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2012-05-04 11:58:18 AM
Linux makes fast servers. It's hard to get around that.

Microsoft makes extensible and configurable servers.

If you only need your server to do one thing, Linux is probably the way to go.
 
2012-05-04 12:01:51 PM
Because you need a complicated Operating System to run a peer to peer network?

I like Microsoft more everyday. Just not:

MSX-DOS
MS-DOS
Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1x
Windows 3.2
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows Millennium Edition
Windows NT
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs
Windows Vista
Windows Azure
Windows Home Server
Windows Server 2008
Windows 7
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Home Server 2011
Windows CE

(I will use them, I just don't like them.)
 
2012-05-04 12:04:03 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: MSX-DOS
MS-DOS
Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1x
Windows 3.2
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows Millennium Edition
Windows NT
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs
Windows Vista
Windows Azure
Windows Home Server
Windows Server 2008
Windows 7
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Home Server 2011
Windows CE


So I take it you were a fan of Microsoft Bob?
 
2012-05-04 12:16:17 PM

Fubini: Because People in power are Stupid: MSX-DOS
MS-DOS
Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1x
Windows 3.2
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows Millennium Edition
Windows NT
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs
Windows Vista
Windows Azure
Windows Home Server
Windows Server 2008
Windows 7
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Home Server 2011
Windows CE

So I take it you were a fan of Microsoft Bob?


Yes, I love it when operating systems make decisions for me.
 
2012-05-04 02:02:02 PM
They're not abandoning Microsoft product - that's missing the point (besides, Macs and Linux boxes have always been supernode-capable).

The interesting thing is that they've basically replaced their P2P network a P2P network exclusively owned and run by Microsoft.

Oh wait, maybe it's not that interesting.
 
2012-05-04 02:27:13 PM

Because People in power are Stupid:
I like Microsoft more everyday. Just not:
Windows 7
Windows Server 2008 R2


I'm not sure why you're not a fan of these two, they both work beautifully.
 
2012-05-04 02:29:54 PM
www.gearfuse.com

farm3.static.flickr.com

...and boom.
 
2012-05-04 02:30:38 PM
fark Linux
 
2012-05-04 02:31:34 PM
img.anongallery.org
(sorry for the language.)
 
2012-05-04 02:32:16 PM
I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.

It is a little quirky at times but for the most part, it's fine. One problem I'm having thought is I am trying to hang a couple older USB printers off a Sinologic file server and I can't print to either of them. I don't understand CUPS well enough to fix it.
 
2012-05-04 02:40:02 PM

cman: fark Linux


Eloquent as always
 
2012-05-04 02:46:07 PM

H31N0US: I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.

It is a little quirky at times but for the most part, it's fine. One problem I'm having thought is I am trying to hang a couple older USB printers off a Sinologic file server and I can't print to either of them. I don't understand CUPS well enough to fix it.


Ubuntu is the best! It almost works!
 
2012-05-04 02:49:22 PM
The best operating system is the one I am most familiar with.
 
2012-05-04 02:51:46 PM

HoboCop: H31N0US: I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.

It is a little quirky at times but for the most part, it's fine. One problem I'm having thought is I am trying to hang a couple older USB printers off a Sinologic file server and I can't print to either of them. I don't understand CUPS well enough to fix it.

Ubuntu is the best! It almost works!


In all fairness, printing can suck on any OS. Ask me about the HP drivers that would continually blow up the print spooler on a Windows 2000 terminal server.
 
2012-05-04 02:55:17 PM

Fubini: Linux makes fast servers. It's hard to get around that.

Microsoft makes extensible and configurable servers.

If you only need your server to do one thing, Linux is probably the way to go.


One thing per box? I think you have them backwards in that case. Its not a problem to run many servers on a single box on Linux, but heaven help you if you want to do that on Windows.
 
2012-05-04 02:55:27 PM

HoboCop: H31N0US: I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.

It is a little quirky at times but for the most part, it's fine. One problem I'm having thought is I am trying to hang a couple older USB printers off a Sinologic file server and I can't print to either of them. I don't understand CUPS well enough to fix it.

Ubuntu is the best! It almost works!


FWIW I can't print to either from my MacBook either. The XP box I had before Ubuntu...that worked. Both printers are over 5 years old: Canon MF 4100 and a Selphy 720. I just need to put some time into it I guess, and I have other things to do. Eventually my wife will nag me into it.
 
2012-05-04 02:55:51 PM

H31N0US: I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.

It is a little quirky at times but for the most part, it's fine. One problem I'm having thought is I am trying to hang a couple older USB printers off a Sinologic file server and I can't print to either of them. I don't understand CUPS well enough to fix it.


The true test is not that your parents and wife can input a username and password and find a web browser icon. A 5 year old can do that.

The true test of an OS is if you install a piece of hardware, and how long it takes to make it work.

Installing a new video card in windows == super easy

Installing a new video card in any variant of the X window system == Levels of hell Satan himself fears to tread.

Installing a printer in windows == plug and play

Installing a printer in Linux == What is paper. E-mail it to yourself noob.
 
2012-05-04 02:57:41 PM

MightyPez: HoboCop: H31N0US: I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.

It is a little quirky at times but for the most part, it's fine. One problem I'm having thought is I am trying to hang a couple older USB printers off a Sinologic file server and I can't print to either of them. I don't understand CUPS well enough to fix it.

Ubuntu is the best! It almost works!

In all fairness, printing can suck on any OS. Ask me about the HP drivers that would continually blow up the print spooler on a Windows 2000 terminal server.


Thanks, I'd almost left behind my nightmares of HP, and even worse, label printer drivers that blew up the printing subsystem.
 
2012-05-04 03:02:06 PM

fluffy2097: H31N0US: I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.

It is a little quirky at times but for the most part, it's fine. One problem I'm having thought is I am trying to hang a couple older USB printers off a Sinologic file server and I can't print to either of them. I don't understand CUPS well enough to fix it.

The true test is not that your parents and wife can input a username and password and find a web browser icon. A 5 year old can do that.

The true test of an OS is if you install a piece of hardware, and how long it takes to make it work.

Installing a new video card in windows == super easy

Installing a new video card in any variant of the X window system == Levels of hell Satan himself fears to tread.

Installing a printer in windows == plug and play

Installing a printer in Linux == What is paper. E-mail it to yourself noob.


I don't disagree. But Ubuntu is basically all I wanted to spend on a 5 year old quad core that needed to be rebuilt, and I lost my XP disk.

My next one will run W7.
 
2012-05-04 03:03:44 PM

schattenteufel: [www.gearfuse.com image 500x375]

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]

...and boom.


trololol Micro$oft totally owned, cant put winblowz on a mac stoopid headz!

oh...wait.

/use what works for you, I'll use what works for me. Free market yay!
 
2012-05-04 03:08:58 PM
http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2012/04/linux-kernel-in-2011-15-m illion-total-lines-of-code-and-microsoft-is-a-top-contributor.ars

A new addition to the list of top contributors this year was Microsoft. The Redmond giant was the 17th most prolific corporate contributor to the Linux kernel in 2011. The company first began contributing code to Linux in 2009 when it submitted patches to improve the performance of running virtualized Linux guest instances on Windows servers.

Microsoft does a lot of work for other operating systems actually.

Anyone who loves knocking them should have all of their technology taken away, cause that's what it would be like if MSFT never existed.

Hate on MS all you want, they're the reason Apple is even around these days (and I don't mean the "bail out" which never really happened... I mean driving Apple to compete and outdo)
 
2012-05-04 03:12:26 PM
Running W7 at home. No complaints yet. It's been about five months now.
 
2012-05-04 03:14:36 PM

Cooper420: Anyone who loves knocking them should have all of their technology taken away, cause that's what it would be like if MSFT never existed.


Um. No.

More often than not, Microsoft is the _last_ to adopt any technology. If you'd said Bell Labs or IBM or something, then maybe you'd be right. MS only adopts something if its either a) grown in house and will promote a lock-in to them or b) everyone else has it and they'll lose business if they don't have it. Remember: profit before technology.
 
2012-05-04 03:14:36 PM

Mr.Tangent:
/use what works for you, I'll use what works for me. Free market yay!


The OS X version of PowerPoint isn't too shabby either. I mean it's a given that the display is a powerpoint presentation right?
 
2012-05-04 03:15:25 PM

H31N0US: I don't disagree. But Ubuntu is basically all I wanted to spend on a 5 year old quad core that needed to be rebuilt, and I lost my XP disk.

My next one will run W7.


How much does it cost for a windows license? (Lets leave piracy out.)

How long does it take to setup windows to do everything you want? (hour figure)
How long does it take to setup Ubuntu to do everything you want? (hour figure)
How much are you paid to do your job (hourly)

If you are spending more time to make a free OS do what you want, you are effectively wasting money in the form of time you could be doing other things. At a certain point, the worth of those extra hours spent surpasses the cost of a license of Windows.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.
 
2012-05-04 03:15:41 PM

sprag: One thing per box? I think you have them backwards in that case. Its not a problem to run many servers on a single box on Linux, but heaven help you if you want to do that on Windows.


Good thing I didn't know that before I set up three Hyper-V boxes, running MSSQLx2, Exchange, DC, file server, an application server, a printserver, RDP server...
 
2012-05-04 03:17:13 PM

schattenteufel: [www.gearfuse.com image 500x375]

[farm3.static.flickr.com image 500x375]

...and boom.


Yeah, because Microsoft makes laptops and you can't put Windows on a Mac.
 
2012-05-04 03:21:19 PM

finnished: sprag: One thing per box? I think you have them backwards in that case. Its not a problem to run many servers on a single box on Linux, but heaven help you if you want to do that on Windows.

Good thing I didn't know that before I set up three Hyper-V boxes, running MSSQLx2, Exchange, DC, file server, an application server, a printserver, RDP server...


He might of been commenting on the additional licenses needed vs FOSS based solutions, dunno.
 
2012-05-04 03:27:22 PM

finnished: sprag: One thing per box? I think you have them backwards in that case. Its not a problem to run many servers on a single box on Linux, but heaven help you if you want to do that on Windows.

Good thing I didn't know that before I set up three Hyper-V boxes, running MSSQLx2, Exchange, DC, file server, an application server, a printserver, RDP server...


Ok, so how many separate functions are on each of those windows instances? The VMs are isolated from each other so they each count as a separate box.

I'm not saying its not doable, but in my experience it scales like crap. If it works for you, cool. For us the requirement to reboot the OS to patch (and/or install) something was a killer. When we moved to an all linux solution the availability went up substantially. I haven't had to think about windows for a few years so I'm sure its better, but its not terribly hard to run a single linux box with oracle, 2 postgres, 2 mysql, webserver, etc.
 
2012-05-04 03:29:23 PM

Vaneshi: finnished: sprag: One thing per box? I think you have them backwards in that case. Its not a problem to run many servers on a single box on Linux, but heaven help you if you want to do that on Windows.

Good thing I didn't know that before I set up three Hyper-V boxes, running MSSQLx2, Exchange, DC, file server, an application server, a printserver, RDP server...

He might of been commenting on the additional licenses needed vs FOSS based solutions, dunno.


Yeah, the licenses would suck -- but being at a university with a very nice MS site license I never had to think about it.
 
2012-05-04 03:29:23 PM

Vaneshi: He might of been commenting on the additional licenses needed vs FOSS based solutions, dunno.


With one Server 2008 Enterprise license you can run up to three guest OSs and one host OS. Also, the stand-alone Hyper-V server is free.
 
2012-05-04 03:31:09 PM
fluffy2097
How long does it take to setup windows to do everything you want? (hour figure)
How long does it take to setup Ubuntu to do everything you want? (hour figure)


Well, judging from the Laptop I'm sitting on right now and that I bought in January, it took about three or four times longer to do a factory restore and get a working Windows 7 than it took to install and get a working OpenSuSE.
 
2012-05-04 03:35:21 PM

sprag: Ok, so how many separate functions are on each of those windows instances? The VMs are isolated from each other so they each count as a separate box.


All of them could run most, if not all the guest OSs. But in practice, I have split them in tiers. One is simply for redundancy, and doesn't do much. On a day-to-day basis, the biggest one runs 1xMSSQL, Sage Application, Sage Webserver and a fileserver.

I agree with you on the reboot-to-patch problem though.
 
2012-05-04 03:43:49 PM
Hasn't Microsoft been using Linux servers for years now for different things?
 
2012-05-04 03:45:05 PM

The Voice of Doom: fluffy2097
How long does it take to setup windows to do everything you want? (hour figure)
How long does it take to setup Ubuntu to do everything you want? (hour figure)

Well, judging from the Laptop I'm sitting on right now and that I bought in January, it took about three or four times longer to do a factory restore and get a working Windows 7 than it took to install and get a working OpenSuSE.


True story: my wife got a new laptop so I wiped it and put Win7 ultimate on it. The base install went fairly quickly. Finding drivers for everything was not terrible, but it took a while. Bringing it up to date took freaking forever. Total time was more than 6 hours. The drivers all came from a single site from the OEM so it wasn't me screwing around with google.

2 months prior I got a new laptop. Wiped it and installed Fedora. Single pass to bring it completely up to date, and about 30 minutes to find the missing wireless and camera driver. Total time to a drop in replacement for my old laptop was less than 2 hours. Including restoring all of my files and settings from the previous box.

I've got no beef with windows, it just doesn't let me do what I want to do -- I run linux everywhere. I've got to maintain it for my wife and I used to admin several windows boxes for my job. It works for many people and that's cool, but it seems like a lot of the "windows is super easy to set up" comes from people which aren't doing bare metal installs on some random hardware...
 
2012-05-04 03:59:01 PM
my wife's running windows seven on a rompin-stompin six-core, helluva machine etc. she rather enjoys it. very stable, fast, looks good.

i'm running linux mint(katya) on a single core sempron with approximately 1/4th the system resources.

my machine's as fast as hers. speed test check.

we slapped on a printer(some HP number). worked out of the box for both of us(which shocked me, i thought she'd have to find some funky 64 bit drivers for it).

new video card for me was plug/play up till a kernel patch dropped. old card still works great tho. x server update was actually pretty fascinating to do(first time. much much easier than advertised).

played video games no problem. sure, portal took a tiny bit of fiddling with some DLLs, but nothing that a quick skim of the appdb couldn't solve. her machine crashes every time she loads portal 2 because her processor isn't supported very well.

overall a rather nice experience, i'd say. i like linux(mint at least).
 
2012-05-04 04:16:32 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Fubini: Because People in power are Stupid: MSX-DOS
MS-DOS
Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1x
Windows 3.2
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows Millennium Edition
Windows NT
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs
Windows Vista
Windows Azure
Windows Home Server
Windows Server 2008
Windows 7
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Home Server 2011
Windows CE

So I take it you were a fan of Microsoft Bob?

Yes, I love it when operating systems make decisions for me.


So do I. The rest of us are far safer.
 
2012-05-04 04:25:57 PM
H31N0US

I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.


What windows manager?

I've run suse / kde for years, but suse 11.4 has me so p.o'ed I'm ready to bail.

// On the off chance anyone involved in suse is reading this, please diaf.
 
2012-05-04 04:32:55 PM

buttery_shame_cave: my wife's running windows seven on a rompin-stompin six-core, helluva machine etc. she rather enjoys it. very stable, fast, looks good.

i'm running linux mint(katya) on a single core sempron with approximately 1/4th the system resources.

my machine's as fast as hers. speed test check.

we slapped on a printer(some HP number). worked out of the box for both of us(which shocked me, i thought she'd have to find some funky 64 bit drivers for it).

new video card for me was plug/play up till a kernel patch dropped. old card still works great tho. x server update was actually pretty fascinating to do(first time. much much easier than advertised).

played video games no problem. sure, portal took a tiny bit of fiddling with some DLLs, but nothing that a quick skim of the appdb couldn't solve. her machine crashes every time she loads portal 2 because her processor isn't supported very well.

overall a rather nice experience, i'd say. i like linux(mint at least).


Ok, if your single core sempron is as fast as her brand new Windows 7 machine then something is completely wrong. I use both OSs on a daily basis (I develop across multiple platforms) and this is not even close to accurate, unless she has something physically wrong with her hardware or some sort of malware. I'd be very curious as to your "speed check", my guess is its complete bunk.

I love GNU/Linux, and strive to use it as much as possible, but I recognize that performance-wise, if they are both configured properly, the difference should be (and mostly is) negligible. The claim that Linux is inherently faster than Windows is just simply not true.

I will say this though, my past few installs on my laptop have been actually easier in Linux as my video card drivers were installed by default (well the open-source ones) along with the synaptic touchpad drivers and my WiFi. In Windows, none of those things worked out of the box. I have to download my drivers from NVidia's site, and get my WiFi and synaptic drivers from Lenovo. Then there are the chipset drivers, my USB 3.0 Renesas driver, the driver for my fingerprint scanner. All things OpenSUSE was able to recognize right out of the box but Windows required downloads for.
 
2012-05-04 04:39:34 PM

fluffy2097: H31N0US: I don't disagree. But Ubuntu is basically all I wanted to spend on a 5 year old quad core that needed to be rebuilt, and I lost my XP disk.

My next one will run W7.

How much does it cost for a windows license? (Lets leave piracy out.)

How long does it take to setup windows to do everything you want? (hour figure)
How long does it take to setup Ubuntu to do everything you want? (hour figure)
How much are you paid to do your job (hourly)

If you are spending more time to make a free OS do what you want, you are effectively wasting money in the form of time you could be doing other things. At a certain point, the worth of those extra hours spent surpasses the cost of a license of Windows.

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.


Your argument assumes incorrectly that Windows takes less time to set up than Linux.

As the type of dork who OCD'ly reformats my Linux and Windows 7 drives every six to twelve months, I can assure you that Windows takes a hell of a lot longer due to Microsoft's incremental patching strategy and proprietary product fragmentation. By a factor of three to four.

And then there's the quality of time spent: I can spend three minutes picking all the already-patched programs I want from a Linux repository and go grab a beer and watch tv while it sets itself up. Windows is far more manual (I really hate EULAs and "install wizards").
 
2012-05-04 04:46:11 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: As the type of dork who OCD'ly reformats my Linux and Windows 7 drives every six to twelve months, I can assure you that Windows takes a hell of a lot longer due to Microsoft's incremental patching strategy and proprietary product fragmentation. By a factor of three to four.


And you haven't made a slip-streamed install CD for yourself by now? You can put all the service packs and increment updates right into it. Saves a lot of "doing other stuff while the computer runs windows update" time. It can even do drivers and be automated to click all the next buttons for you.

Tell me, If I put my ubuntu CD from 2005 into my PC and tried to install it. How long would I spend updating things as opposed to going to ubuntu's website and downloading the latest stable build? How well would that upgrade work?
 
2012-05-04 04:52:59 PM

Babwa Wawa: They're not abandoning Microsoft product - that's missing the point (besides, Macs and Linux boxes have always been supernode-capable).

The interesting thing is that they've basically replaced their P2P network a P2P network exclusively owned and run by Microsoft.

Oh wait, maybe it's not that interesting.


This is all about government surveillance. That is sort of interesting.
 
2012-05-04 05:30:04 PM

timujin: I'm not sure why you're not a fan of these two, they both work beautifully.


The Windows 7 taskbar is the worst thing since the Vista task bar. My favorite part is that if you right-click on a taskbar button and say, "Close all windows," but one of those windows wants to pop-up a dialog box before it will close, that window will not jump to front, the dialog box will not pop to the front, and in fact- nothing happens. And the lack of "bring all windows (of this application) to front" is almost as annoying.

And someday, someday, Windows will actually have a decent CLI. PowerShell is close, but there are too many apps that don't support it.
 
2012-05-04 07:02:35 PM
OnlyM3
I've run suse / kde for years, but suse 11.4 has me so p.o'ed I'm ready to bail.


Warning: don't upgrade to 12.1 if you use kmail and don't have some time; best strategy probably is to copy all your old settings and emails and then start fresh. kmail got rewritten and with kmail2 they really, royally f*cked up the migration. Not quite sure about kontact in case you use that one, too.

Also, all that nepomuk and akonadi background garbage HAS to be enabled now.

Oh, and the third thing (or rather the one thing that's SuSE and not kde): postfix doesn't start automatically unless ; that's sort of a known bug, but from what I've figured, it won't be fixed with an update in 12.1 because updates silently (re-)enabling services sounds like a bad idea.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound
And then there's the quality of time spent: I can spend three minutes picking all the already-patched programs I want from a Linux repository and go grab a beer and watch tv while it sets itself up. Windows is far more manual (I really hate EULAs and "install wizards").


I believe you'll like this: http://ninite.com
That website has a list of some of the most common free programs people use under Windows, you select the ones you want and the site gives you a little exe that'll automatically download and install your selection of programs without any interaction (by using 'sane' default settings/answers for stuff the install wizards would've asked).
 
2012-05-04 07:06:28 PM

Because People in power are Stupid: Because you need a complicated Operating System to run a peer to peer network?

I like Microsoft more everyday. Just not:

MSX-DOS
MS-DOS
Windows 1.0
Windows 2.0
Windows 3.0
Windows 3.1x
Windows 3.2
Windows 95
Windows 98
Windows Millennium Edition
Windows NT
Windows 2000
Windows XP
Windows Server 2003
Windows Fundamentals for Legacy PCs
Windows Vista
Windows Azure
Windows Home Server
Windows Server 2008
Windows 7
Windows Server 2008 R2
Windows Home Server 2011
Windows CE

(I will use them, I just don't like them.)


What about Microsoft XENIX?
 
2012-05-04 07:09:20 PM

fluffy2097: H31N0US: I'm running Ubuntu at home. The true test is that my wife, mom and dad have logged in and used it without problems.

It is a little quirky at times but for the most part, it's fine. One problem I'm having thought is I am trying to hang a couple older USB printers off a Sinologic file server and I can't print to either of them. I don't understand CUPS well enough to fix it.

The true test is not that your parents and wife can input a username and password and find a web browser icon. A 5 year old can do that.

The true test of an OS is if you install a piece of hardware, and how long it takes to make it work.

Installing a new video card in windows == super easy

Installing a new video card in any variant of the X window system == Levels of hell Satan himself fears to tread.

Installing a printer in windows == plug and play

Installing a printer in Linux == What is paper. E-mail it to yourself noob.


Want to know how I know you haven't touched Linux in at least ten years?
 
2012-05-04 07:13:23 PM

bodangly: buttery_shame_cave: my wife's running windows seven on a rompin-stompin six-core, helluva machine etc. she rather enjoys it. very stable, fast, looks good.

i'm running linux mint(katya) on a single core sempron with approximately 1/4th the system resources.

my machine's as fast as hers. speed test check.

we slapped on a printer(some HP number). worked out of the box for both of us(which shocked me, i thought she'd have to find some funky 64 bit drivers for it).

new video card for me was plug/play up till a kernel patch dropped. old card still works great tho. x server update was actually pretty fascinating to do(first time. much much easier than advertised).

played video games no problem. sure, portal took a tiny bit of fiddling with some DLLs, but nothing that a quick skim of the appdb couldn't solve. her machine crashes every time she loads portal 2 because her processor isn't supported very well.

overall a rather nice experience, i'd say. i like linux(mint at least).

Ok, if your single core sempron is as fast as her brand new Windows 7 machine then something is completely wrong. I use both OSs on a daily basis (I develop across multiple platforms) and this is not even close to accurate, unless she has something physically wrong with her hardware or some sort of malware. I'd be very curious as to your "speed check", my guess is its complete bunk.

I love GNU/Linux, and strive to use it as much as possible, but I recognize that performance-wise, if they are both configured properly, the difference should be (and mostly is) negligible. The claim that Linux is inherently faster than Windows is just simply not true.

I will say this though, my past few installs on my laptop have been actually easier in Linux as my video card drivers were installed by default (well the open-source ones) along with the synaptic touchpad drivers and my WiFi. In Windows, none of those things worked out of the box. I have to download my drivers from NVidia's site, and get my WiFi a ...


Depends on the DE. If you are using GNOME 3 or KDE than it'll match Vista/7 in speed. If you are using LXDE, GNOME 2, or even the now bloated XFCE it'll be faster. There are areas such as copying files where Linux blows the lid off of Windows but it struggles a little on network browsing for some reason (at least on GNOME).
 
2012-05-04 07:27:31 PM

fluffy2097: And you haven't made a slip-streamed install CD for yourself by now? You can put all the service packs and increment updates right into it. Saves a lot of "doing other stuff while the computer runs windows update" time. It can even do drivers and be automated to click all the next buttons for you.


Heh. Slipstreaming is how I got into Linux about six and a half years ago. My Dell box exploded (literally - the fan stopped; the CPU overheated and there were sparks). WinXP wouldn't recognize the SATA drives in the PC I built from parts and so I found out about slipstreaming while looking for a solution. I then uncrossed my eyes and decided it was a pretty good time to try that Windows-free experiment I'd been meaning to do since Linux could not possibly be worse than that [Went five years before I landed a pretty sweet gig, decided I proved my point and that it was time to splurge on a new toy]

I will never, for the life of me, understand the sort of mentality that pitches a fit about using command lines and recompiling a kernel in Linux yet finds slipstreaming to be perfectly acceptable. A quick google search shows that it's matured a bit in the past half dozen years but it's still looks pretty unpleasant.

Anyways, thanks for the heads up but I'm only ever in Windows to play League of Legends and occasionally a Steam game that I can't be assed to get working in Wine. I'm actually kind of ashamed that I haven't gotten into VMs yet, so I think that might be my next project. I'll just have to fight the irrational urge to give Windows a spring cleaning. :P

t3knomanser: And the lack of "bring all windows (of this application) to front" is almost as annoying.


It's the simple things, right? It would be awesome if the Windows WM had the default options of "Always on Top" or opacity. Sometimes I need to do data entry or visual comparisons as part of my work and I don't always have the luxury of two monitors. The support for it is clearly in there, but it's just something they never bothered to put in the right-click context menu.
 
2012-05-04 07:32:48 PM

The Voice of Doom: I believe you'll like this: http://ninite.com
That website has a list of some of the most common free programs people use under Windows, you select the ones you want and the site gives you a little exe that'll automatically download and install your selection of programs without any interaction (by using 'sane' default settings/answers for stuff the install wizards would've asked).


Bookmarked.

Thanks!
 
2012-05-04 07:58:39 PM

deadcrickets: Want to know how I know you haven't touched Linux in at least ten years?


No kidding. Hell, I started using Linux in 2007, when I was basically forced into it. I'd heard horror stories about recompiling kernels and such, and was pleasantly surprised that the only issue I had was with my wireless card. I can't believe how much progress Linux has made in since then, either. Ubuntu 12.04 has been incredibly easy. I think it took all of a half hour to install, and I haven't found an accessory that's not plug-and-play.
 
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