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(NPR)   You know how all those top environmental scientists have been warning us that Greenland's glaciers are melting faster than they ever have before and could raise sea levels by six feet? Yeah, about that   (npr.org) divider line 158
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2012-05-04 09:01:20 AM  
So, there is variation in nature? Who knew?

Still, an overall INCREASE in speed of 30% is bad enough. Slower than one of their hypotheses, yes, but still far greater than the norm.

/Not sure if subby was trolling, or just ignorant.
 
2012-05-04 09:55:20 AM  
So the sea rise will merely be devastating instead of catastrophic. GLOBAL WARMING IS A LIE!
 
2012-05-04 10:27:13 AM  

msupf: Still, an overall INCREASE in speed of 30% is bad enough. Slower than one of their hypotheses, yes, but still far greater than the norm.


Yup.

Courtesy of NASA: "Between 2003 and 2005, the island's low coastal areas shed 155 gigatons (41 cubic miles) of ice per year, while snow accumulation in the interior of the ice sheet was only 54 gigatons per year. The amount of ice lost in two years is roughly the same as the amount of water that flows through the Colorado River in 12 years. "In the 1990s, the ice was very close to balance with gains at about the same level as losses. That situation has now changed significantly," said lead researcher Scott Luthcke of the Planetary Geodynamics Laboratory at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center." All data from direct satellite observations.

www.arctic.noaa.gov

Data above are courtesy of NOAA.

Some of the data gets reported in terms of the area covered by ice, which can be misleading. What you're concerned about from a thermodynamics perspective is the mass (or roughly equivalently, volume) of ice, which means you need the newer satellite data to map glacier thickness.
 
2012-05-04 10:27:44 AM  
It is not the data. It is the predictions based on the data. The PREDICTIONS.

This is not a scientist

melissatarot.files.wordpress.com

and what she does is GARBAGE.

i1208.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-04 10:56:34 AM  
Warmer thread!
 
2012-05-04 11:00:58 AM  
Let's keep collecting and refining data.
 
2012-05-04 11:08:52 AM  

DirtyDeadGhostofEbenezerCooke: It is not the data. It is the predictions based on the data. The PREDICTIONS.

This is not a scientist

[melissatarot.files.wordpress.com image 224x192]

and what she does is GARBAGE.

[i1208.photobucket.com image 400x300]


Huh? One common measure of a scientific theory's importance is its predictive capacity. We launch satellites and treat tumors based on "PREDICTIONS". Are you arguing that isn't a scientific process?

As for overall climate:

www.skepticalscience.com

The oft-cited 1988 predictions by NASA were a little high, but given the state of computation in 1988 it's not that surprising that he didn't nail it. Also, part of NASA's errors stem from a failure to predict the impact of two economic/policy issues-- the rising use and value of natural gas meant methane leakage was greatly slowed as drillers sought to capture it, and the Montreal Protocols worked faster and better than anyone imagined they could. It's hard to blame NASA for missing that when you look at the trends through 1988.

icp.giss.nasa.gov

water.usgs.gov
 
2012-05-04 12:07:03 PM  

chimp_ninja: Huh? One common measure of a scientific theory's importance is its predictive capacity. We launch satellites and treat tumors based on "PREDICTIONS". Are you arguing that isn't a scientific process?


Pshaw! Short term orbital mechanics are cherry pie compared to predicting long-term complex systems like an atmosphere. Science isn't omniscience yet.

And we all know that medicine is all Lupus.or something else and if 'something else', poison it or cut it out and see what happens. That's not so much prediction as. 'Welp! hope this works this time!'
 
2012-05-04 12:30:37 PM  
If anyone reads that article and walks away with "HA! There's no problem with Greenland's ice! It's all hippie talk!", that person is a retard. As in 'bike helmet and drool cup' retard.
 
2012-05-04 12:49:07 PM  
Looks like I'll be SUV shopping this weekend.

/Not really.
 
2012-05-04 12:50:31 PM  
"If the world's big glaciers were on their way to a 10-fold speedup, that could lead to a staggering 6 feet of sea level rise by the end of this century."

I'll be dead. I don't care.
 
2012-05-04 12:52:01 PM  
Regardless, I just hope a "Waterworld" remake never happens.
 
2012-05-04 12:52:08 PM  

CitizenTed: If anyone reads that article and walks away with "HA! There's no problem with Greenland's ice! It's all hippie talk!", that person is a retard. As in 'bike helmet and drool cup' retard.


i.imgur.com

How we make 'em.
 
2012-05-04 12:53:17 PM  

Talos: "If the world's big glaciers were on their way to a 10-fold speedup, that could lead to a staggering 6 feet of sea level rise by the end of this century."

I'll be dead. I don't care.


The official line of the Baby Boomers and the G.O.P., ladies and gentlemen.
 
2012-05-04 12:53:57 PM  
Is climate change occurring? Almost certainly.

Are humans/civilization affecting the climate, and rate of change? Definitely.

Does anyone or any scientific body have any real idea of the EXTENT of these effects on or with each other? Not. At. All.

Nobody can say with any certainty whether this is a natural change accelerated by humans, a change onset ONLY by humans, or some combination of both. Nobody can say how much effect humanity is having on the climate with ANY certainty whatsoever.

So can we please stop pretending we do?
 
2012-05-04 12:54:20 PM  
I've read that if all the ice melts on the planet it will only raise the ocean level 36 feet. This would mean that parts of the coast would be underwater as well as the entire state of Florida.

/We could only be so lucky.
 
2012-05-04 12:56:14 PM  
You've got cancer, but only a little.
 
2012-05-04 12:56:19 PM  
healthculturesociety.wikispaces.com
Oblig?
 
2012-05-04 12:56:28 PM  

Citrate1007: I've read that if all the ice melts on the planet it will only raise the ocean level 36 feet. This would mean that parts of the coast would be underwater as well as the entire state of Florida.

/We could only be so lucky.


I always wondered about the Coral Reefs. Wouldn't global warming be great news for the reefs?
 
2012-05-04 12:58:03 PM  

Citrate1007: This would mean that parts of the coast would be underwater as well as the entire state of Florida.


I live a half-mile from Tampa Bay and I'm at 43'. Orlando is around 100'.
 
2012-05-04 12:58:23 PM  
Turns out that sea levels have been rising for the past 13,000 years.
It's how the Chesapeake Bay was made. Look it up.

Humans didn't do that.
 
2012-05-04 12:59:12 PM  
B b b but GLOBAL WARMING!!!!!! Errr. CLIMATE CHANGE!!!!!11-'b b n1!!

Has the thread already started with people who know absolutely nothing whipping out thier epeens to see who's global warming graphs look more authentic and have we started the "I posted more graphs in my post so I'm more legit than you!"?

Have we started the rather than admit we were wrong let's mock those who are proved right and call this an isolated or even "expected" event all along when that wasn't what we were saying before?

/checks thread, why yes we have. Peace wiggas I'm out.
 
2012-05-04 12:59:39 PM  
Well then, I can get back to worrying about: crazy nut jobs locating a atom bomb, tornados, hurricanes, earthquakes, volcanos, el niño, Africanized bees, the looming national debt, Mexican drug cartels, al Qaeda, the apocalypse and who is going to win American idol this year.

/ hope I didn't miss anything

// let's all sing the doom song
 
2012-05-04 01:02:56 PM  

grinding_journalist: Is climate change occurring? Almost certainly.

Are humans/civilization affecting the climate, and rate of change? Definitely.

Does anyone or any scientific body have any real idea of the EXTENT of these effects on or with each other? Not. At. All.

Nobody can say with any certainty whether this is a natural change accelerated by humans, a change onset ONLY by humans, or some combination of both. Nobody can say how much effect humanity is having on the climate with ANY certainty whatsoever.

So can we please stop pretending we do?


Fine. So let's cut back on the carbon since we know it does have SOME effect because running an experiment to see how drastic it is is a goddamned stupid thing to do FROM INSIDE THE farkING TEST TUBE.
 
2012-05-04 01:03:09 PM  
"My guess, and it is a guess, is probably a meter or less - 3 feet or less."
Three feet higher ocean around the world? That's a farkload of water. Maybe we just try to reduce unnecessary polluting just in case? How about it?
 
2012-05-04 01:03:18 PM  

tricycleracer: Citrate1007: This would mean that parts of the coast would be underwater as well as the entire state of Florida.

I live a half-mile from Tampa Bay and I'm at 43'. Orlando is around 100'.


I know that Crestview is at something like 300 ft which is too bad because I wouldn't mind seeing Crestview at the bottom of the ocean.
 
2012-05-04 01:03:46 PM  

grinding_journalist: Nobody can say with any certainty whether this is a natural change accelerated by humans, a change onset ONLY by humans, or some combination of both.


"Any certainty" is a weasel term. Yes, we can say that with some certainty. It is very likely that humans are responsible for most of the warming past the mid-20th century, and that humans were responsible for some but not most of the warming in the 50-100 years preceding that. We can also say that the warming due to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 likely lies in the range of 2 to 4.5 degrees Celsius. It's not certainty, but it's not infinite uncertainty, either.
 
2012-05-04 01:04:00 PM  

grinding_journalist: Is climate change occurring? Almost certainly.

Are humans/civilization affecting the climate, and rate of change? Definitely.

Does anyone or any scientific body have any real idea of the EXTENT of these effects on or with each other? Not. At. All.

Nobody can say with any certainty whether this is a natural change accelerated by humans, a change onset ONLY by humans, or some combination of both. Nobody can say how much effect humanity is having on the climate with ANY certainty whatsoever.

So can we please stop pretending we do?


Science agrees. It's impossible to observe objectively when you are part of the observable set.

So vote republican.
 
2012-05-04 01:05:25 PM  

CitizenTed: If anyone reads that article and walks away with "HA! There's no problem with Greenland's ice! It's all hippie talk!", that person is a retard. As in 'bike helmet and drool cup' retard.


I think most people with a brain read it and come back with the idea that maybe people should stop with the exaggerated predictions to support their theory. I just makes them the boy that cried wolf and then if they ever do get it right, nobody will listen.
 
2012-05-04 01:06:14 PM  
This proves beyond any doubts that global warming theory and all the bits of it are A LIE, which means Sarah Palin is automatically President, and Fartdingo has to sit over a dunk tank full of sharks.
 
2012-05-04 01:06:15 PM  
Scientists: "The climate has always changed!"
Fark: "We can stop that with legislation!"
 
2012-05-04 01:06:54 PM  

2wolves: Let's keep collecting and refining data.


Link (sound clip autoplay)
 
2012-05-04 01:07:15 PM  
Article:
"We're still seeing velocities increase so we can expect to see continued sea level rise from the Greenland ice sheet," she says. But their report in Science magazine says they aren't seeing the runaway meltdown of Greenland that some had feared. That makes sense to Joughin, given the lay of the land.

So basically subby is trying to pretend: it's not the "worst case scenario" = "Global warming is a lie"
 
2012-05-04 01:08:18 PM  

grinding_journalist: Is climate change occurring? Almost certainly.

Are humans/civilization affecting the climate, and rate of change? Definitely.

Does anyone or any scientific body have any real idea of the EXTENT of these effects on or with each other? Not. At. All.

Nobody can say with any certainty whether this is a natural change accelerated by humans, a change onset ONLY by humans, or some combination of both. Nobody can say how much effect humanity is having on the climate with ANY certainty whatsoever.

So can we please stop pretending we do?


You are trolling, right? Please tell me you are just trolling.
 
2012-05-04 01:09:03 PM  
You know how all those top environmental scientists have been warning us that Greenland's glaciers are melting faster than they ever have before and could raise sea levels by six feet? Yeah, about that, it's all true and going to happen, just slightly slower.

Oh well in that case, global warming is a myth!
 
2012-05-04 01:09:10 PM  

Ambitwistor: We can also say that the warming due to a doubling of atmospheric CO2 likely lies in the range of 2 to 4.5 degrees Celsius.


Yes, likely lies.
Weasel words. There's nothing anybody will or can do about the warming. There's not political will and there's no short-term economic or lifestyle-improvement incentive to do farkall.
Pass the chips.
 
2012-05-04 01:09:19 PM  

grinding_journalist: Nobody can say with any certainty whether this is a natural change accelerated by humans, a change onset ONLY by humans, or some combination of both. Nobody can say how much effect humanity is having on the climate with ANY certainty whatsoever.


That's not true at all!!!The IPCC report which is where scientists around the world put together all climate change data have said they are pretty certain that humans are the major contributor to global climate change.

Your statement is untrue!!!
 
2012-05-04 01:09:22 PM  
Where is nicknostrol?
 
2012-05-04 01:09:34 PM  
We've been hearing this for, what, forty years...and...no flooding!

(Except NOLA and that's happened before)

So vote how you want.
 
2012-05-04 01:09:44 PM  

Magnanimous_J: Citrate1007: I've read that if all the ice melts on the planet it will only raise the ocean level 36 feet. This would mean that parts of the coast would be underwater as well as the entire state of Florida.

/We could only be so lucky.

I always wondered about the Coral Reefs. Wouldn't global warming be great news for the reefs?


Coral reefs are already dying in great quantities from bleaching, which may or may not be due to rising temperatures, but in regards to the rise of ocean levels; Reefs live in a certain range of depth. If they are suddenly (you know, suddenly, over 100 years) much deeper where the sun can't reach them, they're pretty much toast.
 
2012-05-04 01:11:33 PM  

Citrate1007: I've read that if all the ice melts on the planet it will only raise the ocean level 36 feet. This would mean that parts of the coast would be underwater as well as the entire state of Florida.

/We could only be so lucky.


Luckily, by the time that much polar ice has melted, the North Atlantic current will shut down.

That will cool things off a bit.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2004/05mar_arcti c /
 
2012-05-04 01:12:07 PM  
"You know how all those top environmental scientists have been warning us "

knows the ones you speak of

images.wikia.com
 
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2012-05-04 01:12:13 PM  
subby: You know how all those top environmental scientists have been warning us that Greenland's glaciers are melting faster than they ever have before and could raise sea levels by six feet? Yeah, about that

"We're still seeing velocities increase so we can expect to see continued sea level rise from the Greenland ice sheet,"
-TFA
 
2012-05-04 01:12:33 PM  
No, I don't recall hearing that from many reputable sources, but just keep making shiat up anyway. That's what stupid people do.
 
2012-05-04 01:12:42 PM  
No doubt, there will be a lot of people coming in here to count to potato.....
 
2012-05-04 01:12:50 PM  

grinding_journalist: Nobody can say with any certainty whether this is a natural change accelerated by humans, a change onset ONLY by humans, or some combination of both. Nobody can say how much effect humanity is having on the climate with ANY certainty whatsoever.


Your statement is wrong.

IPCC 4th assessment Report:
Warming of the climate system is unequivocal.
Most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely (>90%) due to the observed increase in anthropogenic (human) greenhouse gas concentrations.


You're wrong. Scientists around the world have said they are pretty sure that humans are the main contributors to climate change. Saying no one knows is bullshiat.
 
2012-05-04 01:13:15 PM  

Citrate1007: I've read that if all the ice melts on the planet it will only raise the ocean level 36 feet. This would mean that parts of the coast would be underwater as well as the entire state of Florida.

/We could only be so lucky.


It's actually closer to 70 metres (220 feet). Of course, there's no chance of this happening within the next couple of hundred years.
 
2012-05-04 01:13:20 PM  
The whole article was "AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH! ZOMG!"
Then, at the end, it was like "or maybe not"
 
2012-05-04 01:13:46 PM  

grinding_journalist: Is climate change occurring? Almost certainly.

Are humans/civilization affecting the climate, and rate of change? Definitely.

Does anyone or any scientific body have any real idea of the EXTENT of these effects on or with each other? Not. At. All.

Nobody can say with any certainty whether this is a natural change accelerated by humans, a change onset ONLY by humans, or some combination of both. Nobody can say how much effect humanity is having on the climate with ANY certainty whatsoever.

So can we please stop pretending we do?


So which University did you get your PhD from? I mean, clearly you're a PhD trained climatologist familiar with all of the primary research to draw such a bold conclusion about no scientific body having any idea. It's not like you're just some internet douchebag who spent 5 seconds reading a news article, has never read any primary literature whatsoever and is now concluding "I'm unaware of it, therefore it must not exist." So I'm just curious which University you studied at.
 
2012-05-04 01:13:48 PM  
I always wondered about the Coral Reefs. Wouldn't global warming be great news for the reefs?

Unfortunately the increase in Co2 means an acidification of the oceans which is really bad for reefs.
 
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