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2012-05-03 01:16:01 PM
I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.
 
2012-05-03 01:18:25 PM

TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.


chrome

not that it matters to me what you use, but having used all the browsers for extended periods of time before trying new ones, chrome has been the best for me so far
 
2012-05-03 01:18:36 PM

TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.


Google Chrome FTW

/Mozilla people problems
 
2012-05-03 01:20:00 PM
Heck with TFA, bring on the red pandas!

a-z-animals.com
 
2012-05-03 01:25:52 PM

WaltzingMathilda: TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.

chrome


Sure, as soon as they support Noscript.
 
2012-05-03 01:26:02 PM

TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.


Compatibility issues with various software, particularly in a corporate environment. If you work in IT, every time a new version/update on IE comes out expect a week of hell till the kinks are ironed out with any web-based application. But at least IE is on a slower, more paced cycle which makes the madness manageable. Firefox's rapid updates just makes it impractical for most software vendors to support. It's why IE is still the standard for a lot of corporate environments.

If you're just surfing at home, Chrome or Firefox.
 
2012-05-03 01:29:22 PM
I think they're already on version 4.1.2.5.8.23.2a, with 2b expected out in about 10 minutes or so.
 
2012-05-03 01:32:30 PM
I don't know why, but the last Firefox update turned mine into complete shiat. Freezes and crashes for anything more than basic text on a website. I've moved to chrome simply because I can't do shiat with Firefox anymore.
 
2012-05-03 01:33:04 PM

xanadian: Sure, as soon as they support Noscript.


A big fat THIS
 
2012-05-03 01:36:24 PM
Do I have to click somewhere other than on the AOL box on my computer to get this Fireyfox?
 
2012-05-03 01:37:36 PM
I'll update if they manage to fix the frequent crashes and massive memory leaks that Firefox still has after years and years of work. After a full day of use, Firefox is sometimes using >1GB of RAM, with plugin-container.exe taking up another 500MB. This isn't a new problem.
 
2012-05-03 01:37:45 PM
If you are using Firefox in this day in this age, you are a moron
 
2012-05-03 01:38:01 PM

kid_icarus: TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.

Compatibility issues with various software, particularly in a corporate environment. If you work in IT, every time a new version/update on IE comes out expect a week of hell till the kinks are ironed out with any web-based application. But at least IE is on a slower, more paced cycle which makes the madness manageable. Firefox's rapid updates just makes it impractical for most software vendors to support. It's why IE is still the standard for a lot of corporate environments.


this, this, this.

Mozilla refuses to accept the realities of corporate environments. Business critical web apps break when components change and the constant churn of updates is not supportable.

This is the reason aviation is safe -- you're not flying in experimental aircraft. Reliability and predicted behavior and known costs are what drives controlled change in the enterprise. Flooding desktop support by a version push is all that management needs to justify banning applications because they don't want to find the costs of essentially being an unwilling QA department for Mozilla.
 
2012-05-03 01:39:36 PM

scottydoesntknow: I don't know why, but the last Firefox update turned mine into complete shiat. Freezes and crashes for anything more than basic text on a website. I've moved to chrome simply because I can't do shiat with Firefox anymore.


1) Export Bookmarks.
2) Backup Profile
3) Delete Profile
4) Make fresh one.
5) Reimport bookmarks, old info as needed.

Worked like a charm for me. Profile corruption causes all that crap. Back to Firefox rather than Chrome.
 
2012-05-03 01:40:54 PM

Somacandra: xanadian: Sure, as soon as they support Noscript.

A big fat THIS


Wouldn't this work?
 
2012-05-03 01:41:19 PM

xanadian: WaltzingMathilda: TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.

chrome

Sure, as soon as they support Noscript.


Basically this.


I'm not switchin' to any browser where the website itself controls what displays. With firefox, I can control the sites. With Chrome, the sites control me. No thanks.
 
2012-05-03 01:41:45 PM
I am not a power-browser. The vast majority of the time, I just want to read the news, add a few comments on sites like FARK, and maybe some YouTube.

For me, it seems like most of the "browser upgrades" are 90% dedicated to hiding menu items and rearranging controls and options in some new, obscure way.
 
2012-05-03 01:42:19 PM

Rincewind53: I'll update if they manage to fix the frequent crashes and massive memory leaks that Firefox still has after years and years of work. After a full day of use, Firefox is sometimes using >1GB of RAM, with plugin-container.exe taking up another 500MB. This isn't a new problem.


I'm still cc'd on bugzilla bugs for FF and Thunderbird that are over TEN YEARS OLD.

They don't get it. It's a feature circle-jerk by developers who have no feedback of the pain they cause. Stability isn't sexy to them. Flashy features and feature of the month is.

All it is is what I've named "spiteware". Software innovation that's addressing already solved problems.

Move on Mozilla. Not not did Mocrosoft wil, they just bought your patents from AOL.

It's like they're still fighting the Spanish-Aamerican War.

Move on already.
 
2012-05-03 01:42:33 PM

cman: If you are using Firefox in this day in this age, you are a moron


Trolling a browser thread? Seriously? 2003 called, they'd like their shtick back.
 
2012-05-03 01:44:07 PM
"not only did Microsoft win"

Damned autocorrect.
 
2012-05-03 01:44:28 PM

xanadian: WaltzingMathilda: TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.

chrome

Sure, as soon as they support Noscript.


or you could just try "NotScript"?
 
2012-05-03 01:47:01 PM

doglover: I'm not switchin' to any browser where the website itself controls what displays. With firefox, I can control the sites. With Chrome, the sites control me. No thanks.


For Google, that's a 'feature,' not a bug.
 
2012-05-03 01:47:08 PM

doglover: xanadian: WaltzingMathilda: TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.

chrome

Sure, as soon as they support Noscript.

Basically this.


I'm not switchin' to any browser where the website itself controls what displays. With firefox, I can control the sites. With Chrome, the sites control me. No thanks.


i mean, do what you like, but chrome seems to be the most efficient as far as RAM hogging.

wtf do i really know except that it provides the easiest, fastest and least crash-y internet experience for me. plus, with all the add-ons i use, it gives me everything i had with firefox.
 
2012-05-03 01:48:13 PM

Somacandra: scottydoesntknow: I don't know why, but the last Firefox update turned mine into complete shiat. Freezes and crashes for anything more than basic text on a website. I've moved to chrome simply because I can't do shiat with Firefox anymore.

1) Export Bookmarks.
2) Backup Profile
3) Delete Profile
4) Make fresh one.
5) Reimport bookmarks, old info as needed.

Worked like a charm for me. Profile corruption causes all that crap. Back to Firefox rather than Chrome.


Thanks! I'll have to try that when I get home.
 
2012-05-03 01:48:42 PM

cman: If you are using Firefox in this day in this age, you are a moron


I use Firefox. I'm probably not a moron.
 
2012-05-03 01:49:52 PM
The way this article discusses how great the 'rounded corners are' makes me think of...

www.thetelecomblog.com
 
2012-05-03 01:51:07 PM
Chrome has script blocking. And ad blocking, and a host of other things - there is nothing that Firefox has that Chrome doesn't, that I miss or want.
 
2012-05-03 01:53:40 PM
I tried Chrome a while back and liked its general interface but was put off by its lack of plug-ins/features to which I've grown accustomed on Firefox.

NoScript (and the blacklists I've compiled over the years) is invaluable, as is AdBlock. I like WeatherFox but it's not crucial; Mouse Gestures Redox, on the other hand, is.

There are some other random plugins I like (e.g. YouTube Comment Snob and Better Facebook) but those three -- NoScript, AdBlock, and Mouse Gestures -- I've not seen completely replicated in the Chrome environment.
 
2012-05-03 01:54:43 PM

TNel: I thought that was one of the positives of Firefox that it was updated more often than Internet Explorer. So is it now a bad thing? I'm so confused please tell me how to access the internet the right way.


I updated my Firefox yesterday. It was horrendous. At first it tried to just do a partial upgrade, but that failed, and I had to click a button. Then Firefox shut down and then loaded the full version of the upgrade. I hit two more buttons. I was without the Internet for about 80 seconds. That was the most frightening 80 seconds of my life.
 
2012-05-03 01:59:12 PM

TwistedIvory: I tried Chrome a while back and liked its general interface but was put off by its lack of plug-ins/features to which I've grown accustomed on Firefox.

NoScript (and the blacklists I've compiled over the years) is invaluable, as is AdBlock. I like WeatherFox but it's not crucial; Mouse Gestures Redox, on the other hand, is.

There are some other random plugins I like (e.g. YouTube Comment Snob and Better Facebook) but those three -- NoScript, AdBlock, and Mouse Gestures -- I've not seen completely replicated in the Chrome environment.


how far back did you try it? it's completely customizable now. and what differences remain really aren't worth the RAM efficiency lost by using firefox.
 
2012-05-03 02:00:18 PM

WaltzingMathilda: it gives me everything i had with firefox.


Does it have noscript?
 
2012-05-03 02:02:35 PM

doglover: WaltzingMathilda: it gives me everything i had with firefox.

Does it have noscript?


it has notscripts which gives you a lot of the same controls.
 
2012-05-03 02:11:09 PM

WaltzingMathilda: how far back did you try it? it's completely customizable now. and what differences remain really aren't worth the RAM efficiency lost by using firefox.


It's definitely been a few years. I tried it within a few months of its release.
 
2012-05-03 02:15:57 PM
DO NOT WANT.
 
2012-05-03 02:17:34 PM

TwistedIvory: WaltzingMathilda: how far back did you try it? it's completely customizable now. and what differences remain really aren't worth the RAM efficiency lost by using firefox.

It's definitely been a few years. I tried it within a few months of its release.


i switched over about a year ago when the google talk function in gmail had a few seconds time lag when typing. i noticed that everything ran more efficiently, found the add-ons i wanted, and never looked back.
 
2012-05-03 02:18:02 PM

Pocket Ninja: I think they're already on version 4.1.2.5.8.23.2a, with 2b expected out in about 10 minutes or so.


You're way behind. Firefox 12 has already been out for 10 minutes or so.
 
2012-05-03 02:20:36 PM

TwistedIvory: There are some other random plugins I like (e.g. YouTube Comment Snob and Better Facebook) but those three -- NoScript, AdBlock, and Mouse Gestures -- I've not seen completely replicated in the Chrome environment.


I have mouse gestures, ad blocking, script blocking, and better facebook in Chrome.
 
2012-05-03 02:21:02 PM

jaylectricity: Pocket Ninja: I think they're already on version 4.1.2.5.8.23.2a, with 2b expected out in about 10 minutes or so.

You're way behind. Firefox 12 has already been out for 10 minutes or so.


No. Crisis on Infinite Firefox retconned everything and we've rebooted back to a post-crisis version of Firefox Beta.
 
2012-05-03 02:23:37 PM

EatHam: TwistedIvory: There are some other random plugins I like (e.g. YouTube Comment Snob and Better Facebook) but those three -- NoScript, AdBlock, and Mouse Gestures -- I've not seen completely replicated in the Chrome environment.

I have mouse gestures, ad blocking, script blocking, and better facebook in Chrome.


What are mouse gestures?
 
2012-05-03 02:31:01 PM
Firefox 12 just broke my VPN connection (I use linux with Cisco AnyConnect). I had to go back to a previous version to get my connection working. And yes, it was Firefox. Others I work with voiced the same problems.

Come on Firefox- don't be Microsofty on us. And PLEASE for the love of all that is, don't go 'Unity' on us, either.
 
2012-05-03 02:35:16 PM

Silly Jesus: What are mouse gestures?


For example, I hold the right mouse button, and move up and down, that refreshes the screen. Left, right, left, close the current tab. You can set your own to a variety of different things.
 
2012-05-03 02:36:32 PM

cman: If you are using Firefox in this day in this age, you are a moron


It works fine for me and my needs.
 
2012-05-03 02:37:15 PM

EatHam: Silly Jesus: What are mouse gestures?

For example, I hold the right mouse button, and move up and down, that refreshes the screen. Left, right, left, close the current tab. You can set your own to a variety of different things.


Huh, I had no idea. That's even lazier than keyboard magic commands!
 
2012-05-03 02:37:44 PM
Firefox is a memory hog but it does keep the CTR-F window open so I don't have to hit CTR-F every time I want to search for something.
 
2012-05-03 02:41:25 PM

Silly Jesus: EatHam: Silly Jesus: What are mouse gestures?

For example, I hold the right mouse button, and move up and down, that refreshes the screen. Left, right, left, close the current tab. You can set your own to a variety of different things.

Huh, I had no idea. That's even lazier than keyboard magic commands!


LOL seriously if you are so lazy that you can't either hit F5 or go up and press the refresh button or hit the red x then there's not much hope for you.
 
2012-05-03 02:58:01 PM

Silly Jesus: Huh, I had no idea. That's even lazier than keyboard magic commands!


It makes browsing very quick. Oftentimes I want to sit back and read a bunch of news tabs. I can open new tabs very quickly (middle click) and scroll through them (middle+right click) easily. Closing them when I'm done involves holding the right button and flicking the mouse down and to the right. I don't have to have hands on the keyboard and it makes it more efficient (I prefer the word "efficient" to "lazy") to browse and read.

It's a feature I started using on Opera back in the day, and now I can't imagine being without it. Mouse gestures are pervasive enough that I find myself trying to use them in regular Windows shells. "Why won't this damn explorer window close? Oh, right, I have to aim and click the X."
 
2012-05-03 02:58:22 PM

TNel: Silly Jesus: EatHam: Silly Jesus: What are mouse gestures?

For example, I hold the right mouse button, and move up and down, that refreshes the screen. Left, right, left, close the current tab. You can set your own to a variety of different things.

Huh, I had no idea. That's even lazier than keyboard magic commands!

LOL seriously if you are so lazy that you can't either hit F5 or go up and press the refresh button or hit the red x then there's not much hope for you.


efficiency =/= laziness
 
2012-05-03 03:02:05 PM

WaltzingMathilda:

efficiency =/= laziness


Surfing the internet doesn't mean you need to do it at break neck speeds to be efficient. Are you reclined that much that you can't use the keyboard or is the gut being used as a table for the Doritos bag?
 
2012-05-03 03:03:35 PM

TNel: WaltzingMathilda:

efficiency =/= laziness

Surfing the internet doesn't mean you need to do it at break neck speeds to be efficient. Are you reclined that much that you can't use the keyboard or is the gut being used as a table for the Doritos bag?


using the internet =/= surfing at leisure
 
2012-05-03 03:05:05 PM

TNel: WaltzingMathilda:

efficiency =/= laziness

Surfing the internet doesn't mean you need to do it at break neck speeds to be efficient. Are you reclined that much that you can't use the keyboard or is the gut being used as a table for the Doritos bag?


one thing that is funny about this is that you are arguing for a less efficient method of technology solely for the sake of it being something you're used to. you argue against a more efficient method (which is what technology is all about), solely because you don't do it.

you want to use a car rather than a bicycle? you lazy f*ck!
 
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