Wow.

Just wait until the heavies from the salted snack food industry start busting a few knee caps. There is a natural order to things and serving food with pot isn't it.

Honest Bender: I have seen what the world could be and I weep for what it is.

Watch out, there are bees that love human tears. Just...bee careful.

You want beef and broccoli now?

I suddenly want to move to Oregon. Mmmmmm, stir fry.

I want this.

Cheron: Just wait until the heavies from the salted snack food industry start busting a few knee caps. There is a natural order to things and serving food with pot isn't it.

That's why I weep for the world.

bigxnyc: You want beef and broccoli now?

Damn you! Beat me. Well, it is oblig...

Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

Choppin broccoli....

fireclown: Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

Snoochie boochies

fireclown: Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

Big Pharma will never allow that to happen. To them it isn't nonsense -- unless you spell nonsense $$$$$.

So how does marijuana fit the Schedule 1 criteria?

fireclown: Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

Yes it should be legalized for recreational use, but that doesn't mean that it's medicinal values are non existent. I worked in a dispensary as a caregiver, and while there were a lot of recreational users with cards, you'd probably be surprised at how many people with actually medical need are out there. I have taught multiply senior citizens how to smoke for the first time. And I've heard for many people that after getting there card and a steady supply, they are able to get off there pain killers (which are mostly opiates.)

JackieRabbit: Big Pharma will never allow that to happen. To them it isn't nonsense -- unless you spell nonsense $$$$$.

As a homebrewer, I have to notice that big beer did.

tjsands1118: fireclown: Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

Yes it should be legalized for recreational use, but that doesn't mean that it's medicinal values are non existent. I worked in a dispensary as a caregiver, and while there were a lot of recreational users with cards, you'd probably be surprised at how many people with actually medical need are out there. I have taught multiply senior citizens how to smoke for the first time. And I've heard for many people that after getting there card and a steady supply, they are able to get off there pain killers (which are mostly opiates.)

my mother in law sprained her ankle and it certainly helped her.

Why was the bowl medicated? Was it depressed?

fireclown: JackieRabbit: Big Pharma will never allow that to happen. To them it isn't nonsense -- unless you spell nonsense $$$$$.

As a homebrewer, I have to notice that big beer did.

Homebrewing is way to labour intensive to hurt big beer.

Girion47: So how does marijuana fit the Schedule 1 criteria?

this clearly just shows how little you know about both thc and drug scheduling.

fact: it does NOT provide any therapeutic uses in any way, shape, or form. it is only used for dopers to get hopped up on goofballs.

fact 2: even if it did have a beneficial use, it is way too dangerous to be used clinically. it has an ld50 in the nano ppm range. it is widely known that even inhaling some second hand smoke can lead to instant brain death (similar to huffing inhalants)

/just kidding, don't flame me bro

fireclown: Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

seconded. i'll be damned if i'll go "register" myself as a dope-smoker with the fricking government, even under the absurd lie that "i need it". i need booze too, but i'm not going to list that with the government...

Fox News, and it's not even subtle. Like a republican gerrymander wet dream. Why isn't this on the politics tab.

santadog: MasterPython: fireclown: JackieRabbit: Big Pharma will never allow that to happen. To them it isn't nonsense -- unless you spell nonsense $$$$$.

As a homebrewer, I have to notice that big beer did.

Homebrewing is way to labour intensive to hurt big beer.

You could say the same thing about growing good pot... but alas, there is Big Pharma

You could say that, but would it be true? In a legal environment you could EASILY and darn-near effortlessly grow all the pot you could possibly smoke - even 10x all the pot you could possibly smoke. It's as easy as those two or three tomato or pepper plants I stick in the ground most years. I'm an on again off again home brewer, as well as a "Fark moderate" drinker, and there is no way I could keep my job, take care of shiat at home, and brew all the beer I drink. shiat, I couldn't brew all the beer I spill...

Big_Fat_Liar: santadog: MasterPython: fireclown: JackieRabbit: Big Pharma will never allow that to happen. To them it isn't nonsense -- unless you spell nonsense $$$$$.

As a homebrewer, I have to notice that big beer did.

Homebrewing is way to labour intensive to hurt big beer.

You could say the same thing about growing good pot... but alas, there is Big Pharma

You could say that, but would it be true? In a legal environment you could EASILY and darn-near effortlessly grow all the pot you could possibly smoke - even 10x all the pot you could possibly smoke. It's as easy as those two or three tomato or pepper plants I stick in the ground most years. I'm an on again off again home brewer, as well as a "Fark moderate" drinker, and there is no way I could keep my job, take care of shiat at home, and brew all the beer I drink. shiat, I couldn't brew all the beer I spill...


You can brew a good bit. Hops are fairly easy to grow, and once they are established they grow like damned weeds. With a good mini keg setup and CO2 tanks you can brew a surprising amount. It may be that I'm more familiar with brewing, but the weed farming process always seems like a lot of work to me.

fireclown: Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

Yes and no. It's the hard and fast lines that are drawn around such things that concerns me; if it's "medical use only" then in, some peoples minds at least, there is a reason to research it and find out what it can/will be used for beyond giving chemo patients an appetite or pain management.

If it is legalised then it becomes just "something people do for fun" and it's medical benefits and research fall by the way side... in at least some peoples minds.

With the best will in the world, as a stoner, I have to say if it is a choice between the research continuing (and accelerating) or the whole thing being written off as only something to get you high... I'd prefer the research to continue.

I'm not saying it's impossible to have my cake and eat it just that people seem to get very bipolar on issues and present them as an either/or scenario.

tjsands1118: I have taught multiply senior citizens how to smoke for the first time. And I've heard for many people that after getting there card and a steady supply, they are able to get off there pain killers (which are mostly opiates.)

You are stoned right now, aren't you?

fireclown: You can brew a good bit. Hops are fairly easy to grow, and once they are established they grow like damned weeds. With a good mini keg setup and CO2 tanks you can brew a surprising amount. It may be that I'm more familiar with brewing, but the weed farming process always seems like a lot of work to me.

the weed farming process also takes a while to get the hang of, from what i've heard. but brewing also has to be done carefully with respect to cleanliness and everything. the work which may make several batches of beer might produce a few pounds of marijuana---effectively a year's supply for a dozen light smokers...

Mager: Fox News, and it's not even subtle. Like a republican gerrymander wet dream. Why isn't this on the politics tab.

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Don't worry. If it happens, they have promised to give us the occasional reach-around.

divgradcurl: it has an ld50 in the nano ppm range.

So it is easier to overdose on caffeine than THC...interesting. Ever mix the two? Pot and coffee used to be my favorite morning ritual.

Then look at how much (insert any pill here) it takes to overdose.

Not to mention that every pill comes with a warning that it may cause "thoughts of suicide" (but at least I'm sleeping better now, right?)

After watching TV ads, it would seem that our society mainly fuels up on dangerous energy drinks all day, then takes dangerous sleep aids at night. Sounds more dangerous than THC to me.

Vaneshi: fireclown: Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

Yes and no. It's the hard and fast lines that are drawn around such things that concerns me; if it's "medical use only" then in, some peoples minds at least, there is a reason to research it and find out what it can/will be used for beyond giving chemo patients an appetite or pain management.

If it is legalised then it becomes just "something people do for fun" and it's medical benefits and research fall by the way side... in at least some peoples minds.

With the best will in the world, as a stoner, I have to say if it is a choice between the research continuing (and accelerating) or the whole thing being written off as only something to get you high... I'd prefer the research to continue.

I'm not saying it's impossible to have my cake and eat it just that people seem to get very bipolar on issues and present them as an either/or scenario.

The many existing studies on the health benefits of moderately drinking alcohol disagree with you.

scottydoesntknow: Big_Fat_Liar: You could say that, but would it be true? In a legal environment you could EASILY and darn-near effortlessly grow all the pot you could possibly smoke

Have you ever tried growing before or are you talking out of your ass? It's a pain in the ass to grow anything even remotely good. Investments in lighting, A/C, soil, pH supplies, etc. set you back from the get go. Outdoor requires near constant sunlight, but a mild temperature and you have bugs. Then you have to watch for pretty much everything. Did you know that accidentally leaving a single male plant can ruin your entire yield? My friend tried to do it, ended up scorching his entire harvest because he used tap water and forgot there was water softener in it.

People will pay for convenience it's as simple as that. Sure some will grow, but most would rather not wait 4-8 months.

I have never tried growing and I've heard it's pretty difficult in line with what you said above, but if it were legal I would imagine at least some of those things would become easier. Home Depot could start to carry fertilizers for the nutrients pot plants need, growing communities could more openly share advice and resources, etc.

If it was legal I wouldn't mess with that though, I would pick up a carton of blunts from the gas station.

I agree that people will pay for convenience. Even though tomatoes are easy to grow, you still find them in stores even when people are trying to give them away, or finding new recipes for tomato cooking and canning.

On a somewhat related note, how hard is it to grow tobacco? I've heard curing it so you can smoke it is kind of difficult, but is it that much harder to grow than pot?

Duke Wayne: After watching TV ads, it would seem that our society mainly fuels up on dangerous energy drinks all day, then takes dangerous sleep aids at night. Sounds more dangerous than THC to me.

I think your post is full of dangerous!

fireclown: Medicinal weed is nonsense. It should be legalized for recreational use without this absurd artifice.

horse feathers.
medical quality compared to what I could grow in my back yard is like comparing White Lightening to home brewed beer.

I don't mind taking a recreational toke now and then but that stuff of medicinal quality out of california, damn. That's pretty strong stuff. I wouldn't touch that unless I wanted to go into outerspace or was going through chemo.
And If I were going through chemo, I'd personally kick any legislator in the balls who said I couldn't.
Fark the law, fark the lawmakers, and fark cops when you have cancer. You have bigger and better things to worry about when you have cancer. And I would hope the cops have bigger and better things to do than fark with people who have cancer.

Want to know why people think their pigs?
What would you call someone farking with someone with cancer?
A Farking Pig, that's what.

GoodOmens:
The many existing studies on the health benefits of moderately drinking alcohol disagree with you.

All of which the average person discounts because of... well... drunken Chavs and similar abuses of the drug.

scottydoesntknow: trappedspirit: Duke Wayne: After watching TV ads, it would seem that our society mainly fuels up on dangerous energy drinks all day, then takes dangerous sleep aids at night. Sounds more dangerous than THC to me.

I think your post is full of dangerous!

Would you say he's nearing a zone?

What might you call that zone?

scottydoesntknow: Big_Fat_Liar: You could say that, but would it be true? In a legal environment you could EASILY and darn-near effortlessly grow all the pot you could possibly smoke

Have you ever tried growing before or are you talking out of your ass? It's a pain in the ass to grow anything even remotely good. Investments in lighting, A/C, soil, pH supplies, etc. set you back from the get go. Outdoor requires near constant sunlight, but a mild temperature and you have bugs. Then you have to watch for pretty much everything. Did you know that accidentally leaving a single male plant can ruin your entire yield? My friend tried to do it, ended up scorching his entire harvest because he used tap water and forgot there was water softener in it.

People will pay for convenience it's as simple as that. Sure some will grow, but most would rather not wait 4-8 months.

just in case you were crying out to the masses "PLEASE DEAR LORD! I HATE TO WAIT!"

Because I know I do. I don't disagree though. It is a tad bit harder to grow quality.

scottydoesntknow: Have you ever tried growing before or are you talking out of your ass? It's a pain in the ass to grow anything even remotely good. Investments in lighting, A/C, soil, pH supplies, etc. set you back from the get go. Outdoor requires near constant sunlight, but a mild temperature and you have bugs. Then you have to watch for pretty much everything. Did you know that accidentally leaving a single male plant can ruin your entire yield? My friend tried to do it, ended up scorching his entire harvest because he used tap water and forgot there was water softener in it.

People will pay for convenience it's as simple as that. Sure some will grow, but most would rather not wait 4-8 months.


An acquaintance of mine grew some once. He found some seeds while cleaning out an old drawer and planted them. No messing about with germinating in damp toilet paper, just straight in a pot with some compost. Voila, little shoots after a while. Then re-potted and put outside when it was warm enough. Then they started to smell so his wife made him leave them outside constantly. After a few months he harvested the two plants which had both reached over 3' and yielded about 3.4oz (wet). It was nice too. Not superskunk strength but far better than a lot of weed. Allegedly.

scottydoesntknow: Big_Fat_Liar: You could say that, but would it be true? In a legal environment you could EASILY and darn-near effortlessly grow all the pot you could possibly smoke

Have you ever tried growing before or are you talking out of your ass? It's a pain in the ass to grow anything even remotely good. Investments in lighting, A/C, soil, pH supplies, etc. set you back from the get go. Outdoor requires near constant sunlight, but a mild temperature and you have bugs. Then you have to watch for pretty much everything. Did you know that accidentally leaving a single male plant can ruin your entire yield? My friend tried to do it, ended up scorching his entire harvest because he used tap water and forgot there was water softener in it.

People will pay for convenience it's as simple as that. Sure some will grow, but most would rather not wait 4-8 months.

"Have you ever tried growing before"

Yes, on a few occasions in my twenties - damn good stuff too (why grow bad stuff?)

"or are you talking out of your ass?"

No

"It's a pain in the ass to grow anything even remotely good"

Compared to the time and investment in beer brewing equipment, know-how, and expense? Not even close. Pot is easy. Even a pothead could do it...maybe not a stupid pot head, but an average or above average pot head.

PH supplies? Quit fooling around with shiat that doesn't matter. Buy potting soil and throw it out when you're done. Water deep, let it dry a little between water, keep the air moving and the temp down, use HPS and metal halide lights, or in a small setup use one kind and supplement with cool or warm fluorescent (but not fluorescent alone - you'll have spindly plants) ...it is a science experiment, but it isn't rocket science. Don't harvest too early because you couldn't wait another two weeks. tada.

Yes, I did know one male can ruin....not difficult, indoors. Not stirring the pot enough will produce a burnt coffee taste in your beer too.

Brewing beer right costs more, takes more time, takes more "skill", and the equipment even takes up more space than a grow area to supply one person with decent weed. You want to compare the highest end weed, then you need to compare to brewing barley wine from grain. Again, the pot growing is easier.

fireclown: Big_Fat_Liar: santadog: MasterPython: fireclown: JackieRabbit: Big Pharma will never allow that to happen. To them it isn't nonsense -- unless you spell nonsense $$$$$.

As a homebrewer, I have to notice that big beer did.

Homebrewing is way to labour intensive to hurt big beer.

You could say the same thing about growing good pot... but alas, there is Big Pharma

You could say that, but would it be true? In a legal environment you could EASILY and darn-near effortlessly grow all the pot you could possibly smoke - even 10x all the pot you could possibly smoke. It's as easy as those two or three tomato or pepper plants I stick in the ground most years. I'm an on again off again home brewer, as well as a "Fark moderate" drinker, and there is no way I could keep my job, take care of shiat at home, and brew all the beer I drink. shiat, I couldn't brew all the beer I spill...


You can brew a good bit. Hops are fairly easy to grow, and once they are established they grow like damned weeds. With a good mini keg setup and CO2 tanks you can brew a surprising amount. It may be that I'm more familiar with brewing, but the weed farming process always seems like a lot of work to me.

Trust me, brewing is more work. Even when you have a semi-automated electric brewery in your basement.

scottydoesntknow: Big_Fat_Liar: You could say that, but would it be true? In a legal environment you could EASILY and darn-near effortlessly grow all the pot you could possibly smoke

Have you ever tried growing before or are you talking out of your ass? It's a pain in the ass to grow anything even remotely good. Investments in lighting, A/C, soil, pH supplies, etc. set you back from the get go. Outdoor requires near constant sunlight, but a mild temperature and you have bugs. Then you have to watch for pretty much everything. Did you know that accidentally leaving a single male plant can ruin your entire yield? My friend tried to do it, ended up scorching his entire harvest because he used tap water and forgot there was water softener in it.

People will pay for convenience it's as simple as that. Sure some will grow, but most would rather not wait 4-8 months.

Um, it isn't that hard. Yes, you need to pay attention to pH and environmental variables, but it is ridiculously easy to do, even for a well read beginner.

/so I've heard

300$ lights(4 lights in flower, 1 on veg) 1500$
New bulbs purhcased every 6 months, costs 30$ a bulb bought in packs of 6 for cheaper price, 170$
50$ ph pen bought once and re calibrated every 2 months(costs around 10$ in calibration solution) 110$
400$ nutrient x5(5 types of nutrients bought in bulk to save money run out after 8 months) 2000$
Nutrients run out fast! And with RO water you need to supplement your calcium magnesium, Thats an additional nutrient
Reservoir tanks(one per strain) 30$ each
Bubblers and jet pumps NEED oxygen 20$ per reservoir
Insulation and poly for your room(depending on size) 150$
Dehumifier 150$
Humidier 80$
Space Heater 20$
crappy 12k btu ac unit - 400$ (mind you a 1k watt light is 3k btu required in ac to cool it
C02 burner 400$
carbon filter 400$(i have a large one)
vortex fans x5 150$ each (About one per light)
20$ a year in special growing pots
60$ every 6 months on growing medium, it can only be reused for one more grow)
640$ a month power bill

That was just off the top of my head, I could go into the other room and probably find 10 more things to add to the list. Those are just an idea of what is REQUIRED to create MEDICAL grade high quality cannabis. I choose to use a few special items but thats only saving dollars when changed to something else.

Creating a product that is perfect vs a product that has any sorts of issues and becomes non medicinal is a huge leap and one that most people cant fathom