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2012-05-04 11:19:06 AM
5 votes:
Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?
2012-05-04 11:24:42 AM
3 votes:
People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".
2012-05-06 04:55:36 AM
2 votes:
I'm in the dot-mil and married to a foreign national, so I'm getting a kick etc.

There are, however, a few differences between this case and my own:

1) We researched the immigration paperwork/process before even getting married.
2) Once married, we completed the whole application process and had a "provisional" green card in hand within weeks (even without the advantage of having an "anchor baby" like these guys.
3) THEN she got her driver's license.
4) THEN she started driving.
5) Two years later, when we were able to prove that it wasn't a marriage of convenience, she got full permanent residency.

I'm not going to say that the application process is not time consuming (nor that it's not incredibly expensive -- close to $1k, IIRC).

C'mon, Pfc, the DHS even makes available Spanish translations of the forms' instructions.

This family's whole situation could have been averted if they'd tuned their "laziness" and "incompetence" switches down from the 8-10 range to 2-4... and if this Soldier's chain of command had been a little more intrusive before shipping him out. It's a perfect storm of Fail.
2012-05-04 11:52:58 AM
2 votes:
Couldn't they have just checked with the clerk of court to get a copy of the marriage license when she claimed to be married to a U.S citizen? Deportations aren't cheap. Seems they could have saved everyone a lot of trouble with a phone call and a fax.

I'm sure the trolls will be along to defend this even though it's exactly the kind of thing those opposed to SB1070 have been pointing out.

Before you arsewhipes say "what's the big deal" I'd like to point out a young child was without it's mother and father for a few days FOR NO GOOD FARKING REASON!
2012-05-04 11:35:24 AM
2 votes:

Corvus: umad: HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

THIS

/fark her

She can't get a license because of AZ law. How do you not get this? You are biatching that she hasn't done something she can't do.


Boo hoo. No license? Stay the fark off of the roads. Driving is not a right.
2012-05-04 11:34:41 AM
2 votes:
Somebody who supports AZ's state bill 1070 step up to the plate an answer a question for me:

The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )
2012-05-04 11:12:04 AM
2 votes:

impaler: Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

[www.badideatshirts.com image 500x500]

Could be countered with:
"Support America"
"Take back Arizona!"

Please Mexico?


On a semi-related note, why hasn't there been a Fark thread greenlit about the JT Ready shooting spree?
2012-05-04 04:26:07 PM
1 votes:

Giltric: vrax: Giltric: skullkrusher: Giltric: Aren't there mechanisms in place for situations when a citizen marries a non citizen?


They were married years ago......way to procrastinate....of course its all Arizonas fault and not the lazy illegal immigrant who tried cutting through a parking lot to avoid construction traffic.

at least you got to say "lazy illegal immigrant" though

What would you call someone who hasn't gotten their shiat together in regards to citizenship after 4 years? Industrious? Diligent?

Poor.

How much does it cost to request, fill out, and submit the paperwork?


I-130 Filing Fee = $355
I-485, I-131, I-765 Filing Fee $930+ $80 Biometrics = $1,010
Medical Exam by USCIS designated doctors; some where from $150 to $200 if you insurance doesn't cover and all the vaccination up to $300 need to take all the shots and insurance doesn't cover.
I-751 Filing Fee $465 + $80 Biometrics = $545

Attorney's fees if necessary for green card process = somewhere from $2,000 to 4000.

Also, you need to prove that you make enough money to support your foreign spouse, which is 125% above of Federal poverty line, that is $17,112 for the household of 2 in most of states.

That's just for the 2 yr probation process. After that you continue with other fees.
2012-05-04 04:13:48 PM
1 votes:
As many of you don't understand the Legal Process to getting a Green Card for Legal Residency here is a flow chart.

Link

Now after that you have 5-7 towards citizenship.

So what part of LEGAL immigration do you not understand???


If at any point in the process paperwork gets lost, wrong forms go to wrong depts (USCIS, DOL, SS etc.) or right department wrong location, you start over again.

How about we fix LEGAL immigration before we get all up in arms about illegal immigration???

Many LEGAL immigrants become illegal during this process and don't even know it. Then you have to pay the fees just to get the paper work processed. A couple of grand $$$. If there is a problem you retain a lawyer, a good one will cost you $250 hr. Because many of these people live such extravagant lifestyles this of course is so easy, right. I mean they're not paying taxes, right????

Myself and my wife have between us 12 years of post secondary education. Having gone through the process, with English (English English) as my first language, it is not as easy as many of you dickwads think.

Go to any US immigration office and I guarantee you the people yelling at the workers there are US Citizens who don't understand the process; nor, the history of their own country.
2012-05-04 03:35:08 PM
1 votes:

vrax: So, she either waits until she's licensed to drive or she drives illegally and faces the same penalties and fines as everyone else who chooses to do so. The other problem with unlicensed driving is that it's unlikely that she's actually covered under any insurance policy.


I know, there are A LOT of people on here who, apparently, have no problem with people driving around without licenses, because.... driving is important or something like that. I'm sure that these same people would all jump to the defense of someone, let's say a white man, who had their drivers license revoked by a judge but was caught driving. I mean, obviously they shouldn't have been driving without a license, but until the suspension/revocation of his license is over, he can't get a drivers license, and it's not reasonable to expect that someone not drive simply because they don't have a drivers license.
2012-05-04 03:21:32 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: PsiChick: She had a card saying as much and explaining the lack of license.

You don't actually know that. It's he said/she said.

PsiChick: She was hauled in for being an illegal immigrant, which she was not.

She was hauled in for being a suspected illegal immigrant.

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

Gee, no drivers license, no social security number. Yeah, just give her a ticket for driving without a license and let her drive on home still without a license? The cop thought she was an illegal immigrant, that is no longer his area so he turned her over to the correct people. Those people found she was here legally and let her go. The chain of custody from the police to the border patrol to immigration took two days. What exactly is your beef here? What would you change, what should have been done differently?


Once she produced the card, that should have been the end of it. And if you doubt she produced the card, why not doubt that he wasn't just, y'know, living in Arizona and therefore under the impression that either a) racism would impress his boss or b) all brown people are Teh Scary Messicans?
2012-05-04 02:53:58 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: re.


She was 4-years old when her parents brought her to the U.S. She had no say in the matter. You have to be 18 years old to even begin the application process to become a U.S. citizen and if you're married to a U.S. citizen, you must be married 3 years before applying. As the article states, she's in the process of becoming a citizen. However, this isn't something that happens quickly.

Obviously she shouldn't have been driving without a license, but until she becomes a citizen she can't get a driver's license in Arizona.
2012-05-04 02:37:19 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: PsiChick: My argument is not that driving without a license is a crime.

Why the F didn't you just agree to that in the first place then, rather than give me some BS about laws not being black and white?

PsiChick: My argument is that she is currently in a situation where throwing her in jail was not the right response.

To driving without a license? Are you shiatting me? You just agreed it is a crime, right? So now we're at you saying "Yes she was busted for a crime, how dare they jail her for it?" What the hell?

PsiChick: What exactly are you supported by other than 'IT'S A CRIME NO TOLERANCE'?

How about once they verified her legal status they let her go. What did I win?

That's exactly what I'm farking saying

. They did verify her legal status. She had a card saying as much and explaining the lack of license. They ignored the card and hauled her in anyway..

She was not 'busted for driving without a license'. That would have been a ticket or court summons. She was hauled in for being an illegal immigrant, which she was not. Her license status was secondary, and you were arguing that her license status warranted two days in jail, when in fact her license status was a minor fluke which should have been ignored.
2012-05-04 02:13:57 PM
1 votes:

PsiChick: Fine. I will draw you a damn chart.



Seriously, take a second for some self reflection. In an argument, you refuse to agree with me that driving a car on public roads without a license is a crime. We both know you know it is. Aren't you better than this?

PsiChick: First, the woman was brought to the US as a child. She was not able to enter legally because she was, hey, a small child, which is a small humanoid too stupid to typically be able to put their clothes on right-side-out.



Let's back the fark up - I'm not advocating deporting the woman. I think the situation happened exactly as it should have.

Here are the facts: An illegal immigrant currently in the process of becoming a legal citizen was caught driving without a license. She spent two days in custody while her legal status was being verified. I say this is okay, you say that is too long. That's what we are arguing.

PsiChick: This woman was doing everything in her power to balance legal actions with safety for her family.



The hell she was. You made that up entirely. You even know that.

PsiChick: Was picking up paper plates part of that? No



See? You know damn well she was not doing "everything in her power to balance legal actions with the safety for her family." Paper plates had nothing to do with any of that crap. Now let me add two more facts you completely ignored:

The couple were married four years ago.
Garcia and the lawyer both said the couple was in the process of applying for legal status for Sanchez.


Let me add another fact - she either did not have a green card or was not carrying it on her at the time, which she would be required to do. She could have gotten a farking green card the day she got married.

Now lets return to your "doing everything in her power" bullshiat. Do you still believe that?



PsiChick: So in the meantime, in an area with no public transportation, she cannot legally obtain a driver's license.

Driving, if you don't know, is very very important if you do not live in a city.


So farking what? You're making the argument - if you live in an area with poor public transportation, you do not need a drivers license to drive because driving is very very important. Do you actually believe that? Why should anyone in her area get a drivers license? Do you even remember why we require a drivers license? You know, the whole bit about making sure people know the laws and can drive safely on our roads and whatnot? What a load of shiat. Why don't we just allow 12 year olds to drive. Do we not care about their safety?
2012-05-04 02:11:00 PM
1 votes:

Krymson Tyde: skullkrusher: Lost Thought 00: Krymson Tyde: Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

I wonder if he enjoyed his spit and feces burrito?

no, no. The cooking staff was probably all white teenagers. Mexicans staff the upscale itlaian and seafood joints

shock of my young life was going to a Chinese restaurant for the first time in Worcester, MA while in college and seeing that everyone working there was a roundeye.

I'm a health inspector; my biggest Chinese restaurant's kitchen is staffed almost entirely by Mexicans, including the sushi chef.


Let me guess, their menu includes sushi with avocado.

/Latin America's been doing interesting things with Sushi
//Not really a sushi fan, but I know some
2012-05-04 01:56:48 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: StaleCoffee: it's okay to detain someone for 2 days because they're illegal, even though it's more or less next to impossible to prove anyone is illegal

Well, you mean other than she openly admits she entered the country illegally? That was super tough.


She was a child when it happened (ergo not a crime SHE committed), and now that she's married she's here legally.

Didn't argue the rest because the rest wasn't bolded. I am lazy despite being pasty white!
2012-05-04 01:56:43 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: PsiChick: lennavan: PsiChick:

Clearly, yes\no questions and black-and-white thinking makes complete and total sense when the woman was going out of her way to not commit a crime and had circumstances conspiring against her.

Yes, there is a lot of gray area when it comes to driving without a license being a crime. That is definitely not a yes/no issue.

Further, I do not have a license and I want to make sure I go out of my way to not commit a crime, so clearly I'm going to go drive a car. That makes sense.

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Fine. I will draw you a damn chart.

First, the woman was brought to the US as a child. She was not able to enter legally because she was, hey, a small child, which is a small humanoid too stupid to typically be able to put their clothes on right-side-out.

Of course, as an adult, she had a choice in the matter--she then went to correct this problem. However, immigration takes a very long time. One of my friends has spent the past 5 years at a lowball estimate doing this. So in the meantime, in an area with no public transportation, she cannot legally obtain a driver's license.

Driving, if you don't know, is very very important if you do not live in a city. In a high desert like Arizona, the major disasters you need to be prepared for are drought and earthquakes. There are typically very few roads in high desert 'towns'--my own town, in the neighboring state, has a major river with exactly one bridge, and five incidences of the bridge being taken out and stranding the people on the other side of the occasionally-flooding river. (Flash floods are occasionally part of the desert climate. Ironic, but true.)

This woman was doing everything in her power to balance legal actions with safety for her family. Was picking up paper plates part of that? No--but the police policy for situations like this, as kindly stated by another Farker, was to say 'get a license as soon as possible' and drop the matter, not to farking threaten her with deportation and force her to abandon her daughter. The police themselves violated their own rules. This woman was certainly no saint, but the majority of the blame can be placed squarely on the people who violated their own rules.

/Notice how all of this was conveniently outlined in TFA...
2012-05-04 01:36:32 PM
1 votes:

wedun: You need to be certified to fly a plane, but you can only get an airplane certification if you are the living descendent of a former pilot. Otherwise they will find you, and they will lock you up and take your plane away.


So I can't legally be a pilot, so of course that means I have a right to fly a plane anyway because I really want to, and if I get caught I shouldn't face any consequences.
2012-05-04 01:21:15 PM
1 votes:

lennavan: PsiChick: Also, as another Farker was kind enough to point out, this is a big deal because a young child was left with both her parents gone for no good reason.

Yes. One parent decided to join the Army knowing he would be shipped far away and the other parent decided to go out driving without a license. Farking police.


Because clearly trying to earn citizenship for your wife and not having public transportation to rely on to take care of your child is a crime. Did you even read the article? This wasn't the police policy at all. This was the result of a culture that is ridiculously racist. It could have, and should have, been prevented.
2012-05-04 01:13:59 PM
1 votes:
My neighbor (a naturalized citizen) tried to get her fiance over here from India for about a year. She went there and married him, thinking it would be easier to get him here if he was her spouse. It's been two years and he still hasn't been able to move here.
2012-05-04 12:49:39 PM
1 votes:

Okie_Gunslinger: Okay I'm not real up to date on immigration procedures but the article says that they have been married for 4 years, does it really take that long to get citizenship even if you are married to an American citizen? If she didn't have a Drivers License she probably wasn't covered by the cars insurance either, if that is the case she got what was coming to her. Uninsured drivers tick me off.


My friend has been trying to apply for citizenship legally for the past 5-10 years. She has had her green card the entire time. She's a nineteen-year-old college student with straight-A grades and plans to research cures for malaria.

It really is not as simple as it sounds, which is probably why FTFA's woman didn't have a license. She was a competent driver, but couldn't get the little card saying that because of legal issues.

Also, as another Farker was kind enough to point out, this is a big deal because a young child was left with both her parents gone for no good reason. And unless it's murder, child abuse, or some crime on that level, it is not a good reason.
2012-05-04 12:23:15 PM
1 votes:

CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: wedun:

It's hard enough to reform immigration when the racist anti-immigrant crowd won't shut the fark up about "illegals." As if they're not farking human beings.

oh please...

we call thieves, thieves without implying they are not human beings.

We call them "thieves" not "illegals"


So now you're saying all undocumented immigrants are the same as theives? As if a 4 year old girl had a choice in where her parents brought her and where she grew up?

You are a disgusting person. It's a shame that your ancstors weren't farking deported by the English.
2012-05-04 12:18:32 PM
1 votes:

LarryDan43: I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?

No. You need a third party sponsor. Then they investigate you for a year or so to make sure its not a sham wedding. Then you need to stay married for awhile unless your citizen spouse beats the crap out of you...


That just makes you a resident alien, not a citizen, and even then it's not that easy.

My buddy met his (now) wife in College. She came over from Hong Kong and she stayed here after college mostly on work visas for like 5 years (which is pretty much indentured servitude, but that's another story). While doing all that she started the process of trying to earn citzenship. They got married before that was complete which apparently raised red flags somewhere and delayed her getting a Green Card (making her a legal alien).

All this despite the fact that she lived at the same address as her now husband for about 7 years. I think her citizenship papers actually got finished before they approved her marriage as real.
2012-05-04 12:15:01 PM
1 votes:

DrewCurtisJr: Magorn: The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )

Just because you are employed and pay taxes doesn't mean you are aren't a net tax burden. It doesn't mean a U.S. citizen would be doing that job and paying taxes instead of being jobless and having his wages depressed. It also would have zero deterrent effect , what would be the point of having any immigration policy?


Good, now we're getting somewhere So In your mind, a major goal of having an immigration policy is protectionism? specifically making sure all natural born citizens are gainfully employed before we start letting in other people to do those jobs? It's a defensible position, but why is that the sole protectionist measure we employ to help our citizens? In fact why would we have an immigration policy that does one thing, and then things like Free trade agreements and tax code incentives that do the exact opposite and encourage the export of jobs overseas?

Seems a strange way to run a country.

To me the point of having an immigration policy is to have a mechanism for removal of those who are undesirable in the first place (career criminals violent offenders etc) or just can't make thing work for themselves here
2012-05-04 12:14:02 PM
1 votes:

I alone am best: I do have a question though about this whole situation. For cases like these why is the immigrant not given some sort of ID during the process that keeps things like this from happening?


That is far to easy of a solution to implement, and probably already exists, but is not used.
2012-05-04 12:12:49 PM
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Bathia_Mapes:

right. you get deported for being in the country illegally.
why is that so hard to understand?

She was brought to the U.S. when she was 4-years old. She's married to a gainfully employed U.S. citizen and has a child who was born in the U.S. She and her husband are currently working on getting her U.S. citizen.

As you said, "Why is that so hard to understand?"

If she is "working on getting her US citizen" than she should have some legal paperwork that demonstrates that and this wouldn't be an issue, right?

In the meantime she has nothing and is driving around the state without a license breaking traffic laws.

She could have left the country ANYTIME once she was old enough to realize that she was in the country illegally.


God you are so dense. Here's a hint; the US legal system is not that user-friendly and neither are cops.
2012-05-04 12:11:05 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: Wait so they didn't deport her? The monsters.

oh cmon, I am sure you can find something to be outraged at. Say something about her being brown

Aw cmon give me more credit than that

I was. I was being sarcastic and making fun of the rest of the mooks up in here ;)

I think asylum in cases like this is a privilege. A privilege we would be dicks not to grant, but still a privilege. Since we have new regulations to prevent deportations in cases like this, there may be incidents like this while agencies get used to the new regulations because agencies are run by people. If you came here illegally and the only thing that happened was that you got scared for a minute and they were meanie heads just be happy the law is in place and that it grants you that asylum. At the end of the day, even though she was four, she came here illegally.

I'm jealous of your Vindaloo

there's no way a guy who's shipped off to fight should have to worry about his family at home and I am happy that this seems to be all working out but damn girl, get your farking green card and driver's license ya fookin lollygagger!


It isn't like she can just walk down to her local Naturalization office and take care of the paperwork in a day, or even a month. I used to have a flow chart that explains it, but getting in to the US legally is a process that can take about a decade even in the best circumstances, and there are all manner of stupid technical issues that can start the whole process over again in an instant. A major reason why "illegal immigration" is so common is because legal immigration into the US is so difficult.
2012-05-04 12:08:43 PM
1 votes:
A few people have mentioned about automatic citizenship from marriage to a US citizen.

It doesn't work that way. A few people have also pointed out that you have to go through the process of becoming a Resident, aka Green Card holder, and then have to be a green card holder for I think at least 3 years. After the 3 years and all that, you have to apply to citizenship, which can take a long time depending on your situation.

Immigration is a pain in the ass process that is expensive. That being said, I understand why it is full of precautionary steps which are necessary to prevent sham marriages and whatever, but it should have a better way of going about it.

/hubby is an immigrant, military. went through green card and citizenship shiat with him.
//not a sham marriage!
2012-05-04 12:05:27 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Somebody who supports AZ's state bill 1070 step up to the plate an answer a question for me:

The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )


Because it's a numbers game. ICE is judged by whether it meets its quota of deportations or not. As such, they are always looking for possible immigrants caught in our "justice" system they can deport. When they get a hit, they act on it quickly. This lady's lucky; if you watch the Frontline documentary on this issue, you'll see that plenty of folks find themselves sitting in detention within 24 hours of these sorts of arrests.

What you propose would be fair, easy, and intelligent. That is exactly why so many institutional and political interests are opposed to it.
2012-05-04 12:02:25 PM
1 votes:

Magorn: Somebody who supports AZ's state bill 1070 step up to the plate an answer a question for me:

The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )


Particularly when she came here at age four, long before she had any choice in the matter.
2012-05-04 12:01:46 PM
1 votes:

sammyk: Couldn't they have just checked with the clerk of court to get a copy of the marriage license when she claimed to be married to a U.S citizen? Deportations aren't cheap. Seems they could have saved everyone a lot of trouble with a phone call and a fax.

I'm sure the trolls will be along to defend this even though it's exactly the kind of thing those opposed to SB1070 have been pointing out.

Before you arsewhipes say "what's the big deal" I'd like to point out a young child was without it's mother and father for a few days FOR NO GOOD FARKING REASON!


It doesn't matter to the trolls. They can sit in their mother's basement and make inflammatory comments, which is the only thing that brings happiness to their existence. I've wondered what it's like to live a life so devoid of meaning that you can look at situations like this and think "Heh, I'm gonna hop on some forum and make nasty comments to piss people off."
2012-05-04 12:01:31 PM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: Wait so they didn't deport her? The monsters.

oh cmon, I am sure you can find something to be outraged at. Say something about her being brown

Aw cmon give me more credit than that

I was. I was being sarcastic and making fun of the rest of the mooks up in here ;)


I think asylum in cases like this is a privilege. A privilege we would be dicks not to grant, but still a privilege. Since we have new regulations to prevent deportations in cases like this, there may be incidents like this while agencies get used to the new regulations because agencies are run by people. If you came here illegally and the only thing that happened was that you got scared for a minute and they were meanie heads just be happy the law is in place and that it grants you that asylum. At the end of the day, even though she was four, she came here illegally.

I'm jealous of your Vindaloo
2012-05-04 12:00:47 PM
1 votes:

I alone am best: Yes I do think that you should carry around or have a means to verify your citizenship because that would ultimately be the smart thing to do.

Additionally you should be able to prove your citizenship one way or the other. In this case, she couldn't prove her citizenship because... wait for it... she wasn't a citizen. She wasn't detained because she was Mexican, she was detained because she could not provide any ID at all when asked what her soc sec number was she couldn't provide that either. Sounds like the police were willing to go the extra mile by running her social. It seems to me this law worked as intended.

To think that being able to provide proof of citizenship is some sort of burden is ludicrous. Would you want to walk around any other country on the face of the planet without a passport if you were not a citizen?


Yep, that's the American way, presenting your papers to the authorities on a whim or face incarceration. T\hat's Freedom baby. Hey, If you don't have anything to hide, why would you have a problem with being hassled by the cops. Just like you won't have a problem allowing the cops to search your house whenever they want, right?
2012-05-04 12:00:41 PM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

[www.badideatshirts.com image 500x500]


Maybe he likes the taste of spit. And liter-o cola.

Masso: Yup. When ever someone makes minor traffic violations, my first thought was always "Damn, must be illegal alien." On the other hands, she shouldn't be driving without driver license (though public transportation might not be an option there).


Some police LOVE to pull over for minor traffic infractions, just in hopes of getting lucky, especially if it's a slow / low crime area. In upstate New York , I was driving back from a golfing with co-workers with a head light out. Far as I know, it just went out that day. I was pulled over three times over the course of 10 times.
2012-05-04 12:00:19 PM
1 votes:

Corvus: umad: HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

THIS

/fark her

She can't get a license because of AZ law. How do you not get this? You are biatching that she hasn't done something she can't do.


Look, it's not Arizona's fault she's illegal. Their laws are perfectly reasonable. Citizens can get drivers licenses. If she'd become a citizen when she was supposed to, she'd have a driver's license. Now you're trying to make an exception for her because she wants to do the right thing and....

OK, I can't do this. I'm going to drive over to Arizona and cockpunch the first person I see.
2012-05-04 12:00:09 PM
1 votes:
ICE sure is doing a great job, aren't they guys? Pushing them to meet their numbers (40k deportations a year, iirc) sure is helping the country, isn't it?
2012-05-04 11:59:44 AM
1 votes:

saintstryfe: The article isn't clear: Does she not HAVE a driver's licence, or just didn't have the physical card on her?


Someone implied that you can't get an AZ license unless you're a full citizen, and someone else said that process takes years after your married, with multiple individual interviews and a third party sponsor.

So of course she's going to use public transit for everything in her life, what with Phoenix's awesome subway service.
2012-05-04 11:58:50 AM
1 votes:

DeaH: Esc7: Masso: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

They are working on her immigration status according to the article. Part of the reason the hubby went into military.

I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?

No, it's not automatic, and the Feds can say no. This is not new. I know it's been this way since at least the 1970s. There is a process, and it takes time. My grandpa married a U.S. Citizen (my grandma) in the 1940s. He became a U.S. Citizen in the 1960s.


A guy I worked with married a Ukrainian. It took them six months to get everything worked out.
2012-05-04 11:57:06 AM
1 votes:

Esc7: Masso: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

They are working on her immigration status according to the article. Part of the reason the hubby went into military.

I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?


No, it's not automatic, and the Feds can say no. This is not new. I know it's been this way since at least the 1970s. There is a process, and it takes time. My grandpa married a U.S. Citizen (my grandma) in the 1940s. He became a U.S. Citizen in the 1960s.
2012-05-04 11:51:07 AM
1 votes:

Okie_Gunslinger: Okay I'm not real up to date on immigration procedures but the article says that they have been married for 4 years, does it really take that long to get citizenship even if you are married to an American citizen? If she didn't have a Drivers License she probably wasn't covered by the cars insurance either, if that is the case she got what was coming to her. Uninsured drivers tick me off.


Yes, it really does take that long. i would think she'd have a green card by now though, but *shrugs*.
2012-05-04 11:50:19 AM
1 votes:

WombatControl: But this woman was apparently driving without a license and was apparently not holding any ID.


They said she showed military spouse ID.


Green told msnbc.com that Sanchez should never have been turned over to immigration agents in the first place because she produced a military spouse ID card.


But that said, she chose to come here as a young child. Should have known better. Kick her out.
2012-05-04 11:49:15 AM
1 votes:

Esc7: Masso: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

They are working on her immigration status according to the article. Part of the reason the hubby went into military.

I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?


Nope. Otherwise people would be entering into sham marriages just so the non-citizen can become a citizen.

Even going the route like the couple in the article are doing gets a lot of questioning by the immigration department. They're questioned separately as to each others habits, likes, dislikes. Basically they're questioned as to how well they know each other to rule out a sham marriage. And trust me when I say that these separate interviews are not a one time event.
2012-05-04 11:47:20 AM
1 votes:

jst3p: Fair enough, but if she weren't driving she couldn't have been pulled over. I am not saying "Fark her", just that if she is here illegally and she wants to prevent her children from being traumatized avoiding breaking the law is a good start.

/and get the hell out of Az.


I get that, and agree. We really don't know the circumstances, why she was actually pulled over.

I think this illustrates the problem with Arizona's law, though. There was no reason for her to go through any trauma beyond a ticket for driving without a license.
2012-05-04 11:46:37 AM
1 votes:

Jackson Herring: impaler: Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

[www.badideatshirts.com image 500x500]

Could be countered with:
"Support America"
"Take back Arizona!"

Please Mexico?

On a semi-related note, why hasn't there been a Fark thread greenlit about the JT Ready shooting spree?


For the same reason my Treyvon Martin submissions were ignored for weeks.

They're waiting for a Mexican Al Sharpton and Mexican New Black Panthers to weigh in so bof sidez can be teh bad and we can have ourselves a nice race flame war.
2012-05-04 11:46:27 AM
1 votes:

Esc7: The one thing I love most about America is that we call all agree: Food is farking delicious.


Maybe you can agree on that, but Moo-shelle Obuttma sure doesn't. She trying to starve us all. Why I heard just the other day that she ordered the local high school to stop handing out packets of hot sauce on fried chicken Thursdays.

No, really. I heard a parent actually say that in complete seriousness. He even defended it when I challenged his idiocy.
2012-05-04 11:45:42 AM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

You carry proof of citizenship in your pocket at all times. Fascinating. In what form?

Hint: Don't say "Drivers license"

My birth certificate. I used to cross the border a lot and the easiest way to prove who I was to have my birth certificate on me. Even though I don't need it anymore with an enhanced drivers license its still in there. I also had a passport until they came out with the enhanced drivers license and I haven't renewed it.

So you believe that every single person should carry their certified birth certificate with them 100% of the time and happily show it to any law enforcement official that demands to see it or face being detained?


No silly, only if you are brown.
2012-05-04 11:45:14 AM
1 votes:

I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.


You carry your passport or birth certificate in your pocket? Those are the only proof of citizenship documents I am aware of.
2012-05-04 11:45:13 AM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Urbn: skullkrusher: Urbn: I don't understand how you can't get automatic citizenship if you are married to a US citizen, live in the US, have no criminal record, and have a child born in the US. This seems like the kind of person we'd want as a citizen.

according to TFA she was in the process of getting her legal residency

Yeah, but there should be a super quick and easy process for something like this. It just seems like we try to make it so difficult in EVERY case when we should prioritize fast tracking low risk cases and instead scrutinizing a smaller amount of higher risk cases. I also think we should have a much easier guest worker program for our direct neighbors.

I think the process is fairly easy. It can just take a while. Bureaucracy and all that. We definitely need immigration reform but she was driving without a license, broke a traffic law, got busted and is here illegally. Sounds like things went as expected aside from the part about her husband which makes it notable.


Well im certain a state like Arizona makes the process go as quickly and easily as possible.
2012-05-04 11:45:01 AM
1 votes:

Okie_Gunslinger: Magorn: The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )

Technically thats not possible, if you are here illegally you only have a clean criminal record because you haven't been caught yet.

/that said the immigration process should be made easier.


a common misconception. Illegal entry into the US at a place other than a designated border crossing is in fact a crime, as is presenting false information to a border agent to obtain entry, or trying to avoud/defeat border control measures.

Mere "illegal" presence in this country, is not, however, a crime (which is why bills in GA and AZ are trying to amend state law to re-define their "trespass" statutes to make it one). So if, you legally entered on a limited time visa, and overstayed your welcome, or were a child when your parents snuck across the border, or even accidentally wandered in to the US and decided to stay; you have not committed a crime in the US.
2012-05-04 11:44:55 AM
1 votes:

I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

You carry proof of citizenship in your pocket at all times. Fascinating. In what form?

Hint: Don't say "Drivers license"

My birth certificate. I used to cross the border a lot and the easiest way to prove who I was to have my birth certificate on me. Even though I don't need it anymore with an enhanced drivers license its still in there. I also had a passport until they came out with the enhanced drivers license and I haven't renewed it.


So you believe that every single person should carry their certified birth certificate with them 100% of the time and happily show it to any law enforcement official that demands to see it or face being detained?
2012-05-04 11:44:41 AM
1 votes:

LarryDan43: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

You carry proof of citizenship in your pocket at all times. Fascinating. In what form?

Hint: Don't say "Drivers license"

My birth certificate. I used to cross the border a lot and the easiest way to prove who I was to have my birth certificate on me. Even though I don't need it anymore with an enhanced drivers license its still in there. I also had a passport until they came out with the enhanced drivers license and I haven't renewed it.

Long form? Because no others will work unless you're white.


Yes.
2012-05-04 11:44:41 AM
1 votes:

Urbn: skullkrusher: Urbn: I don't understand how you can't get automatic citizenship if you are married to a US citizen, live in the US, have no criminal record, and have a child born in the US. This seems like the kind of person we'd want as a citizen.

according to TFA she was in the process of getting her legal residency

Yeah, but there should be a super quick and easy process for something like this. It just seems like we try to make it so difficult in EVERY case when we should prioritize fast tracking low risk cases and instead scrutinizing a smaller amount of higher risk cases. I also think we should have a much easier guest worker program for our direct neighbors.


Yeah this is farking ridiculous. post 9/11 you don't get turned into a citizen after FOUR YEARS of marriage? And that's the EASIEST WAY to become a citizen. It used to be considered automatic, but now apparently they're going to deliberate and then what? Deny her citizenship? Jesus Christ!

And if she was a legal citizen, or just turned into legal resident on her wedding day, then maybe she could have gotten a driver's license and this whole idiotic charade wouldn't have happened. And good thing her husband is a soldier, so everyone will fall over themselves fixing this, what would have happened if he was just a regular joe?
2012-05-04 11:41:58 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I alone am best: If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

Dude. I would. I'd be f*cking pissed if some cop asked me for proof of citizenship. It's just the American in me, I guess.

Sadly that sentiment, the williness to tell law enforcement of all levels "fark you, you have no need to know or even a right to ask" has been fading since at least 9/11 and for sure since Jim sessenbrenner was burned in effigy and run out of DC on a rail for holding Congress hostage and forcing it to pass the Real ID act


I get the concept. It isn't really a burden on me to provide it and I just want to get out of there asap. I don't think I have ever been asked anywhere but the border.
2012-05-04 11:41:27 AM
1 votes:

I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

You carry proof of citizenship in your pocket at all times. Fascinating. In what form?

Hint: Don't say "Drivers license"

My birth certificate. I used to cross the border a lot and the easiest way to prove who I was to have my birth certificate on me. Even though I don't need it anymore with an enhanced drivers license its still in there. I also had a passport until they came out with the enhanced drivers license and I haven't renewed it.


Long form? Because no others will work unless you're white.
2012-05-04 11:41:27 AM
1 votes:

jcooli09: jst3p: Don't Troll Me Bro!: "She explained to me that they were not charging her with any crime and that her status was going to remain the same. They want me to continue working with my lawyer and wait on the response from the immigration packet we had submitted," Garcia said.

Wow. Thanks, assholes, for not totally farking my family and traumatizing our child any more than you already have.

She bears some of that responsibility for driving without a drivers license.

The cop didn't know that before he pulled her over. I get that she shouldn't have been driving, but it's irrelevent to this discussion.


Fair enough, but if she weren't driving she couldn't have been pulled over. I am not saying "Fark her", just that if she is here illegally and she wants to prevent her children from being traumatized avoiding breaking the law is a good start.

/and get the hell out of Az.
2012-05-04 11:40:45 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )


Technically thats not possible, if you are here illegally you only have a clean criminal record because you haven't been caught yet.

/that said the immigration process should be made easier.
2012-05-04 11:40:42 AM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

You carry proof of citizenship in your pocket at all times. Fascinating. In what form?

Hint: Don't say "Drivers license"


As was established in Oral Arguments in from of the US Supreme Court about two weeks ago, if you are a native-born US citizen who has never had the need to obtain a passport, there is NO document that exists by which you can PROVE you are a US citizen. Apparently even a birth Certificate does not suffice since in cases of adoption they can be altered to reflect the adopted parents names as the natural parents
2012-05-04 11:40:33 AM
1 votes:

imontheinternet: qorkfiend: HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

Yeah, these are good questions.

Driving without a license is a crime, but you don't get held without bail and deported for it.


right. you get deported for being in the country illegally.
why is that so hard to understand?
2012-05-04 11:39:34 AM
1 votes:

Mentat: Sanchez was stopped for driving onto private property to avoid a traffic control device, according to sheriff's records. Her husband says he was told by family members that she made an illegal turn trying to get around a construction zone near the store.

Good thing that new immigration law won't be abused.


wut?
sounds like a standard traffic violation.

she has no license and is in country illegally, blame the cops for stopping someone making an illegal turn!
2012-05-04 11:39:23 AM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

You carry proof of citizenship in your pocket at all times. Fascinating. In what form?

Hint: Don't say "Drivers license"


My birth certificate. I used to cross the border a lot and the easiest way to prove who I was to have my birth certificate on me. Even though I don't need it anymore with an enhanced drivers license its still in there. I also had a passport until they came out with the enhanced drivers license and I haven't renewed it.
2012-05-04 11:39:00 AM
1 votes:

Esc7: Masso: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

They are working on her immigration status according to the article. Part of the reason the hubby went into military.

I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?


No. You need a third party sponsor. Then they investigate you for a year or so to make sure its not a sham wedding. Then you need to stay married for awhile unless your citizen spouse beats the crap out of you...
2012-05-04 11:38:53 AM
1 votes:

skullkrusher: Lost Thought 00: Krymson Tyde: Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

I wonder if he enjoyed his spit and feces burrito?

no, no. The cooking staff was probably all white teenagers. Mexicans staff the upscale itlaian and seafood joints

shock of my young life was going to a Chinese restaurant for the first time in Worcester, MA while in college and seeing that everyone working there was a roundeye.


The best sushi restaurant in my town is half japanese and half mexican. The mexicans wear a hachimaki. It is glorious.

The one thing I love most about America is that we call all agree: Food is farking delicious.
2012-05-04 11:37:33 AM
1 votes:
Okay I'm not real up to date on immigration procedures but the article says that they have been married for 4 years, does it really take that long to get citizenship even if you are married to an American citizen? If she didn't have a Drivers License she probably wasn't covered by the cars insurance either, if that is the case she got what was coming to her. Uninsured drivers tick me off.
2012-05-04 11:37:33 AM
1 votes:

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I alone am best: If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

Dude. I would. I'd be f*cking pissed if some cop asked me for proof of citizenship. It's just the American in me, I guess.


Sadly that sentiment, the williness to tell law enforcement of all levels "fark you, you have no need to know or even a right to ask" has been fading since at least 9/11 and for sure since Jim sessenbrenner was burned in effigy and run out of DC on a rail for holding Congress hostage and forcing it to pass the Real ID act
2012-05-04 11:37:11 AM
1 votes:

Don't Troll Me Bro!: "She explained to me that they were not charging her with any crime and that her status was going to remain the same. They want me to continue working with my lawyer and wait on the response from the immigration packet we had submitted," Garcia said.

Wow. Thanks, assholes, for not totally farking my family and traumatizing our child any more than you already have.


She bears some of that responsibility for driving without a drivers license.
2012-05-04 11:36:22 AM
1 votes:

Urbn: I don't understand how you can't get automatic citizenship if you are married to a US citizen, live in the US, have no criminal record, and have a child born in the US. This seems like the kind of person we'd want as a citizen.


according to TFA she was in the process of getting her legal residency
2012-05-04 11:35:15 AM
1 votes:
I don't understand how you can't get automatic citizenship if you are married to a US citizen, live in the US, have no criminal record, and have a child born in the US. This seems like the kind of person we'd want as a citizen.
2012-05-04 11:35:03 AM
1 votes:

Esc7: Masso: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

They are working on her immigration status according to the article. Part of the reason the hubby went into military.

I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?


9/11 changed everything.
2012-05-04 11:34:28 AM
1 votes:

I alone am best: If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.


Dude. I would. I'd be f*cking pissed if some cop asked me for proof of citizenship. It's just the American in me, I guess.
2012-05-04 11:34:08 AM
1 votes:

I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.


You carry proof of citizenship in your pocket at all times. Fascinating. In what form?

Hint: Don't say "Drivers license"
2012-05-04 11:33:31 AM
1 votes:

Masso: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

They are working on her immigration status according to the article. Part of the reason the hubby went into military.


I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?
2012-05-04 11:31:22 AM
1 votes:

Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.


I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.
2012-05-04 11:31:03 AM
1 votes:

Corvus: umad: HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

THIS

/fark her

She can't get a license because of AZ law. How do you not get this? You are biatching that she hasn't done something she can't do.


Can you please explain? I'm from CA.
2012-05-04 11:30:54 AM
1 votes:

StaleCoffee: No, she should get fined the same as anyone else for driving without a license.

She shouldn't be put into the deportation process since she's married to a gainfully employed U.S. citizen, mother to a natural born citizen and involved in the process of becoming a citizen so she can legally do things like get a drivers license to go to the grocery store.


this
2012-05-04 11:27:57 AM
1 votes:

I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".


You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.
2012-05-04 11:26:18 AM
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umad: HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

THIS

/fark her


No, she should get fined the same as anyone else for driving without a license.

She shouldn't be put into the deportation process since she's married to a gainfully employed U.S. citizen, mother to a natural born citizen and involved in the process of becoming a citizen so she can legally do things like get a drivers license to go to the grocery store.
2012-05-04 11:25:15 AM
1 votes:

umad: HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

THIS

/fark her


She can't get a license because of AZ law. How do you not get this? You are biatching that she hasn't done something she can't do.
2012-05-04 11:25:12 AM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?


Does this mean she will now get 90 days in jail for driving without a license? That is the PA number, not sure what it would look like in AZ.
2012-05-04 11:23:50 AM
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"She explained to me that they were not charging her with any crime and that her status was going to remain the same. They want me to continue working with my lawyer and wait on the response from the immigration packet we had submitted," Garcia said.

Wow. Thanks, assholes, for not totally farking my family and traumatizing our child any more than you already have.

"If tomorrow is the day that I deploy, my heart and mind will be at ease and I can contribute more toward completing my mission, which is proudly serving and protecting my country."

Just because things turned up roses, in the end, this time around, for your family, doesn't mean that things are okay. The mechanisms and inherent problems that led to this are still in place, and there is still a large portion of the American populace that won't have it any other way.
2012-05-04 11:23:31 AM
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Corvus: Good ol' GOP "family values", trying to break up and deport wives and mothers from their wives and children.


Family values only available for whites. Offer void in Utah.
2012-05-04 11:23:30 AM
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Mentat: Sanchez was stopped for driving onto private property to avoid a traffic control device, according to sheriff's records. Her husband says he was told by family members that she made an illegal turn trying to get around a construction zone near the store.

Good thing that new immigration law won't be abused.


Yup. When ever someone makes minor traffic violations, my first thought was always "Damn, must be illegal alien." On the other hands, she shouldn't be driving without driver license (though public transportation might not be an option there).
2012-05-04 11:23:08 AM
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Jackson Herring:

On a semi-related note, why hasn't there been a Fark thread greenlit about the JT Ready shooting spree?


Too busy linking the Cleveland anarchist failed bombers to OWS.
2012-05-04 11:21:15 AM
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HotWingConspiracy: She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?


she can't get a license or she would be deported. You know Arizona law.

This reminds me of Republicans I know complaining that Gays want benefits without getting married when they can't actually get married.
2012-05-04 11:21:01 AM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?


Yeah, these are good questions.
2012-05-04 11:20:45 AM
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?


If you would give her a green card, she could get a license.
2012-05-04 11:18:41 AM
1 votes:
Good ol' GOP "family values", trying to break up and deport wives and mothers from their wives and children.
2012-05-04 11:17:33 AM
1 votes:
Soldiers and their wives cheat more than cops.
2012-05-04 11:14:39 AM
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Jackson Herring: impaler: Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

[www.badideatshirts.com image 500x500]

Could be countered with:
"Support America"
"Take back Arizona!"

Please Mexico?

On a semi-related note, why hasn't there been a Fark thread greenlit about the JT Ready shooting spree?


I don't know. I think mine was trolltastic enough yesterday. Sad about redlight :(
2012-05-04 10:56:52 AM
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Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

[www.badideatshirts.com image 500x500]


Could be countered with:
"Support America"
"Take back Arizona!"

Please Mexico?
2012-05-04 10:06:02 AM
1 votes:
Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

www.badideatshirts.com
 
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