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2012-05-04 10:00:30 AM
As good as he was, I'll never forget him blowing the save in game 4 of the 2004 ALCS against Boston. When he walked on, every single Red Sox fan knew the game and their chance at the Series was over...
 
2012-05-04 10:14:34 AM
i saw rivera at a panera in baltimore. he had a game that night, was eating lunch. i walked over to say hi to him and interrupted him during his pre-meal grace. he wasn't happy someone was interrupting him during a prayer. he says grace before each meal apparently.

/still was willing to provide an autograph
/cool story bro.
 
2012-05-04 10:44:49 AM

SlothB77: i saw rivera at a panera in baltimore. he had a game that night, was eating lunch. i walked over to say hi to him and interrupted him during his pre-meal grace. he wasn't happy someone was interrupting him during a prayer. he says grace before each meal apparently.


Why would you interrupt someone in the middle of prayer to get their autograph?
 
2012-05-04 10:47:13 AM
So did the Boston Globe, subby.

It's almost as if some players transcend teams and rivalries.
 
2012-05-04 11:04:17 AM
has anyone in any sport failed as emphatically as Rivera did in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, and gotten a free pass?

If Luis Gonzalez wasn't juicing that year, that last ball is in Jeter's glove.
 
2012-05-04 11:23:05 AM

SlothB77: i saw rivera at a panera in baltimore. he had a game that night, was eating lunch. i walked over to say hi to him and interrupted him during his pre-meal grace. he wasn't happy someone was interrupting him during a prayer. he says grace before each meal apparently.


Rivera doesn't speak to the media often, but he's devoutly religious.

Even if you didn't know that, let the man finish his prayer, especially when you're asking him for a favor.

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Hint: He's not adding a note to his friend Phil. That verse is cited on any glove he wears during a game as well.
 
2012-05-04 12:09:20 PM
I can see your pink Red Sox cap from here, submitter.
 
2012-05-04 12:19:07 PM

Gulper Eel: has anyone in any sport failed as emphatically as Rivera did in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, and gotten a free pass?

If Luis Gonzalez wasn't juicing that year, that last ball is in Jeter's glove.



You say that knowing at least half of the Yankees were also juicing, right?
 
2012-05-04 12:19:18 PM
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2012-05-04 12:22:41 PM

SlothB77: i saw rivera at a panera in baltimore. he had a game that night, was eating lunch. i walked over to say hi to him and interrupted him during his pre-meal grace. he wasn't happy someone was interrupting him during a prayer. he says grace before each meal apparently.

/still was willing to provide an autograph
/cool story bro.


are we sure it was him?
personally,i would have left him alone, he is still just a human.
 
2012-05-04 12:27:47 PM

Cagey B: I can see your pink Red Sox blatant stupidity cap from here, subtrollmitter


FTFY
 
2012-05-04 12:28:51 PM

Gulper Eel: has anyone in any sport failed as emphatically as Rivera did in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, and gotten a free pass?

If Luis Gonzalez wasn't juicing that year, that last ball is in Jeter's glove.


I thought it flew over Soriano's head not Jeter's? I remember thinking they were playing too close...then that shiatty blooper went into the shallow outfield.
 
2012-05-04 12:34:32 PM
Why is everyone saying "it shouldn't end like this?" He's a farking old man in athlete years. That's pretty much how it has to end, since his hubris prevented him from calling it quits years ago like he should've.
 
2012-05-04 12:35:31 PM

H31N0US: I thought it flew over Soriano's head not Jeter's? I remember thinking they were playing too close...then that shiatty blooper went into the shallow outfield.


It landed about a foot onto the outfield grass behind short, marking one of the rare times Tim McCarver was right about something, as he first-guessed the decision to bring the infield in because of the possibility of such a play.
 
2012-05-04 12:37:29 PM

Karma Chameleon: Why is everyone saying "it shouldn't end like this?" He's a farking old man in athlete years. That's pretty much how it has to end, since his hubris prevented him from calling it quits years ago like he should've.


Yeah, he's been washed up for years. After all, he hasn't had an ERA above 1.91 since 2007, and his highest WHIP in that time was .905. How dare he hang on with such mediocrity.
 
2012-05-04 12:40:36 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Karma Chameleon: Why is everyone saying "it shouldn't end like this?" He's a farking old man in athlete years. That's pretty much how it has to end, since his hubris prevented him from calling it quits years ago like he should've.

Yeah, he's been washed up for years. After all, he hasn't had an ERA above 1.91 since 2007, and his highest WHIP in that time was .905. How dare he hang on with such mediocrity.


He's not going to fark you.
 
2012-05-04 12:40:43 PM
Didn't know he also has 42 postseason saves. Maybe it's just meant to end now.

Still sucks about the circumstances.
 
2012-05-04 12:48:41 PM
Haven't heard news this stunning since Jacques Cousteau drowned in that bathtub accident.

/Thanks George Carlin
 
2012-05-04 12:49:32 PM

Karma Chameleon: He's not going to fark you.


Awww, damn, I've been trolled. Good work.
 
2012-05-04 12:50:45 PM

Karma Chameleon: since his hubris prevented him from calling it quits years ago like he should've.


Yes, his pathetic 2011 season really was an exercise in his inability to let go. He saved a measly 44 games that year, posting a hideous 1.91 ERA. This embarassing season was good for only 2.4 WAR, fifth among relief pitchers.
 
2012-05-04 12:52:24 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Karma Chameleon: He's not going to fark you.

Awww, damn, I've been trolled. Good work.


Aside from being trolled, the idea of arguing over a baseball point with someone using a login named after a Culture Club song says something about the awesomeness of the internet.
 
2012-05-04 01:16:22 PM
Melodramatic? Between bounties, D-Rose's ACL, and Mo's ACL, someone should inform everyone on the Devils roster that I'm a fan of their hockey team, so that they can be prepared for pianos falling out of the sky. How's that, lol.
 
2012-05-04 01:20:43 PM

robsul82: Melodramatic? Between bounties, D-Rose's ACL, and Mo's ACL, someone should inform everyone on the Devils roster that I'm a fan of their hockey team, so that they can be prepared for pianos falling out of the sky. How's that, lol.


Brodeur may be crushed under a mountain of donuts.
 
2012-05-04 02:31:03 PM

Gulper Eel: has anyone in any sport failed as emphatically as Rivera did in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, and gotten a free pass?

If Luis Gonzalez wasn't juicing that year, that last ball is in Jeter's glove.


He's also the greatest relief pitcher in the history of the game, which probably helps.

People in future generations will be as jealous of us as we are of those who watched Ruth play.
 
2012-05-04 02:42:08 PM
Well, duh. A certain Hall of Famer just had a probable career-ending injury. Everyone should be getting melodramatic over it.

/Go back to '92 and say the LA Times would be getting all "melodramatic" over Magic retiring due to HIV...I dare you...
 
2012-05-04 02:51:43 PM
Anytime I see Yankees, I always think of this. (new window) It really makes that article a lot more humorous to me.
 
2012-05-04 02:56:33 PM

I can't get the cap off!: People in future generations will be as jealous of us as we are of those who watched Ruth play.


Whoa, whoa.

Rivera is no-questions-asked the greatest closer of all time, but it's a small role relative to what Ruth added to the Yankees, both in terms of popularity (Ruth is one of the best-known athletes in American history, period), personality (ditto), and the number of wins he helped bring home. Ruth revolutionized offensive strategy in 1920. Rivera had an impact (mostly in the proliferation of the cutter), but the closer role was well-defined long before he stepped into it.
 
2012-05-04 02:57:56 PM

IlGreven: Well, duh. A certain Hall of Famer just had a probable career-ending injury. Everyone should be getting melodramatic over it.

/Go back to '92 and say the LA Times would be getting all "melodramatic" over Magic retiring due to HIV...I dare you...


Dude... in 1992, HIV was a freaking DEATH SENTENCE. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, thought Magic Johnson would have been dead ten freaking years ago.
 
2012-05-04 02:58:57 PM
I mean in the public, of course. Even many doctors probably didn't expect him to be so healthy 20 years after his diagnosis, if alive at all.
 
2012-05-04 03:10:11 PM

chimp_ninja: I can't get the cap off!: People in future generations will be as jealous of us as we are of those who watched Ruth play.

Whoa, whoa.

Rivera is no-questions-asked the greatest closer of all time, but it's a small role relative to what Ruth added to the Yankees, both in terms of popularity (Ruth is one of the best-known athletes in American history, period), personality (ditto), and the number of wins he helped bring home. Ruth revolutionized offensive strategy in 1920. Rivera had an impact (mostly in the proliferation of the cutter), but the closer role was well-defined long before he stepped into it.


He may have meant just from a Yankee fan's perspective. It's all relative. Modern-day equivalents and all that.
 
2012-05-04 03:20:43 PM

Karma Chameleon: Why is everyone saying "it shouldn't end like this?" He's a farking old man in athlete years. That's pretty much how it has to end, since his hubris prevented him from calling it quits years ago like he should've.


Troll? I can't even tell. I don't think you can say he SHOULD have quit years ago, he's been an above-average closer even in the last few years. David Robertson is a better pitcher at this point, but most teams would still love to have 42 year old Rivera closing games for them. I wouldn't call it hubris, if you can still play and you enjoy it, why stop? He definitely is an old athlete, but I think we can agree it's a shame a random knee injury may end his career, you never want any athlete's career to end cuz they blew out their knee.
 
2012-05-04 03:21:11 PM

Cagey B: Karma Chameleon: since his hubris prevented him from calling it quits years ago like he should've.

Yes, his pathetic 2011 season really was an exercise in his inability to let go. He saved a measly 44 games that year, posting a hideous 1.91 ERA. This embarassing season was good for only 2.4 WAR, fifth among relief pitchers.


Or 18th among CF. In fact, a 2.1 WAR is the statistical average for MLB players, so he's very slightly better than average. And we all know saves are the best stat ever. Come in with a three run lead at the start of the ninth and manage not to blow it, here's your save. Come in with a 20 run lead and pitch the last three innings without completely shiatting the bed, that's a save. Come in up four with one out to go and the bases loaded and only give up a triple before the catcher picks off the runner on third, guess what it's still a save. Saves are the Special Olympics gold medals of baseball. Sometimes you actually accomplished something, but most of the time you just didn't shiat yourself.

He's a great relief pitcher, but relief pitchers are just guys who aren't good enough to start. People seem to think that there's something much worse about losing a game in the 9th inning than in the 3rd or the 5th. The L's all count the same.

You should have stuck with ERA and pointed out his .90 WHIP and 230 ERA+.

\Someone had to point out how overrated closers are as a position.
 
2012-05-04 03:21:46 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Karma Chameleon: He's not going to fark you.

Awww, damn, I've been trolled. Good work.

 
2012-05-04 03:22:23 PM

I can't get the cap off!: Gulper Eel: has anyone in any sport failed as emphatically as Rivera did in Game 7 of the 2001 World Series, and gotten a free pass?

If Luis Gonzalez wasn't juicing that year, that last ball is in Jeter's glove.

He's also the greatest relief pitcher in the history of the game, which probably helps.

People in future generations will be as jealous of us as we are of those who watched Ruth play.


Are you freaking kidding me?

Mariano is the best reliever ever. No question, because he spent his career doing the job and put up the stats to prove it.

But closer is the most overrated position in baseball. It's UNHEARD OF for the most talented of pitchers, except Mariano (who probably would have been a very good, but not great, starting pitcher for 10-15 years), to spend their entire careers as closers. Lee Smith was a big name before Rivera, and he wasn't all that special (he just accumulated a good amount of numbers) and moved into the job in part because of a lack of success as a starter (and he wouldn't have had such a long career as a starter, due to some of his self-induced health problems). Trevor Hoffman was a field position player for most of his youth through college, but showed a nice arm and was converted (so who knows how he would have done as a starting pitcher, considering he wasn't a "pitcher" for a significant portion of his development). There are reasons why guys like Smoltz (potential HOF starter who had major injuries curtail his career as a starter), Isringhausen (former one-year wonder starter, with good stuff, who had injuries and other problems derail his career, and he made a nice comeback for a few seasons), and Eckersley (decent former starter who had a lot of former demons) move to the bullpen. There are some guys who, if given the opportunity later in their careers, could have done a fine job as short-term closers, because they had the "stuff" that could get a few batters out very quickly but didn't have the endurance to pitch 6+ innings a night. Granted, warming up and cooling down isn't easy unless you're throwing knucklers, but it's a bit different when you know you're only tossing 20 or so pitches versus 100+, particularly when a closer doesn't have to face the same batters 3 times or more in a game. It's better for an arm to have a bit of work every day than to basically be thrown out every five days, cooled off for a day or two, then starting the work cycle all over again.

Aside: the fact that people are so quick to easily put him in the HOF, for a relatively small job in the sport (even if he was the best at it), yet the DH is still being treated as a position that doesn't deserve HOF acknowledgement, is somewhat silly to me. If he played in, say, San Diego, I doubt there would have ever been this kind of discussion about his talent, HOF potential, and now, the end of his career.
 
2012-05-04 03:24:32 PM
Of course, he wouldn't have had nearly as many opportunities for saves with a team that hasn't been, over his career, probably the best all-around franchise in the sport.
 
2012-05-04 03:47:53 PM

scandalrag: \Someone had to point out how overrated closers are as a position.


Yes, thanks for the screed. The point that he's somehow not a good relief pitcher that should have retired already (followed by an obligatory "LOL I TROLL U") is still retarded.
 
2012-05-04 03:49:17 PM

puffy999: Aside: the fact that people are so quick to easily put him in the HOF, for a relatively small job in the sport (even if he was the best at it), yet the DH is still being treated as a position that doesn't deserve HOF acknowledgement, is somewhat silly to me. If he played in, say, San Diego, I doubt there would have ever been this kind of discussion about his talent, HOF potential, and now, the end of his career.


Agreed, and a good DH has a bigger impact over 162 games than an ace reliever ever will.

Post-1B David Ortiz peaked at +5 or +6 WAR despite virtually no defensive contribution. Peak Edgar was almost +7.

Rivera is the best who ever did his job, and the only year he broke +5 was the one where he threw 107.2 innings as a set-up man. Excellent closers generally add 3-4 wins to a team.
 
2012-05-04 04:53:09 PM
i saw rivera taking a dump at somerset mall in troy, michigan. he had a game that night, and was emptying his bowels. i walked over to the stall he was in to say hi to him and interrupted him midway during his crap. he wasn't happy someone was interrupting him while squeezing out a loaf. he says grace during each shiat apparently.

/still was willing to provide an autograph
/cool story bro.
 
2012-05-04 05:15:15 PM
He says he's coming back. See you next year, Mariano. Get healthy.
 
2012-05-04 05:31:22 PM

mc_madness: i saw rivera taking a dump at somerset mall in troy, michigan. he had a game that night, and was emptying his bowels. i walked over to the stall he was in to say hi to him and interrupted him midway during his crap. he wasn't happy someone was interrupting him while squeezing out a loaf. he says grace during each shiat apparently.

/still was willing to provide an autograph
/cool story bro.


did he make any courtesy flushes?
or did he SAVE the water?
 
2012-05-04 05:46:37 PM

puffy999: He says he's coming back. See you next year, Mariano. Get healthy.


Of what I could understand, I think he said he will be pitching horseshoes on the da beach.
 
2012-05-04 05:56:39 PM

puffy999: He says he's coming back. See you next year, Mariano. Get healthy.


Good luck with all that.
 
2012-05-04 05:56:50 PM

puffy999: He says he's coming back. See you next year, Mariano. Get healthy.


This news made my day
 
2012-05-04 07:09:59 PM

Analgesic: Anytime I see Yankees, I always think of this. (new window) It really makes that article a lot more humorous to me.


I clicked the link, but I don't get the joke.
 
2012-05-04 07:57:55 PM
For what it's worth, Di Atribe, who loves the Yankees and follows them on Twitter, posted this in the other thread:

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