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2012-05-04 05:11:54 PM
Does anyone else think that it is pretty cool that there are now more straight people in favor of same-sex marriage than there are gay people in favor of it?
 
2012-05-04 05:12:41 PM
I understand the point of gay bars. Believe me.

bobbette: I'd also suggest that instead of saying "I'm into chicks" (which I'm not surprised to hear was your response) you say "Oh, I'm here with a friend".


The situation certainly dictates what I say. I've said, "I dig chicks", and never once has that prompted a negative reply. I've only encountered the breeder thing in more conversational settings (like at late night diner). Not after saying "i like girls". I like girls. What's wrong with that? I'm pretty sure I know when I'm in a gay bar and it's easiest to just say, "thanks, but i like girls". I do say thanks. I do, it's a compliment in a way, yes? (though as i mentioned as have others that sometimes it's not enough for some guys) It's not like I walked by a giant building with A rainbow colored sign called, get this, "The Rainbow Lounge" on accident.

I have more than a couple gay people I consider good friends. I've also lost 2 friends (well, i though they were) b/c i wouldn't have any sort of physical/romantic relationship with them. I was pretty angry (not like fighting angry, disappointed angry) about that. it did, however, teach me a good lesson.
 
2012-05-04 05:18:11 PM

DirkValentine: I've only encountered the breeder thing in more conversational settings (like at late night diner).


Funny, because just a few posts ago you said this: "It totally negates the, oh, i don't know, more than at least 10 times it's been used in a derogatory manner towards me when I've been in gay bars. And I'm usually there with at least 1 gay friend. We all mix and mingle in different spots so I'm in gay bars on many occasions."

Thanks for confirming that was BS.
 
2012-05-04 05:23:24 PM
Funny story: The only people I've ever heard use the term "breeder" are my straight friends who swear they'll never have kids. To me it's a term for people who want kids, which includes gay couples looking to adopt.
 
2012-05-04 05:35:53 PM

Fuggin Bizzy: bobbette: I'm offended that you think the word "breeder" is bigotry. Bigotry is a great deal more serious.

"It's not bigotry when we do it."


On the contrary, there is a ton of bigotry in the LGBTQ community. It's mostly directed against trans people and bisexuals and visible minorities. And against religious people, although I think that problem can be chalked up to a lot of self-identified atheists who happen to be gay, rather than a feature of LGBTQ people in general. I hate this sh*t.

If you are seriously making a claim that there's pervasive anti-straight bigotry I'm just going to laugh and laugh over here. What the actual fark.
 
2012-05-04 05:40:30 PM

Mavent: Elandriel: mauricecano: breeder

When I am thinking about ways to promote equality and goodwill, and equal treatment under the law, I achieve this result by employing epithets about the people who live differently than me. That definitely won't provoke a passive-aggressive reaction and set the dialogue back.

If you're insulted by the word "breeder", you need to have your head examined. Personally, I've always felt that the main advantage of being a straight white male in America is that there's no way for anyone to insult you unless you are, in fact, exactly the what they're accusing you of being. If someone called me a "cracker", I'd just laugh, because it's such a stupid-sounding insult. If they called me a redneck, I'd just be befuddled, because I'm obviously more of a tech geek, and only an idiot could confuse the two. As for "breeder", well, yes. I have bred. I don't really consider it an insult. And frankly, given the level of overpopulation in the world, maybe people SHOULD be reminded to think before they breed.


When you break an argument like gay vs. straight down all the way to idealogical roots, it ends up being breeders vs. non-breeders {i}precisely because{/i} the breeders framed the argument in this fashion.

A family is made of 2 opposite sex humans for the purpose of procreation, they say. Breeding. We can have a baby, and a penis only fits in a vagina. That's the argument- that the institution of marriage is only for those making mini-me-s. Get a clue, Adam and Steve!


So, while it may sound animalistic and therefore, offensive, a breeder is what you are. (Nothing says more about some humans' mindset than getting offended by taking your biological place in line as an insult- "I'm so much more than just a mere 'animal'!")

I bred two of me, and I take my job in raising them seriously. I'm even so traditionalist I made wife and mother my career. But men marrying men or women marrying women is not going to fundamentally change anything about the vows I took and the legal agreement I entered into with my man.
In fact, equality for all people in my home nation is what we, still striving for, should be proud of as Americans.

As a matter of course, it will only improve my life in my community. Sadness and secrecy will no longer be issues for same sex couples or those individuals that are not heterosexual. Instead, they can be free to love each other, and then bring that love out into the light so that more can see love is more powerful than any man-made law.
Loving, happy homes contribute to loving, happy communities- the love flows outward, and by releasing ourselves from the stigma of labels and exclusion, all can contribute to the love pool, so to speak.

And all that is left in it's wake is hate, which will eventually be overwhelmed, corrected by, or transferred into love.

And please stop trying to put the onus on the discriminated-against; if you were just a nicer gay, people might accept you. If you would just not be so flamboyant, people would take your cause more seriously! If you just weren't gay, then it would all be ok. The incorrect behavior is your own. Anything that goes against love is the wrong answer.
 
2012-05-04 05:42:39 PM

bobbette: DirkValentine: I am, however, offended by bigotry.

I'm offended that you think the word "breeder" is bigotry. Bigotry is a great deal more serious. When there's a national organization to ban straight marriage or people getting killed by unhinged gays outside of strip clubs, we can start talking bigotry. LGBTQ people love straight people. My own mother is straight people, and a breeder, thank goodness, because otherwise I wouldn't be here.


If the person is using a word uses it in a condescending manner with the intent of being derogatory, they are being bigoted. Context is the key.
 
2012-05-04 05:45:52 PM
Breeder, you're nothing but a breeder, then you put your hands in your head and say "Oh No."
 
2012-05-04 05:46:37 PM
My 16 year old doesn't even comprehend why anyone cares. He really is stymied by it. "Wait... what? People really care what other people do in private? I don't understand?"
Probably because he doesn't go to brainwashing camp every Sunday.
 
2012-05-04 06:03:31 PM

bobbette: DirkValentine: I've only encountered the breeder thing in more conversational settings (like at late night diner).

Funny, because just a few posts ago you said this: "It totally negates the, oh, i don't know, more than at least 10 times it's been used in a derogatory manner towards me when I've been in gay bars. And I'm usually there with at least 1 gay friend. We all mix and mingle in different spots so I'm in gay bars on many occasions."

Thanks for confirming that was BS.



Oh, can a bar not be a conversational setting? Jesus, what the fark is your hang up and thinking i'm full of shiat? What POSSIBLE reason could i have to sit here and type all this stuff if I wasn't trying to have an honest discussion.

i love how you think you know who I am or how I act or what I think and continue to insult me b/c I don't enjoy being treated rudely.
 
2012-05-04 06:28:46 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Probably because he doesn't go to brainwashing camp every Sunday.


I concur with your assessment as I was kicked out of Sunday school for "being disruptive" (asking questions) so I got to forgo the initial BW phase. Just never took after that.
 
2012-05-04 06:30:38 PM

PickledBoodah: deeyablo:

/Please reference Doug Stanhope's bit about telling a couple of vertically challenged people a "midget joke" when he was in Alaska. Lighten up, Francis.
//Francis is a slur.

So you have no problem saying to a friend at a bar in a loud voice - "Hey, look at the dwarf." I think that's rude. Doesn't mean he/she isn't a dwarf.


Would I do that? No. Then again, going back to the whole cripple thing, there is still a difference there. To refer to a member of the straight population as "breeder" is not derogatory, is not pointing out a handicap, is not slanderous (again, unless you are talking about the very specific breeding practices of a person or couple). For example, if my girlfriend got pregnant by someone else, and I started calling her breeder, maybe that is an attack. If I saw octamom on the street, and called her a breeder, maybe then. But in the context of some random gay person calling me a breeder? Not insulting.

Pointing out someones handicap is rude, especially considering they likely already feel entirely too selfconscious of that fact. Breeder as a term for straight people is not pointing out a deficiency any more than me calling people who don't require glasses "20/20." Now, be aware, I am not saying that being gay is a handicap or a deficiency. This is in the context of discussing whether or not breeder is a slur. SO, yes, "20/20."

"Hey there, 20/20, why don't you go on with that not squinting while you read thing you do. Have fun not tripping over that thing that you obvious see, you SEE-ER! That's right, you heard me! Probably saw me too. I bet if I was behind glass you could read my lips! What a jerk."

Unfortunately, a lot of people see being gay as a handicap, and there are a whole slew of hateful words used by hateful people to describe them. What I like about Breeder? I don't feel the hate. It just does not fit the definition of the word "slur."

Carry on. I bet you are reading this with a normal font size, you non-squinting mortherfarker.
 
2012-05-04 07:07:55 PM
I thought most interesting points that the article made (indirectly) were that

1. "marriage" is a social construct
2. what we believe to be "right" or "wrong" has changed over the centuries
3. 'the man-woman, not cousins' rule was imposed by a religious organization
4. we no longer believe that religious groups should make the rules
 
2012-05-04 07:15:04 PM

colon_pow: i think i'm halfway there. i saw some tranny porn and started to become aroused.tmi?


I'm starting to think yr handle is actually an instruction (or a request?)

i46.tinypic.com

(with apologies to roy lichtenstein)
 
2012-05-04 07:41:04 PM

deeyablo: PickledBoodah: deeyablo:

/Please reference Doug Stanhope's bit about telling a couple of vertically challenged people a "midget joke" when he was in Alaska. Lighten up, Francis.
//Francis is a slur.

So you have no problem saying to a friend at a bar in a loud voice - "Hey, look at the dwarf." I think that's rude. Doesn't mean he/she isn't a dwarf.

Would I do that? No. Then again, going back to the whole cripple thing, there is still a difference there. To refer to a member of the straight population as "breeder" is not derogatory, is not pointing out a handicap, is not slanderous (again, unless you are talking about the very specific breeding practices of a person or couple). For example, if my girlfriend got pregnant by someone else, and I started calling her breeder, maybe that is an attack. If I saw octamom on the street, and called her a breeder, maybe then. But in the context of some random gay person calling me a breeder? Not insulting.

Pointing out someones handicap is rude, especially considering they likely already feel entirely too selfconscious of that fact. Breeder as a term for straight people is not pointing out a deficiency any more than me calling people who don't require glasses "20/20." Now, be aware, I am not saying that being gay is a handicap or a deficiency. This is in the context of discussing whether or not breeder is a slur. SO, yes, "20/20."

"Hey there, 20/20, why don't you go on with that not squinting while you read thing you do. Have fun not tripping over that thing that you obvious see, you SEE-ER! That's right, you heard me! Probably saw me too. I bet if I was behind glass you could read my lips! What a jerk."

Unfortunately, a lot of people see being gay as a handicap, and there are a whole slew of hateful words used by hateful people to describe them. What I like about Breeder? I don't feel the hate. It just does not fit the definition of the word "slur."

Carry on. I bet you are reading this with a normal ...


I think we are in agreement on much of this. I personally don't have thin skin and when my friend called me a 'breeder' I did not want to cry or punch him. What I think is getting lost in what I am trying to say is that some people may desperately WANT to breed that can't ( I have friends, she had a hysterectomy, that wanted their own biological children, have since adopted ) that find this term hurtful. Further up the thread a woman remark about how she had this directed at her after she had an abortion.

As MooseUpNorth said - "Breeder" isn't helping; it's not accurate; it's friendly-fire by definition; kindly knock it off.

Peace
 
2012-05-04 07:41:43 PM

Elandriel: mauricecano: We're way beyond goodwill at this point in the debate and time has proven again and again that its fun to rile up the conservatives with selectively injected words on fark and watch the reaction.

You risk alienating support from sympathetic heterosexual parties by insulting them in that generalization. Heterosexual doesn't mean anti-gay and your post seems to class this as gay vs not-gay, when in reality it's bigots vs. everyone else. For a group of people who doesn't want to suffer discrimination anymore, that's awfully hypocritical.


You sound... concerned.

The reality is that the people who would use this argument are only looking for an excuse to abet their continued lack of support. In short - there's no alienation because the support was always (and will likely always be) withheld.
 
2012-05-04 07:51:02 PM

stevetherobot: Mavent: Elandriel: mauricecano: breeder

When I am thinking about ways to promote equality and goodwill, and equal treatment under the law, I achieve this result by employing epithets about the people who live differently than me. That definitely won't provoke a passive-aggressive reaction and set the dialogue back.

If you're insulted by the word "breeder", you need to have your head examined. Personally, I've always felt that the main advantage of being a straight white male in America is that there's no way for anyone to insult you unless you are, in fact, exactly the what they're accusing you of being. If someone called me a "cracker", I'd just laugh, because it's such a stupid-sounding insult. If they called me a redneck, I'd just be befuddled, because I'm obviously more of a tech geek, and only an idiot could confuse the two. As for "breeder", well, yes. I have bred. I don't really consider it an insult. And frankly, given the level of overpopulation in the world, maybe people SHOULD be reminded to think before they breed.

It's not the word itself that I find insulting it is the sneering condescension implied when it is used.


Oh, man up nancy.
 
2012-05-04 07:56:24 PM

DirkValentine: I understand the point of gay bars. Believe me.

bobbette: I'd also suggest that instead of saying "I'm into chicks" (which I'm not surprised to hear was your response) you say "Oh, I'm here with a friend".

The situation certainly dictates what I say. I've said, "I dig chicks", and never once has that prompted a negative reply. I've only encountered the breeder thing in more conversational settings (like at late night diner). Not after saying "i like girls". I like girls. What's wrong with that? I'm pretty sure I know when I'm in a gay bar and it's easiest to just say, "thanks, but i like girls". I do say thanks. I do, it's a compliment in a way, yes? (though as i mentioned as have others that sometimes it's not enough for some guys) It's not like I walked by a giant building with A rainbow colored sign called, get this, "The Rainbow Lounge" on accident.

I have more than a couple gay people I consider good friends. I've also lost 2 friends (well, i though they were) b/c i wouldn't have any sort of physical/romantic relationship with them. I was pretty angry (not like fighting angry, disappointed angry) about that. it did, however, teach me a good lesson.


If someone breaks off a friendship with you because you wouldn't fark them, then they weren't much of a friend.

Friends respect your sexuality and don't push you to bang them. If they think you might be gay or bi, but haven't realized it, they'll suggest it to you, but won't insist you try something you're uncomfortable with.
 
2012-05-04 08:27:18 PM

DirkValentine:
you don't know jack shiat about me and can take your baseless insults and stick them up your dumb ass.


Yes, but at least he didn't call you a BREEDER. From what I'm told there's
NO WORSE INSULT.

Why are you so overly defensive? If it bothers you that your claims aren't being taken very seriously, then it's either because there are too many people out there whose words don't match their actions (which would urge a truly-supportive person to continue the good fight hoping to change that situation through their own actions) and you're not one of them, OR because you're just another example of someone whose words don't match their actions and it REALLY BUGS you that your transparency is so easy to detect.

Which of the two is more likely given your reaction?

The price for not having you be one of the people who wants to kick my ass for not being heterosexual isn't to kiss your ass for not being overtly homophobic.
 
2012-05-04 08:33:24 PM

DirkValentine: I have more than a couple gay people I consider good friends. I've also lost 2 friends (well, i though they were) b/c i wouldn't have any sort of physical/romantic relationship with them. I was pretty angry (not like fighting angry, disappointed angry) about that. it did, however, teach me a good lesson.


Then they weren't your friends. Its pretty selfish of them to do that. Although I know guys who troll for straight guys - but none of them would drop a friend because they wouldn't have sex with them. Its just idiotic and stupid.

/although one of my straight friends did basically throw himself at me last weekend after 6 shots of tequila - I got him home to his girlfriend
//we will see how long they stay together
 
2012-05-04 09:05:27 PM

Serial: DirkValentine: When I lived in Denver I hung out at a 50/50 sort of place. This, actually, was the first time I was ever sneered at and called a "breeder" by 2 gay guys at the next table. No, they didn't come up and yell it in my face but they were most certainly being dicks.

Not calling BS, but you must have done something other than standing there to get called that. Were you hit on and brushed them off rudely? Did you walk around shouting "I'm straight! Get away!". Because unless you were doing something deliberate to point out your orientation in a negative manner, nobody would have cared.

I've gone to plenty of gar bars with friends. I get hit on all the time, mostly by cute young dudes who are into big bearded men, I smile, I'll chat with them, heck, I'll even take their number, but if they push it beyond flirting I just say I'm not interested or I'm seeing someone. Nobody is any the wiser and I don't come off as a dick. On the times it's been pointed out to people that I'm straight, nobody cared because I was there having a good time and wasn't doing anything that would single me out.


This.

Tell us again how the people --- at the next table --- learned that you were heterosexual? Why did you feel that is was necessary to inform them of this?

Now - their calling you a breeder probably was rude, but inconsequential.
Yes - "inconsequential".
 
2012-05-04 09:32:48 PM

ursomniac: Yes, but at least he didn't call you a BREEDER. From what I'm told there's
NO WORSE INSULT.


Nobody suggested that the term 'breeder' was an insult worth getting upset over. But it's use is not innocent. It's meant as a slur, just not a "fighting words" slur. At worst, it's bigoted. At best, it's merely ignorant.

/ It's not ignorance that makes me think less of someone. It's the willful defense of ignorance.
// Hyperbole is about as persuasive as name-calling. You would do better to use neither.
 
2012-05-04 09:36:29 PM

slayer199: Why the GOP continues to cater to the fundies is beyond me.


They've actively spent the last four years narrowing their support base, so they really don't have a choice anymore.
 
2012-05-04 11:01:21 PM

MooseUpNorth: Nobody suggested that the term 'breeder' was an insult worth getting upset over. But it's use is not innocent. It's meant as a slur, just not a "fighting words" slur. At worst, it's bigoted. At best, it's merely ignorant.


Actually, DirkValentine did suggest it was getting upset over, which is why he's gotten some pushback in this thread.

It's really not meant as a slur, though (as I've explained a few times in this thread, it's predominantly used by people who don't have children to describe obnoxious people with children, now) and I really challenge the idea that it emerges from bigotry. You may as well call someone in the US bigoted for calling a redhead a ginger. I don't want to tell people what they can and can't be offended by. However, the idea that gay people are going around calling people breeders because of bigotry towards straights is an incredible leap into the fantasy realm.

This is the dictionary definition of bigotry: "a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance." Do you really think that most gay people regard straight people with hatred and intolerance? They're our best friends, parents, siblings, coworkers, teachers, neighbours, respected community leaders, pastors, dentists, etc. etc.

Do some people get called breeders and insulted for their ridiculous procreation choices? Sure! You know who it is? It's the Duggars and Octomom, and the people employing the worst breeder-related insults are the people here on Fark. Who birthed (sorry) that clown car vagina meme? Damn, Farkers. You're such bigots, and I hope you lose sleep for your lack of respect for Mrs. Duggar's capacious uterus.
 
2012-05-04 11:04:53 PM

DirkValentine: Second-class citizen? You honestly believe that's ok? I've been to lots of gay bars and most of the time it's all good in the hood. Hell, i've met quite a few girls in them that were there with gay friends.


I'm really late to the discussion, but I think this is probably the root of your problem. You're probably giving off the vibe that you're there to snipe the straight girls who are there hanging out with their gay friends and aren't just there to hang out with your friends. Also, those girls may not actually be straight (there are plenty of very girly lesbians and bi women), something other people in the club know, but they've decided that the best/safest way to deal with this big blond bearded guy who is hitting on them in what's supposed to be a space that's free from that sort of thing is to play along.
 
2012-05-05 12:12:10 AM

Fuggin Bizzy: bobbette: I'm offended that you think the word "breeder" is bigotry. Bigotry is a great deal more serious.

"It's not bigotry when we do it."


Actually, it's not bigotry when it's not used to oppress.
Stop pretending to be offended at nothing.
 
2012-05-05 01:01:20 AM
I'm impressed that there's a bastion of American Conservatism alive on the intertubes that hasn't been broken by the derp squad.

Not that I agree with him or his commenters particularly, it's Cons like these that need to be holding office, not Tea Party'ists. Thinkers, not reactionaries.
 
2012-05-05 01:12:22 AM
The thing about the word, "breeder" is, it's like calling someone on a bicycle, "Biker." You can say it like you're spitting it and fill the word with contempt but no one in their right mind is going to give a good god damn, and it will be kinda funny to be honest.

"Breeder."

"Why yes, my genetic payload WILL be passed on to successive generations making me a superior evolutionary survivor, thank you!"
 
2012-05-05 01:20:03 AM
"Equality before the law is probably forever unattainable. It is a noble ideal, but it can never be realized, for what men value in this world is not rights but privileges." - H.L. Mencken


Boy is this thread ever proof of that... People who should know better than anyone else how shiatty it is to use callous pejoratives to describe people claiming they have every right to do so for reasons ranging from "we take so much shiat, we get a pass" to "-I- don't see anyone reason for you to be offended so fark you," all to maintain the privilege to cut at people and pretend it's innocent or that no one else should dare question it.

I love how, after the summer of anti-bullying campaigns, we've got a thread full of gay people shouting "shut your whining pie-hole, you sniveling pussy. I'll call you whatever I farking want. Got it, biatch?!?!"

Rather than simply say "yeah, maybe it is a pretty crappy thing to say and serves no purpose" they're determined to belittle and mock and make straw man caricatures of people who actually support their cause, simply for saying "hey, that's not cool."

What shiatty shiatty people. At least
 
2012-05-05 01:51:45 AM
And it's a shame that what should have been an all-around celebratory "fark yeah!" thread cheering the death knell of the right-wing anti-gay wars, instead devolved into a thread full of lashing out at, mocking, and belittling gay rights supporters for saying they don't like being called an often derogatory name.

I mean, was the following post really asking so much?

--------


Elandriel: mauricecano: We're way beyond goodwill at this point in the debate and time has proven again and again that its fun to rile up the conservatives with selectively injected words on fark and watch the reaction.

You risk alienating support from sympathetic heterosexual parties by insulting them in that generalization. Heterosexual doesn't mean anti-gay and your post seems to class this as gay vs not-gay, when in reality it's bigots vs. everyone else. For a group of people who doesn't want to suffer discrimination anymore, that's awfully hypocritical.

 
2012-05-05 09:11:53 AM

bobbette: It's really not meant as a slur, though (as I've explained a few times in this thread, it's predominantly used by people who don't have children to describe obnoxious people with children, now)


Yes, I know. I've only heard it used to describe straights in this thread, but it's typically used by people who choose not to have kids to slur people who choose (and are able) to have them. Either way, it's stirred up by the same sort of resentment; it's still crappy behavior; it's still pejorative in either context.

Look. I'm not going to tell you you're not allowed to call people 'breeder'. I'm not your mother. I am, however, saying that I do not respect your use of the term, and I think less of you for defending it. Take this for what it's worth, not very much, but you're wrong in this matter.

It sets us back every single time.
 
2012-05-05 09:59:11 AM

MooseUpNorth: bobbette: It's really not meant as a slur, though (as I've explained a few times in this thread, it's predominantly used by people who don't have children to describe obnoxious people with children, now)

Yes, I know. I've only heard it used to describe straights in this thread, but it's typically used by people who choose not to have kids to slur people who choose (and are able) to have them. Either way, it's stirred up by the same sort of resentment; it's still crappy behavior; it's still pejorative in either context.

Look. I'm not going to tell you you're not allowed to call people 'breeder'. I'm not your mother. I am, however, saying that I do not respect your use of the term, and I think less of you for defending it. Take this for what it's worth, not very much, but you're wrong in this matter.

It sets us back every single time.


It absolutely does not. You're being ridiculous.
 
2012-05-05 10:02:45 AM

TheBigJerk: The thing about the word, "breeder" is, it's like calling someone on a bicycle, "Biker." You can say it like you're spitting it and fill the word with contempt but no one in their right mind is going to give a good god damn, and it will be kinda funny to be honest.

"Breeder."

"Why yes, my genetic payload WILL be passed on to successive generations making me a superior evolutionary survivor, thank you!"


Thank you. The notion that a human being alive would find "breeder" offensive or that it would somehow set back gay rights is about as asinine a thing someone can say.
 
2012-05-05 11:27:22 AM

MooseUpNorth: Either way, it's stirred up by the same sort of resentment; it's still crappy behavior; it's still pejorative in either context.

Look. I'm not going to tell you you're not allowed to call people 'breeder'. I'm not your mother. I am, however, saying that I do not respect your use of the term,


Oh of course, it's pejorative. It's rather disparaging and rude. What it isn't is bigoted or ignorant. I'm going to defend rude childless people who insult obnoxious bad parents from accusations of bigotry, though. I think it is far more ignorant and much worse to asininely accuse an entire social group (gay folks) of bigotry for language usage and motives that are largely assumed (and imagined) and not observed.

This is also in play:
saraoflaherty.com

Except expand "being offended" with "seeing bigotry where it doesn't exist".

However, you should know that I don't use this term myself, except in reference to the awesome band, nice people who raise puppies, and to the clown car Duggars. To whom I will not apologize, because if I ever manage to offend the Duggars, who are an actual family of bigots who are using their spotlight to deny other people rights, I will consider it a job well done. Fark the Duggars.
 
2012-05-05 11:34:31 AM

DirkValentine: you don't know jack shiat about me and can take your baseless insults and stick them up your dumb ass.


Why are you teabaggers always such pissy little biatches?
 
2012-05-05 12:05:15 PM

bobbette: I think it is far more ignorant and much worse to asininely accuse an entire social group (gay folks) of bigotry for language usage and motives that are largely assumed (and imagined) and not observed.


I agree. Which is why I am only accusing you, for whom I now have ample observations.

[Rant about "the Duggars".]

Um... I have no idea what you're on about, but... hey, whatever floats.
 
2012-05-05 12:26:40 PM

MooseUpNorth: bobbette: I think it is far more ignorant and much worse to asininely accuse an entire social group (gay folks) of bigotry for language usage and motives that are largely assumed (and imagined) and not observed.

I agree. Which is why I am only accusing you, for whom I now have ample observations.


That's ridiculous.

Um... I have no idea what you're on about, but... hey, whatever floats.

You might try Google next time. The Duggars are a family of fundamentalist Christians in Arkansas who have had a reality show about their 19 children and lifestyle for 9 seasons. Even before they were on TV, they were a meme on Fark. The father is a former politician and investor, the mother is a big backer of the Quiverfull movement that encourages Christian women to be submissive to their husbands, to homeschool and to never use birth control. They were huge backers of Rick Santorum's campaign, and if you were paying attention to his campaign, you would have noticed him namedrop them a considerable number of times. Like Rick Santorum, they hate gay people and aren't shy about it.
 
2012-05-05 12:30:02 PM

technicolor-misfit: And it's a shame that what should have been an all-around celebratory "fark yeah!" thread cheering the death knell of the right-wing anti-gay wars, instead devolved into a thread full of lashing out at, mocking, and belittling gay rights supporters for saying they don't like being called an often derogatory name.

I mean, was the following post really asking so much?

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Elandriel: mauricecano: We're way beyond goodwill at this point in the debate and time has proven again and again that its fun to rile up the conservatives with selectively injected words on fark and watch the reaction.

You risk alienating support from sympathetic heterosexual parties by insulting them in that generalization. Heterosexual doesn't mean anti-gay and your post seems to class this as gay vs not-gay, when in reality it's bigots vs. everyone else. For a group of people who doesn't want to suffer discrimination anymore, that's awfully hypocritical.


Insofar as the post in question completely misunderstood the underlying scope and made "support" seem conditional on the continued presence of heterocentric ass-licking? Yes.

Isn't it weird when we stop begging and start insisting on equality that many so-called "supportive" heterosexuals start to admonish us about their continued "support".

Now - if I were to tell you "No - you missed the point entirely." would you a) step back and think "Hmmmm --- perhaps I have and should reconsider WHY the responses were the way they were"; or b) double down and attempt to "tell" me why you were "in the right" on what was (at the outset) a textbook demonstration of heterocentrism?

It's not a trick question, but I'll give you a hint - the correct answer is a).

/My parents are (well, "were") breeders. It's sort of the mechanism by which I'm here (yes, on Fark --- it was their plan all along, those crafty parental units).
//Some of my best friends are breeders.
///Some of Rmoney's friends aren't breeders but own breeding facilities.
 
2012-05-05 01:36:07 PM
Rest assured of one thing - once this gay marriage thing is long over and settled, the Conservative revisionists will be out in full force to tell us that Republicans never stood in the way of gay marriage, and that it was really Liberals who hated gays. Republicans supported them all along, and it was Liberals who dragged this fight out. They will no doubt do the same with "Don't ask, don't tell."

Quote me on that one some day.
 
2012-05-05 03:17:21 PM
But what if we just called it something different? You know, like "butt buddies!"
 
2012-05-05 07:43:17 PM

Teikiatsu: But the gay lobby doesn't want this fiasco to go away. There's too much power in being perceived as a persecuted demographic.


Did you really just accuse gays of wanting to remain second class citizens because it's such a power trip?
 
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