police.
 
2012-05-05 10:42:03 AM  
Impressed:

i212.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-05 10:42:22 AM  

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


Supreme Court already ruled the police do not have the right to require you to provide ID if you are NOT committing a crime. Trumping up a charge as this officer did just to force the issue will turn into a multi-million dollar headache soon.
 
2012-05-05 10:42:40 AM  
Only a white man can get away with a response like that.
 
2012-05-05 10:42:59 AM  
Link

/GED in Law.
 
2012-05-05 10:43:03 AM  
As I understood it, you are neither required to carry ID or show it just because a cop asks. (As long as you're not driving or doing something that specificly states that you need an ID/license to do it) Has something changed?

Why was the guy arrested? was it failure to show papers, or because he walked away without 'officaly being allowed to leave a cop's presence'? And is walking away when not specificaly ordered to remain a crime? I would (hopefully) think that the 'crime' has no chance of standing up in court, and it was just the asshole cop's way of wasting this dude's time for daring to defy him.

If I was out walking my dogs or just for a stroll (as I like to do at 12-1am because I stay up late on the weekends) and a cop asked for ID, I'd just say "Don't have it with me. Can I go?"

CSB:
I was out with my dogs once night, as a office drove by, pulled up next to me and asked 'What are you doing out this late?'
"I am stealing dogs. I've got two so far, I want to get at least two more before the night is out" is what I wanted to say, instead I went with
"Um...walking dogs?"
It seemed like that answer pleased him, as I didn't admit to selling crack or breaking into homes, and he looked me over and drove off.
 
2012-05-05 10:43:21 AM  
They don't say if the "person" is black or white? High crime area at night.. wandering black "person" i can understand a cop wanting to know why...

and for those that disagree with me.. come live in detroit with me for awhile and see how your opinion changes...
 
2012-05-05 10:43:33 AM  

Terrydatroll: Yeah, maybe. Personally I think a better response would be one that didn't land you in jail. I would have tagged this one "worse response ever". Police have the right to ID you anywhere and you have the legal responsibility to provide proper identification or information which can be used to properly identify you. The police in this case were trying to reduce crime in a high crime area. Crooks are less likely to commit a crime if the cops know they were there. You folks responding negatively toward the cops in this case are either shallow thinkers or potential criminals.


First, police cannot have the right to ID you. Governments have POWERS, not RIGHTS. Second, they don't have that power here. Not sure about Florida. If you are law enforcement in this area, and you ask for my ID without cause, expect a 3 day unpaid vacation.

/hardly anti cop, wife worked as a dispatcher until recently
//teach the local police and sheriffs tactical driving skills twice a year
 
2012-05-05 10:43:38 AM  
When the deputy stopped the man and asked for his identification, the man replied, "(Expletive) you, that's for you to figure out."

i1136.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-05 10:43:57 AM  
In the land of the free....

"Stop and identify" statutes are laws in the United States that allow police to detain persons and request such persons to identify themselves, and arrest them if they do not.

The authority to detain on reasonable suspicion was established in Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 (1968), and does not depend on the existence of a law that specifically authorizes such a detention, so that authority exists in all jurisdictions in the United States. The name disclosure was considered by the U.S. Supreme Court in Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), which held that the name disclosure did not violate the Fourth Amendment prohibition on unreasonable searches and seizures. The Hiibel Court also held that, because Hiibel had no reasonable belief that his name would be used to incriminate him, the name disclosure did not violate the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination; however, the Court left open the possibility that Fifth Amendment right might apply in situations where there was a reasonable belief that giving a name could be incriminating. The Court accepted the Nevada supreme court's interpretation of the Nevada statute that a detained person could satisfy the Nevada law by simply stating his name. The Court did not rule on whether particular identification cards could be required, though it did mention one state's law requiring "credible and reliable" identification had been struck down for vagueness.
 
2012-05-05 10:44:01 AM  
Darth_Lukecash: Hasn't the suprrme court already ruled that cops can ask your identity?

Well, sure, they can ask, so long as they're unthreatening or off-duty. That's First Amendment.
 
2012-05-05 10:44:31 AM  
Carry an Iranian Intelligence Service ID card just to fark with them.
 
2012-05-05 10:45:13 AM  

Mugato: I was asked for my id while jogging during the day in my own neighborhood. I gave it to him. Sorry, someone else can be an activist, I'm not good at absorbing electricity.


I don't carry an ID when I'm cycling or running. Why would you?
 
2012-05-05 10:45:19 AM  
what he's being charged? what exactly was he resisting?? the officer basically said 'fark you' and he said 'fark you right back'. no crime here.
 
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