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2012-05-04 12:28:36 PM
I never get the humor behind these kind of headlines. The kind of people who make fun of how powerless the UN is to end conflicts or intervene in the affairs of sovereign nations are the same exact people who would scream and cry if the UN were ever actually empowered to do those things.
 
2012-05-04 12:41:09 PM

Cagey B: I never get the humor behind these kind of headlines. The kind of people who make fun of how powerless the UN is to end conflicts or intervene in the affairs of sovereign nations are the same exact people who would scream and cry if the UN were ever actually empowered to do those things.


Whether true or not it still got a chuckle out of me.
 
2012-05-04 12:42:35 PM

Cagey B: I never get the humor behind these kind of headlines. The kind of people who make fun of how powerless the UN is to end conflicts or intervene in the affairs of sovereign nations are the same exact people who would scream and cry if the UN were ever actually empowered to do those things.


We just think it's dumb. So we make fun of it when it tires to do things it obviously can't. The reasons we don't want a confederacy of dunces to have more power should be pretty obvious.

/not subby
 
2012-05-04 12:42:51 PM

Cagey B: I never get the humor behind these kind of headlines. The kind of people who make fun of how powerless the UN is to end conflicts or intervene in the affairs of sovereign nations are the same exact people who would scream and cry if the UN were ever actually empowered to do those things.


The people you speak of do not want to see a stronger UN, they want to see no UN, or at least no US funding for the UN.
 
2012-05-04 12:45:13 PM

Cagey B: I never get the humor behind these kind of headlines. The kind of people who make fun of how powerless the UN is to end conflicts or intervene in the affairs of sovereign nations are the same exact people who would scream and cry if the UN were ever actually empowered to do those things.


They're also the same people who call the UN "war criminals" when they do actually do something (provided there's a Democrat lying around somewhere in the White House). They also don't give a flying f*ck about what happens in African nations, apparently, because it is full of skinny black man with ammo belts and cigarettes and AIDS and it has always been so and shall be so forever.
 
2012-05-04 12:45:46 PM

Cagey B: I never get the humor behind these kind of headlines. The kind of people who make fun of how powerless the UN is to end conflicts or intervene in the affairs of sovereign nations are the same exact people who would scream and cry if the UN were ever actually empowered to do those things.


Says the guy whose user name is a play on KGB.
 
2012-05-04 12:46:18 PM
Don't underestimate them...

tcritic.com
 
2012-05-04 12:48:33 PM

thamike: Cagey B: I never get the humor behind these kind of headlines. The kind of people who make fun of how powerless the UN is to end conflicts or intervene in the affairs of sovereign nations are the same exact people who would scream and cry if the UN were ever actually empowered to do those things.

They're also the same people who call the UN "war criminals" when they do actually do something (provided there's a Democrat lying around somewhere in the White House). They also don't give a flying f*ck about what happens in African nations, apparently, because it is full of skinny black man with ammo belts and cigarettes and AIDS and it has always been so and shall be so forever.


This does not describe me. But the idea that an international bureaucracy can fix Africa has already been tried.
 
2012-05-04 12:51:53 PM
Well, to be fair, they are on track to achieve the kind of peace you can only find once everyone has killed each other.
 
2012-05-04 12:56:37 PM

YixilTesiphon: This does not describe me. But the idea that an international bureaucracy can fix Africa has already been tried.


So has the idea that Africa is a singular united homogeneous landmass with a singular identity. The fact that there was, and still is, a massive variety of people with that misconception should have basically disproved every position they held upon inception.
 
2012-05-04 12:58:41 PM

GLove88mph: Says the guy whose user name is a play on KGB.


*rolls eyes*

YixilTesiphon: This does not describe me. But the idea that an international bureaucracy can fix Africa has already been tried.


You think that European colonization of Africa in order to plunder its resources and enslave its people is trying to "fix it"?
 
2012-05-04 01:11:49 PM

Cagey B: I never get the humor behind these kind of headlines. The kind of people who make fun of how powerless the UN is to end conflicts or intervene in the affairs of sovereign nations are the same exact people who would scream and cry if the UN were ever actually empowered to do those things.


I think its because many people realize that the UN has a nagging tendency to fix all of the wrong things.

If empowered with money, legal power and overwhelming military force are they more likely to:
A) Feed starving children in Africa.
B) Liberate the social under classes of the middle east.
C) Force Asia to abide by environmental regulations.
OR
D) Try to tamper with elections and laws in perfectly functional nations because the majority of the UN's member states are run by shiathole dictators who only want to milk the system for cash so they can continue their petty wars.

Every time I see them try to send election monitors to the a G8 nation or fling angry memos at genocidal warlords, I cant help but think D will be the answer.
 
2012-05-04 01:22:12 PM

Cagey B: You think that European colonization of Africa in order to plunder its resources and enslave its people is trying to "fix it"?


I didn't think there were still people around who believe Africa's current problems originated with European imperialism, but I learn something new every day.
 
2012-05-04 01:34:29 PM

GoldSpider: Cagey B: You think that European colonization of Africa in order to plunder its resources and enslave its people is trying to "fix it"?

I didn't think there were still people around who believe Africa's current problems originated with European imperialism, but I learn something new every day.


The poster I quoted cited the "Scramble for Africa" as an attempt to "fix Africa". I understand that discussions covering two or more posts are hard to follow, but you should probably try to work out what's actually being said before commenting. Unless you're trying to oversimplify what's being talked about and put words in my mouth. And you'd never stoop to such a thing, I'm sure.
 
2012-05-04 01:44:02 PM
I lol'ed
 
2012-05-04 02:15:24 PM

toraque: Well, to be fair, they are on track to achieve the kind of peace you can only find once everyone has killed each other.


Hey, it worked for Europe. Sure, before you can get that kind of peace you have to be willing to wreck your continent wholesale, kill off a couple of generations of people, suffer through a couple of decades of famine and rebuilding, and submit half of the region to be ruled by a tyrannical ideological hegemony for 50 years.

But by the time you're done, those centuries-old hatreds will have died down to soccer riots, and everybody will just try to sell things instead of kill each other.
 
2012-05-04 02:22:41 PM
For the UN:
i2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-05-04 03:00:19 PM
Dear Princess Celestia:

It would seem the Assad government doesn't understand the power of friendship..
 
2012-05-04 04:35:26 PM
The intention was never to empower all nations equally, either in the UN or its predecessor, the League of Nations. Look at how the charter of the UN sets it up. The General Assembly will never be any more than a stage for a debating club and employment for hundreds of translators. The real power is in the Security Council, as it always has been......and powers there ignore resolutions when it suits them, us included, and this is well understood. No one wants to enable any real UN power, for fear it will be used against them at some time in the future.

Yes, the UN has done some good and perhaps those things justify its existence, perhaps they do not. But the UN is not now, was never intended to be, and at no time in the future will it ever be a world government.

If you're interested in world government, that was actually worked out in quite a bit of detail (having nothing to do with the UN) after WWII. Google "Clark-Sohn." I had to take a close look at Clark-Sohn about 40 years ago, in connection with a graduate seminar. The only thing I could ultimately take away from that experience (or any other idea about world government I've ever read about) is the old line:

"Sed Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?"

[Who then, shall guard the guardians?]

(Juvenal, Satires 6, Line 347)
 
2012-05-04 05:37:53 PM

ComicBookGuy: Dear Princess Celestia:

It would seem the Assad government doesn't understand the power of friendship..


Actually, I think it does. Why else would it insist on telling the Alawite minority supporting it that if the Sunni majority comes to power, their Sunni neighbors will rape their wives and eat their children?
 
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