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2012-05-04 12:37:21 PM

MugzyBrown: In the NFL we could have iso cams on every player from multiple angles. Take the refs off the field. We could get every penalty 100% correct.

But we won't do it.. why?


Because it would be incredibly difficult to implement and cost millions of dollars.

You're being obtuse.
 
2012-05-04 12:38:44 PM

thomps: Treygreen13: bulldg4life: Treygreen13: bulldg4life: If it isn't putting Calvin and Hobbes in a picture, I suck at photoshop.

After toying around with Ray Liotta's head for a while, I can see why you had trouble.
*another phrase I didn't think I'd ever say
Ray Liotta does not like facing directly forward or smiling, apparently. OH well. Here's Ray's eyes and nose on the Carlson instead.

[i291.photobucket.com image 275x235]

Yeah, I went looking for a stock photo and every goddamn picture has Ray turning his shoulders or some shiat.

Fun shoop tip. If you're in PS, Image>Adjustments>Match Color. Select the background of the image you want to match. Works wonders for getting a face to match.

Do with that what you will.

whoa, i've not heard of this. do you know if there's a similar feature in GIMP or should i finally break down and buy PS?


Sorry, I'm not familiar with GIMP.

It's a little nifty trick, though. Pair it with the curves tool, adjust the brightness/contrast/saturation and you can do some great looking stuff.
 
2012-05-04 12:42:07 PM

IAmRight: It has nothing to do with the argument for technology assistance - you're throwing that in there because you think people care so desperately about everything. These data points seem to be on a plane - baseballs don't always cross the plate in a straight line. So since home plate has depth, which plane should we consider as the strike zone? Unless you have 3D modeling, which seems far more in-depth than the simplest sport in the world deserves.


Link to SportVision, the company that does PitchFx. From it:
"It has been installed in all 30 Major League Baseball (MLB) stadiums, and currently tracks pitches for every MLB game. The system utilizes three tracking cameras and a central pitch tracking system in every stadium. Each tracking camera records the pitch from the time it leaves the pitcher's hand until it crosses the plate, and then it sends this information to the tracking system to calculate and store the digital record of the pitch - including speed, location, and trajectory."

They're doing this already for every pitch in every game. The suggested change would involve signaling the umpire via an earpiece as each pitch arrives. That part is not hard.

Your username should just be replaced by the Ironic tag.
 
2012-05-04 12:42:24 PM
3 Twins batters struck out looking and I know the one in the 9th was legit. I wonder if either of the other two came on a bad call?
 
2012-05-04 12:45:08 PM

IAmRight: BUT IF THEY DON'T WIN THIS THEY ONLY HAVE 130 MORE CHANCES TO REDEEM THEMSELVES!


I forget who it was, but some reporter asked a question about an early losing streak and the guy responded, "If we lose only 62 games this year, we'll be in first place, in the playoffs, and more than likely have the best record in all of baseball."

thomps: i agree with all of that but it doesn't really have anything to do with my point.


The best way to describe it is from a line in the chorus of "Take me Out to the Ball Game"

Let me root, root, root for the home team, If they don't win, it's a shame.

It's just a game in the end, the point of it all is that you had fun watching it, no matter the outcome. My favorite series of all time is 2001 WS, and I'm a Yankee fan.
 
2012-05-04 12:45:50 PM

WTF Indeed: chimp_ninja: The image from the article. Everything you wrote is contradicted by it. Weaver's pitches are the squares. The Twins' pitches are the triangles. Only umpire's calls are shown-- balls or called strikes.

See the 11 red squares outside the zone, some of which are 8-10" off the black? Called Weaver strikes. See the one red triangle (barely) outside the zone? That was the only freebie given to the Twins all night.

Yes, I noticed that afterwards. And you of all people should know that if you don't use the strikezone an umpire gives you, you're a moron. You can toss that low and away pitch all night, he wasn't going to call it a strike no matter who you were.


You seem to be OK with the umpire picking a favorite pitcher and giving him preferential treatment.

I'm telling you, you'll love figure skating. They skip the middleman and just go straight to non-athletes deciding which athletes they think won.
 
2012-05-04 12:51:08 PM

WTF Indeed: IAmRight: BUT IF THEY DON'T WIN THIS THEY ONLY HAVE 130 MORE CHANCES TO REDEEM THEMSELVES!

I forget who it was, but some reporter asked a question about an early losing streak and the guy responded, "If we lose only 62 games this year, we'll be in first place, in the playoffs, and more than likely have the best record in all of baseball."

thomps: i agree with all of that but it doesn't really have anything to do with my point.

The best way to describe it is from a line in the chorus of "Take me Out to the Ball Game"

Let me root, root, root for the home team, If they don't win, it's a shame.

It's just a game in the end, the point of it all is that you had fun watching it, no matter the outcome. My favorite series of all time is 2001 WS, and I'm a Yankee fan.


you sound like a WWE fan... in sports, outcomes matter. ensuring that the outcomes are dictated by the actions of the players on the field is the whole reason the rule book was written and the umps are there.
 
2012-05-04 12:52:55 PM

MugzyBrown: Most of the time, there's still disagreement even after the replay...especially in the NFL.


This is true without replay, too.

What ISN'T true without replay is the statement that "Sometimes, incorrect calls are correctly overturned."

Although I've never seen it, I'm sure it's happened that a CORRECT call on the field was INCORRECTLY overruled after replay.

I don't have any issue with any technology that helps ensure that the end result of the games are a direct result of the actions of the players on the field and not in any way influenced by human bias or error.

Balls and strikes are a bit extreme. Most people would have you believe that all missed calls are egregious, but the reality is, most missed calls are borderline. That said, all the Weaver missed calls that were a foot or MORE off the plate is staggering, and it disgusts me that umpires aren't held accountible when they call games that poorly.
 
2012-05-04 12:54:24 PM

9beers: 9th


www.brooksbaseball.net

2 missed calls in the 9th, but they were very borderline. Brooks Baseball will let you pull up detail down to a specific at-bat if you want. And they have more detail than anyone but a pitching coach would want:

www.brooksbaseball.net
 
2012-05-04 12:56:51 PM

dragonchild: So what you're saying is, we have a problem.


A problem with umpire consistency, yes. That is something the league should handle but not by eliminating the home plate umpire calling balls and strikes.

The players know who the good umps are and who they're aren't. If you ask any baseball player, they don't care so much about where the ump calls the zone as much as consistency on both sides and throughout the game.
 
2012-05-04 12:57:16 PM

IAmRight: thomps: so would you agree that any easily applied technology to aid in that difficult job should be made available to the umps?

Indeed. Also, we should give this technology to hitters in order to make it easier to get hits - as evidenced by their current sub-.300 batting averages, they're pretty terrible at it.

You know what? I also don't enjoy the human element in pitching. Batters shouldn't have to worry about getting hit with 95 mph pitches, which can injure them. Let's just put pitching machines out on the mound instead. That would keep more pitches in the strike zone and make the game better for everyone.


Quit being obtuse.
 
2012-05-04 12:57:37 PM

chimp_ninja: Each tracking camera records the pitch from the time it leaves the pitcher's hand until it crosses the plate, and then it sends this information to the tracking system to calculate and store the digital record of the pitch - including speed, location, and trajectory."


So it doesn't track the location of the pitch through the plate, is what you're saying. It models it, maybe. But it just gives you some information about it based on its trip from pitcher's hand to when it crosses the front of the plate. What if the pitch is outside the strike zone when it crosses, but hits the back corner with the curve? Or what does it do for an eephus that drops into the strike zone as it goes through the plate?

In any case, I still don't really give a sh*t what it can do, because it's possibly the most banal, insignificant use for such technology possible.

chimp_ninja: You seem to be OK with the umpire picking a favorite pitcher and giving him preferential treatment.


Because it's based on favorites, not establishing a reputation for actually being able to pitch. No, many people don't have a problem with people with reputations for being successful with their decisions/actions being given more leeway. Welcome to life.
 
2012-05-04 12:58:35 PM

slayer199: dragonchild: So what you're saying is, we have a problem.

A problem with umpire consistency, yes. That is something the league should handle but not by eliminating the home plate umpire calling balls and strikes.

The players know who the good umps are and who they're aren't. If you ask any baseball player, they don't care so much about where the ump calls the zone as much as consistency on both sides and throughout the game.


Why not? If the players want consistency the PitchFX system would beat the tar out of ANY umpire, period.
 
2012-05-04 12:59:55 PM

Slow To Return: Although I've never seen it, I'm sure it's happened that a CORRECT call on the field was INCORRECTLY overruled after replay.


Well, depends on your feelings about many rules. Like the Tuck Rule, like the "two feet down" rule, completion of a catch, etc.

If you subscribe to the idea that you know catches when you see 'em and having possession while laying on the ground is a catch, then I'd list Polamalu's INT against Manning in the playoffs, Calvin Johnson's TD-that-wasn't, and, naturally, the original Tuck Rule call.
 
2012-05-04 01:03:55 PM

YoungLochinvar: Quit being obtuse.


Well, why should we settle for anything less than complete accuracy?
 
2012-05-04 01:04:40 PM
Here is this argument in a nut shell:

You either believe all sports are vital the world and should be taken as seriously as possible.

Or you believe that it's just a game; played for and watched for fun.


If you are in the former group, the outcome is paramount. If you are in the latter, the outcome is not.
 
2012-05-04 01:05:50 PM

IAmRight: chimp_ninja: Each tracking camera records the pitch from the time it leaves the pitcher's hand until it crosses the plate, and then it sends this information to the tracking system to calculate and store the digital record of the pitch - including speed, location, and trajectory."

So it doesn't track the location of the pitch through the plate, is what you're saying. It models it, maybe. But it just gives you some information about it based on its trip from pitcher's hand to when it crosses the front of the plate. What if the pitch is outside the strike zone when it crosses, but hits the back corner with the curve? Or what does it do for an eephus that drops into the strike zone as it goes through the plate?


No, you're wrong. Completely and utterly wrong, again. You can't even read the first sentence. They draw 3-D trajectories with uncertainties of under an inch. This is actually not all that hard to do. You don't seem to understand technology or baseball.

In any case, I still don't really give a sh*t what it can do, because it's possibly the most banal, insignificant use for such technology possible.

You're completely wrong in everything you said about the system, and you've written several paragraphs about it, but you don't care at all. Got it. You're clearly not just backtracking from the shiatpile you left steaming behind you.

And if you can't figure out why teams that pay pitchers upwards of $10-20M per year would want to accurately record how they perform, there's little hope for you. They release the data to the public, too. You don't have to look if it's scary, and charts remind you of the mean things your career counselors told you.

chimp_ninja: You seem to be OK with the umpire picking a favorite pitcher and giving him preferential treatment.

Because it's based on favorites, not establishing a reputation for actually being able to pitch. No, many people don't have a problem with people with reputations for being successful with their decisions/actions being given more leeway. Welcome to life.


I'm glad someone else mentioned the WWE. If you like activities where the actual athletes get their outcomes decided by random middle-aged schlubs, you'd love that. Or, you know, figure skating. Tons of human element!
 
2012-05-04 01:07:41 PM

WTF Indeed: Here is this argument in a nut shell:

You either believe all sports are vital the world and should be taken as seriously as possible.

Or you believe that it's just a game; played for and watched for fun.


If you are in the former group, the outcome is paramount. If you are in the latter, the outcome is not.


Dude, it's an EASY fix. We're not asking for the gov't to divert trillions of dollars into solving this problem. And really, the "problem" bothers me far less than your vehement insistence that we shouldn't fix it.
 
2012-05-04 01:08:20 PM

IAmRight: Calvin Johnson's TD-that-wasn't


Eerily similar to the Lee Evans TD-that-wasn't?
 
2012-05-04 01:11:25 PM
Dude, it's an EASY fix. We're not asking for the gov't to divert trillions of dollars into solving this problem. And really, the "problem" bothers me far less than your vehement insistence that we shouldn't fix it.

Assumes facts not in evidence...

You're assuming something is broken. MLB attendance disagrees.
 
2012-05-04 01:12:07 PM

YoungLochinvar: Dude, it's an EASY fix. We're not asking for the gov't to divert trillions of dollars into solving this problem. And really, the "problem" bothers me far less than your vehement insistence that we shouldn't fix it.


It's just a game. The day every major leaguer refuses to play until they get a 3D laser grid on the plate, and motion capture cameras reviewing every play from every angle, is the day I'll care about fixing this problem.
 
2012-05-04 01:12:37 PM

WTF Indeed: Because what you have in this article is called a shiatty argument against the umpire. They don't show the pitch track for the Minnesota pitchers, they don't show the umpires average strike calls. It doesn't take into account the skill of the catcher for both teams. More than likely, you'd see a similar pattern for the other team.


Hrm. You seem to care about what happened any why. I mean, several people stopped in to show that you didn't understand a damned thing about what you were looking at, despite the clear "ANA" and "MIN" labels on pitches. So you're completely wrong in every single sentence, but you want to consider the skill of the catcher.

Here is this argument in a nut shell: You either believe all sports are vital the world and should be taken as seriously as possible. Or you believe that it's just a game; played for and watched for fun. If you are in the former group, the outcome is paramount. If you are in the latter, the outcome is not.

Ah. Now we pretend you took no stance, and only watch sports because of the pretty uniforms. You don't care at all about who wins or loses.

Would one of these work, or would you prefer they omit the logo so no one thinks you care about who wins or loses?

www.newera-capstore.com
 
2012-05-04 01:12:54 PM

MugzyBrown: Dude, it's an EASY fix. We're not asking for the gov't to divert trillions of dollars into solving this problem. And really, the "problem" bothers me far less than your vehement insistence that we shouldn't fix it.

Assumes facts not in evidence...

You're assuming something is broken. MLB attendance disagrees.


that's a weird metric for whether there is an officiating consistency issue.
 
2012-05-04 01:14:07 PM

IAmRight: YoungLochinvar: Quit being obtuse.

Well, why should we settle for anything less than complete accuracy?


What the hell are you talking about? Oh, right, you're intentionally being an ass because it's easier than admitting you're wrong.
 
2012-05-04 01:14:14 PM

chimp_ninja: You're completely wrong in everything you said about the system, and you've written several paragraphs about it, but you don't care at all. Got it. You're clearly not just backtracking from the shiatpile you left steaming behind you.


Where have I written several paragraphs about it? I said they SEEM as though they're on a line, based on how they're mapped out on the graphs. Otherwise you'd have short lines in each location.

chimp_ninja: And if you can't figure out why teams that pay pitchers upwards of $10-20M per year would want to accurately record how they perform, there's little hope for you.


Hey, you pay $10 million/year for a guy, you'd better demand he starts getting those extra few inches to play with.

Slow To Return: That said, all the Weaver missed calls that were a foot or MORE off the plate is staggering,


There weren't any that were a foot off the plate.

Slow To Return: Eerily similar to the Lee Evans TD-that-wasn't?


That one's not as easy to remember off the top of my head.

YoungLochinvar: Dude, it's an EASY fix. We're not asking for the gov't to divert trillions of dollars into solving this problem. And really, the "problem" bothers me far less than your vehement insistence that we shouldn't fix it.


I don't think that anyone thinks that it's a problem and it shouldn't be fixed. What the opposition's point is is that it's not a problem. It's completely insignificant.
 
2012-05-04 01:14:32 PM
that's a weird metric for whether there is an officiating consistency issue.

Fans showing up is the only reason the games even happen. It's the only metric that matters when making any decision about the sport.
 
2012-05-04 01:15:39 PM
I don't have a problem with umpires having their own slightly different interpretation of the strike zone that a pitcher needs to learn. That's an interesting part of the game.

What I do have a problem with is umpires having different strike zones FOR EACH TEAM in a single game, especially when it so blatantly favors one team over the other, as it clearly does in this case.
 
2012-05-04 01:17:48 PM

MugzyBrown: that's a weird metric for whether there is an officiating consistency issue.

Fans showing up is the only reason the games even happen. It's the only metric that matters when making any decision about the sport.


then why did they crack down on HGH? why do they outlaw corked bats? people f*cking love homeruns.
 
2012-05-04 01:18:04 PM

Falin: What I do have a problem with is umpires having different strike zones FOR EACH TEAM in a single game, especially when it so blatantly favors one team over the other, as it clearly does in this case.


I'm going to hazard a guess, which the people that orgasm over baseball minutae can go ahead and check out if they want to prove me wrong, that most perfect games/no-hitters have similar discrepancies.
 
2012-05-04 01:19:15 PM

IAmRight: chimp_ninja: And if you can't figure out why teams that pay pitchers upwards of $10-20M per year would want to accurately record how they perform, there's little hope for you.

Hey, you pay $10 million/year for a guy, you'd better demand he starts getting those extra few inches to play with.


Huh. In order to know if that was happening, someone would have to invent some kind of multi-camera system that records the 3-D trajectory of each pitch, and comparing it to the strike zone.

If only such a thing existed.

They could make it public so people could look up how each game was called, or how a pitcher's health may be reflected in velocity and location.

If only such a thing existed.
 
2012-05-04 01:19:20 PM

thomps: then why did they crack down on HGH? why do they outlaw corked bats? people f*cking love homeruns.


Corked bats are a safety issue, HGH is a legality and a "Congress is investigating us" issue.

Baseball (and fans) didn't give a f*ck about those until everyone else got mad and told them they have to be mad.
 
2012-05-04 01:21:13 PM

chimp_ninja: Huh. In order to know if that was happening, someone would have to invent some kind of multi-camera system that records the 3-D trajectory of each pitch, and comparing it to the strike zone.


I never once said anything about a multi-camera system. You may be getting my posts somewhat conflated with other posts. If they can show the three-dimensional movement of the ball within the space, super. It doesn't change the fact that it's solving a problem that only exists in the minds of .01 percent of baseball fans.
 
2012-05-04 01:21:38 PM
then why did they crack down on HGH? why do they outlaw corked bats? people f*cking love homeruns.

Blatant cheating is a different subject. You're being obtuse.

Do you think Umpires are cheating for one team or do you think they make honest judgments?
 
2012-05-04 01:22:02 PM

IAmRight: Corked bats are a safety issue


what.
 
2012-05-04 01:23:38 PM

thomps: IAmRight: Corked bats are a safety issue

what.


They're far more likely to break and hit someone.
 
2012-05-04 01:23:53 PM

MugzyBrown: then why did they crack down on HGH? why do they outlaw corked bats? people f*cking love homeruns.

Blatant cheating is a different subject. You're being obtuse.

Do you think Umpires are cheating for one team or do you think they make honest judgments?


it's not cheating if they allow everyone to do it. if the only metric for baseball is attendance then every decision should be driven towards maximizing attendance. i'm simply refuting your claim. if that's being obtuse then i apologize.
 
2012-05-04 01:26:31 PM

thomps: if the only metric for baseball is attendance then every decision should be driven towards maximizing attendance.


Again, baseball was super okay with "cheating" until it became a legal and media nightmare. If people start suing over different strike zones, then there you go. You'll have machines keeping score.

Lawsuits and negative press are what make changes.
 
2012-05-04 01:27:35 PM

thomps: it's not cheating if they allow everyone to do it. if the only metric for baseball is attendance then every decision should be driven towards maximizing attendance


Pretty much every decision is driven towards ratings & attendance.. It's the only reason they have a league.

If they felt corked bats were the way to go, they'd do it. There would probably be a lot of backlash.

They could also move the fences in 100 feet. But again, people wouldn't like that either. People seem to like the sport the way it is.
 
2012-05-04 01:28:59 PM

thomps: WTF Indeed: IAmRight: BUT IF THEY DON'T WIN THIS THEY ONLY HAVE 130 MORE CHANCES TO REDEEM THEMSELVES!

I forget who it was, but some reporter asked a question about an early losing streak and the guy responded, "If we lose only 62 games this year, we'll be in first place, in the playoffs, and more than likely have the best record in all of baseball."

thomps: i agree with all of that but it doesn't really have anything to do with my point.

The best way to describe it is from a line in the chorus of "Take me Out to the Ball Game"

Let me root, root, root for the home team, If they don't win, it's a shame.

It's just a game in the end, the point of it all is that you had fun watching it, no matter the outcome. My favorite series of all time is 2001 WS, and I'm a Yankee fan.

you sound like a WWE fan... in sports, outcomes matter. ensuring that the outcomes are dictated by the actions of the players on the field is the whole reason the rule book was written and the umps are there.


So, do you think WWE would be better if the refs consistently and accurately called all the rules?
 
2012-05-04 01:31:41 PM

chimp_ninja: Would one of these work, or would you prefer they omit the logo so no one thinks you care about who wins or loses?


Perhaps if you read the thread, you would have seen where someone pointed out my mistake, and I thanked them. I also tried to explain that while I misspoke about the Twins pitch track not being there. It still didn't take into account all the variables that could not be placed into a mathematical formula.

If you're a baseball fan you'll know exactly what I'm talking about. But it seems that you would rather infer that I'm not a real fan of the Yankees because my life doesn't revolve around their wins and loses. I could be a dick right now and say that it must be hard being a functional retard who fixates on baseball stats so hard that they lose all sight of the game itself, but I won't because it's just a game. No matter how many math nerds come out of the woodwork and demand perfection for their stat sheets it;s still just a game. I go see baseball games because I'm with my friends and family and it reminds me of good times I spent with friends and family that aren't around anymore.

You're right, I have an emotional attachment to the sport, but it's not the same one you are talking about.
 
2012-05-04 01:34:12 PM

Sliding Carp: So, do you think WWE would be better if the refs consistently and accurately called all the rules?


not if their goal is to be an entertainment show, no. if their goal is to be a sport, then yes.
 
2012-05-04 01:34:57 PM

WTF Indeed: You're right, I have an emotional attachment to the sport, but it's not the same one you are talking about.


WHY ARE YOU NOT EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THE MULTIMILLIONAIRE WHO PLAYS ON THE TEAM IN YOUR CURRENT/FORMER CITY OF YOUR RESIDENCE MIGHT HAVE BEEN DENIED AN EXTRA OPPORTUNITY TO HIT A BALL BY AN INCONSISTENT UMPIRE?
 
2012-05-04 01:37:08 PM

thomps: Sliding Carp: So, do you think WWE would be better if the refs consistently and accurately called all the rules?

not if their goal is to be an entertainment show, no. if their goal is to be a sport, then yes.


To a spectator, what's the difference between sport and entertainment?
 
2012-05-04 01:37:32 PM
not if their goal is to be an entertainment show, no. if their goal is to be a sport, then yes.

Guess what, the the MLB is an entertainment show.
 
2012-05-04 01:39:22 PM

jchic: Still not as bad as Eric Gregg's


First thing I thought of as well.....

F*ck Eric Gregg in his skeleton face.
 
2012-05-04 01:46:57 PM

IAmRight: Slow To Return: Eerily similar to the Lee Evans TD-that-wasn't?

That one's not as easy to remember off the top of my head.


It actually wasn't as egregious as the CJ call, but iirc, the explanation was the same, something about football move.

IAmRight: Slow To Return: That said, all the Weaver missed calls that were a foot or MORE off the plate is staggering,

There weren't any that were a foot off the plate.


Did I read ChimpNInja's graph incorrectly? Is the X-Axis not feet?
 
2012-05-04 01:48:29 PM
This would be one of those times that technology is not actually a good idea. And I'd love to see most of the people complaining about how horrible his strike zone is try and call a major league game without getting a baseball bat to the head by a pissed off batter.
 
2012-05-04 01:48:38 PM

IAmRight: WHY ARE YOU NOT EXTREMELY CONCERNED ABOUT THE IDEA THAT THE MULTIMILLIONAIRE WHO PLAYS ON THE TEAM IN YOUR CURRENT/FORMER CITY OF YOUR RESIDENCE MIGHT HAVE BEEN DENIED AN EXTRA OPPORTUNITY TO HIT A BALL BY AN INCONSISTENT UMPIRE?


Why do you make tons of posts in baseball threads when you don't like baseball?
 
2012-05-04 01:48:48 PM

MugzyBrown: not if their goal is to be an entertainment show, no. if their goal is to be a sport, then yes.

Guess what, the the MLB is an entertainment show.


no, it is a sport that people watch for entertainment. do you feel good that your argument is that baseball is exactly like WWE?

and do we think that attendance would be hurt by adding a computerized aid to umps? if not, then it's just an inertia issue (and more likely it's just not worth it to them to fight the ump's union on it).
 
2012-05-04 01:50:06 PM

FriarReb98: This would be one of those times that technology is not actually a good idea. And I'd love to see most of the people complaining about how horrible his strike zone is try and call a major league game without getting a baseball bat to the head by a pissed off batter.


again, this argument that "calling balls and strikes is hard so we shouldn't try to make it easier" is retarded.
 
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