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2012-05-03 01:40:24 PM
Robert may be a poor and often lazy king, but he clearly has a solid belief in the rule of law. Jack Sparrow is probably the best example of a truly chaotic neutral character in popular culture.

"Chaotic neutral characters like to indulge in everything. This is the insurgent, the con-man, gambler, and high roller; the uncommitted freebooter seeking nothing more than self-gratification...According to chaotic neutrals, laws and rules infringe on personal freedom and were meant to be broken. This character is always looking for the best deal, and will work with good, neutral, or evil to get it; as long as he comes out of the situation on top. The chaotic neutral is constantly teetering between good and evil, rebelling, and bending the law to fit his needs."
 
2012-05-03 01:47:46 PM
Tyrion is True Neutral? Varys is Neutral Good? LOL WUT.
 
2012-05-03 01:56:37 PM
Stark never questions King Baratheon whether it be a request to kill his daughter's pet wolf

Mega fail, particularly the example cited. Robert appeased Cersei by ordering Lady killed, which Ned argued with, and Ned ultimately volunteered to do the deed rather than leave it to the headsman.

Other examples? Ned challenging Robert's order to have the Targaryens executed. And then there's the little matter of Jon Snow, if the theories hold up.
 
2012-05-03 02:00:25 PM
that was written by someone that doesn't really understand the alignments of D&D (any version). Most of those are very wrong.



/nerd war!
 
2012-05-03 02:14:32 PM

cannotsuggestaname: that was written by someone that doesn't really understand the alignments of D&D (any version). Most of those are very wrong.


It's GoT, mostly Lawful Neutral, Lawful Evil with an occasional sprinkling of Chaotic Evil for flavor.

As opposed to GRRM, who is Pedantic Hungry.
 
2012-05-03 02:18:47 PM
Varys' and Littlefinger's true agendas have yet to be revealed...they both continue to work for their own murky purposes...so it is a bit early to determine if one is good or evil. The rest of the characters have show pretty clear intent one way or the other.
 
2012-05-03 02:19:11 PM
Everyone would be Neutral Evil except Stannis, who's Lawful Neutral, Tyrion, who's just Neutral, and Joffrey, who's Chaotic Evil. Oh, and Jon Snow, who is Lawful Knows Nothing.
 
2012-05-03 02:19:53 PM
How is Tyrion neutral?
 
2012-05-03 02:21:57 PM

Quiefenburger: Varys' and Littlefinger's true agendas have yet to be revealed


Varys' agenda is to make sure Varys survives. Littlefinger is pretty much entirely motivated by bitterness over not getting to have Catelyn.
 
2012-05-03 02:22:24 PM
Either the author doesn't understand the alignments, didn't real the books too closely, or both. Littlefinger would be Chaotic Neutral/Evil - nothing is sacred, survive and prosper by any means. Especially by creating chaos and profiting by it.

Now Stannis, he gets his own alignment: Lawful. No good, no evil, no morality, just plain Lawful. Hell, he'd probably berate the Inevitables for not following some obscure rule...
 
2012-05-03 02:23:24 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: Everyone would be Neutral Evil except Stannis, who's Lawful Neutral, Tyrion, who's just Neutral, and Joffrey, who's Chaotic Evil. Oh, and Jon Snow, who is Lawful Knows Nothing.


Well done.

Minor spoiler: I think the non-book fans will get to meet her on Sunday.
 
2012-05-03 02:23:33 PM

Quiefenburger: Varys' and Littlefinger's true agendas have yet to be revealed...they both continue to work for their own murky purposes...so it is a bit early to determine if one is good or evil. The rest of the characters have show pretty clear intent one way or the other.


I dunno, are we talking in the books here? Both or their genereal plans and goals seem fairly clear by the end of the last book I thought.
 
2012-05-03 02:24:02 PM

knightofargh: It's GoT, mostly Lawful Neutral, Lawful Evil with an occasional sprinkling of Chaotic Evil for flavor.


Bah. I give you the baddest ass of all Westeros

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Barristan_Selmy

Lawful Good along with Brienne of Tarth
 
2012-05-03 02:24:15 PM
Cersei is pretty much textbook Lawful Evil. She works within the rules and the systems of control and only looks out for herself.

Tyrion is a tough one.to call - Lawful Neutral would be my best guess (highly disciplined mind, has a great deal of personal integrity (though he'd deny it). He's loyal to the Lannisters (which skews towards evil) but is frequently conflcted with his family.which makes him neutral.
 
2012-05-03 02:24:58 PM
This may be the nerdiest link I've seen on Fark in months...so, I clicked the motherfer right away.

There is now Robert Baratheon was Chaotic Neutral, I would swing him in the Lawful Neutral with slight LE tendencies. One can be a hedonist and still hold high regard for law and honor. Joffrey, Lawful Evil, he comprehends power, uses it to his advantage, but still an evil little shiat. The only truly "Chaotic" character was Drogo, pretty much the personification of Chaotic Neutral with good tendencies.
 
2012-05-03 02:26:51 PM
Man.. i just finished book 3 and its farking BRUTAL... EVERYONE dies..... every page is like WTF!!!! BTW.... you can't spoil shiat the books have been out for 20 years... read them.. 100X better than the show...
 
2012-05-03 02:27:47 PM
And Joffrey is a pretty fair example of chaotic stupid
 
2012-05-03 02:28:04 PM

Abner Doon: I dunno, are we talking in the books here? Both or their genereal plans and goals seem fairly clear by the end of the last book I thought.


Littlefinger's isn't necessarily. And although we got insight into Varys's immediate scheme with Griff and Co., it's not clear whether that is his endgame or just a means to an end - much less his motive for any of it truly is.
 
2012-05-03 02:29:13 PM

clovis69: knightofargh: It's GoT, mostly Lawful Neutral, Lawful Evil with an occasional sprinkling of Chaotic Evil for flavor.

Bah. I give you the baddest ass of all Westeros

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Barristan_Selmy

Lawful Good along with Brienne of Tarth


Hence my usage of the modifier "mostly". DNRTFA since i09. I despise Gawker.

GRRM is still Pedantic Hungry. I'm still amazed that he's reskinned the War of the Roses and managed to sell it as "fantasy".
 
2012-05-03 02:30:02 PM

knightofargh: clovis69: knightofargh: It's GoT, mostly Lawful Neutral, Lawful Evil with an occasional sprinkling of Chaotic Evil for flavor.

Bah. I give you the baddest ass of all Westeros

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Barristan_Selmy

Lawful Good along with Brienne of Tarth

Hence my usage of the modifier "mostly". DNRTFA since i09. I despise Gawker.

GRRM is still Pedantic Hungry. I'm still amazed that he's reskinned the War of the Roses and managed to sell it as "fantasy".


Most people probably aren't aware of that the War of the Roses is.
 
2012-05-03 02:30:45 PM

Ennuipoet: This may be the nerdiest link I've seen on Fark in months...so, I clicked the motherfer right away.

There is now Robert Baratheon was Chaotic Neutral, I would swing him in the Lawful Neutral with slight LE tendencies. One can be a hedonist and still hold high regard for law and honor. Joffrey, Lawful Evil, he comprehends power, uses it to his advantage, but still an evil little shiat. The only truly "Chaotic" character was Drogo, pretty much the personification of Chaotic Neutral with good tendencies.


Drogo was absolutely CN, no "tendencies" about anything.
 
2012-05-03 02:31:07 PM

knightofargh: GRRM is still Pedantic Hungry. I'm still amazed that he's reskinned the War of the Roses and managed to sell it as "fantasy".


War of the Roses had dragons, zombies, and wizards? Holy shiat, I need to bone up on my English history! :p
 
2012-05-03 02:32:42 PM

knightofargh: GRRM is still Pedantic Hungry. I'm still amazed that he's reskinned the War of the Roses and managed to sell it as "fantasy".


I, for one, remember the chapter of my history book when Henry Tudor's dragonriders laid waste to the Richard III's red sorceresses just in time to defend England and Wales from the ice zombie invasion from north of Hadrian's Wall.
 
2012-05-03 02:33:06 PM

Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: War of the Roses had dragons, zombies, and wizards? Holy shiat, I need to bone up on my English history! :p


Hence "reskinned" brah.

And some of the aristocracy in the era would resemble zombies due to inbreeding. It's only incest if your sister is ugly, if she's hot it's wincest.
 
2012-05-03 02:35:27 PM

kronicfeld: I, for one, remember the chapter of my history book when Henry Tudor's dragonriders laid waste to the Richard III's red sorceresses just in time to defend England and Wales from the ice zombie invasion from north of Hadrian's Wall.


I'd totally play that! When does GW release the overpriced miniatures with new Bolton Pink paint and a codex for each army?
 
2012-05-03 02:35:44 PM

kronicfeld: Abner Doon: I dunno, are we talking in the books here? Both or their genereal plans and goals seem fairly clear by the end of the last book I thought.

Littlefinger's isn't necessarily. And although we got insight into Varys's immediate scheme with Griff and Co., it's not clear whether that is his endgame or just a means to an end - much less his motive for any of it truly is.


Spoilery - I'm thinking that Varys's plan has something to do with R'Hollor and The Others. He saw Things That Should Not Be Seen when he was first cut - he's the type of character who would investigate more, he could have learned something about the big confrontation coming, and he's using the Targaryens (sp) in that conflict. Now, who's side he's on (aside his own) remains to be seen.
 
2012-05-03 02:37:49 PM

Abner Doon: Quiefenburger: Varys' and Littlefinger's true agendas have yet to be revealed...they both continue to work for their own murky purposes...so it is a bit early to determine if one is good or evil. The rest of the characters have show pretty clear intent one way or the other.

I dunno, are we talking in the books here? Both or their genereal plans and goals seem fairly clear by the end of the last book I thought.


Ya, I've read through the books. I see both as being self centered and bent on ushering their own agenda into a position of supreme power. I can't say either one is good or evil...I'm not sure GRRM has fully let on one way or another.
 
2012-05-03 02:37:55 PM

kronicfeld: knightofargh: GRRM is still Pedantic Hungry. I'm still amazed that he's reskinned the War of the Roses and managed to sell it as "fantasy".

I, for one, remember the chapter of my history book when Henry Tudor's dragonriders laid waste to the Richard III's red sorceresses just in time to defend England and Wales from the ice zombie invasion from north of Hadrian's Wall.


farking Scots!
 
2012-05-03 02:38:33 PM
Littlefinger seems more Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral. He works within the system a bit too much to not be called Lawful.

With the current info given out on Varys, Neutral Good is an alright claim. He doesn't really screw anyone over yet and is actively helpful to pretty much everyone.
 
2012-05-03 02:38:33 PM
Calling Stark LG is pretty stupid.

Anyone that when given a choice between keeping the acknowledged heir on the throne or throwing the kindom into a bloody civil war with Winter coming sure as hell isn't good.

The LN stick was so far up Stark's ass that I was happy when he died. (shocked, admittedly, since he was supposed to lead the defense of the Wall but still happy)
 
2012-05-03 02:39:29 PM

Xaxor: Tyrion is True Neutral? Varys is Neutral Good? LOL WUT.


I think the author hasn't read the books and has only seen the mini series. So must be basing this only on 1.5 books rather than all 5.

/Finish the God Damn Series Already! Get back to witting GRRM!
 
2012-05-03 02:43:32 PM

knightofargh: Cthulhu_is_my_homeboy: War of the Roses had dragons, zombies, and wizards? Holy shiat, I need to bone up on my English history! :p

Hence "reskinned" brah.

And some of the aristocracy in the era would resemble zombies due to inbreeding. It's only incest if your sister is ugly, if she's hot it's wincest.


The Habsburgs weren't English, and they had nothing to do with the War of the Roses.
 
2012-05-03 02:43:50 PM
Tyrion was not true neutral he's one of the most 'good' characters in the whole series.

I'm glad they didn't include Jamie Lannister in the list. because they'd either be flat our wrong or spoil it for people who haven't read the books.

Spoliers...

I told my wife, "yeah Jamie is kind of a dick at first but you'll end up liking him." She flat out refused to believe that he turns out to not be such an asshole until she finally caught up with the books.
 
2012-05-03 02:44:18 PM

deathbunny32: Littlefinger seems more Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral. He works within the system a bit too much to not be called Lawful.

With the current info given out on Varys, Neutral Good is an alright claim. He doesn't really screw anyone over yet and is actively helpful to pretty much everyone.


Littlfinger works "within" the system because he doesn't have the strength to ignore it.

Varys? Neutral neutral. He helps people who have power, or who can help him. That isn't good, that is self serving.
 
2012-05-03 02:44:24 PM
It's already been said earlier in this thread, but alignment does not work that way.

I regret clicking the link.
 
2012-05-03 02:45:32 PM

Warrener: Anyone that when given a choice between keeping the acknowledged heir on the throne or throwing the kindom into a bloody civil war with Winter coming sure as hell isn't good.


Or, leaving an evil, illegitimate git like Joffrey on the throne could be seen as a greater threat to Westeros than civil war. Besides, he did his best to undo the damage, but Joffrey wasn't having any of it. it was JOFFREY who started the civil war, not Ned Stark.
 
2012-05-03 02:46:07 PM
There are a lot of lists like this. What boxer would they be, what presidential candidate would the be, etc. I haven't seen one suggesting what Halloween Costume a character would probably wear.

Now obviously Ned Stark would go as the Headless Horseman because of his love of horse riding. Tyrion could go as a secret service agent and spend all night asking where whores go. Cersei could go as Sinead O'Conner. Jamie could be the killer from The Fugitive movie. Jon Snow could go as Hamlet. Catelyn Stark could be something boring, like a zombie.

What other lists could we make up?
 
2012-05-03 02:48:31 PM
Littlefinger is Chaotic Neutral.

He only works within the law because he has to. He's not loyal to anyone but himself. The fact that he runs a brothel should be proof enough that he is not "Lawful".

He fits many of the characteristics listed in the Boobies, and for the ones he doesn't, its simply because his survival instict, or his traumatic love past cause confliction there.
 
2012-05-03 02:49:09 PM

Mike Chewbacca: Warrener: Anyone that when given a choice between keeping the acknowledged heir on the throne or throwing the kindom into a bloody civil war with Winter coming sure as hell isn't good.

Or, leaving an evil, illegitimate git like Joffrey on the throne could be seen as a greater threat to Westeros than civil war. Besides, he did his best to undo the damage, but Joffrey wasn't having any of it. it was JOFFREY who started the civil war, not Ned Stark.


No, Catelyn did it. Stupid Tully.
 
2012-05-03 02:49:16 PM
io9 sucks.
 
2012-05-03 02:50:10 PM

Ennuipoet: There is now Robert Baratheon was Chaotic Neutral, I would swing him in the Lawful Neutral with slight LE tendencies. One can be a hedonist and still hold high regard for law and honor. Joffrey, Lawful Evil, he comprehends power, uses it to his advantage, but still an evil little shiat. The only truly "Chaotic" character was Drogo, pretty much the personification of Chaotic Neutral with good tendencies.


A Chaotic Evil individual understands power just fine. The primary difference between a LE king and a CE King is that the LE ruler is dependent on laws, traditions and alliances to rule. A CE character relies purely on intimidation and fear. He rules because he has the strength (in this case the Lannister power and reputation) to subjugate his subjects. Which is a fairly accurate summation of Joffrey's conduct as king.
 
2012-05-03 02:50:48 PM

SpoilerAlert: What other lists could we make up?


What farker would they be?
 
2012-05-03 02:52:59 PM

justtray: Littlefinger is Chaotic Neutral.

He only works within the law because he has to. He's not loyal to anyone but himself. The fact that he runs a brothel should be proof enough that he is not "Lawful".


I don't think prostitution is illegal in Westeros, is it?
 
2012-05-03 02:54:45 PM

Solon Isonomia: Mike Chewbacca: Warrener: Anyone that when given a choice between keeping the acknowledged heir on the throne or throwing the kindom into a bloody civil war with Winter coming sure as hell isn't good.

Or, leaving an evil, illegitimate git like Joffrey on the throne could be seen as a greater threat to Westeros than civil war. Besides, he did his best to undo the damage, but Joffrey wasn't having any of it. it was JOFFREY who started the civil war, not Ned Stark.

No, Catelyn did it. Stupid Tully.


No, Bran did it. Stupid peeping-Stark.
 
2012-05-03 02:57:28 PM

deathbunny32: Littlefinger seems more Lawful Evil or Lawful Neutral. He works within the system a bit too much to not be called Lawful.


True, but the whole betrayal of Ned Stark would be troubling to a Lawful person.
 
2012-05-03 02:58:59 PM
Beric Dondarrion: Lawful Badass
 
2012-05-03 02:59:00 PM
I'm almost to the end of book 5 so there's not much you can spoil for me. I have a question and I can't remember if they said why in the books.

Why is he Joffrey Lannister and not Joffrey Baratheon? Shouldn't he have taken his Father's name.

(Other than the fact he's actually [REDACTED]. A fact Cersei will deny vehemently to the public.)
 
2012-05-03 03:00:09 PM
What if we stopped linking to io9?
 
2012-05-03 03:02:15 PM

Alfonso the Great: Solon Isonomia: Mike Chewbacca: Warrener: Anyone that when given a choice between keeping the acknowledged heir on the throne or throwing the kindom into a bloody civil war with Winter coming sure as hell isn't good.

Or, leaving an evil, illegitimate git like Joffrey on the throne could be seen as a greater threat to Westeros than civil war. Besides, he did his best to undo the damage, but Joffrey wasn't having any of it. it was JOFFREY who started the civil war, not Ned Stark.

No, Catelyn did it. Stupid Tully.

No, Bran did it. Stupid peeping-Stark.


Cat's advice to go to King's Landing preceded the Bran incident. Again, stupid farking Tully.
 
2012-05-03 03:04:14 PM

knightofargh: SpoilerAlert: What other lists could we make up?

What farker would they be?


Robert Baratheon = Drew Curtis
Cersei = Grable's Daughter
Tyrion = Pocket Ninja
Jon Snow = Gat_00
Hodor = meowsaysthedog
Joffery = Bevets


Hmmm...I like this game...
 
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