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(Russia Today)   Good news: U.S. victory over Iran would only take three weeks, so no big deal   (rt.com) divider line 47
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2012-05-04 12:26:38 AM  
6 votes:
Wining the war would only take a few weeks, that's all it took in both Iraq and Afghanistan, its the 10 year occupation that is the real biatch
2012-05-03 11:26:44 PM  
6 votes:
Would it pay for itself too?
2012-05-03 11:35:57 PM  
5 votes:
Depends what you consider victory, toppling the regime? probably doable. But the next 20 years would suck.
2012-05-03 11:32:08 PM  
5 votes:

SilentStrider: Would it pay for itself too?


Only if we cut taxes. I'm always surprised that people don't get that part.
2012-05-04 02:48:25 AM  
3 votes:

Fista-Phobia: bubo_sibiricus: People who argued that war with either of these countries was going to be a quagmire were laughed at and shouted down by...

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The bullshiat that started it all.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

That's just the statement of principles. Go read the open letter to Bill Clinton about invading Iraq.

Please note that the only person missing from the list of PNAC members is GWB, because GWB became their patsy.

I was going to link to the Wikipedia page for the Foreign Policy Initiative, but it has been whitewashed completely.

Foreign Policiy Initiative Statement of Principles
Foreign Policy Initiative Staff

FPI and Mittens have lunch.

Mitt Romney's foreign policy team

Special Advisers

Cofer Black
Christopher Burnham
Michael Chertoff
Eliot Cohen
Norm Coleman
John Danilovich
Paula J. Dobriansky
Eric Edelman - FPI board of directors

Michael Hayden
Kerry Healey
Kim Holmes
Robert Joseph
Robert Kagan - FPI board of directors
John Lehman
Andrew Natsios
Meghan O'Sullivan

Walid Phares
Pierre Prosper
Mitchell Reiss
Daniel Senor - FPI board of directors
Jim Talent
Vin Weber
Richard Williamson
Dov Zakheim

While this seems like tinfoil haberdashery by me, make no mistake. The neocons are not finished with the Middle East, and they aim to commandeer Mitt Romney like they commandeered GWB. I would hope that Mittens doesn't fall for it if he gets elected, but he's got so many neocons on his advisory staff, I doubt he'll ever hear a dissenting voice in his cabinet.
2012-05-04 01:57:22 AM  
3 votes:
We'll all be home by Christmas, boys!

As if Iraq wasn't a quagmire
As if Afghanistan wasn't a quagmire

People who argued that war with either of these countries was going to be a quagmire were laughed at and shouted down by the Bush administration and their toadies.

As if any farking war in the Middle East is not going to be a quagmire.

I propose that all these assholes beating the drums for a war be on the front lines of the invasion, naked with but a jockstrap, and a 9mm pistol.

This is nothing more than a repeat of PNAC bullshiat. William Kristol and his buddies need to be tried for treason and hanged, the Iranian way.

Oh yeah, and a vote for Romney means we invade Iran. No question about it, because Romney's foreign policy advisors are directly from the Foreign Policy Institute, aka PNAC II, and the only person missing is William Kristol himself, because it would be too farking obvious.

(all this is verifiable, btw, and not tinfoil hattery)
2012-05-04 01:50:58 AM  
3 votes:
Ahh Russia times.


The best place for absolute crap.
2012-05-04 12:33:30 AM  
3 votes:

Tarkus: It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.


Three weeks before any recognizable command and control disappears, another three to finish off anything resembling organized conventional resistance. Something like 100,000 refugees, min 50-75k dead in first year, min 7 years of occupation costing trillions and a few thousand Americans along with another 50-100k civilian dead.

Sounds awesome.
2012-05-04 09:26:54 AM  
2 votes:

Clash City Farker: Listen up people of Iran: the United States will have its revenge. You should have never attacked our embassy. Before we are through with you, Iranian women will have the right TO VOTE.


If you think they started it you need to crack open a history book or get on Google, pronto.
2012-05-04 03:00:40 AM  
2 votes:
True story:

I was sitting in the airport in Istanbul about 2 years ago. I'm on a metal bench, with 5 young guys in cheap suits.

And a girl walks by, with a really great ass. Just great. High and firm and round, like a ballerina or a girl who plays a lot of tennis. We all stared at her ass, like we were trying to burn a hole in it with physic energy.

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And we caught each other, and had a laugh over it. Then one of them speaks to the others in their language, and as their spokesman stands up and comes over to me.

him: "Excuse me, are you an American? Can I ask you a question?"

me: "yeah, sure" -obviously I'm American, because I'm wearing jeans and sport shoes

him: "We are all Iranian engineers working here. And I wonder; do you think your country and mine will go to war?"

me: "No, I don't thinks so. War is very expensive and unpopular, so I don't think the American public will support another war."

he translated that back to his friends and then said, "that's too bad. we were hoping you guys would change our government."
2012-05-04 02:01:08 AM  
2 votes:
2 weeks to destroy the conventional military..... 1 week spare

then leave and see what happens.

i mean who cares if the region is stable or not? id rather have higher gas prices than deal with a 10 year peacekeeping deathtrap.

the problem with vietnam/irag/afghan is trying to maintain control. blow up their military, destroy as many supply dumps as you can find, enter suspected nuclear facilities and blow them up if confirmed.... anytime US military goes near civilians have a loud speaker blaring " RUN AWAY OR DIE" and then shoot anyone that doesnt run away,


flatten ackmadinajihad's palace and put a sign up saying...."play nice, or we'll be back"

then leave!
2012-05-04 01:53:14 AM  
2 votes:
just send them the box sets of our daytime television programs, and blueprints of our education system, and they'll just kill themselves.
2012-05-04 01:04:28 AM  
2 votes:
We have so much more to gain from NOT going to war than we have by going to war with them.

I have met so many Iranians who are so educated and modern and pro-Western, it would be such a terrible shame to go to war against Iran when we could instead negotiate with the current Islamist regime and gradually gently push them towards modernity and democracy, much like our relationship with China or Burma or Pakistan or Saudi Arabia.
2012-05-04 12:34:58 AM  
2 votes:
whyweprotest.net
2012-05-04 01:25:15 PM  
1 votes:
AIPAC should get something for their money.
2012-05-04 11:00:50 AM  
1 votes:
What are we supposed to be pissed at them about, anyway? I say let them have their sandbox. If they try to bully that Jewish kid, let him deal with it.
2012-05-04 09:27:19 AM  
1 votes:

MmmmBacon: If Iranian ground forces (or their allies) try to cross into Israeli territory,


Might want to brush up on your geography a little, Slick.
2012-05-04 08:58:06 AM  
1 votes:
The neocons never stop, never sleep.
2012-05-04 08:51:32 AM  
1 votes:
Let Israel handle its own shiat.
2012-05-04 08:13:54 AM  
1 votes:
The people in america aren't willling to let a war be fought.
They're too sensitive, unwilling to watch others make sacrifices.
The media regularly portrays even the worst of our present enemies as human beings.
People just like you and me, to be empathized with.

Then you have our government.
some say they want a war to get elected
others say they want to end a war until they are elected

The soldiers don't trust either
they are reviled by some of their neighbors at home
In danger of being accused of war crimes even if they save their fellows
in danger of being killed by the people the politicians tell them to train
they get to watch people who do FAR less get greater benefits
and flags flown at half-mast for folks who never served a day in their lives
2012-05-04 07:08:54 AM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: Dahnkster: Fartbongso says the progressives are all cool with another 12 years in Afghanistan

Has ANYONE ever successfully conquered Afghanistan? The Greeks? The Mongols? The British? The Soviets?

In 300 BC, Alexander the Great was like ""Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1840, the British position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1988, the Soviet position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

/Fun Fact: The Greeks left two things in Afghanistan: Blond haired light skinned people, and homosexuality


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The Persians of various dynasties held onto it quite well at various times. And Alexander DID conquer Afghanistan. When he died, it became part of the Seleucid Empire under his successors in that region. When the Seleucid Empire fell it became part of the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom, and so one. There were actually a couple hundred years of Greek rule before the Scythians swept in. In reality, the issue is more that EVERYONE has conquered Afghanistan at some point, and it's hard to hold onto for long before someone else comes in and conquers it. And in any case, the goal isn't really to conquer Afghanistan but to let the Afghans run their own country once we get rid of the oppressive anti-democracy types. Afghans ran Afghanistan just fine til the 70s or so.

/Fun fact: DNA tests indicate those blond-haired, light-skinned people aren't of Greek descent. They're just a genetic isolate. And Indo-Aryan cultures managed to flame it up just fine before the Greeks came through.
2012-05-04 06:21:36 AM  
1 votes:
My prediction: Israel attacks Iran sometime this summer. If Iran goes apeshiat and tries to close the straight of Hormuz, we are left with the clean up. So our forces quickly destroy Iran's ability to attack ships in the straight, and any offensive capability that Iran has to attack our bases in the region.

Israel wins in any case. They draw the US into a war it doesn't want, and by driving up oil prices, they are likely to get rid of a US president that has proven he won't suck them off.

$6+ gasoline for months before the election certainly won't help Obama.
2012-05-04 06:13:10 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-05-04 04:18:38 AM  
1 votes:

tinfoil-hat maggie: Of course it'll work, just you don't understand the true victory conditions on the scenario.


I think victory is measuring in the amount of tax payer money funneled into the bank accounts of defense contractors. Well not the contractors, but the people running the companies, the lobbyists, politicians and their staffers, given sweet heart gigs for services rendered.
2012-05-04 03:41:20 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-05-04 03:39:30 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-05-04 03:23:02 AM  
1 votes:

vernonFL: In the next 10 or 20 years, we can change the course of the middle east in a positive way, or we can change it in a negative way. Iran is a great example, just like Egypt, Libya, North Korea, etc...


I think you are spot on. I think they hope to 'Westernize' their lifestyles and water-down the more 'radical' Islamists. The fundamentalist Moslems are afraid we will turn their sons gay and their daughters into whores. It scares the shiat out of them that the young people want iPhones and Levis and dubstep. Only 70 years ago, most Arabs lived in tents and raised goats.
2012-05-04 02:48:58 AM  
1 votes:

Dahnkster: Fartbongso says the progressives are all cool with another 12 years in Afghanistan


Has ANYONE ever successfully conquered Afghanistan? The Greeks? The Mongols? The British? The Soviets?

In 300 BC, Alexander the Great was like ""Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1840, the British position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1988, the Soviet position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

/Fun Fact: The Greeks left two things in Afghanistan: Blond haired light skinned people, and homosexuality


www.musarium.com
2012-05-04 02:04:43 AM  
1 votes:
Farking Mayans.
2012-05-04 02:01:41 AM  
1 votes:

MeinRS6: Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: MeinRS6: We would also get the chance to try out a lot of the anti-missile defense systems on our ships in the Gulf.

You're actually drooling at the prospect of another war.

He'd like the idea of his people being able to throw a nuke on Tehran and not get any blame for it, amirite, Wandering Jew?

I'm not Jewish, you pathetic and racist fool.


Yeah, that one was a little uncalled for. Sorry, Mein Herr.
2012-05-04 01:58:40 AM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: The Why Not Guy: MeinRS6: We would also get the chance to try out a lot of the anti-missile defense systems on our ships in the Gulf.

You're actually drooling at the prospect of another war.

He'd like the idea of his people being able to throw a nuke on Tehran and not get any blame for it, amirite, Wandering Jew?


I'm not Jewish, you pathetic and racist fool.
2012-05-04 01:57:38 AM  
1 votes:

drjekel_mrhyde: In a perfect world China would step up and crush NK in 20 days making the US look like WTF


I find it amusing you think 1) in any scenario that involved that kind of rise in tensions between the two, China could defeat NK in 20 days and 2) the US can't.
2012-05-04 01:57:07 AM  
1 votes:

MeinRS6: meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.

One MIRV from a sub and things would wrap up in around that.


The U.S. is not going to sleep with you.
2012-05-04 01:53:40 AM  
1 votes:

meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.


One MIRV from a sub and things would wrap up in around that.
2012-05-04 01:53:37 AM  
1 votes:

MeinRS6: We would also get the chance to try out a lot of the anti-missile defense systems on our ships in the Gulf.


You're actually drooling at the prospect of another war.
2012-05-04 01:43:25 AM  
1 votes:
Ctrl+F "victory"

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2012-05-04 01:39:09 AM  
1 votes:
We would also get the chance to try out a lot of the anti-missile defense systems on our ships in the Gulf.

I think that "victory" is being defined here as "making the Iranian regime pay for developing nukes by hitting a bunch of nuke related targets and degrading their military". I don't think they are talking about regime change or occupation.
2012-05-04 12:58:08 AM  
1 votes:
Of course it'd only take three weeks. Week one would be our bombing the shiat out of Iran. Week two would be Russia, China, and the USA launching every available nuke at each other. Week three would be counting whoever had the most people left after week two.
2012-05-04 12:43:22 AM  
1 votes:
The wrong lessons were learned from Libya. Only when the people themselves rise up can fighting in support of them offer any advantages. We CANNOT shoot first, or all is lost. Drones will not be enough, no matter what Obama thinks.

The only time a country with a nuclear weapons program has dismantled it was in South Africa. Examine its history if you wish to see a model that might bear out.
2012-05-04 12:35:43 AM  
1 votes:
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2012-05-04 12:33:12 AM  
1 votes:
Pentagon strategists estimate that they would need less than a month to defeat Iranian forces should a military conflict take place.

That's probably accurate.

If you can ignore the post-whoopin' shiatstorm, anyway.
2012-05-04 12:18:14 AM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: Mentat: SilentStrider: Would it pay for itself too?

Only if we cut taxes. I'm always surprised that people don't get that part.

Silly me. You're right.


All we have to do is shift some money from the Dept of Education, NPR, and PBS and we'll be in the black for a decade!
2012-05-03 11:48:38 PM  
1 votes:
Fark it. Start a war. Enact a draft. I don't care anymore. I'm sick of looking for work, anyway.
2012-05-03 11:33:27 PM  
1 votes:
What is this, like, step 3 in the list of ways to make another war palatable?

/desensitization
2012-05-03 11:30:46 PM  
1 votes:

cman: I call bullshiat.

After Iraq, if there is one thing that we should have learned, it is that there are too many damned variables to be able to make these kinds of predictions.


ok we don't have to get as specific as "3 weeks." but i'm sure you'll agree that we can ballpark it between either six days, six weeks, or six months, right?
2012-05-03 11:28:15 PM  
1 votes:
I call bullshiat.

After Iraq, if there is one thing that we should have learned, it is that there are too many damned variables to be able to make these kinds of predictions.
2012-05-03 11:27:53 PM  
1 votes:
can we pick out the flowers that we are greeted with this time? i'm f*cking sick of iraqi posies.
 
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