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2012-05-04 11:52:25 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: imontheinternet: qorkfiend: HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

Yeah, these are good questions.

Driving without a license is a crime, but you don't get held without bail and deported for it.

right. you get deported for being in the country illegally.
why is that so hard to understand?


She was brought to the U.S. when she was 4-years old. She's married to a gainfully employed U.S. citizen and has a child who was born in the U.S. She and her husband are currently working on getting her U.S. citizen.

As you said, "Why is that so hard to understand?"
 
2012-05-04 11:52:58 AM
Couldn't they have just checked with the clerk of court to get a copy of the marriage license when she claimed to be married to a U.S citizen? Deportations aren't cheap. Seems they could have saved everyone a lot of trouble with a phone call and a fax.

I'm sure the trolls will be along to defend this even though it's exactly the kind of thing those opposed to SB1070 have been pointing out.

Before you arsewhipes say "what's the big deal" I'd like to point out a young child was without it's mother and father for a few days FOR NO GOOD FARKING REASON!
 
2012-05-04 11:53:37 AM
The article isn't clear: Does she not HAVE a driver's licence, or just didn't have the physical card on her?
 
2012-05-04 11:54:35 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

You sound suspicious. Please present proof of citizenship immediately or we will be forced to detain you.

I have it in my pocket. If asked by law enforcement I could present it. I also wouldn't feel butt hurt for being asked to do so.

You carry proof of citizenship in your pocket at all times. Fascinating. In what form?

Hint: Don't say "Drivers license"

My birth certificate. I used to cross the border a lot and the easiest way to prove who I was to have my birth certificate on me. Even though I don't need it anymore with an enhanced drivers license its still in there. I also had a passport until they came out with the enhanced drivers license and I haven't renewed it.

So you believe that every single person should carry their certified birth certificate with them 100% of the time and happily show it to any law enforcement official that demands to see it or face being detained?


Yes I do think that you should carry around or have a means to verify your citizenship because that would ultimately be the smart thing to do.

Additionally you should be able to prove your citizenship one way or the other. In this case, she couldn't prove her citizenship because... wait for it... she wasn't a citizen. She wasn't detained because she was Mexican, she was detained because she could not provide any ID at all when asked what her soc sec number was she couldn't provide that either. Sounds like the police were willing to go the extra mile by running her social. It seems to me this law worked as intended.

To think that being able to provide proof of citizenship is some sort of burden is ludicrous. Would you want to walk around any other country on the face of the planet without a passport if you were not a citizen?
 
2012-05-04 11:54:52 AM

CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: Wait so they didn't deport her? The monsters.

oh cmon, I am sure you can find something to be outraged at. Say something about her being brown

Aw cmon give me more credit than that


I was. I was being sarcastic and making fun of the rest of the mooks up in here ;)
 
2012-05-04 11:55:25 AM
So she's an illegal immigrant driving without a license in Arizona who committed an illegal turn to try and avoid a wait at a construction site and I'm supposed to be outraged or surprised or something that this happened?

I mean.... c'mon. The whole racist anti-immigration bullshiat going on in places like Arizona is clearly just that: racist bullshiat. But you have to exercise a little bit of common sense. No, maybe she shouldn't have been arrested, but military family or not, my sympathy for you is going to be heavily tempered by the fact you did almost everything you could have to bring it on yourself.
 
2012-05-04 11:55:28 AM

Esc7: skullkrusher: Esc7: The one thing I love most about America is that we call all agree: Food is farking delicious.

I am gonna order myself some vindaloo for lunch. Ya know, for diversity (and deliciousness') sake

Dude, I was just introduced to paneer kofta. Motherfarking deep fried cheese balls.

DEEP FRIED CHEESE BALLS!

/what a country!


no chiste, senor. No chiste
 
2012-05-04 11:56:16 AM

jst3p: Don't Troll Me Bro!: "She explained to me that they were not charging her with any crime and that her status was going to remain the same. They want me to continue working with my lawyer and wait on the response from the immigration packet we had submitted," Garcia said.

Wow. Thanks, assholes, for not totally farking my family and traumatizing our child any more than you already have.

She bears some of that responsibility for driving without a drivers license.


I agree, but the authorities are increasingly using their powers to make situations far worse than they need be in the name of "national security" and "protecting our freedoms," or whatever other bullshiat they spout when trying to gain more power to detain, arrest, suspend civil rights, etc.
 
2012-05-04 11:57:06 AM

Esc7: Masso: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

They are working on her immigration status according to the article. Part of the reason the hubby went into military.

I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?


No, it's not automatic, and the Feds can say no. This is not new. I know it's been this way since at least the 1970s. There is a process, and it takes time. My grandpa married a U.S. Citizen (my grandma) in the 1940s. He became a U.S. Citizen in the 1960s.
 
2012-05-04 11:57:46 AM

saintstryfe: The article isn't clear: Does she not HAVE a driver's licence, or just didn't have the physical card on her?


Easy to assume that you Can't Get a driver's license if you're not a legal citizen in the first place, which is what the article revolved around. That being said, how did she get her spouse ID? I thought you need a SSN for that to begin with.
 
2012-05-04 11:57:56 AM

I alone am best:
Yes I do think that you should carry around or have a means to verify your citizenship because that would ultimately be the smart thing to do.

Additionally you should be able to prove your citizenship one way or the other. In this case, she couldn't prove her citizenship because... wait for it... she wasn't a citizen. She wasn't detained because she was Mexican, she was detained because she could not provide any ID at all when asked what her soc sec number was she couldn't provide that either. Sounds like the police were willing to go the extra mile by running her social. It seems to me this law worked as intended.

To think that being able to provide proof of citi ...


"she produced a military spouse ID card."
"she produced a military spouse ID card."
"she produced a military spouse ID card."


Coming to the country illegally, and being here illegally are two different things.
 
2012-05-04 11:58:12 AM

Bmore O's: I logged on today looking for this exact article. Hope one creeps up soon enough.


It happened like days ago, and several articles about it have been redlit already.
 
2012-05-04 11:58:50 AM

DeaH: Esc7: Masso: I alone am best: People complaining about this are morons. She married a US citizen. She could have had this taken care of already and then she wouldn't need to worry about it. Instead she decided to ignore her legal issues and continue on, then when she gets pulled over for breaking numerous laws its all "OMG!! NAZIS@@@!!!!".

They are working on her immigration status according to the article. Part of the reason the hubby went into military.

I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?

No, it's not automatic, and the Feds can say no. This is not new. I know it's been this way since at least the 1970s. There is a process, and it takes time. My grandpa married a U.S. Citizen (my grandma) in the 1940s. He became a U.S. Citizen in the 1960s.


A guy I worked with married a Ukrainian. It took them six months to get everything worked out.
 
2012-05-04 11:59:21 AM

Magorn: The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )


Just because you are employed and pay taxes doesn't mean you are aren't a net tax burden. It doesn't mean a U.S. citizen would be doing that job and paying taxes instead of being jobless and having his wages depressed. It also would have zero deterrent effect , what would be the point of having any immigration policy?
 
2012-05-04 11:59:44 AM

saintstryfe: The article isn't clear: Does she not HAVE a driver's licence, or just didn't have the physical card on her?


Someone implied that you can't get an AZ license unless you're a full citizen, and someone else said that process takes years after your married, with multiple individual interviews and a third party sponsor.

So of course she's going to use public transit for everything in her life, what with Phoenix's awesome subway service.
 
2012-05-04 11:59:53 AM

Jackson Herring: impaler: Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

[www.badideatshirts.com image 500x500]

Could be countered with:
"Support America"
"Take back Arizona!"

Please Mexico?

On a semi-related note, why hasn't there been a Fark thread greenlit about the JT Ready shooting spree?


I have been wondering the same thing.
 
2012-05-04 12:00:09 PM
ICE sure is doing a great job, aren't they guys? Pushing them to meet their numbers (40k deportations a year, iirc) sure is helping the country, isn't it?
 
2012-05-04 12:00:19 PM

Corvus: umad: HotWingConspiracy: Immigration shiat aside:

After Sanchez told the officer she didn't have a driver's license or a Social Security number, she was taken into custody and her car was towed.

She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

THIS

/fark her

She can't get a license because of AZ law. How do you not get this? You are biatching that she hasn't done something she can't do.


Look, it's not Arizona's fault she's illegal. Their laws are perfectly reasonable. Citizens can get drivers licenses. If she'd become a citizen when she was supposed to, she'd have a driver's license. Now you're trying to make an exception for her because she wants to do the right thing and....

OK, I can't do this. I'm going to drive over to Arizona and cockpunch the first person I see.
 
2012-05-04 12:00:41 PM

Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

[www.badideatshirts.com image 500x500]


Maybe he likes the taste of spit. And liter-o cola.

Masso: Yup. When ever someone makes minor traffic violations, my first thought was always "Damn, must be illegal alien." On the other hands, she shouldn't be driving without driver license (though public transportation might not be an option there).


Some police LOVE to pull over for minor traffic infractions, just in hopes of getting lucky, especially if it's a slow / low crime area. In upstate New York , I was driving back from a golfing with co-workers with a head light out. Far as I know, it just went out that day. I was pulled over three times over the course of 10 times.
 
2012-05-04 12:00:47 PM

I alone am best: Yes I do think that you should carry around or have a means to verify your citizenship because that would ultimately be the smart thing to do.

Additionally you should be able to prove your citizenship one way or the other. In this case, she couldn't prove her citizenship because... wait for it... she wasn't a citizen. She wasn't detained because she was Mexican, she was detained because she could not provide any ID at all when asked what her soc sec number was she couldn't provide that either. Sounds like the police were willing to go the extra mile by running her social. It seems to me this law worked as intended.

To think that being able to provide proof of citizenship is some sort of burden is ludicrous. Would you want to walk around any other country on the face of the planet without a passport if you were not a citizen?


Yep, that's the American way, presenting your papers to the authorities on a whim or face incarceration. T\hat's Freedom baby. Hey, If you don't have anything to hide, why would you have a problem with being hassled by the cops. Just like you won't have a problem allowing the cops to search your house whenever they want, right?
 
2012-05-04 12:00:59 PM

Rann Xerox: Jackson Herring: impaler: Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

[www.badideatshirts.com image 500x500]

Could be countered with:
"Support America"
"Take back Arizona!"

Please Mexico?

On a semi-related note, why hasn't there been a Fark thread greenlit about the JT Ready shooting spree?

I have been wondering the same thing.


I was curious about it, too. It was so weird to see that fat f*cking nazi on my TV again, especially given the strange circumstances surrounding the occasion.
 
2012-05-04 12:01:31 PM

skullkrusher: CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: Wait so they didn't deport her? The monsters.

oh cmon, I am sure you can find something to be outraged at. Say something about her being brown

Aw cmon give me more credit than that

I was. I was being sarcastic and making fun of the rest of the mooks up in here ;)


I think asylum in cases like this is a privilege. A privilege we would be dicks not to grant, but still a privilege. Since we have new regulations to prevent deportations in cases like this, there may be incidents like this while agencies get used to the new regulations because agencies are run by people. If you came here illegally and the only thing that happened was that you got scared for a minute and they were meanie heads just be happy the law is in place and that it grants you that asylum. At the end of the day, even though she was four, she came here illegally.

I'm jealous of your Vindaloo
 
2012-05-04 12:01:46 PM

sammyk: Couldn't they have just checked with the clerk of court to get a copy of the marriage license when she claimed to be married to a U.S citizen? Deportations aren't cheap. Seems they could have saved everyone a lot of trouble with a phone call and a fax.

I'm sure the trolls will be along to defend this even though it's exactly the kind of thing those opposed to SB1070 have been pointing out.

Before you arsewhipes say "what's the big deal" I'd like to point out a young child was without it's mother and father for a few days FOR NO GOOD FARKING REASON!


It doesn't matter to the trolls. They can sit in their mother's basement and make inflammatory comments, which is the only thing that brings happiness to their existence. I've wondered what it's like to live a life so devoid of meaning that you can look at situations like this and think "Heh, I'm gonna hop on some forum and make nasty comments to piss people off."
 
2012-05-04 12:02:25 PM

Magorn: Somebody who supports AZ's state bill 1070 step up to the plate an answer a question for me:

The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )


Particularly when she came here at age four, long before she had any choice in the matter.
 
2012-05-04 12:03:03 PM

CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: Wait so they didn't deport her? The monsters.

oh cmon, I am sure you can find something to be outraged at. Say something about her being brown

Aw cmon give me more credit than that

I was. I was being sarcastic and making fun of the rest of the mooks up in here ;)

I think asylum in cases like this is a privilege. A privilege we would be dicks not to grant, but still a privilege. Since we have new regulations to prevent deportations in cases like this, there may be incidents like this while agencies get used to the new regulations because agencies are run by people. If you came here illegally and the only thing that happened was that you got scared for a minute and they were meanie heads just be happy the law is in place and that it grants you that asylum. At the end of the day, even though she was four, she came here illegally.

I'm jealous of your Vindaloo


there's no way a guy who's shipped off to fight should have to worry about his family at home and I am happy that this seems to be all working out but damn girl, get your farking green card and driver's license ya fookin lollygagger!
 
2012-05-04 12:04:12 PM

qorkfiend: She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?


YEAH WHY DIDNT SHE REGISTER FOR ONE AT THE DMV?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? !??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! ?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? !?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? !?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? ?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?! ??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!
 
2012-05-04 12:04:29 PM

robbiex0r: I alone am best:
Yes I do think that you should carry around or have a means to verify your citizenship because that would ultimately be the smart thing to do.

Additionally you should be able to prove your citizenship one way or the other. In this case, she couldn't prove her citizenship because... wait for it... she wasn't a citizen. She wasn't detained because she was Mexican, she was detained because she could not provide any ID at all when asked what her soc sec number was she couldn't provide that either. Sounds like the police were willing to go the extra mile by running her social. It seems to me this law worked as intended.

To think that being able to provide proof of citi ...

"she produced a military spouse ID card."
"she produced a military spouse ID card."
"she produced a military spouse ID card."

Coming to the country illegally, and being here illegally are two different things.


Oh, I'm sorry I missed that part. She is free to go then.

/She was still here illegally.
 
2012-05-04 12:05:27 PM

Magorn: Somebody who supports AZ's state bill 1070 step up to the plate an answer a question for me:

The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )


Because it's a numbers game. ICE is judged by whether it meets its quota of deportations or not. As such, they are always looking for possible immigrants caught in our "justice" system they can deport. When they get a hit, they act on it quickly. This lady's lucky; if you watch the Frontline documentary on this issue, you'll see that plenty of folks find themselves sitting in detention within 24 hours of these sorts of arrests.

What you propose would be fair, easy, and intelligent. That is exactly why so many institutional and political interests are opposed to it.
 
2012-05-04 12:07:24 PM

Okie_Gunslinger: Okay I'm not real up to date on immigration procedures but the article says that they have been married for 4 years, does it really take that long to get citizenship even if you are married to an American citizen?


No. it takes much longer.

It's hard enough to reform immigration when the racist anti-immigrant crowd won't shut the fark up about "illegals." As if they're not farking human beings.
 
2012-05-04 12:08:17 PM

Esc7: So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?


upload.wikimedia.org

Am I the only guy here whose wife made him go to this awful movie?
 
2012-05-04 12:08:41 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: I alone am best: Yes I do think that you should carry around or have a means to verify your citizenship because that would ultimately be the smart thing to do.

Additionally you should be able to prove your citizenship one way or the other. In this case, she couldn't prove her citizenship because... wait for it... she wasn't a citizen. She wasn't detained because she was Mexican, she was detained because she could not provide any ID at all when asked what her soc sec number was she couldn't provide that either. Sounds like the police were willing to go the extra mile by running her social. It seems to me this law worked as intended.

To think that being able to provide proof of citizenship is some sort of burden is ludicrous. Would you want to walk around any other country on the face of the planet without a passport if you were not a citizen?

Yep, that's the American way, presenting your papers to the authorities on a whim or face incarceration. T\hat's Freedom baby. Hey, If you don't have anything to hide, why would you have a problem with being hassled by the cops. Just like you won't have a problem allowing the cops to search your house whenever they want, right?


Why do you want to just get rid of every law we have and just let people do anything they want to the detriment of society? Get pulled over and asked for your insurance "F YOU PIG! I don't need to show you anything", right?

Oh, look hyperbole is fun!
 
2012-05-04 12:08:43 PM
A few people have mentioned about automatic citizenship from marriage to a US citizen.

It doesn't work that way. A few people have also pointed out that you have to go through the process of becoming a Resident, aka Green Card holder, and then have to be a green card holder for I think at least 3 years. After the 3 years and all that, you have to apply to citizenship, which can take a long time depending on your situation.

Immigration is a pain in the ass process that is expensive. That being said, I understand why it is full of precautionary steps which are necessary to prevent sham marriages and whatever, but it should have a better way of going about it.

/hubby is an immigrant, military. went through green card and citizenship shiat with him.
//not a sham marriage!
 
2012-05-04 12:09:41 PM

Bathia_Mapes:

right. you get deported for being in the country illegally.
why is that so hard to understand?

She was brought to the U.S. when she was 4-years old. She's married to a gainfully employed U.S. citizen and has a child who was born in the U.S. She and her husband are currently working on getting her U.S. citizen.

As you said, "Why is that so hard to understand?"


If she is "working on getting her US citizen" than she should have some legal paperwork that demonstrates that and this wouldn't be an issue, right?

In the meantime she has nothing and is driving around the state without a license breaking traffic laws.

She could have left the country ANYTIME once she was old enough to realize that she was in the country illegally.
 
2012-05-04 12:09:45 PM

wedun: qorkfiend: She doesn't even have a farking license. She shouldn't be driving. Is she supposed to get a pass because she farks a soldier?

YEAH WHY DIDNT SHE REGISTER FOR ONE AT THE DMV?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!? !??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! ?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!? !?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!? !?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!? !?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!??!?!?!?! ...


A lot closer would be:

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2012-05-04 12:11:05 PM

skullkrusher: CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: skullkrusher: CPennypacker: Wait so they didn't deport her? The monsters.

oh cmon, I am sure you can find something to be outraged at. Say something about her being brown

Aw cmon give me more credit than that

I was. I was being sarcastic and making fun of the rest of the mooks up in here ;)

I think asylum in cases like this is a privilege. A privilege we would be dicks not to grant, but still a privilege. Since we have new regulations to prevent deportations in cases like this, there may be incidents like this while agencies get used to the new regulations because agencies are run by people. If you came here illegally and the only thing that happened was that you got scared for a minute and they were meanie heads just be happy the law is in place and that it grants you that asylum. At the end of the day, even though she was four, she came here illegally.

I'm jealous of your Vindaloo

there's no way a guy who's shipped off to fight should have to worry about his family at home and I am happy that this seems to be all working out but damn girl, get your farking green card and driver's license ya fookin lollygagger!


It isn't like she can just walk down to her local Naturalization office and take care of the paperwork in a day, or even a month. I used to have a flow chart that explains it, but getting in to the US legally is a process that can take about a decade even in the best circumstances, and there are all manner of stupid technical issues that can start the whole process over again in an instant. A major reason why "illegal immigration" is so common is because legal immigration into the US is so difficult.
 
2012-05-04 12:11:10 PM

BMulligan: Esc7: So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?

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Am I the only guy here whose wife made him go to this awful movie?


From the 10 minutes of that movie I saw, I think you have grounds for a divorce.

/And this advice is coming to you from a chick
 
2012-05-04 12:12:12 PM

wedun:

It's hard enough to reform immigration when the racist anti-immigrant crowd won't shut the fark up about "illegals." As if they're not farking human beings.


oh please...

we call thieves, thieves without implying they are not human beings.
 
2012-05-04 12:12:49 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Bathia_Mapes:

right. you get deported for being in the country illegally.
why is that so hard to understand?

She was brought to the U.S. when she was 4-years old. She's married to a gainfully employed U.S. citizen and has a child who was born in the U.S. She and her husband are currently working on getting her U.S. citizen.

As you said, "Why is that so hard to understand?"

If she is "working on getting her US citizen" than she should have some legal paperwork that demonstrates that and this wouldn't be an issue, right?

In the meantime she has nothing and is driving around the state without a license breaking traffic laws.

She could have left the country ANYTIME once she was old enough to realize that she was in the country illegally.


God you are so dense. Here's a hint; the US legal system is not that user-friendly and neither are cops.
 
2012-05-04 12:14:02 PM

I alone am best: I do have a question though about this whole situation. For cases like these why is the immigrant not given some sort of ID during the process that keeps things like this from happening?


That is far to easy of a solution to implement, and probably already exists, but is not used.
 
2012-05-04 12:14:27 PM

Esc7: Someone implied that you can't get an AZ license unless you're a full citizen, and someone else said that process takes years after your married, with multiple individual interviews and a third party sponsor.

So of course she's going to use public transit for everything in her life, what with Phoenix's awesome subway service.



Exactly, can't come to the country legally, just come in illegally. Can't get a driver's license, drive anyway. Can't get a job, steal someone's identity.
 
2012-05-04 12:15:01 PM

DrewCurtisJr: Magorn: The authorities discover that someone is here "illegally". Further investigation reveals that they are gainfully employed, productive, tax-paying citizens with no criminal record. Why SHOULDN'T our response be to grant them a green card on the spot and start them on a path to citizenship? They've proven their ability to live within our society and laws and make postive contribution. Other than rank racism, what possible reason would we have for not welcoming them to stay at that point? (and BTW if your kin got here before about 1920 that's how it worked for them )

Just because you are employed and pay taxes doesn't mean you are aren't a net tax burden. It doesn't mean a U.S. citizen would be doing that job and paying taxes instead of being jobless and having his wages depressed. It also would have zero deterrent effect , what would be the point of having any immigration policy?


Good, now we're getting somewhere So In your mind, a major goal of having an immigration policy is protectionism? specifically making sure all natural born citizens are gainfully employed before we start letting in other people to do those jobs? It's a defensible position, but why is that the sole protectionist measure we employ to help our citizens? In fact why would we have an immigration policy that does one thing, and then things like Free trade agreements and tax code incentives that do the exact opposite and encourage the export of jobs overseas?

Seems a strange way to run a country.

To me the point of having an immigration policy is to have a mechanism for removal of those who are undesirable in the first place (career criminals violent offenders etc) or just can't make thing work for themselves here
 
2012-05-04 12:15:06 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: wedun:

It's hard enough to reform immigration when the racist anti-immigrant crowd won't shut the fark up about "illegals." As if they're not farking human beings.

oh please...

we call thieves, thieves without implying they are not human beings.


We call them "thieves" not "illegals"
 
2012-05-04 12:15:44 PM

Heron: tenpoundsofcheese: Bathia_Mapes:

right. you get deported for being in the country illegally.
why is that so hard to understand?

She was brought to the U.S. when she was 4-years old. She's married to a gainfully employed U.S. citizen and has a child who was born in the U.S. She and her husband are currently working on getting her U.S. citizen.

As you said, "Why is that so hard to understand?"

If she is "working on getting her US citizen" than she should have some legal paperwork that demonstrates that and this wouldn't be an issue, right?

In the meantime she has nothing and is driving around the state without a license breaking traffic laws.

She could have left the country ANYTIME once she was old enough to realize that she was in the country illegally.

God you are so dense. Here's a hint; the US legal system is not that user-friendly and neither are cops.


so? that means they have the right to be here illegally then?

the DMV is not user friendly either, that doesn't mean I have the right to drive without a license.

The role of the cop is not to be "user-friendly" (do you want a cop or a daddy?). Doesn't mean I can break laws because the mean-ol cop was mean to me.
 
2012-05-04 12:17:40 PM

Heron: It isn't like she can just walk down to her local Naturalization office and take care of the paperwork in a day, or even a month. I used to have a flow chart that explains it, but getting in to the US legally is a process that can take about a decade even in the best circumstances, and there are all manner of stupid technical issues that can start the whole process over again in an instant. A major reason why "illegal immigration" is so common is because legal immigration into the US is so difficult.


she's been married to a US citizen for 4 years and is now in the process of doing it. She should have begun it the day after she said "I do". Had she done that, she'd be a legal resident by now.
 
2012-05-04 12:18:32 PM

LarryDan43: I'm not too smart about immigration procedures. So when you marry a U.S. citizen, you don't automatically become a citizen?

No. You need a third party sponsor. Then they investigate you for a year or so to make sure its not a sham wedding. Then you need to stay married for awhile unless your citizen spouse beats the crap out of you...


That just makes you a resident alien, not a citizen, and even then it's not that easy.

My buddy met his (now) wife in College. She came over from Hong Kong and she stayed here after college mostly on work visas for like 5 years (which is pretty much indentured servitude, but that's another story). While doing all that she started the process of trying to earn citzenship. They got married before that was complete which apparently raised red flags somewhere and delayed her getting a Green Card (making her a legal alien).

All this despite the fact that she lived at the same address as her now husband for about 7 years. I think her citizenship papers actually got finished before they approved her marriage as real.
 
2012-05-04 12:19:59 PM

Jackson Herring: Christ. I was having dinner in a Mexican restaurant last night, and some tiny-dicked shiatweasel walked in wearing this farking shirt right here:

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That doesn't look very well made. I mean, where are the arms?
 
2012-05-04 12:21:57 PM

skullkrusher: Heron: It isn't like she can just walk down to her local Naturalization office and take care of the paperwork in a day, or even a month. I used to have a flow chart that explains it, but getting in to the US legally is a process that can take about a decade even in the best circumstances, and there are all manner of stupid technical issues that can start the whole process over again in an instant. A major reason why "illegal immigration" is so common is because legal immigration into the US is so difficult.

she's been married to a US citizen for 4 years and is now in the process of doing it. She should have begun it the day after she said "I do". Had she done that, she'd be a legal resident by now.


or at least had some paperwork that she could have shown the cop.
and had a drivers license and passed a driving test so she knows not to make illegal turns when she has kids in the cars
 
2012-05-04 12:23:15 PM

CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: wedun:

It's hard enough to reform immigration when the racist anti-immigrant crowd won't shut the fark up about "illegals." As if they're not farking human beings.

oh please...

we call thieves, thieves without implying they are not human beings.

We call them "thieves" not "illegals"


So now you're saying all undocumented immigrants are the same as theives? As if a 4 year old girl had a choice in where her parents brought her and where she grew up?

You are a disgusting person. It's a shame that your ancstors weren't farking deported by the English.
 
2012-05-04 12:24:51 PM

wedun: CPennypacker: tenpoundsofcheese: wedun:

It's hard enough to reform immigration when the racist anti-immigrant crowd won't shut the fark up about "illegals." As if they're not farking human beings.

oh please...

we call thieves, thieves without implying they are not human beings.

We call them "thieves" not "illegals"

So now you're saying all undocumented immigrants are the same as theives? As if a 4 year old girl had a choice in where her parents brought her and where she grew up?

You are a disgusting person. It's a shame that your ancstors weren't farking deported by the English.


Wha? I meant we call "thieves" "thieves" even though theft is illegal. If it was going to be equivalent we would call thieves "illegals" too
 
2012-05-04 12:25:09 PM

Magorn: Good, now we're getting somewhere So In your mind, a major goal of having an immigration policy is protectionism? specifically making sure all natural born citizens are gainfully employed before we start letting in other people to do those jobs? It's a defensible position, but why is that the sole protectionist measure we employ to help our citizens? In fact why would we have an immigration policy that does one thing, and then things like Free trade agreements and tax code incentives that do the exact opposite and encourage the export of jobs overseas?


Our immigration policy and our trade policy should "on balance" first and foremost be a benefit to the people of the U.S.. You won't get an argument from me on limited policies that export our jobs.

To me the point of having an immigration policy is to have a mechanism for removal of those who are undesirable in the first place (career criminals violent offenders etc) or just can't make thing work for themselves here

Poor, low skilled, uneducated, are also undesirable. We have enough problem with poverty already and until we can figure that out we don't need to be importing more.
 
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