Aren't there mechanisms in place for situations when a citizen marries a non citizen?


They were married years ago......way to procrastinate....of course its all Arizonas fault and not the lazy illegal immigrant who tried cutting through a parking lot to avoid construction traffic.

saintstryfe: The article isn't clear: Does she not HAVE a driver's licence, or just didn't have the physical card on her?

She didn't and according to Arizona law, she can't get a driver's license until she's a citizen.

Giltric: Aren't there mechanisms in place for situations when a citizen marries a non citizen?


They were married years ago......way to procrastinate....of course its all Arizonas fault and not the lazy illegal immigrant who tried cutting through a parking lot to avoid construction traffic.

at least you got to say "lazy illegal immigrant" though

Okie_Gunslinger: Okay I'm not real up to date on immigration procedures but the article says that they have been married for 4 years, does it really take that long to get citizenship even if you are married to an American citizen? If she didn't have a Drivers License she probably wasn't covered by the cars insurance either, if that is the case she got what was coming to her. Uninsured drivers tick me off.

My friend has been trying to apply for citizenship legally for the past 5-10 years. She has had her green card the entire time. She's a nineteen-year-old college student with straight-A grades and plans to research cures for malaria.

It really is not as simple as it sounds, which is probably why FTFA's woman didn't have a license. She was a competent driver, but couldn't get the little card saying that because of legal issues.

Also, as another Farker was kind enough to point out, this is a big deal because a young child was left with both her parents gone for no good reason. And unless it's murder, child abuse, or some crime on that level, it is not a good reason.

tenpoundsofcheese: If she is "working on getting her US citizen" than she should have some legal paperwork that demonstrates that and this wouldn't be an issue, right?

Do you carry around paperwork proving you're a citizen? Do most people in the U.S. do that? Does the average person working towards getting citizenship carry around their legal papers?

wedun: DrewCurtisJr: Bathia_Mapes: She didn't and according to Arizona law, she can't get a driver's license until she's a citizen.

That's not true. Legal residents can get an AZ driver's license, you don't have to be a citizen, just here legally.

Sorta like how folks can eat cake once they run out of bread.

You must be a person who is not in violation of government residency laws to acquire a government issued license to operate a motor vehicle == Marie Antoinette.

You sir, are a genius.

wedun: skullkrusher: wedun: DrewCurtisJr: Bathia_Mapes: She didn't and according to Arizona law, she can't get a driver's license until she's a citizen.

That's not true. Legal residents can get an AZ driver's license, you don't have to be a citizen, just here legally.

Sorta like how folks can eat cake once they run out of bread.

You must be a person who is not in violation of government residency laws to acquire a government issued license to operate a motor vehicle == Marie Antoinette.

You sir, are a genius.

I think it captures the complete lack of empathy pretty well.

empathy that people in the country illegally cannot obtain government documents is akin to being blind to the struggles of people starving to death? I think your Empathizer2000 is set a bit too high.

lennavan: You know, it's pretty hard to garner sympathy here. I see a lot of poutrage and a lot of derp. Here's one:

Green said her detention runs counter to an immigration policy the Obama administration introduced in 2010 called "parole in place," which allows illegal immigrants who are spouses, parents and children of American citizens serving in the military to complete the process of becoming legal residents without having to leave the U.S.

It runs counter? Did they force you to leave the US? Or perhaps is your sob story not so sobtastic? What else is derptastic here?

Sanchez was stopped for driving... After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

Gee, she was stopped while driving and did not have a driver's license and then taken into custody. I'm super duper super mad right now, how could they? How mad is the husband?

It happened on my daughter's 3rd Birthday while on her way to pick up paper plates for the party that was planned for that afternoon," Guillermo said in an email.

I mean yeah, your wife was breaking the law, driving around without a license but you're in the Army dude, and she needed paper plates for a birthday party, so OH MYGOSH THIS IS SUPER POUTRAGEOUS.

Where's the personal farking responsibility? Your wife was arrested because she was driving a car without a license. Then she was detained for a bit longer because her immigration status is iffy, due to her you know, entering the country illegally. Remember that bit?

She was detained for at least two days and it sounds like her H could not get any information regarding the situation. FTA:

Garcia, 22, had been waiting helplessly in Vilseck, Germany, where he is stationed with the 2nd Cavalry Regiment and awaiting imminent deployment, for word of his wife since Tuesday afternoon.

Araceli Mercado Sanchez, 22, who has been in the U.S. illegally since she was a young child, was released on Thursday from an immigration jail in Eloy, Ariz.

Detained for a bit longer is downplaying the detained for two days without releasing information to your husband regarding your status as they work to deport you.

Yes, we give preferential treatment to people who are married to citizens, gainfully employed by our military, with imminent deployment to a combat zone pending, with very young children, who are in the process of becoming a legal citizen, with proper identification.

A Military Spouse ID Card, whether or not she had it on her, is no more difficult than a drivers license to verify.

People around here in NJ intentionally drive *without* a license on them in order to drive at ridiculously high speeds but jack the ticket down to failed to present appropriate documents.

The suggestion that you drive around with your long form birth certificate is absurd. This is not soviet farking russia circa 1960.

Yes. She was brought here illegally at the age of 4. The naturalization process takes years and begins at the age of 18. To become a legal permanent resident she needs to live here for 5 years or more, or be married to a U.S. citizen for 3 or more years. They've been married 4 years and she's 22 years old, and the process of becoming a legal permanent resident and then naturalizing as a citizen is not simply a matter of taking a test and waving a little flag.

So again, yeah. She shouldn't have been driving. Neither should that biatch from Teen Witch but she's white and rich.

/alliteration

wedun: qorkfiend: I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to drive without a license, even if you were born in the US.

Clearly we should judge this undocumented woman's decision to not obtain a driver's license the same way we would for a documented resident/citizen. It's only fair that we treat all parties equally. This woman made the choice of trying to live a middle class lifestyle in this country without middle class credentials and she has to PAY THE PENALTY!

yep, you're a genius alright

lennavan: PsiChick: Also, as another Farker was kind enough to point out, this is a big deal because a young child was left with both her parents gone for no good reason.

Yes. One parent decided to join the Army knowing he would be shipped far away and the other parent decided to go out driving without a license. Farking police.

Because clearly trying to earn citizenship for your wife and not having public transportation to rely on to take care of your child is a crime. Did you even read the article? This wasn't the police policy at all. This was the result of a culture that is ridiculously racist. It could have, and should have, been prevented.

lennavan: qorkfiend: wedun: This woman made the choice of trying to live a middle class lifestyle in this country without middle class credentials and she has to PAY THE PENALTY!

No, this woman made the choice of driving without driving credentials.

I dunno qorkfiend, I'm gonna side with wedun on this one. I'm kinda pissed off the hospital won't let me perform surgery. What like I need some stupid farking piece of paper that says I went to Medical School? Dude, I've got youtube and shiat. I just want to live a middle class lifestyle without the meaningless credentials.

I'm gonna go fly me some aeroplanes. I've always wanted to try my hand at a 787. It can't be that hard.

wedun: skullkrusher: wedun: skullkrusher: wedun: DrewCurtisJr: Bathia_Mapes: She didn't and according to Arizona law, she can't get a driver's license until she's a citizen.

That's not true. Legal residents can get an AZ driver's license, you don't have to be a citizen, just here legally.

Sorta like how folks can eat cake once they run out of bread.

You must be a person who is not in violation of government residency laws to acquire a government issued license to operate a motor vehicle == Marie Antoinette.

You sir, are a genius.

I think it captures the complete lack of empathy pretty well.

empathy that people in the country illegally cannot obtain government documents is akin to being blind to the struggles of people starving to death? I think your Empathizer2000 is set a bit too high.

You're right, I'm a bit too sensitive about this and should just accept that undocumented immigrants are treated like the subhuman underclass in this country. Maybe I should be more interested in a more pressing issue, like abortion, gun rights, voter fraud, tax cuts, or welfare entitlement reform.

guess what else. She doesn't have a SSN. Know what that means? That DMV that issues those licenses ain't be subsidized by her.

lennavan: And they verified it and released her. What's the beef? The system worked. Oh, it didn't work fast enough? Gee, maybe she shouldn't have been driving around without a license? Maybe she should have entered the country legally? I dunno, I'm just spitballin here.

Either you're trolling or just a complete ass to think that 2 days silent detention is okay for a traffic violation. She was 4 years old, and as I explained, legal residency takes awhile. Or you could just be a sarcastic twat, completely ignorant of the process involved in becoming a citizen of the country you live in.

She had identification. It shouldn't have taken two days detention without bail. When they toss your stupid ass in lockup because you forgot your wallet I'll try to shed a tear. Unless you're white, then no worries. Leave it at home and jack the ticket down so you can do 90 in a 55.

lennavan: While I appreciate the comical value of your ridiculous hyperbole, she was an illegal immigrant. Driving around with the long form birth certificate would not have helped her. You're acting like she's a legal citizen. She's not.

She's here legally. The long form birth certificate was part of a discussion earlier in this thread. Apparently you're incapable of researching anything more than five minutes old, I guess.

lennavan: An illegal immigrant, driving around without a license, spent two days in jail. Are you sure you really want to argue this one out?

No, not really. You're not interested anything but being a complete dick about it. I'm sure you'll either ignore the actual process of naturalization and the situation or come drag out some shiat about why it's okay to detain someone for 2 days because they're illegal, even though it's more or less next to impossible to prove anyone is illegal unless they're going through the legal process to become a legal citizen.

lennavan: PsiChick: Because clearly trying to earn citizenship for your wife and not having public transportation to rely on to take care of your child is a crime.

Driving without a license. Is it a crime?
Yes/No

PsiChick: This was the result of a culture that is ridiculously racist.

Driving without a license. Is it a crime?
Yes/No

PsiChick: This wasn't the police policy at all.

Arresting people who commit crimes. Police policy?
Yes/No

PsiChick: It could have, and should have, been prevented.

How should we prevent arresting illegal immigrants who commit crimes?

1) Immigrate legally
2) Stop committing crimes
3) Fark the police

Clearly, yes\no questions and black-and-white thinking makes complete and total sense when the woman was going out of her way to not commit a crime and had circumstances conspiring against her.