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(Fox News)   Stop me if you've heard this one before: A group of veterans, acting totally on their own of course and not as an arm of any political campaign, has organized to express their outrage over how the president is handling his military record   (politics.blogs.foxnews.com) divider line 170
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2012-05-04 02:05:56 PM
What the hell does this have to do with the real problems in America, jobs and debt? Hmm? What does killing Enemy Number One have to do with the real issues facing America now?

Oh yeah, well first cutting off the head of Al Queda means we can start bringing troops home without a major enemy still around. Afghanistan is a mess. It's unwinnable, and they don't even want us there. Let's bring our troops home. Then let's start cutting the military budget, big time. Let's raise taxes on the rich. Let's start cutting programs left and right to get the deficit down, but make sure that the programs you cut make sense, and let's make sure we're reinvesting in the privatization for any jobs that would be lost by cutting programs.

Shut up about bin Laden. Obama gave credit where it was due, he was solemn about it, and yes he took some credit for himself, which he deserved.

Our country is run by farking idiots. People who don't understand facts. People who are more worried about sharia law in America than the fundamentalist nutjobs we elected to office and who bring their nutjob ideas and try to pass bills about gay marriage when the problem is, very obviously, debt and jobs.

My biggest criticism of the Democrats is that they really don't have a very good debt relief package, other than the tax cut expiration which will do more for the debt than anything the morons in Congress could ever conceive of.
 
2012-05-04 02:06:03 PM
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Stop me if you've heard this one before: A stupid "news" site, acting totally on their infinite supply of derp of course and not as an arm of the Teabaggers and the Republican party.
 
2012-05-04 02:07:28 PM

CitizenTed:
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Is that...
Is that... a...
Is that a TELEPROMPTER?

Must be shopped in. No Republican would ever use a teleprompter, since they're unMerican.
 
2012-05-04 02:07:54 PM
Obama is a genius. The campaign released one ad on Osama bin Laden, GOP does the rest by spending millions more than the Obama campaign to keeping the issue always on air. Very efficient use of campaign money.
 
2012-05-04 02:08:11 PM
Is subby talking about the veterans who swiftbutted Larry Craig?
 
2012-05-04 02:08:46 PM

odinsposse: It's wrong to be too happy about killing terrorists. Or something. I really can't make sense of this one.

It's just a fundamental flaw of conservative character that they can't admit that liberals can do good things. At least they aren't hypocritically trashing someone for their military record again.


It's wrong for a democrat to be happy about killing a terrorist. Clearly killing one would go against the double secret kenyan socialist pact that Obama made to sell our children to Iran and force our men to be sterilized.

or something.
 
2012-05-04 02:08:54 PM

odinsposse: It's wrong to be too happy about killing terrorists. Or something. I really can't make sense of this one.


I can't either.

The general idea seems to be that Obama is taking too much credit for killing bin Laden, which I guess is at least a legitimate complaint whether you agree with it or not.

But the way Republicans are framing this with the "spiking the football" and "beneath the office of the president" nonsense makes it sound like they're saying we should be more respectful of dead terrorists.

I don't get it, and I doubt the people they are trying to sway do either.
 
2012-05-04 02:09:02 PM
Swiftboats away!

Anyone surprised by this? Anyone? If it had been under Bush, it would be national "George W. Killed Bin Laden with His Bare Hands and Cowboy Hat Day".
 
2012-05-04 02:09:28 PM
When Democrats do it, it's dumb

24ahead.com

When Republicans do it, it's yippeee!!! freedom fries!!! greeted as liberators!!1

poorwilliam.net
 
2012-05-04 02:09:59 PM

SenorPez: CitizenTed:
[blogs.e-rockford.com image 413x310]

Is that...
Is that... a...
Is that a TELEPROMPTER?

Must be shopped in. No Republican would ever use a teleprompter, since they're unMerican.


Nope, it's a freedomprompter. Your confusion is understandable, since it looks and functions exactly like a teleprompter; the key difference is that the freedomprompter is used by Republicans when they are advancing freedom, and a teleprompter is used by Democrats when they are destroying freedom.
 
2012-05-04 02:10:06 PM

impaler: mrshowrules: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It might have worked except for one thing. They got Romney on record as saying he wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get OBL.

Also this:

This is not some obscure web-only political ad. This is the Republican convention:
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that "tribute" was a farking atrocity.
 
2012-05-04 02:10:23 PM

JAYoung: Preaching to the choir only works on the choir.


In their defense, the choir is really copiously-soiled-flaming-underpants-on-head retarded.
 
2012-05-04 02:10:42 PM

Expolaris: odinsposse: It's wrong to be too happy about killing terrorists. Or something. I really can't make sense of this one.

It's just a fundamental flaw of conservative character that they can't admit that liberals can do good things. At least they aren't hypocritically trashing someone for their military record again.

It's wrong for a democrat to be happy about killing a terrorist. Clearly killing one would go against the double secret kenyan socialist pact that Obama made to sell our children to Iran and force our men to be sterilized.

or something.


When I posted about Obama and the killing, I was actually flames on facebook by a arch conservative who claimed Obama deserved no credit, and that liberals and democrats are a terrorists best friend, and that I should just move to China or Russia.

I don't fully understand that ether, but there you go.
 
2012-05-04 02:11:05 PM

Masso: Obama is a genius. The campaign released one ad on Osama bin Laden, GOP does the rest by spending millions more than the Obama campaign to keeping the issue always on air. Very efficient use of campaign money.


Wasn't it a web ad, too? So they paid next to nothing to air it, and then the GOP spent an enormous amount of effort keeping it in the news. GENIUS
 
2012-05-04 02:11:18 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: When Democrats do it, it's dumb

[24ahead.com image 300x300]

When Republicans do it, it's yippeee!!! freedom fries!!! greeted as liberators!!1

[poorwilliam.net image 320x480]


Dukakis - ass handed to him on 1988.
Bush - wins 2nd turn without Supreme Court help this time.

Yep, that seems to be how it goes.
 
2012-05-04 02:11:32 PM
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2012-05-04 02:11:36 PM
They are really gonna try the "didn't give enough credit" card in a Swiftboat-esque campaign to try to make Obama look bad for killing Osama Bin Laden?

The "some of the people you can fool all of the time" who were never gonna vote Dem anyways will buy in but to anyone who lives outside the echo chambers of RW reality denying derp it will look like what it is.

Which is to say, a mean spirited, petty, partisan political attack that goes beyond the pale.

2012 election is gonna be national IQ test.

Only one question.

Here's a practice run...

Will the country that rewarded the guy who sat on his hands on 9/11 (and let OBL run lose in order to keep his insane GWOT terror going on much longer than it should have) with a second term will that nation then go on to not re-elect the guy who actually went after OBL and got him over the objections of not only every GOPher on the face of the earth but people in his own party as well?

Times up. Pens down. How'd ya do?

Seriously, if you guys flunk this one then 'Idiocracy' has become prophecy.
 
2012-05-04 02:14:10 PM

Antimatter: Expolaris: odinsposse: It's wrong to be too happy about killing terrorists. Or something. I really can't make sense of this one.

It's just a fundamental flaw of conservative character that they can't admit that liberals can do good things. At least they aren't hypocritically trashing someone for their military record again.

It's wrong for a democrat to be happy about killing a terrorist. Clearly killing one would go against the double secret kenyan socialist pact that Obama made to sell our children to Iran and force our men to be sterilized.

or something.

When I posted about Obama and the killing, I was actually flames on facebook by a arch conservative who claimed Obama deserved no credit, and that liberals and democrats are a terrorists best friend, and that I should just move to China or Russia.

I don't fully understand that ether, but there you go.


Don't you wish you could disable comments on your own Facebook posts? That would be a simple solution if you wanted to post an article or something without inviting the trolls to even start.
 
2012-05-04 02:15:15 PM

platedlizard: Any time someone thanks my sister of her service they get a bitter snarl. For her it was just another shiatty job in her past and she's much prouder and happier about working in a sewage treatment facility. So if you see her, thank her for cleaning up your shiat, not for being in the Marines.

/sewage treatment is the basis of civilization


They're both noble callings, and they're both jobs which need to be done. But we romanticize/politicize military service while we ignore those who actually keep our country in motion.
 
2012-05-04 02:15:43 PM
GOP Butthurt... Water wet.
 
2012-05-04 02:17:15 PM

Mrtraveler01: timujin: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

unlikely.

The GOP has been trying to turn this on Obama for a few weeks now and it just keeps getting better for him. Keep reminding the people that it was a Democrat that handed down the order to kill bin Laden, folks, see how that works out for you.

Yeah, outside of the echo chamber. I don't think anyone is taking any of this seriously.

I mean we heard the GOP talk about 9/11 for nearly 10 goddamn years to legitimize every stupid and boneheaded policy they came up with and now they're saying it's excessive to talk about killing Bin Laden?

Fark them! Fark them with a tent pole.

/rant off


hmm...

random start of a thread that might lead to a theory...

The GOP has become the "victimization" party, right? So for ten years it's been 9/11, 9/11, 9/11!!! Because we, the American people, were the victims, so it fits in with the general platform. As soon as we're the victors, though, it's time to shut up about it, especially since it wasn't a Republican in charge when it happened.
 
2012-05-04 02:17:16 PM
I take it this is another one of those 'grass roots' organisations.
 
2012-05-04 02:17:57 PM
Do people that matter read the politics threads? I wonder about that. If they do, here's my two cents:

stop trying to turn this into a negative for Obama, it's just going to get worse for you. Like the "war on women," it's about policy, not appearance. Obama made it his policy to get bin Ladin regardless of his location. His POLICY worked. Get some policy of your own besides "f*ck the poor," and maybe people will take you seriously.
 
2012-05-04 02:18:01 PM
Well, as the top guy, any plan that was created to get bin Laden had to be given his blessing. And once that plan was created, he had to give Seal Team Six the go-ahead to do the job. So, you know, Obama created the jobs for Seal Team Six that night.

Why you do hate job creators, GOP?
 
2012-05-04 02:18:50 PM

Mrtraveler01: timujin: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

unlikely.

The GOP has been trying to turn this on Obama for a few weeks now and it just keeps getting better for him. Keep reminding the people that it was a Democrat that handed down the order to kill bin Laden, folks, see how that works out for you.

Yeah, outside of the echo chamber. I don't think anyone is taking any of this seriously.

I mean we heard the GOP talk about 9/11 for nearly 10 goddamn years to legitimize every stupid and boneheaded policy they came up with and now they're saying it's excessive to talk about killing Bin Laden?


That's because the GOP put a tremendous amount of work into orchestrating 9/11. They wanted to get their money's worth.
 
2012-05-04 02:20:05 PM

Magorn: gee I wonder what his REAL problem with Obama is, and is it really too much too ask the reporters do this basic kind of vetting for their articles?


You're just confusing the subject with your words and your researchin'! Good Americans don't question Real Americans!
 
2012-05-04 02:20:50 PM

Wyalt Derp: I take it this is another one of those 'grass roots' organisations.


You can see the grass roots there, on the bottom part of the picture.

www.americanprogressaction.org
 
2012-05-04 02:21:54 PM

quatchi: Times up. Pens down. How'd ya do?


I like turtles

www.maniacworld.com
 
2012-05-04 02:22:55 PM
There's nothing like the smell of Koch Brothers in the morning. It smells so much like.. like.. wargarble.
 
2012-05-04 02:22:59 PM
Isn't the whole reason that excessive celebration is a penalty because it does not show proper respect for your opponent?

I really don't understand the point they are trying to make.
 
2012-05-04 02:24:22 PM

unlikely: mrshowrules: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It might have worked except for one thing. They got Romney on record as saying he wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get OBL.

The problem is that these are VETERANS. The most sacred abstract in the country. You don't dare gainsay what THIS group says. They're VETERANS.

Never mind how we treat individual veterans, the actual people... we must venerate the VETERANS.

So yeah, I really do think they're going to get away with this, that it's going to work.


I think it was on the Daily show but aren't 1 of 6 homeless people Veterans?
 
2012-05-04 02:25:17 PM

mrshowrules: because keeping OBL's killing in the news is a winning GOP strategy

They should also remind voters that Obama was a socialist when he saved GM


The GOP has been throwing this election since they started pushing Rmoney 3 years ago
 
2012-05-04 02:26:26 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: quatchi: Times up. Pens down. How'd ya do?

I like turtles

[www.maniacworld.com image 337x219]


I love Turtles.
 
2012-05-04 02:26:36 PM
My God the Republicans are such TOOLS!
 
2012-05-04 02:27:22 PM

EighthDay: I have to agree. Although I suppress the urge to do so, I want to ask any vet I encounter "So, how many rapes of female soldiers did you participate in or help cover up while over there?" Especially if they're an officer. I'd be vilified to the nth degree if I tried it, despite the fact that it's happening.

While I realize that folks putting their lives on the line for their country is a quality to be respected, I'm tired of the schtick that they are above reproach and must be virtually worshiped, especially when most of our servicemen don't protect us, so much as go to random countries and kill brown people.



I'm usually more bothered when people talk about soldiers fighting for our freedom. Interests, sure. But there hasn't been a war to preserve American freedom in my lifetime.
 
2012-05-04 02:27:27 PM

cameroncrazy1984: CitizenTed: "What we're doing is we are throwing the penalty flag on President Obama for excessive celebration," the chairman of conservative political action group, Joel Arends, told Fox News host Megyn Kelley in a live interview from South Dakota. "What you've seen from President Obama is he's not only spiked the football, he's signed it, he threw it up in the stands with the fans."

My question is, if this were true, why would this be a bad thing? Weren't Americans literally dancing in the streets when they found out he was killed? Is celebrating the death of the man something the American people are going to disapprove of?


Also, if the player is from the home team, don't fans usually love that kind of stuff?
 
2012-05-04 02:27:55 PM
Opinions are like assholes, as they say...

These folks must have been pissed when Bush landed on a aircraft carrier like a war hero or when the GOP bathed themselves in 9/11 goodness during the convention... I'm sure of it. No way this is just more partisan bullshiat because the GOP is getting beat at their own game. No way.
 
2012-05-04 02:28:13 PM

A Leaf in Fall: Isn't the whole reason that excessive celebration is a penalty because it does not show proper respect for your opponent?


That's exactly my point above.

This line of attack probably resonates with people who are in the echo chamber, but to everyone else it makes them sound like they're asking pity for dead terrorists.
 
2012-05-04 02:28:17 PM
THERE IS NO FARKING FOOTBALL, ASSHOLES!

I have no problem with concerned Republicans expressing deeply felt views on this or any other issue - that's just healthly political give and take. But when you have 87 different motherfarkers all parrotting the exact same talking point for 3 days, it shows, not just a clear lack of sincerity in dealing with the issue at hand, but a broader disrespect for the basic political proccesses that govern us.
 
MFK
2012-05-04 02:28:41 PM
does anyone else find it ironic that this group is politicizing veterans by pretending to speak for all of them?
 
2012-05-04 02:28:49 PM

unlikely: mrshowrules: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It might have worked except for one thing. They got Romney on record as saying he wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get OBL.

The problem is that these are VETERANS. The most sacred abstract in the country. You don't dare gainsay what THIS group says. They're VETERANS.

Never mind how we treat individual veterans, the actual people... we must venerate the VETERANS.

So yeah, I really do think they're going to get away with this, that it's going to work.


They played this card way too soon. All it takes to counter this is a commercial with some former Navy Seal talking about how gutsy Obama's call was and then mentioning that Romney is on record saying he wouldn't so the same. No, the vet card only works as an October surprise. This early in the game, it's too easy to trace the cash and counter the move.
 
2012-05-04 02:29:33 PM

unlikely: mrshowrules: unlikely: The sad thing is that this will work.

It might have worked except for one thing. They got Romney on record as saying he wouldn't have gone into Pakistan to get OBL.

The problem is that these are VETERANS. The most sacred abstract in the country. You don't dare gainsay what THIS group says. They're VETERANS.

Never mind how we treat individual veterans, the actual people... we must venerate the VETERANS.

So yeah, I really do think they're going to get away with this, that it's going to work.


What's particularly amusing is the Obamas received an award for the work they've been doing on combating homelessness amongst veterans.

President Obama, Michelle Obama Receive Highest Award In Homeless Veteran Advocacy

On any given night last January, 67,495 homeless veterans were sleeping on the streets, a 56 percent decline since the president took office, according to the Annual Homelessness Assessment Report to Congress.

"Under the leadership of President Obama, we are witnessing unprecedented national unity in the campaign to end and prevent veteran homelessness," Patrick Ryan, Chairman of the NCHV Board of Directors, said in a press release. "The progress we have seen from the federal agencies, the Congress, the community partners NCHV represents, and the American people in just the last three years give rise to the expectation that this campaign will succeed."

Michelle Obama has been doing her part to address the range of issues veteran face, including homelessness, with the one-year-old initiative, Joining Forces, which she founded with Jill Biden.
 
2012-05-04 02:31:30 PM

DeaH: They played this card way too soon. All it takes to counter this is a commercial with some former Navy Seal talking about how gutsy Obama's call was and then mentioning that Romney is on record saying he wouldn't so the same. No, the vet card only works as an October surprise. This early in the game, it's too easy to trace the cash and counter the move.


This far out, they probably have enough time to call in one of the ST6 members that was part of the raid.
 
2012-05-04 02:32:09 PM

UCFRoadWarrior: The GOP has been throwing this election since they started pushing Rmoney 3 years ago


Notice that no one with any sense even entered the GOP primary campaign.

All the Republicans who are actually qualified are sitting this one out and waiting four years.
 
2012-05-04 02:32:12 PM
FTFA:"What you've seen from President Obama is he's not only spiked the football, he's signed it, he threw it up in the stands with the fans."

i1107.photobucket.com
Approves
 
2012-05-04 02:32:15 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: It'll work for people who are already convinced they're right.

President Obama is not Senator Kerry. The former is has the GOP quaking in its boots if you listen to them in private. The latter was just Mitt Romney's prequel.


Within weeks of Obama taking out bin Laden all the serious potential Republican presidential candidates declared they wouldn't run.
 
2012-05-04 02:33:44 PM

MFK: does anyone else find it ironic that this group is politicizing veterans by pretending to speak for all of them?


They have yellow ribbons on their cars so they must truly care about the veterans. Cutting funding for injured troops and questioning the very existence of PTSD is just tough love.
 
2012-05-04 02:34:25 PM

odinsposse: It's wrong to be too happy about killing terrorists. Or something. I really can't make sense of this one.

It's just a fundamental flaw of conservative character that they can't admit that liberals can do good things. At least they aren't hypocritically trashing someone for their military record again.


Well, it's kinds like how when Bush was president it was okay that he defined "captured on the battlefield" as it related to slapping people with the "enemy combatant" as "picked up anywhere in the world at any time doing anything"(see it was a "Global" war on terror, so by defintion the "battlefield" is the entire world-weren't they just so clever?) and even used that to hold a US citizen , arrested in the US for nearly 4 years without charge or trial

OTOH when Obama ordered a Drone strike to take out the guy who was one of Al_qaeda's most recognizable international faces, had organized bombing plots against us , and had actually explicitly renounced his citizenship and declared war on the US (and in his final article, published in this month's issue of Al-qaeda's magazine called for biological and chemical attacks on America's major cities), he was somehow a Constituion-shredding monster
 
2012-05-04 02:34:31 PM

She comes in colors everywhere: All the Republicans who are actually qualified are sitting this one out and waiting four years.


They should have at least made an attempt. Throwing this year the way that they have might decimate them downticket.
 
2012-05-04 02:35:49 PM

themadtupper: FTFA:"What you've seen from President Obama is he's not only spiked the football, he's signed it, he threw it up in the stands with the fans."


We get it. He's black.
 
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