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(Guardian)   Article asks: "How seriously should we take the growing church of Jediism?" Is this a trick question?   (guardian.co.uk ) divider line
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2012-05-04 07:28:20 PM  
You should not take the church of Jediism seriously.
 
2012-05-04 07:46:34 PM  
It should be taken as seriously as all other religions with a fictional backstory, i.e. all of them.
 
2012-05-04 07:55:06 PM  
I want to see evidence. I want my own lightsaber, please.
 
2012-05-04 07:58:29 PM  
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Whoa, this dude has control of lightning and a lightsaber. This shiat is totes legit!
 
2012-05-04 07:59:10 PM  
They're all a big joke anyway. They were much cooler and more venerable when they were all dead and legendary and stuff. Then we see them alive and they're total morans.
 
2012-05-04 08:01:52 PM  
*finger pass* This is not a trick question.
 
2012-05-04 08:02:27 PM  
I am Orthodox Jedi, so I reject the heretical belief in midichlorians.
 
2012-05-04 08:07:48 PM  
The Jedi faith, like any other, will be taken seriously once it reaches legitimacy -- when it has enough money to fund a strong lobby.

/obvious
 
2012-05-04 08:08:02 PM  
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
 
2012-05-04 08:09:50 PM  
If scientologists can worship (or unworship) Xenu, then why not?
 
2012-05-04 08:11:44 PM  
I can never find the droids I am looking for.
 
2012-05-04 08:33:16 PM  
Remind me why we should take any religion seriously? People with a need for religion will believe in anything no matter how insane or obviously made up.
 
2012-05-04 08:37:37 PM  
Except for the telekinesis and force lightning, it is just as credible as any other faith.

A lot of people feel that there is a "force" in the universe out there. It could be an energy field created by all living things. It might surround us and penetrate us(sounds a bit rapey.) Maybe it does bind the galaxy together.

Makes more sense than some dude sitting on a cloud or a throne in the sky.
 
2012-05-04 08:39:55 PM  

MrEricSir: It should be taken as seriously as all other religions with a fictional backstory, i.e. all of them.



This.

I don't see Jesus walking on water or Shiva meditating on the bank of the Ganges or elemental spirits or etc.... There's just as much proof of the veracity of the Jedi religion as any other - you know... NONE - so why not take it as seriously as any other superstitious mumbo jumbo?
 
2012-05-04 08:45:14 PM  
I wonder if a bunch of gays got together and declared homosexuality a religion, would they get equal protection under the law as all the others?
 
2012-05-04 08:49:36 PM  

Loucifer: I am Orthodox Jedi, so I reject the heretical belief in midichlorians.


I find your lack of faith rewarding.
 
2012-05-04 09:00:47 PM  
I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful force controlling everything.

No mystical energy field controls my destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
 
2012-05-04 09:02:38 PM  
You will never find a more pathetic hive of nerds and basement-dwellers. We must be careful.
 
2012-05-04 09:14:17 PM  
George Lucas was a great student of the Mythologist Joseph Campbell and Dr. Campbell was a great student of Taoism. Lucas actually consulted with Campbell as he wrote the original screen play for what became "Star Wars". He modeled Luke's progress on the "Heroes Journey" by Campbell and "Jedi" philosophy on a mix of Taoism, Buddhism and the writings of Carlos Castaneda which were in vogue during the mid 1970s. It never ceases to amuse me when I will talk to a young person about the Tao Te Ching and they will say "so, you're talking about the force". In an odd round about way Lucas's perhaps most long lasting and positive influence may be exposing two generations of young people to the wisdom of the Tao.

"For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. Its energy surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter. You must feel the Force around you; here, between you, me, the tree, the rock, everywhere, yes."

- Tao Master Yoda
 
2012-05-04 09:14:38 PM  
It can only be taken seriously when they start getting death threats from Christians.
 
2012-05-04 09:21:40 PM  
Please let this be the next Scientology. Please let this be the next Scientology. Please let this be the next Scientology.
 
2012-05-04 09:23:50 PM  
Jediism has the best nuns...

farm3.static.flickr.com
 
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2012-05-04 09:23:54 PM  
The answer is none. None more seriously.
 
2012-05-04 09:28:16 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Jediism has the best nuns...


Jedi nuns use force of habit.
 
2012-05-04 09:38:19 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Except for the telekinesis and force lightning, it is just as credible as any other faith.

A lot of people feel that there is a "force" in the universe out there. It could be an energy field created by all living things. It might surround us and penetrate us(sounds a bit rapey.) Maybe it does bind the galaxy together.

Makes more sense than some dude sitting on a cloud or a throne in the sky.


Well, other religions have burning bushes, resurrections, faith healing, speaking in tongues and so on, so mind tricks and force lightning are about on the same level.

Jediism is really just a mix of Buddhism with some bits and pieces of a bunch of other religions thrown in and given a sci-fi covering. It is like what Scientology could have been if it wasn't the demented moneymaking scheme of a hack pulp author.
 
2012-05-04 09:40:57 PM  
Some of the aspects of Jediism are just technological... If we get up to the smart dust level of nano tech I could see it becoming pervasive, we could wind up with something approaching telekinesis and mind control, and it would explain what those midichlorians actually are.

And it would make for good sci-fi if it weren't that someone already used them.
 
2012-05-04 09:41:29 PM  
Well, Jedi can't have sex, so it's perfect. I'm definitely dark side. I didn't know I would be until the mmo came out.
 
2012-05-04 09:52:06 PM  
Star Wars is, in essence, a type of multi-faith casserole. Christianity features heavily, for example. This is manifested in the puzzle of Anakin Skywalker's conception, by phrases such as "May the Force be with you" and an overarching redemption theme. Yoda critiques Luke for his lack of faith. "Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try."

Judaism is prevalent in the constant tensions between good and evil, loyalty and fatherhood. The religious ideology of Buddhism is there, focusing on the art of meditation and reducing the passions that taint the soul. Meanwhile the Hindu concept of Om, representing a power present in all things, is never far away.


In a casserole, as the author acknowledeges, you can recognize individual ingredients and their contributions to the flavor. He's stretching to identify them, though. Supernatural conception, faith, conflict between religious moral obligations and customary social obligations, meditation, calming tumultuous emotions that lead one astray, power of the faith proved by superhuman or supernatural feats, and a power present in all things are all in pretty much every religion. You might say faith is contrary to Buddhism, but Buddhism teaches that stubborn doubt can hinder practice. Yoda was trying to get Luke to raise the X-wing out of the swamp: to personally, directly experience the truth of the teaching, which is the standard of religious proof that Siddharta Gautama encouraged people to demand.

The idea that being particularly good at religion make you particularly good at violence is not present in all religions in the idealized forms that we fastidiously study in school, but it is, unfortunately, universally believed by asshats and assholes around the world even when it isn't taught by religious authorities. So that is a universal element as well.

You might give George Lucas credit for adding a slightly novel touch with his a scientific explanation for why some people are biologically better equipped to practice religion than others, which is surprisingly and thankfully not all that common, but if he was going to add one somewhat unusual flavor to his made-up religion, it doesn't say much for his taste that he picked something vile, creepy, and destructive.

So no, it isn't a casserole. It's a smooth food-like paste created by blending all the foods of the world together into an industrial goo, whose only detectable departure from a precise bland statistical average is a slight overabundance of two particularly unpleasant flavors. Hell, even L.Ron Hubbard did better.

But at least George Lucas didn't do it as a cynical, self-aggrandizing commercial ploy. Not the first three two and a half times, anyway.
 
2012-05-04 10:33:03 PM  
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.
 
2012-05-04 10:49:59 PM  

LDM90: They're all a big joke anyway. They were much cooler and more venerable when they were all dead and legendary and stuff. Then we see them alive and they're total morans.


In other words, it is a religion.
 
2012-05-05 12:18:10 AM  

hogans: Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid.


Dick Cheney to Bush just before Cheney shoots the lawyer.
 
2012-05-05 01:09:57 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: I've never seen anything to make me believe that there's one all-powerful force controlling everything.

No mystical energy field controls my destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.


What's fun is that you can use that same bit on the feng shui people.
 
2012-05-05 01:49:09 AM  
George Lucas is not L. Ron Hubbard. He's probably aware that he could use the Force, so to speak, to turn himself into L. Ron Hubbard, and he must find the idea appalling enough to not be tempted by how lucrative it would probably be.
 
2012-05-05 03:56:36 AM  
There are census data, people!

FTA: "Although the results of the 2001 census, in which 390,000 recipients stated their religion as Jedi, have been widely interpreted as a pop at the government, the UK does actually have serious Jedi."
 
2012-05-05 07:20:00 AM  

MrEricSir: It should be taken as seriously as all other religions with a fictional backstory, i.e. all of them.


With the added bonus that you can make fun of them for being nerds as well.
 
2012-05-05 04:15:31 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Jediism has the best nuns...

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x376]


I approve of this image.
 
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