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2012-05-04 12:17:33 PM  
Read your app permissions people.
 
2012-05-04 12:20:29 PM  
But I love my Altoids,
www.poundland.co.uk
Wait, looks again
Oh Androids
Never mind.......
 
2012-05-04 12:26:36 PM  
17 malicious apps? And 10 of them were just adware?

Well it's just a damn jungle out there.

I dunno, maybe it's just because I was working in the days when you couldn't go more than a few minutes without your mail server collecting a dozen virus attachments targeting Windows 9x and twenty things trying to launch malicious active x controls in IE, but it just seems to me like the whole app virus thing is pretty tame by historical malware standards.
 
2012-05-04 12:40:11 PM  
Apple sucks.
 
2012-05-04 12:42:18 PM  
Ha! This is why I have an iPhone*



*Not really. Galaxy S2.
 
2012-05-04 12:44:33 PM  
Our company designed an enterprise client app for the iOS and Android platforms. When we submitted it to the Apple itunes marketplace, we had to submit our original article of incorporation, our DNB number, have several voice discussions, await code testing, answer specific questions about routines they found, change our code to ensure. Apple assigned us a rep throughout the 3-4 week process until we were ultimately approved. Then we were to pay 99.00 registration fee and our app appeared in the itunes marketplace 24 hours later.

When we submitted the same app to Google, we paid 25.00 and our app was in Google play the next day.

Android is great until you have employees who want to connect to a corporate network. See above for why.
 
M-G
2012-05-04 12:44:37 PM  

redpanda2: Read your app permissions people.


Except that nearly every app wants access to everything now.
 
2012-05-04 12:54:07 PM  
I finally rooted my gs2 the other day because tmo took away my free hotspot and I use it a lot. So, all I have to say about that is that it was a little bit complicated and it took about an hour all told. But I'm sooooooooooooo happy I did it. Oh, and titanium pro is the shiat. Should have done this a long time ago.
 
2012-05-04 12:59:04 PM  
static8.businessinsider.com

Meanwhile, there is an eerie ghostly laughter coming from a grave in Cupertino.
 
2012-05-04 01:09:36 PM  
This is the problem of such things. You can have the walled garden, where you try to keep asshats at bay (don't always make it I'm sure) or you have this sort of system where it is very much buyer beware with any purchase.

I'm not saying this clearly shows the benefit of either system but for the average consumer I can see being thrown in to a walled garden as a much better outcome than someone making off with all your personal details.

OTOH the permissions list thing has become stupid, even seemingly mundane apps have had ever increasing amounts of permissions as they all try to stuff more features in to themselves. Sure you could quantify exactly what data it's going after when you're in the market... but would anyone actually read that though?
 
2012-05-04 01:09:46 PM  
Yep, Google Play/Android Market is the wild west. Stardard PC rules apply..."don't be a goddamned idiot."
 
2012-05-04 01:19:09 PM  
I'll take the risk, as long as i can still play Flash.
 
2012-05-04 01:20:13 PM  
Zombies? That's easy, just wait on them.
 
2012-05-04 01:22:38 PM  

T.rex: I'll take the risk, as long as i can still play Flash.


Really? Flash is THAT important to you that you're happy to risk someone making off with your bank details?

Ok. You're an idiot but if that's your position have fun. And no, don't bother with the shiat about local restaurants & flash that always gets posted. It's bollocks. It was 5 years ago and it is now.
 
2012-05-04 01:25:59 PM  

schattenteufel: Meanwhile, there is an eerie ghostly laughter coming from a grave in Cupertino.


I'm anxious to hear the kicking and stomping from the grave after the 4" iphone and ipad mini come out.
 
2012-05-04 01:26:49 PM  

Vaneshi: risk someone making off with your bank details?


Oh jesus christ. Alarmist much?
 
2012-05-04 01:27:52 PM  

Vaneshi: Really? Flash is THAT important to you that you're happy to risk someone making off with your bank details?


You're not confident that you're smart enough to use Flash without having someone steal all the money out of your bank account and you want to call HIM an idiot?

Yea.. okay... HE'S the idiot....
 
2012-05-04 01:35:49 PM  

Splinshints: You're not confident that you're smart enough to use Flash without having someone steal all the money out of your bank account and you want to call HIM an idiot?

Yea.. okay... HE'S the idiot....



I can take flash or leave it. I neither seek it out nor avoid it - I just want the shiat I'm looking at to work, every time. And it does on my phone so I'm cool with that. Buy yeah, what you said. Online banking since '98. Smart phone mobile banking since it was possible. Security problems = zero. Meanwhile BOA has changed my physical credit card number twice in the last year for their own security farkups. I worry about security as we all should, but my phone platform is not the problem.
 
2012-05-04 01:45:35 PM  
You were not paying attention...it began last week with an article about jelly fish stopping a power plant.
 
2012-05-04 01:48:18 PM  
Zombie robots?

laughingsquid.com
 
2012-05-04 01:50:02 PM  
Yes, but let's all just agree that Apple's controls on their app store are megalomaniacal.
 
2012-05-04 01:55:21 PM  

JohnBigBootay:
Oh jesus christ. Alarmist much?


Ohh so these people aren't after your financial details. They're just using malicious code to.... follow you on twitter, yes that's it obviously. Just to follow you on twitter. Maybe Facebook friend you as a last resort.

Idiot. It's always about getting at your money. Always.

Splinshints:
You're not confident that you're smart enough to use Flash without having someone steal all the money out of your bank account and you want to call HIM an idiot?

Yea.. okay... HE'S the idiot....


*cough* Adobe were quite proud of the shared codebase Flash-x86 and Flash-ARM were having (until they killed any development of Flash-ARM). Except most browser based vulnerabilities we hear about come from plugin's from 3rd parties and not the actual browser itself.

So... if Flash-x86 will let 'something bad' happen (which it does) there is a very good chance that same bug exists in the, largely unsupported, Flash-ARM stuff as well.

So I'm glad we agree that him trusting a known untrustworthy piece of code does make him an idiot.


/Yes, Adobe killed flash for ARM.
//Occasional security fix is your limit and they'll be winding down that sooner or later.
///QQ all you want about it, go argue with them.
 
2012-05-04 01:57:26 PM  
i don't use bleater or play hamsternom, so i should be fine.
 
2012-05-04 02:06:57 PM  

Vaneshi: Ohh so these people aren't after your financial details.


Dunno who they are or what they are after. And I have no twitter or facebook accounts. I DO like my videos to play, and they do. And I'm still waiting for something horrible to happen to my bank account. Maybe it will. In the meantime I am absolutely not going to worry about it. I hear if the stars align right you can get herpes from a toilet seat. You pays your money and you takes your chances. I like my phone just fine. It's a farking phone, not some kind of life-altering religious choice. I have shiatty eyes. I'd take an iphone if it was free and had a bigger screen and I could see the damn thing. maybe in a couple of years. I haven't bought brand new tech in a long time and I doubt I start any time soon.
 
2012-05-04 02:07:26 PM  

Oakenshield: Yes, but let's all just agree that Apple's controls on their app store are megalomaniacal.


I think the 30% cut they want is laughably high and their attitude sucks. But the 'benevolent dictator' method of vetting all apps does have merit it terms of security.

Lets be honest, every Thanksgiving/Christmas their is a massive thread about people having to scrape this years infestation off the machine(s) in their parents/grandparents houses. Usually interspaced with people cheerleading for either Linux or OS X, who do make occasional good points about the lack of bartering for food they got up to. Smartphone's are appearing with such people now...

Do you really want to have to scrape that shiat off their cell phone now as well? Fark. That.
 
2012-05-04 02:12:09 PM  

JohnBigBootay: Vaneshi: Ohh so these people aren't after your financial details.

Dunno who they are or what they are after. And I have no twitter or facebook accounts. I DO like my videos to play, and they do.


Oddly enough, YouTube plays just fine on devices without Flash. I distinctly remember my G1 doing it.

Trust me though, they're after the money.
 
2012-05-04 02:26:15 PM  

Vaneshi: Oddly enough, YouTube plays just fine on devices without Flash. I distinctly remember my G1 doing it.

Trust me though, they're after the money.



Everyone is after the money. That will never change. They're after your money too. I'm just not choosing my phone platform based on some scare tactic horseshiat. The vast majority of consumer-level banking fraud still happens the old fashioned way - stolen forged checks. But I still get my mail in the mailbox like everyone else. I didn't move or cancel the farking mail when I had some checks stolen.
 
2012-05-04 03:04:31 PM  
So, it has come to this.
 
2012-05-04 03:07:51 PM  
But they will still say "people who like WP is paid by Microsoft" in threads
 
2012-05-04 03:26:42 PM  

redpanda2: Read your app permissions people.


Basically the stupid people download this crap, just like the idiots who download spyware to PCs.
 
2012-05-04 03:33:35 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: But they will still say "people who like WP is paid by Microsoft" in threads


I don't have a windows phone. But I've played with a couple and I must say the latest generation is pretty slick.
 
2012-05-04 03:49:29 PM  

Vaneshi: Do you really want to have to scrape that shiat off their cell phone now as well? Fark. That.


Is there a Firefox analogue for smart phones yet? A way to run Noscript, Adblock, and other ad/cookie/malware blockers? Or are you forced to use Safari/Chrome mobile version?
 
2012-05-04 03:52:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: drjekel_mrhyde: But they will still say "people who like WP is paid by Microsoft" in threads

I don't have a windows phone. But I've played with a couple and I must say the latest generation is pretty slick.


I have a Lumia 900 but that damn HTC One X is pretty dam slick
 
2012-05-04 04:18:05 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-05-04 04:19:52 PM  
Serious hypocrisy here (I know, "welcome to Fark"...). If these had all been iPhones and Apple was leaving malware on their servers for weeks at a time the fandroids would be all over Apple and iPhone users, calling Apple evil and their customers gullible kool-aid drinkers, etc..

But since it's Android it's "read your app permissions people"?

lame.

/has neither
 
2012-05-04 05:38:04 PM  

spacebar: Serious hypocrisy here (I know, "welcome to Fark"...). If these had all been iPhones and Apple was leaving malware on their servers for weeks at a time the fandroids would be all over Apple and iPhone users, calling Apple evil and their customers gullible kool-aid drinkers, etc..

But since it's Android it's "read your app permissions people"?

lame.

/has neither


Because apple supposedly knows whats best for its end users when really its that since they brag so much any kind of attacks are downplayed or ignored by tech support, besides android and google does not say they are virus proof like the douchebags in the apple stores.

Apple hatred is their own doing by selling to tons of people who do not share their view that apple can do no wrong.
 
2012-05-04 05:49:25 PM  

Trocadero: Vaneshi: Do you really want to have to scrape that shiat off their cell phone now as well? Fark. That.

Is there a Firefox analogue for smart phones yet? A way to run Noscript, Adblock, and other ad/cookie/malware blockers? Or are you forced to use Safari/Chrome mobile version?


Why would you want Firefox? Doesn't your mobile browser go slow enough or stall enough for you?

Chrome is vastly superior. Firefox turned to junk a little over a year ago.
 
2012-05-04 06:43:41 PM  

steamingpile: spacebar: Serious hypocrisy here (I know, "welcome to Fark"...). If these had all been iPhones and Apple was leaving malware on their servers for weeks at a time the fandroids would be all over Apple and iPhone users, calling Apple evil and their customers gullible kool-aid drinkers, etc..

But since it's Android it's "read your app permissions people"?

lame.

/has neither

Because apple supposedly knows whats best for its end users when really its that since they brag so much any kind of attacks are downplayed or ignored by tech support, besides android and google does not say they are virus proof like the douchebags in the apple stores.

Apple hatred is their own doing by selling to tons of people who do not share their view that apple can do no wrong.


So Google/Android/fandroid hypocrisy is ok because they're not Apple? That's bullshiat. Google is just as bad as Apple ever was, and probably far worse.

Until the fandroids acknowledge that all their Apple butthurt is just noise.
 
2012-05-04 08:13:51 PM  

Vaneshi: ///QQ all you want about it, go argue with them.


Nothing you posted meant anything in relation to your idiotic comment about losing your bank account through Flash. You said something stupid, now acknowledge that fact.
 
2012-05-04 11:41:32 PM  
i172.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-05 01:21:43 AM  

Vaneshi: JohnBigBootay:
Oh jesus christ. Alarmist much?

Ohh so these people aren't after your financial details. They're just using malicious code to.... follow you on twitter, yes that's it obviously. Just to follow you on twitter. Maybe Facebook friend you as a last resort.

Idiot. It's always about getting at your money. Always. Splinshints:
You're not confident that you're smart enough to use Flash without having someone steal all the money out of your bank account and you want to call HIM an idiot?

Yea.. okay... HE'S the idiot....

*cough* Adobe were quite proud of the shared codebase Flash-x86 and Flash-ARM were having (until they killed any development of Flash-ARM). Except most browser based vulnerabilities we hear about come from plugin's from 3rd parties and not the actual browser itself.

So... if Flash-x86 will let 'something bad' happen (which it does) there is a very good chance that same bug exists in the, largely unsupported, Flash-ARM stuff as well.

So I'm glad we agree that him trusting a known untrustworthy piece of code does make him an idiot.


/Yes, Adobe killed flash for ARM.
//Occasional security fix is your limit and they'll be winding down that sooner or later.
///QQ all you want about it, go argue with them.


And there was a command-and-control masquerading as an stock ticker application on the app store (by Charlie Miller). Does that make the whole thing bad?

Remember, at one point, you could use a PDF to gain elevated administrative permissions on i OS (yes, this exploit only affected this platform). That makes it 10 times worse: Flash is a complete programming language, whereas a PDF is just a document markup (mostly) -- there's so much more code in Flash simply because it does more.
 
2012-05-05 01:26:30 AM  

Trocadero: Vaneshi: Do you really want to have to scrape that shiat off their cell phone now as well? Fark. That.

Is there a Firefox analogue for smart phones yet? A way to run Noscript, Adblock, and other ad/cookie/malware blockers? Or are you forced to use Safari/Chrome mobile version?


https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.firefox
http://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mobile/1.0/releasenotes/

It contains scripting elements, so it would be banned on a certain application store; Mozilla never bothered developing for it because of this.
 
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