Worldcitizen: Are you saying how many did they see IRL? BTW I was wondering if your Brit why are you always talking about the US?

hmm scratch that you ain't a Brit that's someone else.

Nationality check....

What country is everyone from?

There should be more people ripping on the media for what they have been doing. The media have been given an enemy who's basis for actions is hatred pure and simple. Instead of attacking that enemy, they turn on the US with statements, conjecture and obvious lies. The sad thing is that these people did not sneak in under the barb wire, they were born right here on our soil. They are the enemy within.

hrm... 15 million new Americans since 1998 estimate of 270 million. China still has you beat by nearly 1 billion citizens, though. Woo!

Oops, clarification: I was responding to Natix's posts.

WorldCitizen: True... I am glad that we have people on both sides of these issues because it balances things out and we end up making better choices that way. I just meant that I dont trust the average american to make the decision of what a 'just' war is. Mostly i have this view because of the skewed perceptions most Americans have of the world - this is of course brought on by our idiots in the media.

The article in question? ---> A very good piece of satirical writing.

ArmyOfFun, if you read our posts from that time, I don't think you'll find much objectivity.

Lots of "Nuke 'Em!" Is that what you mean?

Better choices...hmm...yes i would agree with that but i would also say that i causes a lot of half assed decisions in order to try and make everyone happy.

NaTax -Do we have a choice as what do you bomb if the enemy flees? Ramadan will hopefully allow the UN to get some sort of political organ up in Afghanistan, if the No. Alliance can keep their dicks in their pants. If widespread savagery ensues, the the bombings should continue on the NA. Attacks on the Al-Quieda will be continual. Who the hell knows, did anybody expect them to fold this fast?

WorldCitizen:

"You can't blindly follow due to patriotism AND be thinking critically. The two just can not co-exist. Of course, the government really doesn't want you thinking critically during a war. Tis why they have propoganda."

Yes, following blindly does remove the ability of freewill, but thinking critically does not prevent you from being a patriot. You can put aside lesser things in order to accomplish the greater goal (eradication of terrorism).

I have heard more B.S. and flat out lies from the far left anti-war croud than from our government. I believe that a truly critical thinker would realize the actions of our government, in response to the 9/11 attacks are correct.

You may hate our country, but it does more good in the world than any other.

WorldCitizen, "Blindly following patriotism" is in fact, known as nationalism. Here comes Webster's:

Nationalism: loyalty and devotion to a nation; especially : a sense of national consciousness exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups

Patriotism: love for or devotion to one's country

There is a huge difference between patriotism and nationalism. Despite the huge difference, they are separated by a very, very fine line for many people currently. We need to keep these definitions in mind lest we slip to the other side. Indeed, it is something we have to keep in check at all times because I think we all cross the line to nationalism from time to time, myself included.

So, I think your statement would be more correct as nationalism and critical thinking do not mix. However, patriotism and critical thinking can coexist. This is why it is so important to know the difference in yourself and in others.

As for this article, it is boldly hypocritical, largely irrelevant, and mostly propagandist bullshiat. The not-so-thinly veiled swipe at Mavis Montag of the New Yorker essentially calling her a communist for expressing an unpopular viewpoint is a frighteningly McCarthyist sentiment the likes of which should make us all recoil in disgust whether you agree or disagree with one Mavis Montag.

Pay attention, people. Beware your own nationalistic tendencies.

Er... Bildo: "eradication of terrorism"? Just like America's "War on drugs" eradicated drugs, eh? I don't think terrorism will EVER be eradicated - and I hate how the media spews "war on terrorism". It is the US slaughtering a known terrorist network, NOT terrorism.
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Of course, other than that one part, Bildo made some very good points.

What mostly pisses me off about american media is their 5 second video clips. I watch CNN alot and whenever they talk about the Northern Alliance all they do is show a 5 second video clip of about 50 NA troops stacked in the back of a toyota or a clip of about 50 NA troops stacked on top of a tank or sometimes if ur lucky u see a 5 second clip of a NA soldier firing a howitzer. Then the camera goes back to their face and they talk again. If there was no audio and you only saw the video, you would think that this was a story about a bunch of gay men who like to ride in the back of trucks with each other. WTF!!???!? Im trying to watch the news i dont wanna see your ugly ass face i wanna see what the hell is going on. The Spanish news channel in my town shows all kinds of great footage. There is like 15 minutes of footage and their face is only on screen for like 5 seconds at a time. Unfortunatly i dont speak spanish or i would watch the spanish channel.

Come on Vandalbob, everybody's doing it... doing it... doing it...

And just so you know, I'm not normally a troll. Just wanted to feel what it was like on Fb's side of the fence. Eh. Boring. I prefer lively debate and people actually interested in bringing up meaningful points.

How exactly was my response inappropriate for such stunning comments as:

the title of this tread is probably going to be: "Im a pussy liberal terrorist hugger and im mad because i know that the article speaks the truth"

The world would be run by nazi's I'm sure. The damn media tells you what were doing. Who needs war plans??

and the incredibly enlightening...

so true.

Whatever. Time to finish my meatless, tasteless lunch and get back to my job hugging trees. Or something.

mh

Right on, Modernhamlet

Oompaloompa Although I wasn't with Fark back then, (yea I'm a newb, so BACK OFF). I think a lot of the NUKE THE MIDDLE EAST comments weren't really backed up, just a display of emotion. Most Americans thought then that military action was justified for such and such reasons. Objective and war supporting, I think that was my point if I had one.

Chris Buckley?
Not the same infamous little shiat who trolls Usenet and practically has a jihad against him there?

Why does the left have so little sense of humor?
It was satire probably from the right but McCarthyist?, boldly hypocritical?, largely irrelevant?. It was slightly funny, hell Limbaugh doesn't even take himself that seriously. Relax

You got it, Jefferson. I've got quite a sense of humor, I'm pretty damn liberal, and my girlfriend frequently calls me a tree hugger. But yeah, people on here are farking on a razors edge with their feelings... What the hell?

Surgeon General's Warning: sense of humor required to read the following, otherwise cancer of the brain will result...

Well, they can show all the decapitated people and death camps and gutspilling they want as long as they don't warp my childrens' minds with pictures of boobies and people actually having sex and talking about sex. Wouldn't want that. People could lose their lunch.

Now that the United Front has driven Taleban and Al Qa’ida into the hills, what is their motivation now to find bin Laden?

Best Article Ever.

Jefferson Davis:
Nail--->Head

Not once does the author say "liberal" or "left". He's just talking about the media and the annoying sh!t they have been doing covering this conflict.

Oompaloompa - Its not their job. We are the ones who are gonna get Bin Laden. We have alot of motivation for that.

DAMNIT THAT'S WHAT I'M TRYING TO SAY.

Natix, quizás usted debe aprender español?

WorldCitizen "You have to see both sides, and then make your judgement."

Uh yeah, brilliant. Show your own guys being blown apart while they're still fighting the war. Crush the morale of your own troops while you still don't know if you're ultimately going to end up speaking English or Gerpanese. Turn your people into a bunch of pussies so that when the mighty Imperial Army lands on California all your guys stick their M1 between their legs and run away crying "they're going to hurt us!". Yeah, that's how you win. Der.

The "truth", not that it ever comes out anyway, is fine after you win, damaging the morale of your own guys while they're still fighting is rather inept.

I think some of you are missing the point of the article: How TODAY'S media would have covered WWII. Not how the media in 1940 covered WWII.

There was a study not too long ago that found that truly incompetent people don't know they are incompetent; in fact, they think they are exceptionally competent. The same applies to other aspects of humanity. This is why liberals cannot see that the media is IN FACT liberal, not conservative, and this by its' very nature. It is therefore refreshing to see folks thinking outside the liberal party line, even if just to poke fun at it.

That goes both ways, Bifjamod

Yes, following blindly does remove the ability of freewill, but thinking critically does not prevent you from being a patriot. You can put aside lesser things in order to accomplish the greater goal (eradication of terrorism).

When terrorism is eradicated, give me a call ;) What a great way to get rid of terrorism, dropping bombs in the middle of cities of weakened buildings, where even a miss makes buildings collapse and innocent people lose their loved ones! That'll stop new terrorists from forming!

I have heard more B.S. and flat out lies from the far left anti-war croud than from our government.

Name them.

I believe that a truly critical thinker would realize the actions of our government, in response to the 9/11 attacks are correct.

Naturally, virtually unilateral action by supporting an untrustworthy huge human rights abuser who has terrorists as members against a group that just happens to be allied against someone that hasn't even been tried, attacking by bombing downtown areas of cities with weapons banned by almost every country in the world for their brutality, taking out of purely civilian infrastructure and targetting relief agencies against their explicit requests, with a fuzzy to no endgame strategy, for an ambiguous goal... how could we *not* support that???

>>>> Mmmmdave: the title of this article should be: "What if the angry, biased right-wing media made a paraody of left-wingers and based it in world war II?"

Interesting. Why is it that the left wing is always unbiased, and their anger is "righteous" while the right wing is always biased and their anger is somehow bad?

because liberals are always tree huggers. duh.

You know, it's funny. The other day, the school newspaper had two separate letters to the editor regarding an article about a local anti-war protest. What were the titles, you ask?

"Daily shows it's conservative side"
"Daily show it's liberal side"

I think it's pretty funny, actually.

Jefferson Davis "Why does the left have so little sense of humor?"

They don't like things that make them look stupid. Besides, they're disgruntled 'cus no one listens to their "I bring you looove" and "Whoa is us! The World is so screwed up! Think of the children!" messages.

Natix: Sorry news stories - has to do with attention span. People don't want to watch long stories about things they don't care about. You can usually get good long stories watching the much-less-fluffy news on your PBS station. When they show something you care about you're like "cool! lots of info!". But enduring 15 minute stories about things you find irrelevant will make you think you're going to have an aneurism. I can't stand it.

You assume I am on the left. You assume I have no sense of humor.

Political satire has a greater depth and meaning to it. It is a powerful propaganda tool of any agenda. Slighting me for attempting to analyze it with a critical eye is uncalled for. I guess you would be more happy if I just spouted off the same brainless rhetoric most of these other posts exemplify. How about you try to debate the point with some intellect instead of just telling me to relax? I am perfectly relaxed, thanks very much. However, I will not be so casually dismissed. Hell, everything I said could be completely wrong and opinionated, but you countered it with nothing of substance, only condescension.

In fact, there is a good irony here. Most of my post was in response to some one saying patriotism and critical thinking do not mix. I said, no, nationalism and critical thinking do not combine. Well, I applied some critical thinking and you tell me to stop thinking and just relax. Thanks for proving my point.

Bookman see above comments on incompentents.
Vandalbob no it doesn't - you just can't see it. This is a free country so you are certainly welcome to view it that way though.

I suppose the author of this is telling us to revert to our ways back in the 40s.

Dahaka:

"Er... Bildo: "eradication of terrorism"? Just like America's "War on drugs" eradicated drugs, eh? I don't think terrorism will EVER be eradicated - and I hate how the media spews "war on terrorism". It is the US slaughtering a known terrorist network, NOT terrorism."

Maybe, but it's still worth fighting. Personally I think that it can be one, but it will involve a lot more than just Afghanistan.

I should have said "international terrorism"

The war on drugs could be won if we wanted to send troops into every country that is mass producing them. It won't happen, it would probably cause a world war if it did happen, but it would stop the flow of drugs.

This war is different because most of the world WANTS us to send troops into nations that promote terrorism. Even Jordan is commiting troops to Afghanistan. Remember international terrorism could not exist without national governments supporting it. If we don't fight this war to the finish now then we will fight it again in the future, probably with nuclear weapons.

Bifjamod, damnit, I forgot to add some sarcasm tags to that post. And with that, I'm off to work.

There was a study not too long ago that found that truly incompetent people don't know they are incompetent; in fact, they think they are exceptionally competent.

And that applies to conservatives as well ;)

The same applies to other aspects of humanity. This is why liberals cannot see that the media is IN FACT liberal, not conservative, and this by its' very nature.

The media is only as liberal as the huge corporate conglomerates that own them ;)

Seriously, though, take a look at opinion pages on major news sites over a 1-month period. You'll notice that CNN and ABC News try to stay completely unpolitical, while MSNBC has liberal opinion pieces (things like calling for people to stop demonizing gays as scapegoats for the WTC) and fox news has conservative opinion pieces (demonization of antiwar protestors, statements saying women's rights shouldn't be a consideration in the new coalition government, etc). Of course, this is only from reading the news online every day for the past few months... ;)

Oh, and as a side note, Fox News really needs a new photo editor... their photo edits for news stories are appallingly bad, to the point where I once had to mail them to complain ;)

What is with the articles above this one not showing any comments??

*notices the articles are now gone*

oh, that's why.

Victoria's secret article also gone