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2012-05-04 06:40:32 PM  

Halli: chuckufarlie: Thrag: chuckufarlie: Are you that stupid? I provided a link a long time ago.

You provided a link to a short blurb that links to a video interview. An interview where when asked if man is contributing to global warming he says, and I quote "Over the last 300 years [referring to an earlier comment about warming since the little ice age], no . Maybe some effect now." His main argument is that the effect of CO2 is tiny, not that mankind's activities can't possibly affect the climate.

Halli: chuckufarlie: Halli: chuckufarlie: I did not say that they were climatologists, I said that they were working in the field of climatology. The fact that they wrote papers on climatology means that they work in the field.

What papers have they published in a climatology journal?

there you go setting up the requirements again.

You said they published papers on climatology. I just asked for examples.

Are you that stupid? I provided a link a long time ago.

thanks for proving my point.

What point would that be? That you provided a link that doesn't what you say?

Nice going there nicksteel.


I said that they were working in the field of climatology.
 
2012-05-04 06:41:10 PM  

Halli: chuckufarlie: and you could just as easily go back over previous posts.

Link

Was it this one?

Link

Or this one?

Those are the only links you have left in this thread that I can find.

I don't see anything there about published articles in climatology journals.


I said that they were working in the field of climatology.
 
2012-05-04 06:41:43 PM  

chuckufarlie: I said that they were working in the field of climatology.


You said they wrote papers. As in publishing in scientific journals in the field of climatology.

Posting shiat on a website doesn't count.
 
2012-05-04 06:43:00 PM  

ordinarysteve: BMulligan: ordinarysteve: Trofim Lysenko was also the greatest biologist of all time

I think you mean the FATHER OF BIOLOGY!TM

haha, my mistake.
/i've been getting some hearty chuckles at your posts on here


You know, that raises a good question: Why haven't I favorited BMulligan?

/Well, I'm about to correct that shortly.
 
2012-05-04 06:44:18 PM  

lockers: and this troll isn't making any kind of argument where you can show your brains. Again, shame on all of you for screwing the pooch on this thread.


Point, Set,,,
well spoketh monsquid:)
Been on fark for years, entertaining on one level and frightening on another level when what you read creeps you out.
Crazy
 
2012-05-04 06:44:25 PM  
Extremely Q&D:

i.imgur.com
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The kicker:
i.imgur.com
^Actual quote from the Unabomber's Manifesto by Ted Kaczinski
 
2012-05-04 06:46:47 PM  

smeegle: gulogulo: But there comes a point, eventually, where you have to make a decision off of the best data available.

Can't argue with that. Being the geek that I am, it does all come down to the data. Where I get bemused is the varied interpretation of that data. And- since I am not well versed in Climatology, then what the hell am I Joeline public supposed to believe?


I understand. Honestly, while the AGW is a touchy, and difficult case to make sometimes given the observational nature of the data, there are issues related to it that there really is little debate about any more. These include:

1.) Accelerated climate change in the past decades (ample landscape wide evidence of this occurring)

For instance, this has led to greater forest die-off due to beetle infestation, more wildfires, increased disruption of hydrology across the landscape that impacts food supply, etc. This is a serious problem. Additionally, snow pack and snow melt has decreased rapidly in the mountains, impacting cold water fish species (e.g. trout).

2.) Acidification of the oceans due to increased C02 levels in the air.

Calcium dependent bivalves, corrals (critical as nursery habitat for the world's seafood supply) and other organisms are unable to build the necessary structures for life as this acidification interrupts calcification.

3.) Increased population growth and/or urban sprawl has interrupted natural ecosystem services upon which we depend.

The rate of expansion into wetlands, bottomlands, and grasslands has been exponential.

4.) Access to fresh water is already becoming a very serious problem in some parts of the country (Along the Rio Grande, farmers will only be getting 1/6 of their usual allotment of water this year).

We can argue that people shouldn't be living in these places where water is scarce, but at the moment, they do. And they will have to go somewhere. Additionally, places not usually associated with drought are now seeing issues. This is due to a lack of recharge events when they need to happen.

All of these are really incontrovertible at this point, and are, in part, man-made issues. These are the things that we need to be focusing on.
 
2012-05-04 06:46:56 PM  
Dr. Mojo PhD
Holy shiatballs, that is just ugly acting out.
 
2012-05-04 06:47:16 PM  

lockers: this troll isn't making any kind of argument where you can show your brains.


That's not the point. The point is to have a lot of cheap laughs at his expense while we wait for happy hour to start.

andrewagill: Why haven't I favorited BMulligan?

/Well, I'm about to correct that shortly.


[Blushes.]
 
2012-05-04 06:47:19 PM  

chuckufarlie: You are just another idiot who believes in a failed theory and you relentlessly attack anybody who disagrees with you.

Stomping your feet and screaming might have worked on your mother, but your tantrums don't have any impact on me. Grow up and take a mature approach.



I cannot believe the projection and hypocrisy in this post. This just be a joke. Is this also sarcasm? Please tell me it is.
 
2012-05-04 06:47:34 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: ^Actual quote from the Unabomber's Manifesto by Ted Kaczinski


Heh it's always funny to see people rant about the Unabomber being a hardcore liberal when so much of his manifesto is dedicated to railing against the libs and the leftists.
 
2012-05-04 06:49:14 PM  

chuckufarlie: We do know, from the VOSTOK ice core samples, that historically, an increase in CO2 has always followed an increase in temperature,


Someone already showed you a link that demonstrates your assertion is not grounded in science. With that, I'm not going to deal with your trolling any more. It's not productive.
 
2012-05-04 06:50:58 PM  

gulogulo: chuckufarlie: We do know, from the VOSTOK ice core samples, that historically, an increase in CO2 has always followed an increase in temperature,

Someone already showed you a link that demonstrates your assertion is not grounded in science. With that, I'm not going to deal with your trolling any more. It's not productive.


My "assertion" is directly from the IPCC report. The data was complied by the CRU.
 
2012-05-04 06:51:38 PM  

BMulligan: lockers: this troll isn't making any kind of argument where you can show your brains.

That's not the point. The point is to have a lot of cheap laughs at his expense while we wait for happy hour to start.


This is passing the time for me so I don't kill my computer while waiting for models to draw. Faster processing, they said. My ass.
 
2012-05-04 06:52:20 PM  

gulogulo: All of these are really incontrovertible at this point, and are, in part, man-made issues. These are the things that we need to be focusing on.


Thank you for your succinct outline of the scientific facts. Indisputable. Keep up the argument because this little sparky (EL EG) can't knowledgeably articulate what I know what in my gut is true. When the last Polar bear slips into the ice, even then, the nay sayers will turn their pointy little political noses away. And that burns me to the core.
 
2012-05-04 06:52:51 PM  

chuckufarlie: My "assertion" is directly from the IPCC report. The data was complied by the CRU.


That's a rather large report. Can you cite the section and page number?
 
2012-05-04 06:53:33 PM  

gulogulo: smeegle: gulogulo: But there comes a point, eventually, where you have to make a decision off of the best data available.

Can't argue with that. Being the geek that I am, it does all come down to the data. Where I get bemused is the varied interpretation of that data. And- since I am not well versed in Climatology, then what the hell am I Joeline public supposed to believe?

I understand. Honestly, while the AGW is a touchy, and difficult case to make sometimes given the observational nature of the data, there are issues related to it that there really is little debate about any more. These include:

1.) Accelerated climate change in the past decades (ample landscape wide evidence of this occurring)

For instance, this has led to greater forest die-off due to beetle infestation, more wildfires, increased disruption of hydrology across the landscape that impacts food supply, etc. This is a serious problem. Additionally, snow pack and snow melt has decreased rapidly in the mountains, impacting cold water fish species (e.g. trout).

2.) Acidification of the oceans due to increased C02 levels in the air.

Calcium dependent bivalves, corrals (critical as nursery habitat for the world's seafood supply) and other organisms are unable to build the necessary structures for life as this acidification interrupts calcification.

3.) Increased population growth and/or urban sprawl has interrupted natural ecosystem services upon which we depend.

The rate of expansion into wetlands, bottomlands, and grasslands has been exponential.

4.) Access to fresh water is already becoming a very serious problem in some parts of the country (Along the Rio Grande, farmers will only be getting 1/6 of their usual allotment of water this year).

We can argue that people shouldn't be living in these places where water is scarce, but at the moment, they do. And they will have to go somewhere. Additionally, places not usually associated with drought are now seeing issues. This is due to a lac ...



Accelerated climate change??? Less than one degree Celsius since 1850 Is not accelerated.

The rest of your post is just "the sky is falling" bullshiat.
 
2012-05-04 06:54:42 PM  

chuckufarlie: I said that they were working in the field of climatology.


Yes, in the same way that the timecube guy is working in the field of cosmology.
 
2012-05-04 06:54:47 PM  

Halli: Dr. Mojo PhD: ^Actual quote from the Unabomber's Manifesto by Ted Kaczinski

Heh it's always funny to see people rant about the Unabomber being a hardcore liberal when so much of his manifesto is dedicated to railing against the libs and the leftists.


Of course. It's them try to get liberals to "take credit" for some bad guy. "We-we-well if McVeigh is one of us, then Kaczynski is one of you!" Nope. Not with shiat like this he isn't:

6. Almost everyone will agree that we live in a deeply troubled
society. One of the most widespread manifestations of the craziness of
our world is leftism
, so a discussion of the psychology of leftism can
serve as an introduction to the discussion of the problems of modern
society in general
.

7. But what is leftism? During the first half of the 20th century
leftism could have been practically identified with socialism. Today
the movement is fragmented and it is not clear who can properly be
called a leftist. When we speak of leftists in this article we have in
mind mainly socialists, collectivists, "politically correct" types,
feminists, gay and disability activists, animal rights activists
and
the like.


Railing against feminism, collectivists, socialists, "political correctness", gay advocacy, animal rights activists.

He sounds like a typical right-wing nutjob. That's because he is a typical right-wing nutjob. Besides, he opposed progress -- you know, the thing that, by definition, progressives are for, as if that wasn't a big enough hint.
 
2012-05-04 06:54:57 PM  

gulogulo: chuckufarlie: My "assertion" is directly from the IPCC report. The data was complied by the CRU.

That's a rather large report. Can you cite the section and page number?


do you want me to come tuck you in? Grow up, asshole. Take some responsibility. What I have posted about the increase in temperature is a well known fact to people who actually know anything about the subject.
 
2012-05-04 06:55:24 PM  
I meant to say the ocean, when the last polar bear slips into the ocean. No that doesn't work. Ah fark it you guys know what I mean.
 
2012-05-04 06:55:33 PM  
Hitler was a vegetarian. You don't want to be like Hitler, do you?

Meat, Eat it
 
2012-05-04 06:56:02 PM  

smeegle: gulogulo: All of these are really incontrovertible at this point, and are, in part, man-made issues. These are the things that we need to be focusing on.

Thank you for your succinct outline of the scientific facts. Indisputable. Keep up the argument because this little sparky (EL EG) can't knowledgeably articulate what I know what in my gut is true. When the last Polar bear slips into the ice, even then, the nay sayers will turn their pointy little political noses away. And that burns me to the core.


last polar bear slips into the ice? How does anything slip INTO the ice?
 
2012-05-04 06:56:57 PM  

smeegle: I meant to say the ocean, when the last polar bear slips into the ocean. No that doesn't work. Ah fark it you guys know what I mean.


Polar bears spend lots of time in the ocean. Turns out that they can swim. Who Knew?
 
2012-05-04 06:57:10 PM  

smeegle: gulogulo: All of these are really incontrovertible at this point, and are, in part, man-made issues. These are the things that we need to be focusing on.

Thank you for your succinct outline of the scientific facts. Indisputable. Keep up the argument because this little sparky (EL EG) can't knowledgeably articulate what I know what in my gut is true. When the last Polar bear slips into the ice, even then, the nay sayers will turn their pointy little political noses away. And that burns me to the core.


You've got it wrong. What they are going to do is mock you for caring about the polar bears. And if you argue they will "just ask" why you support the ALF. And they will finally follow it up by calling you or your mother a stupid whore with an agenda.
 
2012-05-04 06:57:10 PM  

chuckufarlie: gulogulo: chuckufarlie: My "assertion" is directly from the IPCC report. The data was complied by the CRU.

That's a rather large report. Can you cite the section and page number?

do you want me to come tuck you in? Grow up, asshole. Take some responsibility. What I have posted about the increase in temperature is a well known fact to people who actually know anything about the subject.


So no, you can't actually cite your work, and you're comparing providing citations for your claims -- something you're supposed to do without any need for prompting from others, and which a failure to do would get you flunked out of high school, let alone the advanced classes university climatology courses require -- to babying somebody; a typical lunatic tactic.
 
2012-05-04 06:57:24 PM  

smeegle: gulogulo: All of these are really incontrovertible at this point, and are, in part, man-made issues. These are the things that we need to be focusing on.

Thank you for your succinct outline of the scientific facts. Indisputable. Keep up the argument because this little sparky (EL EG) can't knowledgeably articulate what I know what in my gut is true. When the last Polar bear slips into the ice, even then, the nay sayers will turn their pointy little political noses away. And that burns me to the core.


Thank you. It's interesting, too, that all that I outlined should be things that people as a species should be keenly interested in. This isn't about some kind of esoteric "save the world" ideal. The world is fine. Nature isn't fragile. It's robust, and will go on long after we are gone.

What is fragile are the systems upon human's depend. We are pushing ourselves to critical limits. It's a headscratcher why we arguing about this, any more. Maybe it's just for the thrill of throttling over the cliff.
 
2012-05-04 06:58:31 PM  

Halli: Dr. Mojo PhD: ^Actual quote from the Unabomber's Manifesto by Ted Kaczinski

Heh it's always funny to see people rant about the Unabomber being a hardcore liberal when so much of his manifesto is dedicated to railing against the libs and the leftists.


you have yet to post one intelligent bit of information in this entire thread.
 
2012-05-04 06:59:09 PM  

chuckufarlie: last polar bear slips into the ice? How does anything slip INTO the ice?


LOL, I know right? I screwed the pooch on that one.

How about when the last tree is felled?
Isn't that a quote from someone somewhere?
 
2012-05-04 07:00:25 PM  

chuckufarlie: The rest of your post is just "the sky is falling" bullshiat.


I told you, I'm not playing with you any more. I came in late, didn't realize you were purposefully trolling, but I get it now. Funny stuff!
 
2012-05-04 07:01:05 PM  

smeegle: chuckufarlie: last polar bear slips into the ice? How does anything slip INTO the ice?

LOL, I know right? I screwed the pooch on that one.

How about when the last tree is felled?
Isn't that a quote from someone somewhere?


the trees and the polar bears are going to be just fine. The warmers have made lots of predictions over the years and not one of them has come to pass. How could they when the temperature increase has been so small?
 
2012-05-04 07:01:17 PM  

chuckufarlie: Halli: Dr. Mojo PhD: ^Actual quote from the Unabomber's Manifesto by Ted Kaczinski

Heh it's always funny to see people rant about the Unabomber being a hardcore liberal when so much of his manifesto is dedicated to railing against the libs and the leftists.

you have yet to post one intelligent bit of information in this entire thread.


The fark. Are you actually trying to tell me that wasn't in his manifesto?

Dr. Mojo even posted the relevant parts. Try again nicksteel.
 
2012-05-04 07:01:45 PM  

chuckufarlie: Polar bears spend lots of time in the ocean. Turns out that they can swim. Who Knew?


More of them are dying from exhaustion because they are swimming too much trying to find ice to rest on.
 
2012-05-04 07:02:03 PM  

gulogulo: chuckufarlie: The rest of your post is just "the sky is falling" bullshiat.

I told you, I'm not playing with you any more. I came in late, didn't realize you were purposefully trolling, but I get it now. Funny stuff!


really? You make all sorts of outlandish and ignorant statements and you call me a troll?
 
2012-05-04 07:02:45 PM  

intelligent comment below: chuckufarlie: Polar bears spend lots of time in the ocean. Turns out that they can swim. Who Knew?

More of them are dying from exhaustion because they are swimming too much trying to find ice to rest on.


turns out that the people who study polar bears have not found this to be true.
 
2012-05-04 07:04:02 PM  

chuckufarlie: you have yet to post one intelligent bit of information in this entire thread.


You're projecting again soldier. Now go to the chow hall and eat dinner, soldier. You can't get your Ph.D. in bullshiat on an empty stomach.
 
2012-05-04 07:04:15 PM  

Halli: chuckufarlie: Halli: Dr. Mojo PhD: ^Actual quote from the Unabomber's Manifesto by Ted Kaczinski

Heh it's always funny to see people rant about the Unabomber being a hardcore liberal when so much of his manifesto is dedicated to railing against the libs and the leftists.

you have yet to post one intelligent bit of information in this entire thread.

The fark. Are you actually trying to tell me that wasn't in his manifesto?

Dr. Mojo even posted the relevant parts. Try again nicksteel.


This is not about the unabomber, it is about you posting no facts on AGW.
 
2012-05-04 07:04:22 PM  

chuckufarlie: Halli: Dr. Mojo PhD: ^Actual quote from the Unabomber's Manifesto by Ted Kaczinski

Heh it's always funny to see people rant about the Unabomber being a hardcore liberal when so much of his manifesto is dedicated to railing against the libs and the leftists.

you have yet to post one intelligent bit of information in this entire thread.


And yet his observation one the Unabomber is backed up by direct citations -- something you compare to "babying" somebody when you're called on to do it yourself.

Hey degenerate human filth, can you explain why when somebody else makes an offhand comment, your reply is this:

chuckufarlie: Can you prove that?


But when your subhuman waste of life ass gets called on the same thing, you throw a temper tantrum (one that ironically involves comparing others to babies, though that's par for the course for such blatant hypocrisy):

chuckufarlie: gulogulo: chuckufarlie: My "assertion" is directly from the IPCC report. The data was complied by the CRU.

That's a rather large report. Can you cite the section and page number?

do you want me to come tuck you in? Grow up, asshole. Take some responsibility.


Can you explain that, you anthropomorphic pile of cowshiat? Can you explain this apparent discrepancy in what you expect from others and what you yourself are willing to do? Or, like all worthless human beings who took the tabula rasa of their birth and spent it on making themselves petty shiat-lords ruling over an imaginary kingdom of piss and mire, will we find that every utterance of yours is a reinforcement of the concept of post-natal abortions?
 
2012-05-04 07:04:30 PM  
Another troll thread starring chuckufarlie. How novel.
 
2012-05-04 07:04:47 PM  

gulogulo: smeegle: gulogulo: All of these are really incontrovertible at this point, and are, in part, man-made issues. These are the things that we need to be focusing on.

Thank you for your succinct outline of the scientific facts. Indisputable. Keep up the argument because this little sparky (EL EG) can't knowledgeably articulate what I know what in my gut is true. When the last Polar bear slips into the ice, even then, the nay sayers will turn their pointy little political noses away. And that burns me to the core.

Thank you. It's interesting, too, that all that I outlined should be things that people as a species should be keenly interested in. This isn't about some kind of esoteric "save the world" ideal. The world is fine. Nature isn't fragile. It's robust, and will go on long after we are gone.

What is fragile are the systems upon human's depend. We are pushing ourselves to critical limits. It's a headscratcher why we arguing about this, any more. Maybe it's just for the thrill of throttling over the cliff.


The maddening part is that many people are not keenly interested in having a species. Intelligence is definitely a double edged sword, it can elevate, but you can choose just as easily to destroy yourselves. Denialist are actively choosing the latter.
 
2012-05-04 07:05:13 PM  

intelligent comment below: chuckufarlie: you have yet to post one intelligent bit of information in this entire thread.

You're projecting again soldier. Now go to the chow hall and eat dinner, soldier. You can't get your Ph.D. in bullshiat on an empty stomach.


I guess you missed the multiple posts concerning the actual temperature increase and that CO2 increases have always followed temperature increases.
 
2012-05-04 07:05:22 PM  

chuckufarlie: turns out that the people who study polar bears have not found this to be true.


Citation?
 
2012-05-04 07:06:31 PM  

chuckufarlie: Halli: chuckufarlie: Halli: Dr. Mojo PhD: ^Actual quote from the Unabomber's Manifesto by Ted Kaczinski

Heh it's always funny to see people rant about the Unabomber being a hardcore liberal when so much of his manifesto is dedicated to railing against the libs and the leftists.

you have yet to post one intelligent bit of information in this entire thread.

The fark. Are you actually trying to tell me that wasn't in his manifesto?

Dr. Mojo even posted the relevant parts. Try again nicksteel.

This is not about the unabomber, it is about you posting no facts on AGW.


Heh sure it is. Try again nicksteel.
 
2012-05-04 07:07:34 PM  

chuckufarlie: you call me a troll?


That's the size of it, yep. But you hooked me, so bravo.

If anyone else is actually interested, and I've posted them before, I've scores of published peer-reviewed papers where you can read the science on the incontrovertible issues I previously mentioned. It'll take me a while to collect links, so check back later.
 
2012-05-04 07:07:36 PM  

chuckufarlie:

I guess you missed the multiple posts concerning the actual temperature increase and that CO2 increases have always followed temperature increases.


Still waiting for that page number on the research article. It does exist, right?
 
2012-05-04 07:09:42 PM  

intelligent comment below: chuckufarlie: turns out that the people who study polar bears have not found this to be true.

Citation?


google it.
 
2012-05-04 07:09:53 PM  

gulogulo: What is fragile are the systems upon human's depend. We are pushing ourselves to critical limits. It's a headscratcher why we arguing about this, any more. Maybe it's just for the thrill of throttling over the cliff.


Critical mass is upon us.
We are in part, manipulated to argue about this. Money is the great motivator of things and not all of those things are good. I am not surprised that this issue isn't forefront in the minds of the general public. Marx said that religion was the opiate of society. Now the opiate of society is Consumerism. Spend and consume. This leaves shiat. Shiat in the oceans. Shiat in the air, shiat every where. If people can't see that then they are zombies.

What a portent.
 
2012-05-04 07:09:54 PM  

lockers: The maddening part is that many people are not keenly interested in having a species. Intelligence is definitely a double edged sword, it can elevate, but you can choose just as easily to destroy yourselves. Denialist are actively choosing the latter.


I suppose if you believe in a heaven then it's just hastening everyone on their way. But, as I recall from my Sunday school wasn't man supposed to be a good steward of the earth as decreed by God? I'm a bit out of practice, so I could totally be making that shiat up.
 
2012-05-04 07:10:11 PM  

Dr. Mojo PhD: Can you explain that, you anthropomorphic pile of cowshiat?


Can you prove the assertion I've bolded here? Some of the finest experts, people who have published articles on the subject, agree that he actually more closely resembles a slime mold.
 
2012-05-04 07:11:16 PM  

chuckufarlie: google it.


Aww I was hoping you would do the work yourself.

You mean like this?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/28/arctic-scientist-polar-be a r-oil

In 2010 the Obama administration began an investigation into his work. The scientist was suspended with pay on 18 July. He is said to be under a gagging order and forbidden from communicating with his colleagues. The employee group's complaint alleges that the investigation is a thinly veiled attempt to disrupt scientific work on the Arctic.
 
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