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2012-05-04 06:44:34 PM

gimmegimme: Dr Dreidel: How is this any different from that yambag a few months ago talking about a farcical amendment to ban masturbation (might also have been in MO) "taking away the rights of men"?

Or any of a hundred other TDS interviews?

They just [don't | won't] get it, and for me, the joke grows stale.

// "Mom, Dad, I'm feeling ennui!"
// "You should have peace with the absurdity of human existence before we left the house, son."

Here's the problem: it's not a joke.

This lunatic and that anti-rubbing-one-out lady are ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE DIRECT INFLUENCE OVER THE GOVERNMENT.


There's that other Missouri lovely who thinks children should go hungry because "hunger is such a great motivator."

Have I died and gone to hell?

Or is this just Missouri?
 
2012-05-04 06:44:49 PM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: So... has getting fired for being a gun owner been a big problem in Missouri?


Why wait for it to be an problem? The Republicans area just being pro-active here.
 
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2012-05-04 06:48:42 PM

meat0918: Um. It is illegal to fire someone for being a Christian.


My God! I've been breaking the law for decades!
 
2012-05-04 06:49:03 PM

TNel: Wow that lady has no idea what she is doing and yet she is getting paid to not know anything. Amazing... how do I get this kind of job.


like most politicians she mindlessly votes how the party tells her to vote.
 
2012-05-04 06:50:58 PM

mjohnson71: verbaltoxin: I told you rural Missouri's derp was a special kind all its own.

Fixed that for you.

I really wish Kansas City and St. Louis could secede from the stupidity that is Missouri. Somehow our state constitution and political landscape is set up so the two big cities can be bullied by the much smaller populated rural vote.


More or less.

Seems like the Missouri Legislature's mission when they're not wasting time with this kind of crap is trying the best they can to screw St. Louis and KC over.
 
2012-05-04 06:51:52 PM
What?

How does not being fired for owning a gun equate with not being fired for being gay? They aren't even close to the same thing.
 
2012-05-04 06:52:03 PM

bugontherug: gimmegimme: Dr Dreidel: How is this any different from that yambag a few months ago talking about a farcical amendment to ban masturbation (might also have been in MO) "taking away the rights of men"?

Or any of a hundred other TDS interviews?

They just [don't | won't] get it, and for me, the joke grows stale.

// "Mom, Dad, I'm feeling ennui!"
// "You should have peace with the absurdity of human existence before we left the house, son."

Here's the problem: it's not a joke.

This lunatic and that anti-rubbing-one-out lady are ELECTED OFFICIALS WHO HAVE DIRECT INFLUENCE OVER THE GOVERNMENT.

There's that other Missouri lovely who thinks children should go hungry because "hunger is such a great motivator."

Have I died and gone to hell?

Or is this just Missouri?


Now I can see why Mark Twain got the hell out of this state when he did.
 
2012-05-04 06:54:35 PM

Serious Black: "Like a second condom"

Oh God, I can't stop laughing.


actually it's like wearing 2 condoms while masturbating. because there's no chance of getting pregnant std/ fired for gun owning.
 
2012-05-04 06:55:40 PM

kukukupo: What?

How does not being fired for owning a gun equate with not being fired for being gay? They aren't even close to the same thing.


Hoo boy. We found her a soul-mate here guys.
 
2012-05-04 07:04:43 PM

NFA: meat0918: Um. It is illegal to fire someone for being a Christian.

My God! I've been breaking the law for decades!


Yes, you have.

"Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended, protects applicants and employees from discrimination in hiring, promotion, discharge, pay, fringe benefits, job training, classification, referral, and other aspects of employment, on the basis of race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), or national origin. Religious discrimination includes failing to reasonably accommodate an employee's religious practices where the accommodation does not impose undue hardship." The more you know
 
2012-05-04 07:07:43 PM

mjohnson71: verbaltoxin: I told you rural Missouri's derp was a special kind all its own.

Fixed that for you.

I really wish Kansas City and St. Louis could secede from the stupidity that is Missouri. Somehow our state constitution and political landscape is set up so the two big cities can be bullied by the much smaller populated rural vote.


Can't we just take out the whole I-70 corridor? Columbia's pretty awesome.
 
2012-05-04 07:09:31 PM

kukukupo: How does not being fired for owning a gun equate with not being fired for being gay? They aren't even close to the same thing.


Maybe because they're both incredibly stupid reasons to fire someone?
 
2012-05-04 07:09:38 PM

meat0918: NFA: meat0918: Um. It is illegal to fire someone for being a Christian.

My God! I've been breaking the law for decades!

Yes, you have.

"Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended, protects applicants and employees from discrimination in hiring, promotion, discharge, pay, fringe benefits, job training, classification, referral, and other aspects of employment, on the basis of race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), or national origin. Religious discrimination includes failing to reasonably accommodate an employee's religious practices where the accommodation does not impose undue hardship." The more you know


About the third time I hear "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior and lord?" in a staff meeting, I'm firing the asshole. I'll deal with the courts.
 
2012-05-04 07:10:11 PM

bugontherug: Have I died and gone to hell?

Or is this just Missouri?



President Romney says it was the Garden of Eden.
 
2012-05-04 07:13:26 PM

kukukupo: What?

How does not being fired for owning a gun equate with not being fired for being gay? They aren't even close to the same thing.


They're both parts of your life that have nothing to do with your ability to perform your job competently.
 
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2012-05-04 07:14:10 PM
God didn't create gun owners, they're gun owners by choice. They're probably just owning guns to get attention, impress their friends or piss off their parents. I've heard sordid stories about gun owners doing horrible things in the woods dressed in weird costumes. I've heard about large groups of gun owners getting together and fondling their firearms, their depraved behavior is so blatant they call them "Shows"! I've heard stories claiming gun owners are posting video's online of their disgusting behaviors and there is a multi-billion dollar industry supporting these godless activities. They sit at home watching sickening videos while massaging oil on the long hard barrel shafts of their firearms in a disgusting display of depravity. Christ said to beat your swords (weapons of the day) into plowshares so clearly he was anti-gun, proving gun owners are an abomination in the eyes of the lord.
 
2012-05-04 07:15:23 PM

Car_Ramrod: kukukupo: What?

How does not being fired for owning a gun equate with not being fired for being gay? They aren't even close to the same thing.

They're both parts of your life that have nothing to do with your ability to perform your job competently.


wrong, they are different as can be, you are born a gun owner, homosexuality is by choice

//wait may have that confused
 
2012-05-04 07:16:21 PM

intelligent comment below: bugontherug: Have I died and gone to hell?

Or is this just Missouri?


President Romney says it was the Garden of Eden.


Hey! It's bigoted to point out how crazy Bishop Romney and his space cult are.
 
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2012-05-04 07:16:36 PM

meat0918: Yes, you have.

"Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended, protects applicants and employees from discrimination in hiring, promotion, discharge, pay, fringe benefits, job training, classification, referral, and other aspects of employment, on the basis of race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), or national origin. Religious discrimination includes failing to reasonably accommodate an employee's religious practices where the accommodation does not impose undue hardship." The more you know


Well it's an established tradition, so it would be wrong to stop now...
 
2012-05-04 07:18:21 PM

rohar: meat0918: NFA: meat0918: Um. It is illegal to fire someone for being a Christian.

My God! I've been breaking the law for decades!

Yes, you have.

"Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, as amended, protects applicants and employees from discrimination in hiring, promotion, discharge, pay, fringe benefits, job training, classification, referral, and other aspects of employment, on the basis of race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), or national origin. Religious discrimination includes failing to reasonably accommodate an employee's religious practices where the accommodation does not impose undue hardship." The more you know

About the third time I hear "Have you accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior and lord?" in a staff meeting, I'm firing the asshole. I'll deal with the courts.


Yeah, I have to agree. The employee is there to work, not proselytize.

I'm sure that "wasting company time" is sufficiently vague to avoid prosecution though.
 
2012-05-04 07:19:06 PM

sabreWulf07: So Republicans are attacking my right to fire my employees for any reason at all, or no reason? Last I checked Missouri was an "at-will" employment state, and I'll be damned if I'll let another business-destroying big government regulation be passed by an out-of-control Republican legislature. Why do Republicans in Missouri hate job creators?


I was going to say... So Republicans AREN'T in favor of "at-will" firing?
 
2012-05-04 07:24:21 PM

Satanic_Hamster: sabreWulf07: So Republicans are attacking my right to fire my employees for any reason at all, or no reason? Last I checked Missouri was an "at-will" employment state, and I'll be damned if I'll let another business-destroying big government regulation be passed by an out-of-control Republican legislature. Why do Republicans in Missouri hate job creators?

I was going to say... So Republicans AREN'T in favor of "at-will" firing?


that depends on who will is farking
 
2012-05-04 07:25:10 PM

meat0918: I'm sure that "wasting company time" is sufficiently vague to avoid prosecution though.


Double bonus: that's the actual reason you're firing them, not the fact that the nature of the time-wasting was religious. So it's more honest too, assuming you'd also fire them if they were hijacking meetings to discuss their last D&D session in great detail or something.
 
2012-05-04 07:31:27 PM

Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: LarryDan43: the next in line is to make it illegal to fire someone for being Christian.

Don't give them any ideas.

My State has wasted enough time on bullshiat like this.

/Can I stop being ashamed of my state yet?

No, especially not after they voted to nullify all laws that do not adhere to an originalist interpretation of the Constitution and also voted to charge anybody who tries to implement ObamaCares with a class A misdemeanor.

Oh like you have room to brag.

You live in Kansas!

/'nough said
//not too serious

Yeah, we both live in thoroughly embarrassing states.


Well I live in Oklahoma which would have its own tag if Florida didn't exist.
 
2012-05-04 07:34:17 PM

Jim_Callahan: meat0918: I'm sure that "wasting company time" is sufficiently vague to avoid prosecution though.

Double bonus: that's the actual reason you're firing them, not the fact that the nature of the time-wasting was religious. So it's more honest too, assuming you'd also fire them if they were hijacking meetings to discuss their last D&D session in great detail or something.


Yes. Yes I would.

I don't really care if the gnomish cow milking machine your friend's character though was a glory hole was causing him fatigue damage until he passed out, and wouldn't stop until it was filled with the typical amount of fluid milking a cow would render.

Yes this is an actual discussion heard at work, regarding how my boss's DM dealt with an overly obnoxiously played sexual deviant Kender.

But as I said, that was the boss relaying the story and it was only BK. No customers overheard, and all the people involved were cleaning up after close, not just standing around chit-chatting.
 
2012-05-04 07:36:15 PM

bugontherug: Under Wisconsin law, it is now perfectly legal to pay a woman less money than a man for doing the same work for no other reason than that she's a woman.


Wait, what?!?! When did this happen?
 
2012-05-04 07:40:22 PM

meat0918: I don't really care if the gnomish cow milking machine your friend's character though was a glory hole was causing him fatigue damage until he passed out, and wouldn't stop until it was filled with the typical amount of fluid milking a cow would render.

Yes this is an actual discussion heard at work, regarding how my boss's DM dealt with an overly obnoxiously played sexual deviant Kender.


...

Um...

Wow.

And I thought my friends had farked up D&D sessions.
 
2012-05-04 07:47:25 PM

Phoenix87ta: bugontherug: Under Wisconsin law, it is now perfectly legal to pay a woman less money than a man for doing the same work for no other reason than that she's a woman.

Wait, what?!?! When did this happen?


I dunno. 3-4 weeks ago or so Governor Walker signed the repeal bill into law. He called it a "job killing regulation" or something.

If the world made sense, it would ensure his defeat in the coming recall, as women voters turn against him en masse. But my understanding is the election is still close.

Link
 
2012-05-04 07:48:56 PM

Vegemite: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: LarryDan43: the next in line is to make it illegal to fire someone for being Christian.

Don't give them any ideas.

My State has wasted enough time on bullshiat like this.

/Can I stop being ashamed of my state yet?

No, especially not after they voted to nullify all laws that do not adhere to an originalist interpretation of the Constitution and also voted to charge anybody who tries to implement ObamaCares with a class A misdemeanor.

Oh like you have room to brag.

You live in Kansas!

/'nough said
//not too serious

Yeah, we both live in thoroughly embarrassing states.

Well I live in Oklahoma which would have its own tag if Florida didn't exist.


I think Fark just needs a BSABSVR tag to cover these kinds of pants-on-head stupid things that state legislatures do.
 
2012-05-04 08:02:54 PM

Serious Black: Vegemite: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: Serious Black: Mrtraveler01: LarryDan43: the next in line is to make it illegal to fire someone for being Christian.

Don't give them any ideas.

My State has wasted enough time on bullshiat like this.

/Can I stop being ashamed of my state yet?

No, especially not after they voted to nullify all laws that do not adhere to an originalist interpretation of the Constitution and also voted to charge anybody who tries to implement ObamaCares with a class A misdemeanor.

Oh like you have room to brag.

You live in Kansas!

/'nough said
//not too serious

Yeah, we both live in thoroughly embarrassing states.

Well I live in Oklahoma which would have its own tag if Florida didn't exist.

I think Fark just needs a BSABSVR tag to cover these kinds of pants-on-head stupid things that state legislatures do.


Agreed.
 
2012-05-04 08:24:56 PM

bugontherug: jcooli09: bugontherug: LarryDan43:
the next in line is to make it illegal to fire someone for being Christian.

It is already illegal under federal and Missouri law to fire someone for being a Christian.

Yep, but it doesn't stop me from refusing to hire anyone who mentions their faith during an interview.

It might if Fark posts like these can be traced back to your real world identity.


You might have a problem if I can show that I've discriminated against every religious view.
 
2012-05-04 08:31:41 PM

jcooli09: bugontherug: jcooli09: bugontherug: LarryDan43:
the next in line is to make it illegal to fire someone for being Christian.

It is already illegal under federal and Missouri law to fire someone for being a Christian.

Yep, but it doesn't stop me from refusing to hire anyone who mentions their faith during an interview.

It might if Fark posts like these can be traced back to your real world identity.

You might have a problem if I can show that I've discriminated against every religious view.


I support your right not to hire people who believe in invisible sky wizards. I would also advocate mandatory psychopharmaceutical management and intense therapy to deal with the delusions.
 
2012-05-04 08:32:09 PM
i.imgur.com

Fark you.

And fark every person who links to a clip from this show, because I remember how awesome it was.
 
2012-05-04 08:34:37 PM

kingoomieiii:
Republicans want to make gun owners a protected class.


Even gun owners that are Democrats?
 
2012-05-04 08:40:47 PM

impaler: It seems people that have her facial poster - blank stair, mouth slightly open, are always complete idiots.


I would agree, I call people that have that look mouth breathers and generally avoid them as it's just to frustrating talking to them.
 
2012-05-04 09:00:21 PM
Next: illegal for voters to fire politicians for being Republican.
 
2012-05-04 09:15:57 PM

JerseyTim: I think she honestly didn't get the concept of it not being illegal.


Exactly. Here is a lawmaker who understands not the concept of "law". Or the practical effects of the enactment "a law." Or the relationship to courts to "laws."
 
2012-05-04 09:22:24 PM

gimmegimme: Hey! It's bigoted to point out how crazy Bishop Romney and his space cult are.



I wonder if the Garden of Eden is really the home of Satan. Santorum claimed Satan was in America, maybe he had a small farm in Missouri?
 
2012-05-04 09:59:47 PM

bugontherug: Note:

Under Wisconsin law, it is now perfectly legal to pay a woman less money than a man for doing the same work for no other reason than that she's a woman.

This is the world the Republicans want for us: where you can subjugate someone for their sex, sexual orientation, or non-Christian faith. But where firearms ownership discrimination is perfectly legal.


No, that isn't what the repeal bill does. (Nor could it, he can't contradict the federal Equal Pay Act). It only means that individuals with a discrimination claim will have to plead their cases in federal court instead of state circuit court.

It's not a good bill, but it's nothing like what you're fearing. The headlines (deliberately, surely) are written to make it sound much worse than it is.
 
2012-05-04 10:02:22 PM

terriblist: JerseyTim: I think she honestly didn't get the concept of it not being illegal.

Exactly. Here is a lawmaker who understands not the concept of "law". Or the practical effects of the enactment "a law." Or the relationship to courts to "laws."


She actually believes conservative agitprop that courts just do whatever the judge feels like doing.
 
2012-05-04 10:25:40 PM
I just don't get how people who are that level of stupid get elected in the first place. I guess people really will vote for someone as long as they've got the (R) after their name, no matter how idiotic they are.
 
2012-05-04 10:35:10 PM

Lunchlady: Best segment in a long long time.


I'd agree with you, except that the farking site WON'T FARKING LOAD!

/I hate tds's website
 
2012-05-04 10:38:34 PM

Skyrmion: bugontherug: Note:

Under Wisconsin law, it is now perfectly legal to pay a woman less money than a man for doing the same work for no other reason than that she's a woman.

This is the world the Republicans want for us: where you can subjugate someone for their sex, sexual orientation, or non-Christian faith. But where firearms ownership discrimination is perfectly legal.

No, that isn't what the repeal bill does. (Nor could it, he can't contradict the federal Equal Pay Act). It only means that individuals with a discrimination claim will have to plead their cases in federal court instead of state circuit court.

It's not a good bill, but it's nothing like what you're fearing. The headlines (deliberately, surely) are written to make it sound much worse than it is.


My headline was carefully written to be accurate. Under Wisconsin law, pay discrimination is now perfectly legal. That's a fact. However, pay discrimination in Wisconsin that affects interstate commerce is still illegal under federal law.

There are a lot of reasons to prefer state court to federal court. It is cheaper. It is usually more plaintiff friendly. It is usually more physically accessible, because the plaintiff will not have to travel to the city seating a federal court to press her claim. And, the federal bench is now absolutely dominated with conservative judicial activists who do everything they can to bias claims against non-corporate plaintiffs, look for petty excuses to throw valid claims out of court, and who if a non-corporate plaintiff does win damages, reduces them on appeal.

Under Wisconsin law, pay discrimination is now perfectly legal. Even under federal law, many victims of pay discrimination will now be denied relief because of the increasingly anti-plaintiff ideological rigidity of federal courts. Remember: we're talking about a Supreme Court that effectively banned almost all federal pay discrimination lawsuits by imposing a preposterously non-textual burden on plaintiffs to file within six months of the first act of discrimination.
 
2012-05-04 11:02:32 PM

rynthetyn: I just don't get how people who are that level of stupid get elected in the first place. I guess people really will vote for someone as long as they've got the (R) after their name, no matter how idiotic they are.


Because they run in a state full of provincial yokels. The yokels don't want some fancy-pants educated intellectual running things. They want someone like them. Because they think that someone like them will more accurately reflect their values and opinions. Which is generally true.

So they keep electing idiots. Because they're idiots and they're scared and they want someone like them representing them. It makes perfect sense from a representative democratic point-of-view.
 
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2012-05-04 11:41:54 PM
punistation:

Firefox + Modify Header = problem solved.
 
2012-05-05 12:13:17 AM
I've met this lady a couple times. Testified before her once. It really isn't an act. I was working with GOP sponsors on a bill she didn't like (albeit did not entirely understand but that didn't matter)...she wasn't much nicer to fellow GOP elected reps.

The loony rural folks who 20 years ago were on the verge of forming militias and daring the ATF to come get 'em now kind of run things here, under the Tea Party banner.

There are quite a few Missouri Republicans who don't quite know what to do about them. With term limits, no particular politician has much leverage. And these folks are loud'n'proud with their Fox Noise rhetoric which gets read meat bigots to the polls, and they know they don't have to bow to the senior party members any more.
 
2012-05-05 12:37:48 AM
Okay, and exactly how does this jibe with Republican ideals of business owners. . .ERR job creators tm being always right?


P.S exactly how stupid are Republicans when they let themselves get pwned on TV by Jon Stewart and the Colbert Show on a regular basis?
 
2012-05-05 01:33:30 AM
You know, instead of fifty million special interest bills, how about we simplify?

"If you're fired for anything other than screwing up your job. Your employer is a dick and owes you money."

Then we can couple it to another one...

"If you *aren't* fired for screwing up a job so bad you crash a company or have to cut entire, completely innocent, departments to stay solvent. And *especially* if you get paid a bonus after doing all this. You *and* your board are dicks, and owe the rest of the employees money."

/I'm never going to make it in politics am I?
 
2012-05-05 01:36:01 AM
You gotta have some reason to fire someone, as obviously we're not firing people who suck at their job. If we did, unemployment would be at 87%. So we need to make up random reasons to fire people. It's science.
 
2012-05-05 02:06:58 AM
She didn't remember voting on the bill because she just got a list of how she was supposed to vote for each bill and could read.

She got elected because she's "just like us", I'd wager. But someone is pulling the strings if a Republican senator can't come up with a stock answer for voting against gay rights.
 
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