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(MSNBC)   Sorry we fired you for defying military censors and reporting on the surrender of the enemy a day before everyone else....at the end of WWII. You know. 67 years ago. We're cool, right?   (worldnews.msnbc.msn.com) divider line 35
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2012-05-04 10:21:58 AM
Meh, judging yesterday's actions by today's standards. Apples and oranges just in my lifetime.
 
2012-05-04 10:34:09 AM
I don't see anything wrong with firing him. He was told not to report it and he did he wanted to scoop it first. The other 16 people that witnessed it had no problems holding onto the secret.
 
2012-05-04 10:46:30 AM
Where else would people agree to subject any such world shaking news to an editors' caprice on publication time?

Certainly not around here.
 
2012-05-04 11:22:51 AM

TNel: I don't see anything wrong with firing him. He was told not to report it and he did he wanted to scoop it first. The other 16 people that witnessed it had no problems holding onto the secret.


Yeah I don't see why he deserves an apology. At least it probably annoyed Stalin.
 
2012-05-04 11:25:02 AM

Slaxl:

Yeah I don't see why he deserves an apology. At least it probably annoyed Stalin.


That is a plus but the article said the Germans leaked it first so he was probably more annoyed at them.
 
2012-05-04 11:40:38 AM
Add me to the list of "no he should have been fired and didn't deserve an apology" people. He broke a promise and screwed over his peers, and he published a military secret during wartime. He's lucky they didn't hang him.
 
2012-05-04 12:30:53 PM
I can see why he did it, hard to say how I'd react in that situation except I would tell my boss about the secrecy deal, but he deserved no apology.
 
2012-05-04 12:35:48 PM

Slaxl: TNel: At least it probably annoyed Stalin.


Sticking a thumb in the eye of the other major superpower whose troops are all of a sudden facing directly across from you is exactly why he was fired. If it wasn't going to "annoy Stalin" then it didn't need to be a secret.
 
2012-05-04 01:00:31 PM
He should have been fired, then hired by the next available journal and given a parade.
 
2012-05-04 01:10:50 PM

Cagey B: Slaxl: TNel: At least it probably annoyed Stalin.

Sticking a thumb in the eye of the other major superpower whose troops are all of a sudden facing directly across from you is exactly why he was fired. If it wasn't going to "annoy Stalin" then it didn't need to be a secret.


no, it was just as reported in the article. He was fired because he did not honor his promise to keep it out of the news until the next day.
 
2012-05-04 01:11:22 PM
No apology is warranted. We were still at war with Japan and needed to remain on good terms with Stalin while we wrapped up the Pacific Theater. Military did the right thing by inviting the press to witness the event (so it was recorded by civillians for history), but they also had every right to say "Sit on this for a couple of days while the Soviets finish up their end of things."
 
2012-05-04 01:13:46 PM
He should have been brought home, gievn a hero's welcome, parades and such. then quietly fiered and blacklisted by the industry as a whole.

The military allowed them to view the ceremony based on their agreement to their conditions. Turning around and violating those conditions will make the military less willing to make those kinds of arrangements again, thus making your company's jobs harder
 
2012-05-04 01:17:45 PM
fark Eddie Brock, he knew what he was getting into.
 
2012-05-04 01:17:49 PM
I for one think he embodied the concept of a truman instead of stalin like everyone else.


\I'll be here all week.
 
2012-05-04 01:18:39 PM

maliklockett: He should have been brought home, gievn a hero's welcome, parades and such. then quietly fiered and blacklisted by the industry as a whole.

The military allowed them to view the ceremony based on their agreement to their conditions. Turning around and violating those conditions will make the military less willing to make those kinds of arrangements again, thus making your company's jobs harder


a heroes welcome?? Parades?? are you nuts?
 
2012-05-04 01:26:47 PM
Something similar happened to my family: a Colonel and reporter for Stars and Stripes was fired because he defied an order to not report the information that my uncle was high on LSD and got arrested.
 
2012-05-04 01:38:31 PM

chuckufarlie: no, it was just as reported in the article. He was fired because he did not honor his promise to keep it out of the news until the next day.


And why do you think it needed to be kept out of the news until the next day?
 
2012-05-04 02:07:52 PM
Damn right he deserved an apology. The military after they had him in the air swore him to secrecy for a few hours. He honored that embargo. The military then allowed others to report what had happened but unilaterally extended the embargo for more than another 30 hours.

He did what he promised to do. When the military changed the deal, he tried to go along, until they let the news out through other channels.
 
2012-05-04 02:09:05 PM

Cagey B: chuckufarlie: no, it was just as reported in the article. He was fired because he did not honor his promise to keep it out of the news until the next day.

And why do you think it needed to be kept out of the news until the next day?


I don't see where it was his call to make that decision. He took it upon himself to violate the very trust that allowed him to witness it. The military didn't say "you make the call when to publish the story" rather he was given a once in a lifetime opportunity and he put himself first and ignored the conditions set for him.

Fark him.
 
2012-05-04 02:14:57 PM

Teodoro: Damn right he deserved an apology. The military after they had him in the air swore him to secrecy for a few hours. He honored that embargo. The military then allowed others to report what had happened but unilaterally extended the embargo for more than another 30 hours.

He did what he promised to do. When the military changed the deal, he tried to go along, until they let the news out through other channels.


He made things rough for the others. Just look what happened to those other Kennedy fellas.
 
2012-05-04 02:23:35 PM

Teodoro:

He did what he promised to do.


He did not! He was told not to say anything until they said so. He said screw it.
 
2012-05-04 02:24:09 PM

Teodoro: Damn right he deserved an apology. The military after they had him in the air swore him to secrecy for a few hours. He honored that embargo. The military then allowed others to report what had happened but unilaterally extended the embargo for more than another 30 hours.

He did what he promised to do. When the military changed the deal, he tried to go along, until they let the news out through other channels.


Yeah, seems most people here missed reading that part.


Besides, he was a Reporter. It may not hold the same mystique it used these days. But back then it was a respected and hated profesion. Especialy if you were doing it right.
And he had every right to want to be the one to scoop everyone. That's what they lived for. Anyone of them would have loved to get that scoop Nd would have had no problem stabbing another reporter in the back for it.
 
2012-05-04 02:25:18 PM

Teodoro: Damn right he deserved an apology. The military after they had him in the air swore him to secrecy for a few hours. He honored that embargo. The military then allowed others to report what had happened but unilaterally extended the embargo for more than another 30 hours.

He did what he promised to do. When the military changed the deal, he tried to go along, until they let the news out through other channels.


Yeah, seems most people here missed reading that part.


Besides, he was a Reporter. It may not hold the same mystique it used these days. But back then it was a respected and hated profession. Especialy if you were doing it right.
And he had every right to want to be the one to scoop everyone. That's what they lived for. Anyone of them would have loved to get that scoop and would have had no problem stabbing another reporter in the back for it.
 
2012-05-04 02:30:29 PM

TNel: Teodoro:

He did what he promised to do.

He did not! He was told not to say anything until they said so. He said screw it.


When he agreed to that, he was agreeing to a few hours. Then, once they had his agreement, they changed the deal:
Initially, the journalists were told the news would be held up for only a few hours. But after the surrender was complete, the embargo was extended for 36 hours - until 3 p.m. the following day.

He did hold it a few hours, thereby honoring the original agreement.
 
2012-05-04 02:52:32 PM
Oh, another instance of the modern disease of apologizing for everything -everything- that has ever occurred in history that might have ever been wrong, or might be thought wrong by any human being in the future, or by the super-intelligent beetle species that will inhabit the Earth after mankind is gone.

It's the flip side to complaining about every damn thing, and thinking the complaint has some automatic right of redress.
 
2012-05-04 02:53:01 PM
So when is he going to apologize for Chappaquiddick?
 
2012-05-04 03:02:23 PM

Teodoro: TNel: Teodoro:

He did what he promised to do.

He did not! He was told not to say anything until they said so. He said screw it.

When he agreed to that, he was agreeing to a few hours. Then, once they had his agreement, they changed the deal:
Initially, the journalists were told the news would be held up for only a few hours. But after the surrender was complete, the embargo was extended for 36 hours - until 3 p.m. the following day.

He did hold it a few hours, thereby honoring the original agreement.


They told him to wait 36 hours, which he waited 30 hours then released it wasn't like he waited 3 hours and said screw it. He knew better and wanted to one up the rest of the reporters. They told him to wait, he didn't. fark him.
 
2012-05-04 03:06:46 PM
Once the Germans broadcast the news, all bets were off, IMO. Duh.
 
2012-05-04 03:16:26 PM
"Initially, the journalists were told the news would be held up for only a few hours. But after the surrender was complete, the embargo was extended for 36 hours - until 3 p.m. the following day."

"Nevertheless, he initially stayed quiet. Then, at 2:03 p.m., the surrender was announced by German officials, via a radio broadcast from Flensburg, a city already in Allied hands. That meant, Kennedy knew, that the transmission had been authorized by the same military censors gagging the press."

Regardless of the original deal, which Kennedy kept, the story was already out.
 
2012-05-04 04:43:37 PM
By RingTFA one will see that the news was already leaked by the Germans. A reporter can't be the second to leak anything. The story was out. He confirmed it.
It wouldn't have been better for the Allies if it was broadcasted (which it was already) and went unsubstantiated. Maybe the Germans hated the Soviets that much more.
 
2012-05-04 04:45:09 PM

Cagey B: chuckufarlie: no, it was just as reported in the article. He was fired because he did not honor his promise to keep it out of the news until the next day.

And why do you think it needed to be kept out of the news until the next day?


Because they wanted to release a statement from SHAEF HQ.
 
2012-05-04 07:34:45 PM

unlikely: he published a military secret during wartime


Pro tip: It's no longer wartime after the enemy surrenders.
 
2012-05-04 08:05:56 PM

profplump: unlikely: he published a military secret during wartime

Pro tip: It's no longer wartime after the enemy surrenders.


Protip: The war didn't end when Germany surrendered.
 
2012-05-04 08:26:58 PM

unlikely: profplump: unlikely: he published a military secret during wartime

Pro tip: It's no longer wartime after the enemy surrenders.

Protip: The war didn't end when Germany surrendered.


What? Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
 
2012-05-05 02:39:34 AM

unlikely: profplump: unlikely: he published a military secret during wartime

Pro tip: It's no longer wartime after the enemy surrenders.

Protip: The war didn't end when Germany surrendered.


Pro tip: The war with Germany ended. It won't affect the war with Japan.
 
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