MeinRS6: Nrokreffefp: MeinRS6: meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.

One MIRV from a sub and things would wrap up in around that.

Are you 12? Idiot.

Easy, killer. I was just suggesting how to have a 3min war with Iran, after he pitched that time frame.

I'm fairly certain that a launch is not imminent.

Are you so badly informed that you believe we could bomb Iran without consequence? Holy shiat. Read a paper or a treaty someday.

downpaymentblues: Tarkus: It could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months.

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*In any case, I'm rich and powerful and won't be fighting, just like everyone else I know, so who the hell cares?

vernonFL: Some people don't know this, but Iranians aren't Arabs, and they're not from the Middle East, Iranians are in fact Aryans, or Caucasians.

Iranians listen to Adele, wear Uggs, play Angry Birds, play soccer and Skype each other just like we do.

...and rally to the cheer of "Death to Israel" and "Death to America" (or Magbar Amerika, as my troll account would say).

vernonFL: Some people don't know this, but Iranians aren't Arabs, and they're not from the Middle East, Iranians are in fact Aryans, or Caucasians.

Iranians listen to Adele, wear Uggs, play Angry Birds, play soccer and Skype each other just like we do.

What the shiat does that matter? I hate everyone here who participates in those things, but they are still humans and deserving of NOT BEING BOMBED. Regardless of their cultural similarities.

I don't pay much attention to China's military might.

Why couldn't they stomp south Korea in no time flat?

If we're going to use Raptors, let's hope they didn't think of this.

I mean north Korea.
/sigh

drjekel_mrhyde: vygramul: drjekel_mrhyde: In a perfect world China would step up and crush NK in 20 days making the US look like WTF

I find it amusing you think 1) in any scenario that involved that kind of rise in tensions between the two, China could defeat NK in 20 days and 2) the US can't.

We have to much politic bs here to just say fark and hit them on a whim
/China(1 party) don't and all they have to do is warn SK to be warned and get their guys ready

China isn't going to do anything to NK. They can't even take the lead in telling them to be less crazy. Why? Because if they come out and actually demand NK does anything, it makes them look incredibly stupid when NK tells them to fark off. NK is the one place in the world where China is *supposed* to have influence and everyone who can read a newspaper knows that hmm, they don't actually do anything with that influence. The US can get politically rebuffed by NK without losing as much international cred. Everyone knows that NK hates the US right? Who would actually expect them to listen? China is terrified of showing just how little influence they actually have over their crazy neighbors.

Tatsuma: It would also insure re-election, so it is going to happen.

You mean ensure, right?

Smackledorfer: I don't pay much attention to China's military might.

Why couldn't they stomp south Korea in no time flat?

MeinRS6: steamingpile: So its like how we were supposed to shake in our shoes about a war with Iraq?

Well, war is a nasty business. The Iranians are more capable than the Iraqis of 2003. And the Iranians are very capable at international islamic terror as well. It's quite a hornet's nest to kick.

Well Im not supporting it but the same statements were made against Iraq as well before going in there, and I would say we have our foot firmly planted in the hornets nest and we just keep kicking it side to side because we seem to like getting stung.

Nrokreffefp: Read a paper or a treaty someday.

You act like those matter, in the real world those that control the cash control what is said about them, people like to throw up china as a leader of the cash but thats just not the case, without us and the rest of the west china is nothing.

steamingpile: MeinRS6: steamingpile: So its like how we were supposed to shake in our shoes about a war with Iraq?

Well, war is a nasty business. The Iranians are more capable than the Iraqis of 2003. And the Iranians are very capable at international islamic terror as well. It's quite a hornet's nest to kick.

Well Im not supporting it but the same statements were made against Iraq as well before going in there, and I would say we have our foot firmly planted in the hornets nest and we just keep kicking it side to side because we seem to like getting stung.

Nrokreffefp: Read a paper or a treaty someday.

You act like those matter, in the real world those that control the cash control what is said about them, people like to throw up china as a leader of the cash but thats just not the case, without us and the rest of the west china is nothing.

If he wants to describe conflicts that are essentially composed of slaughtering civilians and oppressive occupations as war, lets declare one? That's all I'm sayin.

Fista-Phobia: bubo_sibiricus: People who argued that war with either of these countries was going to be a quagmire were laughed at and shouted down by...

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The bullshiat that started it all.

Elliott Abrams Gary Bauer William J. Bennett Jeb Bush Dick Cheney Eliot A. Cohen Midge Decter Paula Dobriansky Steve Forbes Aaron Friedberg Francis Fukuyama Frank Gaffney Fred C. Ikle Donald Kagan Zalmay Khalilzad I. Lewis Libby Norman Podhoretz Dan Quayle Peter W. Rodman Stephen P. Rosen Henry S. Rowen Donald Rumsfeld Vin Weber George Weigel Paul Wolfowitz

That's just the statement of principles. Go read the open letter to Bill Clinton about invading Iraq.

Please note that the only person missing from the list of PNAC members is GWB, because GWB became their patsy.

I was going to link to the Wikipedia page for the Foreign Policy Initiative, but it has been whitewashed completely.

Foreign Policiy Initiative Statement of Principles
Foreign Policy Initiative Staff

FPI and Mittens have lunch.

Mitt Romney's foreign policy team

Special Advisers

Cofer Black
Christopher Burnham
Michael Chertoff
Eliot Cohen
Norm Coleman
John Danilovich
Paula J. Dobriansky
Eric Edelman - FPI board of directors

Michael Hayden
Kerry Healey
Kim Holmes
Robert Joseph
Robert Kagan - FPI board of directors
John Lehman
Andrew Natsios
Meghan O'Sullivan

Walid Phares
Pierre Prosper
Mitchell Reiss
Daniel Senor - FPI board of directors
Jim Talent
Vin Weber
Richard Williamson
Dov Zakheim

While this seems like tinfoil haberdashery by me, make no mistake. The neocons are not finished with the Middle East, and they aim to commandeer Mitt Romney like they commandeered GWB. I would hope that Mittens doesn't fall for it if he gets elected, but he's got so many neocons on his advisory staff, I doubt he'll ever hear a dissenting voice in his cabinet.

Smackledorfer: Why couldn't they stomp south Korea in no time flat?

There's no money in it. They have no interest in anything North Korea has to offer. If China wants to 'stir the pot'. Sabre rattling will begin with trade and diplomatic flair-ups. I'd put my money on Taiwan for a land war or some serious provocation.

Nrokreffefp: MeinRS6: Nrokreffefp: MeinRS6: meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.

One MIRV from a sub and things would wrap up in around that.

Are you 12? Idiot.

Easy, killer. I was just suggesting how to have a 3min war with Iran, after he pitched that time frame.

I'm fairly certain that a launch is not imminent.

Are you so badly informed that you believe we could bomb Iran without consequence? Holy shiat. Read a paper or a treaty someday.

Well, it wouldn't be the Iranians fighting us, would it? So technically, that war would be pretty much over. It's not like you'd want to occupy it right away.

And who do you think would really go to bat for Iran anyway - after all of its major cities had been nuked? What's in it for them after that? The Russians are dishonest, disloyal, and entirely unprincipled. They will sabre rattle with the best of them, but after the nukes have already dropped - they aren't going to risk their own cities over an already melted Iran. The Chinese would be upset as well, but again, they wouldn't go to bat for anyone. A lot of countries would be angry, and would talk a lot.

So maybe you need to read something besides just a newspaper and think about how things might really play out. Then again, the US isn't going to nuke Iran anytime soon, so don't spend too much time worrying about it.

Nrokreffefp: If he wants to describe conflicts that are essentially composed of slaughtering civilians and oppressive occupations as war, lets declare one? That's all I'm sayin.

Hey you either support goodness or you support badness, why do you support badness? If they support goodness then they will get out of the way. Thats all Im sayin'.

THREE weeks? That's 50% longer than what it took to conquer Iraq and find the WMDs!

vernonFL: Has ANYONE ever successfully conquered Afghanistan? The Greeks? The Mongols? The British? The Soviets?

No. That's why they call it the land where empires go to die.

bubo_sibiricus: While this seems like tinfoil haberdashery by me, make no mistake. The neocons are not finished with the Middle East, and they aim to commandeer Mitt Romney like they commandeered GWB. I would hope that Mittens doesn't fall for it if he gets elected, but he's got so many neocons on his advisory staff, I doubt he'll ever hear a dissenting voice in his cabinet.

You do realize obama is still in the white house right now, dont you?

vernonFL: /Fun Fact: The Greeks left two things in Afghanistan: Blond haired light skinned people, and homosexuality

Oh those homosexuals were there long before greeks, I saw 300!

And you had to know that would happen since they would get tired of sheep......

Dahnkster: Smackledorfer: Why couldn't they stomp south Korea in no time flat?

There's no money in it. They have no interest in anything North Korea has to offer. If China wants to 'stir the pot'. Sabre rattling will begin with trade and diplomatic flair-ups. I'd put my money on Taiwan for a land war or some serious provocation.

Oh, I know why they wouldn't, I just always assumed they could though.

I'm sure they love having a neighbor who makes them look civil and relatively good to their population.

Dahnkster: Smackledorfer: Why couldn't they stomp south Korea in no time flat?

There's no money in it. They have no interest in anything North Korea has to offer. If China wants to 'stir the pot'. Sabre rattling will begin with trade and diplomatic flair-ups. I'd put my money on Taiwan for a land war or some serious provocation.

You do realize south korea has one of the largest economies in the past 50 years right? Last I looked they were in the 30s GDP per capita, not too shabby for 50 years after being next to nothing.

Since a lot of the trouble makers in Iraq and Afghanistan were bankrolled by Iran, wouldn't that make the cleanup so much easier. I mean, once Iran is down where is the insurgent base going to come from?

And no, this has nothing to do with the fact I have a fortune invested in DoD contractors.

steamingpile: You do realize obama is still in the white house right now, dont you?

I do, and I don't believe he's going to pull the trigger on an Iran invasion. It's political suicide. And I seriously think he doesn't want to do it at all even if re-elected.

Mittens and the neocons, OTOH, are "true believers" in that they think we can control the middle east. Somehow. Even after all the bullshiat we've gone through since 2001.

vernonFL: Has ANYONE ever successfully conquered Afghanistan? The Greeks? The Mongols? The British? The Soviets?

I'm with you. I've read all the stuff on 'every blood-soaked stone in the Khyber Pass'. Quagmire. Changing hearts and mines with US troops and cash. They are going to love this next 'Avengers' release and Wal-Mart.

True story:

I was sitting in the airport in Istanbul about 2 years ago. I'm on a metal bench, with 5 young guys in cheap suits.

And a girl walks by, with a really great ass. Just great. High and firm and round, like a ballerina or a girl who plays a lot of tennis. We all stared at her ass, like we were trying to burn a hole in it with physic energy.



And we caught each other, and had a laugh over it. Then one of them speaks to the others in their language, and as their spokesman stands up and comes over to me.

him: "Excuse me, are you an American? Can I ask you a question?"

me: "yeah, sure" -obviously I'm American, because I'm wearing jeans and sport shoes

him: "We are all Iranian engineers working here. And I wonder; do you think your country and mine will go to war?"

me: "No, I don't thinks so. War is very expensive and unpopular, so I don't think the American public will support another war."

he translated that back to his friends and then said, "that's too bad. we were hoping you guys would change our government."

wildcardjack: Since a lot of the trouble makers in Iraq and Afghanistan were bankrolled by Iran, wouldn't that make the cleanup so much easier. I mean, once Iran is down where is the insurgent base going to come from?

Saudi Arabia, just like where Osama Bin Laden came from and all the 9/11 terrorists.

So... Fark is posting from Russia's state sponsored anti-US news agency, Russia Today to get the low-down on how awesome we are. I'm confused.

MeinRS6: Nrokreffefp: MeinRS6: Nrokreffefp: MeinRS6: meat0918: Good news. U.S. victory over Iran would only take 3 minutes, so no big deal

If you're gonna lie. Go big.

One MIRV from a sub and things would wrap up in around that.

Are you 12? Idiot.

Easy, killer. I was just suggesting how to have a 3min war with Iran, after he pitched that time frame.

I'm fairly certain that a launch is not imminent.

Are you so badly informed that you believe we could bomb Iran without consequence? Holy shiat. Read a paper or a treaty someday.

Well, it wouldn't be the Iranians fighting us, would it? So technically, that war would be pretty much over. It's not like you'd want to occupy it right away.

And who do you think would really go to bat for Iran anyway - after all of its major cities had been nuked? What's in it for them after that? The Russians are dishonest, disloyal, and entirely unprincipled. They will sabre rattle with the best of them, but after the nukes have already dropped - they aren't going to risk their own cities over an already melted Iran. The Chinese would be upset as well, but again, they wouldn't go to bat for anyone. A lot of countries would be angry, and would talk a lot.

So maybe you need to read something besides just a newspaper and think about how things might really play out. Then again, the US isn't going to nuke Iran anytime soon, so don't spend too much time worrying about it.

Did you not get an education on the way that WWI and WW2 started? Not surprised.

America launches its nukes and we either face the end of Western political thought, or the end of the world. Why do the warmongering idiots like Tatsuma and Mein RS6 want that?

steamingpile: You do realize south korea has one of the largest economies in the past 50 years right? Last I looked they were in the 30s GDP per capita, not too shabby for 50 years after being next to nothing.

Dude, I'm watching a 60 inch Samsung as we speak. I'm not saying Korea could not be assimilated into China, For that matter why not Japan? Chinese are still pissed off about that whole 'rape of Nanking' thing. I think if China wants to 'start some shiat', they would probably first work to replace global currency from the US dollar to Euro before any borders are crossed or missiles lobbed. China has no desire to upset World Bank with any zero-sum global action.

Nrokreffefp: Did you not get an education on the way that WWI and WW2 started? Not surprised.

Ok, let's pretend that I don't know anything about WWI or II and you explain in detail to me how the way either of those started applies to a US nuke strike on Iran in 2012.

But you won't do that. You will just post some other dumbass comment. Because you've got a big bag'o'nothing. So sit down, beeotch.

Nrokreffefp: Why do the warmongering idiots like Tatsuma and Mein RS6 want that?

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

There is little difference between them and your typical Evangelical nutbag that wants to see Armageddon happen ASAP.

That and they're convinced that American Exceptionalism is real.

bluorangefyre: Of course it'd only take three weeks. Week one would be our bombing the shiat out of Iran. Week two would be Russia, China, and the USA launching every available nuke at each other. Week three would be counting whoever had the most people left after week two.

Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. But I do say no more than ten to twenty million killed, tops. Depending on the breaks.

MeinRS6: Nrokreffefp: Did you not get an education on the way that WWI and WW2 started? Not surprised.

Ok, let's pretend that I don't know anything about WWI or II and you explain in detail to me how the way either of those started applies to a US nuke strike on Iran in 2012.

But you won't do that. You will just post some other dumbass comment. Because you've got a big bag'o'nothing. So sit down, beeotch.

I'm no teacher. If you can't read history and fit it together, you aren't worthy of having an actual discussion on the subject. Could I educate you? Sure. Will I? Go fark yourself, you drew your narrative many years before you acquired the education to consider it.

Nrokreffefp: America launches its nukes and we either face the end of Western political thought, or the end of the world. Why do the warmongering idiots like Tatsuma and Mein RS6 want that?

I never said I wanted the US to nuke Iran. Try to get a grip.

You are like a lost little lamb. Give me your mom's email and I'll tell her that you need a hug.

grbrkgle grble new heroes are going to be created. Be the first on your block to become a poster child hero....quick....serve your master...I mean country....bomb people, shoot them and then when you are maimed mentally or physically go fruk yourself.......do not forget to pay your taxes,......heroes, yes you are a hero......god loves you......who needs Iran when we still have idiots in afghanistan, iraq, the 2nd "best" korea, gitmo, and secret prisons the world over......serve now and learn to bow......oh wait that was Loki....er...no it really is the US sheepulice.......even entertaining the idea is weapons grade stupid. All US politicians need to be on the front line...first in last out........and without their pensions, health care, or substandard body armor.....everyone of them is a corrupt, sociopathic inhuman cretin.

bubo_sibiricus: Nrokreffefp: Why do the warmongering idiots like Tatsuma and Mein RS6 want that?

Some people just want to watch the world burn.

There is little difference between them and your typical Evangelical nutbag that wants to see Armageddon happen ASAP.

That and they're convinced that American Exceptionalism is real.

"Pax Americana", right? This is despite the fact that we no longer lead the world in anything but murdering civilians. Let the guy with the Nazi sounding name justify it.

vernonFL: In the next 10 or 20 years, we can change the course of the middle east in a positive way, or we can change it in a negative way. Iran is a great example, just like Egypt, Libya, North Korea, etc...

I think you are spot on. I think they hope to 'Westernize' their lifestyles and water-down the more 'radical' Islamists. The fundamentalist Moslems are afraid we will turn their sons gay and their daughters into whores. It scares the shiat out of them that the young people want iPhones and Levis and dubstep. Only 70 years ago, most Arabs lived in tents and raised goats.

Nrokreffefp: MeinRS6: Nrokreffefp: Did you not get an education on the way that WWI and WW2 started? Not surprised.

Ok, let's pretend that I don't know anything about WWI or II and you explain in detail to me how the way either of those started applies to a US nuke strike on Iran in 2012.

But you won't do that. You will just post some other dumbass comment. Because you've got a big bag'o'nothing. So sit down, beeotch.

I'm no teacher. If you can't read history and fit it together, you aren't worthy of having an actual discussion on the subject. Could I educate you? Sure. Will I? Go fark yourself, you drew your narrative many years before you acquired the education to consider it.

Like I said - you've got nothing. And you've posted a bunch of stupid shiat already to prove it.

Now go work on your reading comprehension, you silly person.

MeinRS6: Nrokreffefp: America launches its nukes and we either face the end of Western political thought, or the end of the world. Why do the warmongering idiots like Tatsuma and Mein RS6 want that?

I never said I wanted the US to nuke Iran. Try to get a grip.

You are like a lost little lamb. Give me your mom's email and I'll tell her that you need a hug.

No, you advocated dropping a MIRV on civilians. No? Suck a giant dick you authoritarian and bigoted prick.

Drubell: Meh. Declaring war in the Middle East is just boring now. Let's spice it up and declare war on Australia or Europe or something.

Have you seen what Aussies call beer down there? That's cause enough to take them out, I think. Not to mention producing Hitler

he translated that back to his friends and then said, "that's too bad. we were hoping you guys would change our government."

Why don't your new friends change their own damn government? We have our own problems.