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2012-05-04 12:58:32 AM  
intellectually honest politician might be an oxymoron

how about attention whore with the money and guns?
 
2012-05-04 01:00:31 AM  
RON PAUL actually has the lead you stupid libs and he's going to destroy Obama in the election
 
2012-05-04 01:00:35 AM  
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Devil's advocate: Every piece of trouble the Paulestinians manage to kick up is help for the opposition, and more importantly while Ron Paul is a shameless theocratic scumbag he is STILL more interesting and more principled than the Stepford Candidate and his cohort. Why not give Paul some slack as long as he's taking shots at his own party? Save the rest for when he shiats on the democrats.
 
2012-05-04 01:02:46 AM  

MurphyMurphy: The day after inauguration all currency is converted to silver dimes.


lol
 
2012-05-04 01:04:28 AM  

vernonFL: I wouldn't vote for Ron Paul, but at least he's honest and sincere, unlike Romney.

Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican to stand up against torture and against the war on drugs and wars in general, can you think of another Republican who would say something like "we're putting too many black men in prison for no reason"???

Watching the Republican debates, Ron Paul and Rick Santorum were the only candidates who seemed sincere and believed what they stood for.

It refreshing to have a candidate where you disagree with what they stand for, but at least they are intellectually honest.


Yeah, he's HONEST about cutting federal spending when he stuffs pork into bills, and only votes against them when it'd make no difference. He's HONEST about being true to the Constitution when he wants to allow states to establish official religions.
 
2012-05-04 01:06:20 AM  

LordJiro: Yeah, well, his CRAZY stuff will never get through Congress, but the stuff we've arbitrarily dubbed his GOOD ideas will totally get through without any sort of problem!


Ah yes, that argument.

If I had a nickel for every time I saw a Paultard try to make that argument online I would take all those nickels and stuff them inside a burlap sack and then smack the very next Paultard who tried it, right upside their wee head.

/Not really, I'mma pacifist mostly.

Yes, realize you are not making that argument just saying there are people out there who will make that argument in good faith and with a straight face over and over again to a point where even Ghandi himself would be looking around for sack of nickels if encountered them.
 
2012-05-04 01:10:08 AM  

Genevieve Marie: Also, he's an ob/gyn who thinks women never need to have abortions for medical reasons.


Technically he's correct. The only reason an M.D. might need to terminate a pregnancy is to save the life of the mother in which case the procedure isn't called an abortion. There are no other valid medical reasons for killing a baby, umm, performing an abortion.

But I still think Ron Paul is nucking futs.
 
2012-05-04 01:12:46 AM  

quatchi: rynthetyn: Which "Operation Rescue" endorsed him? They don't really exist anymore, they changed their name to "Operation Save America" and started whining about gays and Muslims years ago. I guess unless Flip Benham has decided to go back to using the name because he figured he could milk more attention from it or something.

Flip is still calling his group OSA and it's still based in NC.

Link talks about Paul getting an endorsement from Troy Newman.

FTA: Operation Rescue leader, Troy Newman, lends an official endorsement to Ron Paul.

*quick to the googlemobile*

wiki: On September 11, 2006, the IRS revoked Operation Rescue West's 501(c)(3) nonprofit, tax-exempt status.[5] Newman's organization now operates under the name "Operation Rescue."

Apparently Jeff White's CA Operation Rescue was shut down after a legal judgement against him.

But Newman is still in play and they are still called Operation Rescue although they are based in... (are you ready to be surprised?) ...Wichita, Kansas.

How come nobody looks surprised?


Oh, Troy Newman is the guy who Randall Terry has been trying to get to stop using the name for ages. Dude's associated with Army of God, I don't think he has any connection with the original Operation Rescue, he started hanging around with Jeff White after the original Operation Rescue cut ties with Jeff White's group because White was advocating violence.

I know a lot of those names from my teenage rightwinger days, I'm pretty sure Troy Newman wasn't around until later, he just sort of popped up in Wichita using the name. Before that, it would have been either the summer of '94 or '95, I forget exactly when, the leaders of all of the major and minor anti-abortion groups met for a big meeting in Melbourne, FL and there was a huge split between those who wanted to support violence (led by Jeff White and the folks at Life Advocate magazine, which has since gotten sued out of existence under RICO) and those who wanted to continue with a position of absolute non-violence, led by Flip Benham, who emerged as the new leader of Operation Rescue out of the whole thing.

And I can't believe I just remembered all that detail, it's pieced together from what I heard from various people when I was like 14 and haven't really thought about much for well over a decade.

/I have my own personal reasons why I can't stand Flip Benham entirely apart from the fact that he's a phony who used to flirt with my teenage friends
 
2012-05-04 01:15:07 AM  

LordJiro: Yeah, he's HONEST about cutting federal spending when he stuffs pork into bills, and only votes against them when it'd make no difference. He's HONEST about being true to the Constitution when he wants to allow states to establish official religions.


Well, yeah. Republicans (besides Romney) couldn't be more honest about their positions on gay rights, women's rights, taxes, immigration, unions, affirmative action, and the environment.

I would rather try to understand, confront and bargain with someone who I may disagree with but respect their views, than someone who I don't trust and can't respect at all.
 
2012-05-04 01:16:29 AM  

ordinarysteve: Guntram Shatterhand: This smells of the media sensing that Obama will destroy Romney, and is making hay out of Ron Paul to both give Romney time to recover (and for his mistakes to 'fade') and bring back the viewers who love the Republican circus. Not two months ago was Paul pimping his son Rand to be a possible VP candidate.

Romney is a weak candidate, and now the Republicans are falling over themselves to hide him from Obama, who hasn't even begun to really campaign yet.

this sounds plausible. there's at least some republicans who would probably love to see the primary drawn out. its pretty easy to shine if you're debating with a cranky old curmudgeon with a penchant for gold.


Not to mention this could be Paul's last hurrah. He's old, even for a fringe candidate, and he could be thinking forward and offering to solve Romney's Base problem with Rand. Not that it will work--Republican extremism is being attacked outright now in a very bold way--but Romney might be desperate enough to cater to the Paulites in order to shore up his Base support. After all, Republicans are the type to bring in the crazies if it means power.
 
2012-05-04 01:16:40 AM  

vernonFL: LordJiro: Yeah, he's HONEST about cutting federal spending when he stuffs pork into bills, and only votes against them when it'd make no difference. He's HONEST about being true to the Constitution when he wants to allow states to establish official religions.

Well, yeah. Republicans (besides Romney) couldn't be more honest about their positions on gay rights, women's rights, taxes, immigration, unions, affirmative action, and the environment.

I would rather try to understand, confront and bargain with someone who I may disagree with but respect their views, than someone who I don't trust and can't respect at all.


I agree. At least if you know where someone is actually coming from, you have a point of reference. With somebody like Romney who stands for nothing and everything, there's no solid foundation to work from to even debate.
 
2012-05-04 01:17:04 AM  

rynthetyn: Oh, Troy Newman is the guy who Randall Terry has been trying to get to stop using the name for ages. Dude's associated with Army of God, I don't think he has any connection with the original Operation Rescue, he started hanging around with Jeff White after the original Operation Rescue cut ties with Jeff White's group because White was advocating violence.


You're right. Troy Newman is actually crazier than Randall Terry and the original Operation Rescue group.

And Ron Paul was totally cool with accepting his endorsement. And it's pointed out as a positive on the major Ron Paul supporter websites.

*hork*
 
2012-05-04 01:19:44 AM  
I love that Ron Paul claims to be a strict constitutionalist, really he wants to go back pre-constitution to the article of confederation. It didn't work back then and it wouldn't work now
 
2012-05-04 01:21:45 AM  

YELLOL: [i53.tinypic.com image 611x404]

Ron Paul will be 77 years old on election day. Even if I thought he was a viable candidate he is really old for this game. Not to mention crazy as a shiathouse rat.


Why do you think he spawned Rand Paul? As an Heir Apparent, apparently.
 
2012-05-04 01:24:11 AM  

fortheloveof: What I enjoy is all the Paulites that keep trying to tell me, "Ron Paul is different than other politicians! He's a man of ideals (yes their words)! He honestly believes what he says!"

When I point out he's literally stealing the election and is completely ignoring the popular vote and what the people of that state want in what is just another form of Gerrymandering they either ignore me or answer with, "But he doesn't really mean it! He's doing it for the right reasons!"


On reddit the Paul-tards created votebots to automatically downvote anyone who said something bad about him. He's the epitome of ideology over all and damn everyone else.
 
2012-05-04 01:24:18 AM  

Genevieve Marie: rynthetyn: Oh, Troy Newman is the guy who Randall Terry has been trying to get to stop using the name for ages. Dude's associated with Army of God, I don't think he has any connection with the original Operation Rescue, he started hanging around with Jeff White after the original Operation Rescue cut ties with Jeff White's group because White was advocating violence.

You're right. Troy Newman is actually crazier than Randall Terry and the original Operation Rescue group.

And Ron Paul was totally cool with accepting his endorsement. And it's pointed out as a positive on the major Ron Paul supporter websites.

*hork*


Yeah, Troy Newman, even though he hasn't done anything violent himself, is closely tied to people who have, to the point that I'm fairly certain he's given them material support. If he doesn't have direct ties to Scott Roeder, he definitely has ties to Regina Dinwiddie, who was one of the last people to see both Scott Roeder and Paul Hill before they went on their shooting sprees and is very much part of Army of God. Given the way that the US has defined terrorists with regards to the "war on terror", he's definitely a terrorist and RON PAUL accepting his endorsement is inexcusable.
 
2012-05-04 01:24:36 AM  

vernonFL: I would rather try to understand, confront and bargain with someone who I may disagree with but respect their views, than someone who I don't trust and can't respect at all.


So you "respect" RON PAUL's crazy unworkable views?

Not real sure he's as trustworthy as you're making him out to be, either. Just saying.

Why am I even giving post to an obvious write-in candidate who doesn't even measure up to Nader?
 
2012-05-04 01:24:42 AM  

YELLOL: Technically he's correct. The only reason an M.D. might need to terminate a pregnancy is to save the life of the mother in which case the procedure isn't called an abortion. There are no other valid medical reasons for killing a baby, umm, performing an abortion.


Ron Paul probably went to medical school in the 1960s. a lot of things have changed since then.

As an experienced OB GYN physician, Ron Paul has probably been presented with difficult ethical and tricky medical decisions, I don't envy him.

I mean, what do you say to a mother whose fetus doesn't have a brain, or something like that?

Anyone who is anti- abortion needs to google "Harlequin baby" ( NSFW - DO NOT GOOGLE "Harlequin baby")
 
2012-05-04 01:27:36 AM  

cfreak:

On reddit the Paul-tards created votebots to automatically downvote anyone who said something bad about him. He's the epitome of ideology over all and damn everyone else.


Between the Paul-tards votebots on one side and the SRS votebots on the other, the main parts of reddit are fast becoming unusable.
 
2012-05-04 01:28:55 AM  

quatchi: Funny fact: If you stare into the eyes of a Paultard the derp also stares back.


Bastard, I had to look, now those eyes are all I see when I close my eyes.
I... Nnnnggggg... I... aaaaargghhhhhh
RONPAULTAXCUTSARGARBLEATION!
 
2012-05-04 01:33:32 AM  

vernonFL: YELLOL: Technically he's correct. The only reason an M.D. might need to terminate a pregnancy is to save the life of the mother in which case the procedure isn't called an abortion. There are no other valid medical reasons for killing a baby, umm, performing an abortion.

Ron Paul probably went to medical school in the 1960s. a lot of things have changed since then.

As an experienced OB GYN physician, Ron Paul has probably been presented with difficult ethical and tricky medical decisions, I don't envy him.

I mean, what do you say to a mother whose fetus doesn't have a brain, or something like that?

Anyone who is anti- abortion needs to google "Harlequin baby" ( NSFW - DO NOT GOOGLE "Harlequin baby")


You get "better" results if you search for "Harlequin ichthyosis"
/People survive this now?
 
2012-05-04 01:34:59 AM  

rynthetyn: Genevieve Marie: rynthetyn: Oh, Troy Newman is the guy who Randall Terry has been trying to get to stop using the name for ages. Dude's associated with Army of God, I don't think he has any connection with the original Operation Rescue, he started hanging around with Jeff White after the original Operation Rescue cut ties with Jeff White's group because White was advocating violence.

You're right. Troy Newman is actually crazier than Randall Terry and the original Operation Rescue group.

And Ron Paul was totally cool with accepting his endorsement. And it's pointed out as a positive on the major Ron Paul supporter websites.

*hork*

Yeah, Troy Newman, even though he hasn't done anything violent himself, is closely tied to people who have, to the point that I'm fairly certain he's given them material support. If he doesn't have direct ties to Scott Roeder, he definitely has ties to Regina Dinwiddie, who was one of the last people to see both Scott Roeder and Paul Hill before they went on their shooting sprees and is very much part of Army of God. Given the way that the US has defined terrorists with regards to the "war on terror", he's definitely a terrorist and RON PAUL accepting his endorsement is inexcusable.


In b4 "But but but BILL AYERS"
 
2012-05-04 01:36:12 AM  
As an afterthought...

It will be interesting to see what happens/happened at the state conventions in these states.

All of these caucus participants *will* make a difference in their individual state party administrations.
 
2012-05-04 01:40:15 AM  
Good thread. TY to all for info. Depressing reads in many ways but good to note. Hella sleepy now.

*collapses face down into a pillow*
 
2012-05-04 01:40:38 AM  

vernonFL: YELLOL: Technically he's correct. The only reason an M.D. might need to terminate a pregnancy is to save the life of the mother in which case the procedure isn't called an abortion. There are no other valid medical reasons for killing a baby, umm, performing an abortion.

Ron Paul probably went to medical school in the 1960s. a lot of things have changed since then.

As an experienced OB GYN physician, Ron Paul has probably been presented with difficult ethical and tricky medical decisions, I don't envy him.

I mean, what do you say to a mother whose fetus doesn't have a brain



"Look! A future Paul supporter!"
 
2012-05-04 01:44:15 AM  
Anybody who watches Rachael Maddow knew about this a long time ago.
Link
 
2012-05-04 01:48:00 AM  
To be honest, in a lot of ways the Paultards freak me out way worse than garden variety right-wingers.

At least the right-wingers seem to know their candidates are rich crooked assholes, but they're content enough to "stick it to the libs" that they'll engage in in willfull ignorance and disingenuous intellectually-dishonest "rah rah!"

The Paul freaks are genuinely devoted. They truly do have the whole Messiah thing going on with him. It's ironic how much they scream "sheep" at everyone else, because I think the vast majority of liberals and conservatives know quite well that most politicians are at least a little bent. Not the Paulistas... to them, he's pure as the driven snow... a savior who isn't allowed to come into the temple in order to cast out the money-changers, because everyone else so fears his honesty and integrity.
 
2012-05-04 01:50:29 AM  
(you know... in spite of the fact that he's spent over three decades working at the highest levels of power within the temple)
 
2012-05-04 01:55:09 AM  

fortheloveof: he's literally stealing the election and is completely ignoring the popular vote


Is that how you win the nomination? Is that how the nomination process is set up?
 
2012-05-04 01:55:48 AM  
Remember: Everything that happens at the Tampa convention is under the rubric of the FLORIDA tag. Florida tag trumps all, and this convention will be everything we know Florida as a whole to be.
 
2012-05-04 01:57:37 AM  
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2012-05-04 02:08:03 AM  
Listen, like I said, I don't agree with Ron Paul on most issues, but at least I think he is sincere in his beliefs.

Has any other candidate ever said anything like "We are wrongly and indiscriminately imprisoning black men and this is not right and we should stop it"?

That sounds like something Al Sharpton would say, not a Republican. But he's right, and nobody else will say it, not even Obama.
 
2012-05-04 02:13:27 AM  

vernonFL: Listen, like I said, I don't agree with Ron Paul on most issues, but at least I think he is sincere in his beliefs.

Has any other candidate ever said anything like "We are wrongly and indiscriminately imprisoning black men and this is not right and we should stop it"?

That sounds like something Al Sharpton would say, not a Republican. But he's right, and nobody else will say it, not even Obama.


Which views of his on blacks is he sincere about, exactly? I seem to recall some newsletters (which show dishonesty in exchange for money, if nothing else) that got nice and racist, as well as him being against the civil rights act.

Being able to stick to nutty economic beliefs (though he doesn't, as he is a pretty big earmarker), or talk a good isolationist game isn't the same as being sincere.

I get that folks dislike the status quo, but a whole 'nother type of crazy shouldn't automatically be raised to a pedestal just because of that.
 
2012-05-04 02:20:01 AM  

GAT_00: These are people who intentionally refuse to play by the rules and abide by popular vote.


Um, aren't they playing exactly by the rules. Just because the rules aren't what you want them to be doesn't mean that rules are being broken.
 
2012-05-04 02:29:44 AM  
I'm not really old enough to tell people to get off my lawn or yell at clouds, but there used to be a time when it was the democrats who formed the circular firing squads with such precision while republicans marched in lock-step lemming-like unity. While the dems have yet to master the unified goose-step, it's nice to see the republicans gather round the perimeter lock stock with two smoking barrels. I want to see RON PAUL bend Romney over the convention dais and make him squeal like a pig. It couldn't happen to a more pliable, plastic candidate than Romney.
 
2012-05-04 02:32:32 AM  

vernonFL: YELLOL: Technically he's correct. The only reason an M.D. might need to terminate a pregnancy is to save the life of the mother in which case the procedure isn't called an abortion. There are no other valid medical reasons for killing a baby, umm, performing an abortion.

Ron Paul probably went to medical school in the 1960s. a lot of things have changed since then.

As an experienced OB GYN physician, Ron Paul has probably been presented with difficult ethical and tricky medical decisions, I don't envy him.

I mean, what do you say to a mother whose fetus doesn't have a brain?



"We'll call him Rand."
 
2012-05-04 02:32:39 AM  
RonPaul is sincerely motherfarking batshiat CRAZY all the way through and out the other side.

Burn, burn it all down.
 
2012-05-04 02:58:09 AM  

Genevieve Marie: You're right. Troy Newman is actually crazier than Randall Terry and the original Operation Rescue group.


Fun fact: Randall Terry is now gay. Jesus commanded Vermin Supreme (the only entirely honest candidate) to make it so.

quatchi: If I had a nickel for every time I saw a Paultard try to make that argument online I would take all those nickels and stuff them inside a burlap sack and then smack the very next Paultard who tried it, right upside their wee head.

/Not really, I'mma pacifist mostly.


I dabbled in pacifism myself once. Not in 'Nam, of course.
 
2012-05-04 03:08:52 AM  

Spaced Lion: Fun fact: Randall Terry is now gay. Jesus commanded Vermin Supreme (the only entirely honest candidate) to make it so.


It's Randall Terry's son who died a few years ago in a car accident who was gay. Randall Terry's the one who left his wife of something like 20 years for a hot young chick who worked on one of his campaigns.
 
2012-05-04 03:15:47 AM  
Ron Paul was an OB / GYN in the early 1960s.

They didn't have birth control pills in the early 60s.

They barely knew what DNA was in the early 60s.

They barely had ultrasounds in the early 60s.
 
2012-05-04 03:20:08 AM  

rynthetyn: Spaced Lion: Fun fact: Randall Terry is now gay. Jesus commanded Vermin Supreme (the only entirely honest candidate) to make it so.

It's Randall Terry's son who died a few years ago in a car accident who was gay. Randall Terry's the one who left his wife of something like 20 years for a hot young chick who worked on one of his campaigns.


Well...that's depressing.

But mainly I was referring to this.
 
2012-05-04 03:23:20 AM  

vernonFL: Ron Paul was an OB / GYN in the early 1960s.

They didn't have birth control pills in the early 60s.

They barely knew what DNA was in the early 60s.

They barely had ultrasounds in the early 60s.


They barely had buttsex back then either.

Guess what, killing a baby was still killing a baby back then. Some things never change.
 
2012-05-04 03:23:34 AM  

Spaced Lion: rynthetyn: Spaced Lion: Fun fact: Randall Terry is now gay. Jesus commanded Vermin Supreme (the only entirely honest candidate) to make it so.

It's Randall Terry's son who died a few years ago in a car accident who was gay. Randall Terry's the one who left his wife of something like 20 years for a hot young chick who worked on one of his campaigns.

Well...that's depressing.

But mainly I was referring to this.


LOL, I can't believe I've never seen that. I can't imagine Randall Terry was amused, I don't think the dude has much of a sense of humor.
 
2012-05-04 03:59:57 AM  

YELLOL: They barely talked about having buttsex back then either.


cdn100.iofferphoto.com

FTFY
 
2012-05-04 04:00:31 AM  

Rev. Skarekroe: It's funny that some people sincerely think he's the Warren G


Well, he doesn't like REGULATORS!
 
2012-05-04 04:02:52 AM  
Might have to donate a few bucks to this Paul fellow.

Operation Chaos II: Padre of the Aquabuddaloo
 
2012-05-04 04:07:41 AM  

YELLOL: vernonFL: Ron Paul was an OB / GYN in the early 1960s.

They didn't have birth control pills in the early 60s.

They barely knew what DNA was in the early 60s.

They barely had ultrasounds in the early 60s.

They barely had buttsex back then either.

Guess what, killing a baby was still killing a baby back then. Some things never change.


people.eku.edu

What you think birds are.

/hot like scrambled birds
 
2012-05-04 04:18:03 AM  

YELLOL: Guess what, killing a baby was still killing a baby back then. Some things never change.


Abortion in the 1960s was available to wealthy white women.
 
2012-05-04 04:24:29 AM  
Another factual, objective thread on the Ron Paul candidacy.
 
2012-05-04 04:26:24 AM  

heinrich66: Another factual, objective thread on the Ron Paul candidacy.


You don't really expect that of Fark threads, do you?

That isn't sarcasm. I mean it.

You don't really expect that of Fark threads, do you?
 
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