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2012-05-04 05:15:57 AM
Oh, good. I had been worried about that.
 
2012-05-04 05:18:46 AM
WTF -- can we stay outta there please. The entire Middle East. Just get home and start building roads and schools again, please. Pay down the debt. Stop surveilling our own citizens. Become world leaders again. Thanks.
 
2012-05-04 05:32:26 AM

TheJoe03: It was all part of one long saga that spanned two Bush presidencies, just like our saga with Iran that has been bubbling over since the Carter administration.


Americans have the historical perspective of mayflies. This all started long before Carter was ever elected; the Iranians democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh as prime minister in the '50s, the powers-that-be here in the US decided he was a big old Commie, overthrew him in a coup and installed the Shah. Sixty farking years later, we're still getting hit with the blowback.

And yeah, we're probably going to attack them. May have to wait for the GOP to snag the presidency, but.. yeah. It sucks.
 
2012-05-04 05:32:30 AM
Lessons from Afghanistan and Iraq:

We flew a bunch of people in who didn't know the history or the terrain, not to mention the language or the culture.

We spent a lot of money to win over local warlords and consultants we didn't trust.

Worst of all, we did it with the assumption that the locals would welcome us with flowers and that we would spend $50 billion at most and that we would be out of there in 3 months.

Nobody expected that soldiers would be doing 2 or 3 tours.
 
2012-05-04 05:43:37 AM

geoduck42: This all started long before Carter was ever elected; the Iranians democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh as prime minister in the '50s, the powers-that-be here in the US decided he was a big old Commie, overthrew him in a coup and installed the Shah. Sixty farking years later, we're still getting hit with the blowback.


Ah yes, that is true, perhaps we should stop interfering with other nations' sovereignty.
 
2012-05-04 05:45:25 AM

The Why Not Guy: Little.Alex: Well, I wouldn't describe someone as a friend, if I only spoke a few sentences to them in passing.

So we're supposed to invade Iran and initiate regime change based on "a few sentences in passing" from people you don't know? And please. Please. Spare me the insult of claiming that's not why you told your story.




No, that's not why I told that story. I just think it's a good story. And not many stories come from waiting at airports. I'm not asking you to invade anybody. Spend all weekend on the couch, for all I care.

Personally, I don't think we should go around invading countries as a favor to the inhabitants of every shiathole on the Planet. Those people should get off their lazy asses and be born in a (mostly) free country - like I did.
 
2012-05-04 05:46:10 AM

geoduck42: and installed the Shah


The Shah wasn't much different than the alternative. Iran was very modern and western in the 70s, they had discos and blue jeans and built roads and bridges and stuff. So after the revolution Iran rejected the Western influence, and look where they are now.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. The Shah was brutal and corrupt, so are the Ayatollahs now.
 
2012-05-04 05:48:06 AM
Speaking softly and carrying a big stick is wise, as it means you will (mostly) be safe from attack.

Just carrying a big stick and striking out preemptively at anyone who you think might threaten you? Yeah, that simply means that you're an asshole.
 
2012-05-04 05:58:29 AM
xcv:Can we just run a simulated war game between the involved parties?

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I don't think we have the necessary hats.
 
2012-05-04 06:05:25 AM
When are the War Pigs going to understand that the days of straight conventional war are long dead. Three weeks to destroy Iran's conventional weapons? Great. They will still be as much as a threat at the day the first bomb was dropped on their heads, if not more of a threat. Once the conventional forces are gone, the military goes underground, and strikes from the shadows.

Rather than having an enemy that is in uniform and easy to spot, now they will be out of uniform, melding into the civilian populous. There are 20 million people in Iran, that's a hell of a lot of people to go hide an army amongst. Couple in that Iran is mostly mountainous terrain, even if you happen to somehow pacify the cities, traveling in the rural areas of the country will be horrific.

It would be worse than combining the Iraq and Afghanistan wars together at once, and take much longer to complete, assuming the Russians don't get involved.

Support our troops by keeping them home this time. No war in Iran.
 
2012-05-04 06:07:43 AM

meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.


The US could turn the entirety of Iran into slag, thirty feet deep, in a matter of seconds.

/If you're going to be ridiculously well armed, you may as well redefine "ridiculous" to mean something even more ridiculous than it did before.
 
2012-05-04 06:10:16 AM

Fista-Phobia: bubo_sibiricus: People who argued that war with either of these countries was going to be a quagmire were laughed at and shouted down by...

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Old, rich, white guys LOVE war because, hell, they don't have to get their pasty wrinkled asses over there to fight - these SOBs in suits will just ruin the economy so the only way kids can get jobs would be to join the military, the these 'patriots' will ship 'em over to die in a war.

Really, old, stubborn impotent white guys are the WORST human beings to run our society. Yet we stupidly keep electing them.
 
2012-05-04 06:13:09 AM

TheJoe03: Ah yes, that is true, perhaps we should stop interfering with other nations' sovereignty.


I think it's more complicated than that. What I've noticed is meddling tends to take that tack of supporting corrupt leaders of an internally weak faction. The cunning plan is that if they can't maintain control without our outside help, and they can be bribed, then they'll be forced/willing to do what we want, more likely what some corporate interests want. This sort of behavior is likely against our long term interest.

BP, I think it's BP made out well when we installed the Shah of Iran and he in turn reversed the previous governments nationalization of the Iranian oil fields. And we installed the House of Saud as the rulers of Saudi Arabia, specifically because they were weak compared to the other tribal groups. Doubtful that oil companies profits from those adventures comes close to matching the problems that were created.
 
2012-05-04 06:13:10 AM
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2012-05-04 06:16:26 AM
Well, actually..,


We probably wouldn't have to worry about Iran smuggling weapons, money and insurgents across the border into Iran...


I'm thinking this press release is a lot more accurate than any we've had before.

The people in Iran honestly don't give a shiat as long as they are SELF RULED. They could care less what the government's form is.
Democracy, Oligarchy, Three Monkeys Throwing shiat. All are about as effective as the one they have now.

Respect PERSIA, fark "Iran"
 
2012-05-04 06:17:04 AM

vernonFL: Dahnkster: Fartbongso says the progressives are all cool with another 12 years in Afghanistan

Has ANYONE ever successfully conquered Afghanistan? The Greeks? The Mongols? The British? The Soviets?

In 300 BC, Alexander the Great was like ""Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1840, the British position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1988, the Soviet position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

/Fun Fact: The Greeks left two things in Afghanistan: Blond haired light skinned people, and homosexuality


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It's a chuck norris situation. Only afghanistan can beat afghanistan. Plus, no one makes it past the poppy fields anyways..
 
2012-05-04 06:19:02 AM
Iraq is actually pretty stable, but Afghanistan is barely stable, Pakistan is barely stable, Bahrain and Yemen are unstable, Syria is in a civil war, Egypt and Libya are unstable, Sudan is at war, Ethiopia Kenya and Somalia who knows what is going on there, Turkey is caught up with Syria and Iraq, Greece is farked up, I think Chad just had a coup, Nigeria is falling apart.

Its funny that Israel and Lebanon are better off right now than anywhere else.

Even in Saudi Arabia they are having a minor crisis because women are trying to drive and vote.

/sorry I'm a pessimist.
 
2012-05-04 06:20:17 AM

Smoking GNU: It took THIS lone, till page FOUR for someone to post this?

Beatings has a head on his shoulders. I'mma just gonna post it again for emphasis.

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The banner stating "Mission Accomplished" was a focal point of controversy and criticism. Navy Commander and Pentagon spokesman Conrad Chun said the banner referred specifically to the aircraft carrier's 10-month deployment (which was the longest deployment of a carrier since the Vietnam War) and not the war itself, saying "It truly did signify a mission accomplished for the crew."

YMMV.
 
2012-05-04 06:21:36 AM
My prediction: Israel attacks Iran sometime this summer. If Iran goes apeshiat and tries to close the straight of Hormuz, we are left with the clean up. So our forces quickly destroy Iran's ability to attack ships in the straight, and any offensive capability that Iran has to attack our bases in the region.

Israel wins in any case. They draw the US into a war it doesn't want, and by driving up oil prices, they are likely to get rid of a US president that has proven he won't suck them off.

$6+ gasoline for months before the election certainly won't help Obama.
 
2012-05-04 06:29:23 AM
Well if they really wanted to, it could be over in about an hour.

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2012-05-04 06:31:54 AM

Somaticasual: vernonFL: Dahnkster: Fartbongso says the progressives are all cool with another 12 years in Afghanistan

Has ANYONE ever successfully conquered Afghanistan? The Greeks? The Mongols? The British? The Soviets?

In 300 BC, Alexander the Great was like ""Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1840, the British position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1988, the Soviet position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

/Fun Fact: The Greeks left two things in Afghanistan: Blond haired light skinned people, and homosexuality


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It's a chuck norris situation. Only afghanistan can beat afghanistan. Plus, no one makes it past the poppy fields anyways..


The Khans were the most successful, but only because of their extreme brutality. They would respond to any resistance in a village by slaughtering the entire village. And that's the only way you beat the Afghans, you have to be more brutal then they are. And they are some of the hardest, most brutal farks on the planet.
 
2012-05-04 06:33:44 AM

LavenderWolf: The US could turn the entirety of Iran into slag, thirty feet deep, in a matter of seconds.


Why? Iran is a diverse country both landscape and ethnic wise, plus Iran is home to a lot of human history. Timeless ruins from the dawn of civilization. Why destroy it?
 
2012-05-04 06:35:51 AM

vernonFL: LavenderWolf: The US could turn the entirety of Iran into slag, thirty feet deep, in a matter of seconds.

Why? Iran is a diverse country both landscape and ethnic wise, plus Iran is home to a lot of human history. Timeless ruins from the dawn of civilization. Why destroy it?


For the Lulz?
 
2012-05-04 06:42:21 AM
I have no doubt we could disable Iran's military and roll through there in three weeks.

The occupation that followed would last a decade, though.

/obvious tag is obvious
 
Skr
2012-05-04 06:44:31 AM
A lot of good people would die. I don't see any victory in that.
 
2012-05-04 06:47:06 AM

BigBooper: Somaticasual: vernonFL: Dahnkster: Fartbongso says the progressives are all cool with another 12 years in Afghanistan

Has ANYONE ever successfully conquered Afghanistan? The Greeks? The Mongols? The British? The Soviets?

In 300 BC, Alexander the Great was like ""Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1840, the British position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1988, the Soviet position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

/Fun Fact: The Greeks left two things in Afghanistan: Blond haired light skinned people, and homosexuality


[www.musarium.com image 230x350]

It's a chuck norris situation. Only afghanistan can beat afghanistan. Plus, no one makes it past the poppy fields anyways..

The Khans were the most successful, but only because of their extreme brutality. They would respond to any resistance in a village by slaughtering the entire village. And that's the only way you beat the Afghans, you have to be more brutal then they are. And they are some of the hardest, most brutal farks on the planet.


Conn Iggulden's Conqueror series is a good read. These books would make great movies.
 
2012-05-04 06:51:40 AM

Little.Alex: get off their lazy asses and be born in a (mostly) free country - like I did.


Good one.
 
2012-05-04 06:54:16 AM
The new Obama: more like the old bush than Slappy White
 
2012-05-04 06:58:10 AM
Brought to you by RT News - the organization that hired Julian Assange and regularly features Alex Jones as a guest.
 
2012-05-04 07:08:54 AM

vernonFL: Dahnkster: Fartbongso says the progressives are all cool with another 12 years in Afghanistan

Has ANYONE ever successfully conquered Afghanistan? The Greeks? The Mongols? The British? The Soviets?

In 300 BC, Alexander the Great was like ""Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1840, the British position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

In 1988, the Soviet position on Afghanistan was "Lets get the fark out of here"

/Fun Fact: The Greeks left two things in Afghanistan: Blond haired light skinned people, and homosexuality


[www.musarium.com image 230x350]


The Persians of various dynasties held onto it quite well at various times. And Alexander DID conquer Afghanistan. When he died, it became part of the Seleucid Empire under his successors in that region. When the Seleucid Empire fell it became part of the Greco-Bactrian Kingdom, and so one. There were actually a couple hundred years of Greek rule before the Scythians swept in. In reality, the issue is more that EVERYONE has conquered Afghanistan at some point, and it's hard to hold onto for long before someone else comes in and conquers it. And in any case, the goal isn't really to conquer Afghanistan but to let the Afghans run their own country once we get rid of the oppressive anti-democracy types. Afghans ran Afghanistan just fine til the 70s or so.

/Fun fact: DNA tests indicate those blond-haired, light-skinned people aren't of Greek descent. They're just a genetic isolate. And Indo-Aryan cultures managed to flame it up just fine before the Greeks came through.
 
2012-05-04 07:10:35 AM
Russia Today is run by the people who used to be the KGB, they hired Julian Assange and regularly report on space alien abductions.
 
2012-05-04 07:12:17 AM

Aar1012: SilentStrider: Mentat: SilentStrider: Would it pay for itself too?

Only if we cut taxes. I'm always surprised that people don't get that part.

Silly me. You're right.

All we have to do is shift some money from the Dept of Education, NPR, and PBS and we'll be in the black for a decade!


You forgot Planned Parenthood.
 
2012-05-04 07:14:28 AM
They don't have nuclear weapons and don't have missiles or planes to deliver them.

And even if or when they did, what are they going to do, blow up Tel Aviv or Jerusalem? They'd kill just as many Muslims as they would Jews, and the counterattack from Israel and the US would level Tehran.

It just doesn't make sense.
 
2012-05-04 07:19:34 AM

meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.


blogs.laweekly.com
"We could wipe out all their defenses in 9 minutes"
 
2012-05-04 07:20:08 AM

Dog Welder: I have no doubt we could disable Iran's military and roll through there in three weeks.

The occupation that followed would last a decade, though.

/obvious tag is obvious


War with Iran does not equal an invasion of Iran. #1 goal: we destroy their offensive capability. #2 goal: we kill and disrupt the current regime enough that a popular revolt overthrows the Mullahs.

#1 is easy. #2? not so much. Still if we can't achieve #2, we still weaken the regime enough that they have to worry more about holding on to power than striking out with terrorism.
 
2012-05-04 07:22:55 AM

NobleHam: /Fun fact: DNA tests indicate those blond-haired, light-skinned people aren't of Greek descent. They're just a genetic isolate. And Indo-Aryan cultures managed to flame it up just fine before the Greeks came through.


Maybe I'm wrong. I thought it was the Greeks and the spice route traders and the Russians moving through.
 
2012-05-04 07:24:52 AM
Such a war would be undoubtedly be extended by repeated requests of "Give us another six months".
That political strategy worked in Iraq/ Gulf War II. Sort of.

/heard that Russian troops and equipment are already at Iran's northern border
 
2012-05-04 07:28:42 AM

Little.Alex: xcv:Can we just run a simulated war game between the involved parties?

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I don't think we have the necessary hats.


What about desintegration chambers?
 
2012-05-04 07:34:00 AM
Also, if Iran was to nuke Israel, what about the Palestinians and Egyptians and Jordanians and Lebanese and Syrians? They are going to live in a nuclear fallout wasteland?
 
2012-05-04 07:39:46 AM
...I mean, we'd be stupid not to invade...
 
2012-05-04 07:42:34 AM
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2012-05-04 07:44:38 AM
Ye gods. Not another "short, victorious war." Yeah, sure. "The boys'll be home by Christmas."

Yep, and the check is in the mail, you won't come in my mouth, and you're from the government and you're here to help me. Sure.

For anybody who hasn't already read it, I recommend David Weber's "Honor Harrington" space opera series.

Specifically, and in honor of this thread: "The Short, Victorious War."
 
2012-05-04 07:48:32 AM
Iran isn't a threat to the United States, if Bibi wants his war, let him find the balls to start it.
 
2012-05-04 07:51:13 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Iran isn't a threat to the United States, if Bibi wants his war, let him find the balls to start it.


Good luck. If he starts a war he'll be hiding in Momma's skirts an hour later.
 
2012-05-04 07:52:17 AM
Footnote missing from original article:

*IEDs and suicide bombing attacks not included
 
2012-05-04 07:56:28 AM
I'm all for it The fact that I'm past draft age, and would love the benefit of extra work that a wartime economy always produces, has not influenced my opinion.
 
2012-05-04 07:57:19 AM

Dahnkster: Smackledorfer: Why couldn't they stomp south Korea in no time flat?

There's no money in it. They have no interest in anything North Korea has to offer. If China wants to 'stir the pot'. Sabre rattling will begin with trade and diplomatic flair-ups. I'd put my money on Taiwan for a land war or some serious provocation.


Why the fark would Mitt care? His sole goal appears to simply be President. He has no firm stance on any real substantial issue. War or no war, he'd still be farking President and well, thats all that matters.
 
2012-05-04 07:59:18 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Iran isn't a threat to the United States, if Bibi wants his war, let him find the balls to start it.


Yup. We should of course defend our proud allies in Israel, so let's make sure their Patriot missile defense systems are ready to go, and make sure everyone knows that by no means will we allow a ground invasion of Israel. Then let Israel do whatever they think they must, up to and including all-out war with Iran.

If Iranian ground forces (or their allies) try to cross into Israeli territory, we can easily bomb them back to where they came from. But we should do nothing to actually support their offensives against Iran or anyone else.
 
2012-05-04 08:00:43 AM
LOL. We're STILL in Afghanistan. We're going back to Iraq if Romney wins.

By defeat they mean "we don't need airpower anymore just a some troops on the ground for a little bit while we finish up."


LOL
 
2012-05-04 08:04:00 AM
The Iranian people don't want a war, and neither do the Israeli people.

Iran fought a war with Iraq for 10 years, and Israelis are still getting over the Lebanon war.

Both of their economies would be destroyed, their daily lives disrupted, you'd have millions of people living in bomb shelters without electricity, food or water, etc...

8 million people live in Israel, and 8 million people live in Tehran.
 
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