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(io9)   Never-before-seen concept art from the David Cronenberg-directed "Total Recall" that never was   (io9.com) divider line 41
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2012-05-04 06:02:06 AM  
If he'd started with concept art of the chick with 3 boobs, his movie would have been made.
 
2012-05-04 06:08:01 AM  
"That never was".... riiiiiiight. That's what subby wants you to believe.
 
2012-05-04 06:37:49 AM  
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/what the concept reminded me of
 
2012-05-04 07:33:19 AM  
Okay, he would have taken the movie to a whole other level of farked-up.

/Arnie would have taken a blood shower while standing in a Kuato bathtub or some shiat like that.
 
2012-05-04 08:04:00 AM  
I wouldn't mind if someone made a movie that stuck closer to PKD's story, just call it something else, cause Total Recall was awesome just the way it was.
 
2012-05-04 08:42:45 AM  

CrazedHatter: I wouldn't mind if someone made a movie that stuck closer to PKD's story, just call it something else, cause Total Recall was awesome just the way it was.


THIS. There is no Matrix, or Dark City, or any of the other mindfark movies that came after, without Total Recall.
 
2012-05-04 09:08:51 AM  
So...he was planning to do Dune?
 
2012-05-04 09:09:12 AM  
Those pictures were boring.
 
2012-05-04 09:09:54 AM  
I thought Running Man was pretty awesome too.
 
2012-05-04 09:36:17 AM  

AverageAmericanGuy: I thought Running Man was pretty awesome too.


Yes, yes it was.
 
2012-05-04 09:42:38 AM  

Altman: CrazedHatter: I wouldn't mind if someone made a movie that stuck closer to PKD's story, just call it something else, cause Total Recall was awesome just the way it was.

THIS. There is no Matrix, or Dark City, or any of the other mindfark movies that came after, without Total Recall.


You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right? A lot of people never put the puzzle together and just enjoy the Arnie action-fest. Oh, and the three boobed woman.
 
2012-05-04 09:47:44 AM  

madgonad: You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right?


In the arnie movie was it ever conclusive that it was a memory implant albeit if real it was highly improbable.
 
2012-05-04 09:47:56 AM  

madgonad: You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right? A lot of people never put the puzzle together and just enjoy the Arnie action-fest. Oh, and the three boobed woman.


It's been a while but was that actually clear in the movie or was it left unresolved like Inception?
 
2012-05-04 09:50:42 AM  

Arkanaut: madgonad: You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right? A lot of people never put the puzzle together and just enjoy the Arnie action-fest. Oh, and the three boobed woman.

It's been a while but was that actually clear in the movie or was it left unresolved like Inception?


It seemed ambiguous to me, but the end was a bit spacey/dreamy, which implied it was all fake.
 
2012-05-04 09:50:57 AM  

Saiga410: madgonad: You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right?

In the arnie movie was it ever conclusive that it was a memory implant albeit if real it was highly improbable.


Nope, it's hinted at but it's the same as Bladerunner. It doesn't outright say it.

Sixth Day does though. You are watching a recording from someones perspective although it doesn't tell you who's.
 
2012-05-04 09:52:56 AM  

Altman: CrazedHatter: I wouldn't mind if someone made a movie that stuck closer to PKD's story, just call it something else, cause Total Recall was awesome just the way it was.

THIS. There is no Matrix, or Dark City, or any of the other mindfark movies that came after, without Total Recall.


????

I would say that it's much more likely there was not matrix, dark city, or mindfark movie since plato's allegory of the cave.

Or, maybe, Descartes meditations, since it deals with specifically a deceptive creator.
 
2012-05-04 09:53:21 AM  

madgonad: Altman: CrazedHatter: I wouldn't mind if someone made a movie that stuck closer to PKD's story, just call it something else, cause Total Recall was awesome just the way it was.

THIS. There is no Matrix, or Dark City, or any of the other mindfark movies that came after, without Total Recall.

You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right? A lot of people never put the puzzle together and just enjoy the Arnie action-fest. Oh, and the three boobed woman.


I... think that's the point? I mean, it's left vague so it's hard to tell what is real and what isn't, but... seriously, that was the whole idea behind it.
 
2012-05-04 09:53:37 AM  

CrazedHatter: I wouldn't mind if someone made a movie that stuck closer to PKD's story, just call it something else, cause Total Recall was awesome just the way it was.


I wonder about the people who have this opinion. The first ~20 minutes of Total Recall is 99% of the original short story. The movie just cut off the last closing paragraph or two and ran off with the story into something else entirely.
 
2012-05-04 10:00:39 AM  

kwame: So...he was planning to do Dune?


The sleeper must awaken
 
2012-05-04 10:01:47 AM  

Saiga410: madgonad: You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right?

In the arnie movie was it ever conclusive that it was a memory implant albeit if real it was highly improbable.


Yeah, it becomes crystal clear the second time you see it. The name of the brand new secret agent fantasy to be implanted, as spoken by the Rekall tech, is 'Blue Sky on Mars'.
 
2012-05-04 10:02:56 AM  

narkor: If he'd started with concept art of the chick with 3 boobs, his movie would have been made.


I had a dream last night that some chicks pulled up in a car in front of my house, one got out of the car and she had 3 boobs.
And now I'm reading this thread.

paulhorton.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-04 10:06:08 AM  
I see a depressing lack of JohnnyCab
 
2012-05-04 10:10:35 AM  
The part that makes me believe that Total Recall was most likely real is that there are scenes that don't include Arnold at all. How do you account for those? Are they just "bonus scenes" implanted in his brain along with the false memories?
 
2012-05-04 10:12:57 AM  

Leopold Stotch: The part that makes me believe that Total Recall was most likely real is that there are scenes that don't include Arnold at all. How do you account for those? Are they just "bonus scenes" implanted in his brain along with the false memories?


There would be things that happen in Arnie's story that he wouldn't know but that we, the audience, would know. That is, in 'the story', the characters do stuff that he'd not know about. But we get to see what they do, even if he doesn't. We're special like that.
 
2012-05-04 10:20:50 AM  
 
2012-05-04 10:28:35 AM  

Staffa Kar Therma: "That never was".... riiiiiiight. That's what subby wants you to believe.


I think he wants you to believe it wholesale.
 
2012-05-04 10:30:51 AM  

Bhasayate: Leopold Stotch: The part that makes me believe that Total Recall was most likely real is that there are scenes that don't include Arnold at all. How do you account for those? Are they just "bonus scenes" implanted in his brain along with the false memories?

There would be things that happen in Arnie's story that he wouldn't know but that we, the audience, would know. That is, in 'the story', the characters do stuff that he'd not know about. But we get to see what they do, even if he doesn't. We're special like that.


Also, when he is selecting his demur but slutty woman before the implant starts, it shows Melina's face (the prostitute on Mars) and a picture of the reactor.
 
2012-05-04 10:31:17 AM  
After watching eXistenZ, I kinda assumed Cronenberg's Total Recall would involve plugging themselves into large ball of snot that goes into a vagina-shaped port in the back of the user's head.
 
2012-05-04 10:33:39 AM  

dsmith42: Also, when he is selecting his demur but slutty woman before the implant starts, it shows Melina's face (the prostitute on Mars) and a picture of the reactor.


Yeah, there are other tidbits too. The most obvious clue was the name of the implant and the white flash at the end.
 
2012-05-04 10:35:01 AM  

madgonad: dsmith42: Also, when he is selecting his demur but slutty woman before the implant starts, it shows Melina's face (the prostitute on Mars) and a picture of the reactor.

Yeah, there are other tidbits too. The most obvious clue was the name of the implant and the white flash at the end.


Well, I think it was Verhoeven that explicitly said the flash of white was him being lobotomized, but the movie itself is suitably ambiguous.
 
2012-05-04 10:46:03 AM  

kwame: So...he was planning to do Dune?


No, that would be Ridley Scott:
satelliteshow.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-05-04 10:48:17 AM  
but not so much that the camels didn't have to wear respirators!

Give da camuls da air!
 
2012-05-04 10:48:25 AM  

bhcompy: madgonad: dsmith42: Also, when he is selecting his demur but slutty woman before the implant starts, it shows Melina's face (the prostitute on Mars) and a picture of the reactor.

Yeah, there are other tidbits too. The most obvious clue was the name of the implant and the white flash at the end.

Well, I think it was Verhoeven that explicitly said the flash of white was him being lobotomized, but the movie itself is suitably ambiguous.


Didn't know about Verhoeven's statement. The movie being an implant is obvious. I always considered the subplot with the Rekall employee and his wife were put in the implant to help dispel the notion that what he was doing was really a fake memory. His friends, job, and wife were explained, but something has to explain his trip to Rekall - so I assumed the lobotomize-risk was added as a false flag. I always assumed that after the flash he would wake up at Rekall and go home to his wife with the memories of taking a 'vacation from his life'.
 
2012-05-04 10:49:43 AM  

Arkanaut: madgonad: You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right? A lot of people never put the puzzle together and just enjoy the Arnie action-fest. Oh, and the three boobed woman.

It's been a while but was that actually clear in the movie or was it left unresolved like Inception?


My interpretation was that Inception wasn't a dream at the end because his wedding ring is the totem, and not the top.
 
2012-05-04 10:51:43 AM  

madgonad: Yeah, it becomes crystal clear the second time you see it. The name of the brand new secret agent fantasy to be implanted, as spoken by the Rekall tech, is 'Blue Sky on Mars'.


Verhoeven says HIMSELF that he left it ambiguous. You can't say it's all fake just because of all the little things that line up. That kind of stuff happens all the time in movies.

The entire point was to leave you wondering if it really happened, or if it was all just the implant. Really, if you're going to make ANY argument that it was all the implant, you point out that the movie fades to white at the end, which Verhoeven chose because it normally gets used to represent the end of a dream sequence.
 
2012-05-04 10:59:28 AM  
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2012-05-04 11:12:28 AM  
Honestly I never wondered about solidifying "was it real or not" at the end of this movie, or even Inception.

The movie exists in a state of intentional ambiguity. The subtle clues at the beginning of of the movie with the Rekall tech are there to make you question everything that is happening. It's like a quantum superposition, everything is real and isn't real at the same time and it makes the movie much more enjoyable that way.

Also Total Recall has THE BEST COMMENTARY TRACK EVER. If you love this movie, you HAVE to listen to it.
 
2012-05-04 11:22:09 AM  
Speaking of PKD stories I'd like to see made into movies; I'd like to see 'Clans of the Alphane Moon' and "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch' made into movies.
 
2012-05-04 01:20:36 PM  

Magorn: kwame: So...he was planning to do Dune?

No, that would be Ridley Scott:
[satelliteshow.files.wordpress.com image 300x200]


Only HR Giger would paint a sandworm eating a giant penis.
 
2012-05-04 05:47:55 PM  

Arkanaut: madgonad: You do know that almost the entire film was a memory implant, right? A lot of people never put the puzzle together and just enjoy the Arnie action-fest. Oh, and the three boobed woman.

It's been a while but was that actually clear in the movie or was it left unresolved like Inception?


It was absolutely unresolved. I will have to go back and make sure there isn't even a clear suggestion that it was real, ya know, aside from all the scenes without Arnold that he never has any knowledge of.
 
2012-05-04 11:19:34 PM  

stupiddream: Speaking of PKD stories I'd like to see made into movies; I'd like to see 'Clans of the Alphane Moon' and "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch' made into movies.


Clans of the Alphane Moon was really one of his best, if not the best.
 
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