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2012-05-04 05:08:37 PM

digitalpirate: People who use drugs deserve to go to prison for life


0/10. Please hang up and try your troll again
 
2012-05-04 05:08:38 PM

logistic: I hope he gets every dime.


The only problem is that that cash is also tax dollars. I know - disband the DEA and that will more than cover the cost plus a few billion a year.
 
2012-05-04 05:08:49 PM

BigLuca: FTFA: "The DEA's protocol was so sloppy that somebody who was a previous prisoner secreted a small amount of meth in a plastic bag inside a blanket," Iredale said.

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Ooohhh, "secreted" not "seCRETed", makes more sense now
 
2012-05-04 05:09:28 PM

BigLuca: FTFA: "The DEA's protocol was so sloppy that somebody who was a previous prisoner secreted a small amount of meth in a plastic bag inside a blanket," Iredale said.

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So what you're saying is it may have been METHANEphetamines?

/Poop drugs!
 
2012-05-04 05:10:59 PM

digitalpirate: People who use drugs deserve to go to prison for life


Yeah. Those bastards taking 81mg of aspirin should be put away for life.
 
2012-05-04 05:11:31 PM

Benjimin_Dover: The Decider: I hope he gets the $20 mil. Unlikely, though.

They'll settle for an undisclosed amount. Let's just say his working days are over.

I doubt it. I bet he will blow through anything he gets before he is to retirement age. And by blow I mean suck up his nose.


Didn't they say he was still in College?
/dnrtfa
//kid never worked in his life
///now he never will
 
2012-05-04 05:11:41 PM

KidneyStone: Y'all realize your tax dollars are paying for any settlement, right?

He should get something but $20 million? Too damned much if you ask me. If he walks away with $5 million he's going to be set for life.


Starving to death in handcuffs? I'll happily contribute that nickel. Heck, I'll even put in another penny to have those DEA agents put behind bars for life.
 
2012-05-04 05:11:54 PM

Corporate Self: Ned Stark: Maybe that'll teach the doped up little hooligan not to huff the mariwana. I hope they don't give him a dime of the TAXPAYERS money

0/10


Cmon man, cold wars over no need to get all east german with the judging. 'TAXPAYERS' was worth a point by itself.
 
2012-05-04 05:12:11 PM
I once spent 14 hours in a cell with no human contact after being arrested for smoking pot at a Beastie Boys concert in 1994. I dropped acid about 30 minutes before I was arrested and it started to kick in right about the time I was handcuffed to a desk in a room with no windows.

The next morning they said they forgot about me and said they would drop all charges. I had nightmares about that for months.

Worst trip ever.
 
2012-05-04 05:13:04 PM
I was shocked that the DEA admitted fault. They could have said nothing, claiming the usual "We don't comment on ongoing investigations" bullshiat.
 
2012-05-04 05:13:51 PM

Gyrfalcon: scottydoesntknow: The Decider: I hope he gets the $20 mil. Unlikely, though.

They'll settle for an undisclosed amount. Let's just say his working days are over.

But his "doing copious amounts of drugs because you were handed an extraordinarily large check" days have just begun!!!

/He deserves the settlement
//But he freely admits to liking/doing drugs, some of them pretty hardcore

Dude, he's still in college. I defy anyone here to deny they didn't like/do drugs in college, most of them pretty hardcore.

Anyway, liking/doing even the most vicious of hallucinogens, if you HAVEN'T BEEN CHARGED WITH ANYTHING, isn't justification for being locked in a cell for five days while you drink your own piss.


Alright, I'll show you someone who didn't like/do drugs in college, and you show me someone who was actually responsible when handed an enormous sum of money while in college.

Like I said, he deserves every penny, but don't think for a second he'll all of the sudden start making smart investments and planning for his future. The kid will blow most of it on parties/cars, and the rest on drugs. Don't be naive.
 
2012-05-04 05:15:43 PM
Could someone explain to me how much on average, will he get assuming the $20 Mill is paid out? How much goes to the Lawyer and the Tax man?
 
2012-05-04 05:16:02 PM

scottydoesntknow: BigLuca: FTFA: "The DEA's protocol was so sloppy that somebody who was a previous prisoner secreted a small amount of meth in a plastic bag inside a blanket," Iredale said.

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So what you're saying is it may have been METHANEphetamines?

/Poop drugs!


Good thing he didn't find the jenkem in the toilet.
 
2012-05-04 05:16:44 PM
The important thing is that none of the cops/agents will get fired or go to jail over this.
 
2012-05-04 05:17:18 PM
In a different article he says he was already hallucinating before he eat the white powder and only did because he didn't have anything else to eat and was going to die and thought it couldn't hurt. He also pissed on the metal bench and slurped it up.
Gotta do what ya gotta do to live.
 
2012-05-04 05:17:49 PM

junkmetal: Still wonder how accidental this was.


Simple answers don't satisfy?
 
2012-05-04 05:21:34 PM

Asterix: Could someone explain to me how much on average, will he get assuming the $20 Mill is paid out? How much goes to the Lawyer and the Tax man?


The federal tax on that will approach, but not reach, the top marginal tax rate of 36%, so that's ~$7,200,000 to Uncle Sam if he gets it in a lump sum (more likely, he'll get a structure settlement of some sort)

If he hired a lawyer by the hour, I'd expect between $20,000 - $100,000 in legal fees. Maybe lower, since the government has publicly admitted fault.

If he hires a lawyer on contigency, the lawyer would probably get between 33% and 40% under contract, but it's possible that the kid could get that award reduced if he fights over it, if the government settles after only a couple hours of work.
 
2012-05-04 05:22:34 PM

howdoibegin: junkmetal: Still wonder how accidental this was.

Simple answers don't satisfy?


In all fairness, it's often difficult to differentiate between the incompetence and maliciousness of law enforcement.
 
2012-05-04 05:22:54 PM

BigLuca: FTFA: "The DEA's protocol was so sloppy that somebody who was a previous prisoner secreted a small amount of meth in a plastic bag inside a blanket," Iredale said.

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What, you aint never had meth secretions before? It's like, licking a toad, man. A toad that you first rub on a jail cell floor. The nose is bitter - almost metallic - but quickly transcends to a floral bouquet with a hint of chocolate and previously secreted substances. The finish is long, with oaky tannins, and accompanied by a lingering aftertaste. If you've never had it, urine for a treat.
 
2012-05-04 05:23:23 PM

BigLuca: FTFA: "The DEA's protocol was so sloppy that somebody who was a previous prisoner secreted a small amount of meth in a plastic bag inside a blanket," Iredale said.


Perfectly valid use of the word. Secret has a verb form: To secret, often upon one's person.
 
2012-05-04 05:23:53 PM
also, why isn't this criminal neglect?
 
2012-05-04 05:25:36 PM

The Face Of Oblivion: I think it's absolutely retarded that taxpayers are on the hook for any amount of money payable to the one person on earth dumb enough to get arrested for smoking weed indoors on a day when pot smoke is billowing from every window in the student section of town - a person dumb enough to eat methamphetamine powder because, hey, it was there. Maybe he would accept the meth in lieu of cash.

Well, let's not forget that he was also hallucinating and well on his way to DYING at this point. I think we can cut him a little slack on that.

/yeesh

 
2012-05-04 05:25:49 PM

Charles_Nelson_Reilly: digitalpirate: People who use drugs deserve to go to prison for life

0/10. Please hang up and try your troll again


I had a few nibbles
 
2012-05-04 05:27:00 PM

junkmetal: Still wonder how accidental this was.


Why wouldn't it be? What possible reason would the DEA have to starve and isolate a nobody Asian college student caught with a joint? The government typically really mistreats you only when 1) they know you or your family don't have the means or credibility to fight back; or 2) they want something out of you and the only way to get it is to play rough.

If the government did this on purpose and wanted to bury this case, we would never have heard from him again. The DEA would have claimed that they released him right away and that he just disappeared.
 
2012-05-04 05:27:15 PM

indylaw:
The federal tax on that will approach, but not reach, the top marginal tax rate of 36%, so that's ~$7,200,000 to Uncle Sam if he gets it in a lump sum (more likely, he'll get a structure settlement of some sort)

If he hired a lawyer by the hour, I'd expect between $20,000 - $100,000 in legal fees. Maybe lower, since the government has publicly admitted fault.

If he hires a lawyer on contigency, the lawyer would probably get between 33% and 40% under contract, but it's possible that the kid could get that award reduced if he fights over it, if the government settles after only a couple hours of work.


Thanks Man. I have always wondered how those pan out when I see them in the news.
 
2012-05-04 05:28:04 PM

Karac: scottydoesntknow: BigLuca: FTFA: "The DEA's protocol was so sloppy that somebody who was a previous prisoner secreted a small amount of meth in a plastic bag inside a blanket," Iredale said.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 326x304]

So what you're saying is it may have been METHANEphetamines?

/Poop drugs!

Good thing he didn't find the jenkem in the toilet.


There wasn't a toilet. It was a holding cell, not designed for overnight use.
 
2012-05-04 05:28:37 PM
Is this choice on the menu because I would seriously go 5 days without water for $20M. Heck, I'll bid 10 day.

I'm pretty sure 10 days is survivable if you just laid there and the environment wasn't extreme or dry. Not sure if drinking piss would help, but if it would I'd do that too for $20M.
 
2012-05-04 05:28:45 PM

AeAe: also, why isn't this criminal neglect?


Because the same rules do not apply to law enforcement as apply to you and me.
 
2012-05-04 05:28:47 PM
Druggie bastard was probably sharing used, dirty pot needles as well.
 
2012-05-04 05:29:27 PM
this is so easy to fix
take the agents who arrested
take the person who turned the key to lock the cell
take the person whose job it was to watch the prisoner

locked them in individual cells for 5 days, in exactly the same conditions (light, water, food, sanitation, what not)
call it holding, so they dont need a trial

if they live, they can be tried for their crimes.
if they die, their corpses can be dumped on street

oh yes
and disband the dea
they clearly are a clear and present danger to society

/gahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
2012-05-04 05:29:35 PM

CliChe Guevara: Corporate Self: I am Wee Todd Ed: Did I read the article right, that he was charged with being a meth dealer and/or maker? If so, I don't feel sorry for him.

Well since the article is pay walled, I would say they can (and will) charge him with anything to try and reduce their culpability.

Charged does not mean convicted.

he wasn't a dealer, he wasn't charged, was never going to be charged, and was in the cell waiting for a ride home. christ, RTFA people

 
2012-05-04 05:30:46 PM

ShawnDoc: junkmetal: Still wonder how accidental this was.

I think it was. Agent who processed him left him in a cell until another agent takes him home. The first agent assumes the second agent took him home. For whatever reason the second agent doesn't (misunderstood the message, forgot, whatever). Then everyone just assumes the guy in the holding cell who is kicking and screaming is just some nut job placed in hold by another agent. No one investigates since there's always a parade of people in and out of the holding cells, and they get the occasional crazy.


easy enough to solve this
shoot and kill everyone in the chain of command.
ignoring prisoners = death for the jailer ... TADA problem solved ...
 
2012-05-04 05:31:04 PM
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Sees potential
 
2012-05-04 05:31:34 PM

lucksi: The important thing is that none of the cops/agents will get fired or go to jail over this.


lol
or lose their job or changes be made to procedures or peoples' feet be held to the fire
 
2012-05-04 05:32:35 PM

Asterix: Could someone explain to me how much on average, will he get assuming the $20 Mill is paid out? How much goes to the Lawyer and the Tax man?


nothing goes to the taxman
it is not income

lawyer is another story, standard 1/3rd ?
 
2012-05-04 05:32:43 PM

Cagey B: I hope he gets the $20 mil. Unlikely, though.


No way it was worth that much. $1 million? Yep. Plus I think they ought to let him actively help re-write policies to stop this from happening and help oversee its implementation. win/win.
 
2012-05-04 05:34:03 PM

theMagni: There wasn't a toilet. It was a holding cell, not designed for overnight use.


and it was no ones job to check all the holding cells, say, every hour?
easy enough problem to solve.
see my Boobiesing on putting the people involved in holding cells for 5 days ....

hmmmmmm
maybe as extra punishment they should be put in holding for 10 days ...
just to be certain that they are dead at the end
farkers
 
2012-05-04 05:35:30 PM

soupbone: Cagey B: I hope he gets the $20 mil. Unlikely, though.

No way it was worth that much. $1 million? Yep. Plus I think they ought to let him actively help re-write policies to stop this from happening and help oversee its implementation. win/win.


really?
do you know that going without water for 5 days can actually KILL you?
can cause serious bodily harm?
go read and come back

20 wasnt even close to enough
50% of the DEA budget would prevent this from happening again

another day and this kid could have died .....
then of course, NOTHING would have happened

sigh
 
2012-05-04 05:37:05 PM

namatad: Asterix: Could someone explain to me how much on average, will he get assuming the $20 Mill is paid out? How much goes to the Lawyer and the Tax man?

nothing goes to the taxman
it is not income

lawyer is another story, standard 1/3rd ?


There are some complex rules on treatment of damage awards as income. If the money represents some actual economic damage in the past (like reimbursement for out-of-pocket medical expenses), that portion may be tax free. Any money for pain and suffering or future lost income would probably be taxable. There won't be punitive damages in this case (the federal government is immune from punitive damages), but if there were, they'd be taxable.

Bottom line, if he got $20 million, a significant portion would go for taxes.
 
2012-05-04 05:38:09 PM

soupbone: Cagey B: I hope he gets the $20 mil. Unlikely, though.

No way it was worth that much. $1 million? Yep. Plus I think they ought to let him actively help re-write policies to stop this from happening and help oversee its implementation. win/win.


When they finally found Chong, he was taken to Sharp Memorial Hospital, where he stayed for five days. Iredale said Chong, who was close to kidney failure and had trouble breathing, spent three of those days in the intensive care unit.

but you think it was OK that he was left ....
only a million .... LOLOLOL

seriously, this was involuntary attempted manslaughter and the tards involved should be charge
accident, my left testicle
 
2012-05-04 05:38:37 PM

indylaw: junkmetal: Still wonder how accidental this was.

Why wouldn't it be? What possible reason would the DEA have to starve and isolate a nobody Asian college student caught with a joint? The government typically really mistreats you only when 1) they know you or your family don't have the means or credibility to fight back; or 2) they want something out of you and the only way to get it is to play rough.

If the government did this on purpose and wanted to bury this case, we would never have heard from him again. The DEA would have claimed that they released him right away and that he just disappeared.


You can't be serious? Go to youtube and search for something like 'police brutality' and you can spend all weekend watching law enforcement being assholes just because they can be assholes. Rest assured that at least a handful of those officers were punished with a few days off, paid.

Maybe the kid rubbed them the wrong way and they thought they'd forget he was there for a few days to show him who the big man is.

It's my guess that this was an accident, but suggesting that cops would never be assholes for no reason is about the most naive/disingenuous thing I've ever heard.
 
2012-05-04 05:38:51 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: I am Wee Todd Ed: Did I read the article right, that he was charged with being a meth dealer and/or maker? If so, I don't feel sorry for him.

1) Being charged with a crime =/ having committed said crime. This is one of the foundations of this country's justice system.
2) Making someone drink their own piss and eat one of the most addictive and poisonous things imaginable off a dirty floor to survive would easily fall under "cruel and unusual punishment." This is another thing our society supposedly prides itself for not doing.
3) You are illiterate.


Actually, no one made him do either of those things. Not sure he felt like he had a choice, but the way you typed this, it looks like he was actually made to by force. I feel bad for the guy, that has to have sucked bad.
 
2012-05-04 05:39:18 PM

namatad: soupbone: Cagey B: I hope he gets the $20 mil. Unlikely, though.

No way it was worth that much. $1 million? Yep. Plus I think they ought to let him actively help re-write policies to stop this from happening and help oversee its implementation. win/win.

really?
do you know that going without water for 5 days can actually KILL you?
can cause serious bodily harm?
go read and come back

20 wasnt even close to enough
50% of the DEA budget would prevent this from happening again

another day and this kid could have died .....
then of course, NOTHING would have happened

sigh


The "rule of 3's" - 3 minutes without air, 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food.

It's a rule of thumb, you can clearly survive 3 days without water, but the end isn't pretty - your eyeballs shrink, organs fail, tongue turns black.. - not a nice way to go.
 
2012-05-04 05:40:19 PM

indylaw: There are some complex rules on treatment of damage awards as income. If the money represents some actual economic damage in the past (like reimbursement for out-of-pocket medical expenses), that portion may be tax free. Any money for pain and suffering or future lost income would probably be taxable. There won't be punitive damages in this case (the federal government is immune from punitive damages), but if there were, they'd be taxable.

Bottom line, if he got $20 million, a significant portion would go for taxes.


sure, maybe, except that the on-going medical expenses are currently unknown, including mental treatment ... shudder
talk about the land of the free
not sure there is anything worse than being locked up and left to die of thirst
(you wont die of starvation in anything close to the same time)
Was it dark, was there any light???
shudder
 
2012-05-04 05:41:10 PM

namatad: soupbone: Cagey B: I hope he gets the $20 mil. Unlikely, though.

No way it was worth that much. $1 million? Yep. Plus I think they ought to let him actively help re-write policies to stop this from happening and help oversee its implementation. win/win.

When they finally found Chong, he was taken to Sharp Memorial Hospital, where he stayed for five days. Iredale said Chong, who was close to kidney failure and had trouble breathing, spent three of those days in the intensive care unit.

but you think it was OK that he was left ....
only a million .... LOLOLOL

seriously, this was involuntary attempted manslaughter and the tards involved should be charge
accident, my left testicle


Was that bolded part a question? I never posted anything even remotely close to that. $1 million plus all hospital bills would be acceptable in my humble opinion.
 
2012-05-04 05:41:26 PM

Digital Communist: FTA Comments: "So, how did going to a Weed Day party work out for the dude? Yes, he was wronged by the DEA, but hanging with lowlife dope smokers brings risks. Mr. Chong needs to stop smoking dope and seek out a better class of friends."

Neanderthals like this would be shocked to learn how many professionals they know and respect smoke weed. Not to mention lots of harder drugs too. The reason they don't already know this is because people tend not to open up to pretentious assholes.

Just because low-lifes like doing drugs does not mean that doing drugs makes you a low-life.


Are you insinuating that the billions of dollars of illegal drugs imported into and produced in this country as well as all the stolen and misdirected prescription drugs are consumed by anyone other than homeless people?

/rushlimbaugh.jpg
 
2012-05-04 05:41:53 PM

Jument: Is this choice on the menu because I would seriously go 5 days without water for $20M. Heck, I'll bid 10 day.

I'm pretty sure 10 days is survivable if you just laid there and the environment wasn't extreme or dry. Not sure if drinking piss would help, but if it would I'd do that too for $20M.


It's not whether or not you can survive, it's how much kidney damage you suffer before you get water again. That's what the "incredible survival" stories never mention when someone is found after 110 days in the rubble after some disaster--that often they die later in the hospital from kidney failure.

For instance, a man was found alive seven days after the 880 freeway collapse following the 1989 San Francisco earthquake, and everyone cheered...but he died the next week when his kidneys couldn't be restarted and his blood was too toxic to be cleansed properly before he died. Another person who got lost during a Dubai endurance race wandered around in the desert for a week managing to eat bats to survive suffered such lasting kidney damage he was never able to race again. Kidneys by and large are not very forgiving.

According to the article, this kid was in preliminary kidney failure when he was found, He's young, so it may not show up for a while, but I'll bet in later life he'll suffer serious problems if he's not very careful. So I myself would not go a week without water for $20 mil. You might have to invest the whole thing on a transplant later on.
 
2012-05-04 05:41:54 PM

soupbone: Don't Troll Me Bro!: I am Wee Todd Ed: Did I read the article right, that he was charged with being a meth dealer and/or maker? If so, I don't feel sorry for him.

1) Being charged with a crime =/ having committed said crime. This is one of the foundations of this country's justice system.
2) Making someone drink their own piss and eat one of the most addictive and poisonous things imaginable off a dirty floor to survive would easily fall under "cruel and unusual punishment." This is another thing our society supposedly prides itself for not doing.
3) You are illiterate.

Actually, no one made him do either of those things. Not sure he felt like he had a choice, but the way you typed this, it looks like he was actually made to by force. I feel bad for the guy, that has to have sucked bad.


I think the poster meant Chong was put in a position where he felt he had no choice but to do these things..

// reading comprehension, how does that work?
 
2012-05-04 05:42:44 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: KidneyStone: Y'all realize your tax dollars are paying for any settlement, right?

He should get something but $20 million? Too damned much if you ask me. If he walks away with $5 million he's going to be set for life.

Starving to death in handcuffs? I'll happily contribute that nickel. Heck, I'll even put in another penny to have those DEA agents put behind bars for life.


Kickstarter?
 
2012-05-04 05:42:44 PM

AeAe: The "rule of 3's" - 3 minutes without air, 3 hours without shelter, 3 days without water, and 3 weeks without food.

It's a rule of thumb, you can clearly survive 3 days without water, but the end isn't pretty - your eyeballs shrink, organs fail, tongue turns black.. - not a nice way to go.


nice
shelter I assume is roasting sun or freezing wind?
what is the time for cold ocean water? pretty sure it is in the 3 min range ...


and yah, his living to 5 days was pretty close to dead. the article mentions close to kidney failure and 3 days in ICU recovering ...
talk about hell
 
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