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2012-05-03 08:01:17 PM
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2012-05-03 08:01:37 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Right now I'm working on 3 days of LSD to recover from this weeks riding. I've found an aweseom route through atherton, then across Stanfurd then over towards moffet field and the trail by 237.

Saturday was Old La honda to La honda to Pescadero creek to hwy 1 to santa cruz. (3:00/60mi/3800')+ the last 25 miles + 800' took me an hour.

sunday full rest.
monday: up hwy 9, down hwy 9, san tomas expressway. 50 miles, 3500' 3:05.
Tuesday : old la honda, 35, 9, san tomas. (48 miles, 3 hrs, 3500')
feels good man.

Super-human, dude! I just did the Sea Otter Gran Fondo with Team in Training and am now thinking of selling my bike and quitting forever ;-)


I was working public safety, dispatching ambulances, for Sea Otter. Great weekend.
 
2012-05-03 08:07:37 PM

UtileDysfunktion: So long as we're venting... RUNNERS! IN THE ROAD!


it's the morning after a snowstorm, only the major roads have been cleared and certainly not the sidewalks. i'm driving to work and come around a corner and there is a yuppy mom WITH HER farkING STROLLER jogging in the middle of the street.
 
2012-05-03 08:09:25 PM

Pitabred: demonbug: Has anyone mentioned yet that spandex makes people stupid?

Not quite always true, but close enough to be a good rule. I live in one of the top bicycling towns in the U.S.; awesome because we have extensive bike lanes and bike paths that take you everywhere (with lots of bike parking wherever you go), not so awesome because we also have lots of cyclists who wear spandex and like to go everywhere in large groups riding 4 or 5 abreast. Obviously if you are wearing spandex you are way too fast for the bike lane/path, so they usually ride in the street. Road signs and traffic lights are clearly optional at best when you are riding with two or more of your buddies; if you are wearing spandex, you never ride with fewer than two of your buddies. If someone driving a car nearly hits you because you just ignored the sign telling you to stop, spandex makes you go nuts and yell for several minutes at the driver, and/or feel entitled to do whatever malicious damage to their car you can manage (I've seen everything from kicking dents to keying to trying to break windows with pumps; fortunately u-locks are an abomination to the spandex gods, or they might manage some real damage).

I'm pretty sure it is an effect of the spandex, as I have friends that are normal, wonderful, polite, considerate human beings until they put their spandex on and go for a ride with the team. Then they become self-absorbed, angry assholes until the spandex once more comes off.

Completely related to this:

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Came across these guys one weekend north of Boulder, CO. The speed limit on that road is 65, and they just didn't care that they were forcing people over the yellow lines to give them safe distance, especially at speed.

/Checked way ahead down the road as I was coming up on them before taking the picture, to make sure I wouldn't put anyone in danger
//Crossed the yellow lines myself to give them room
///Phone was on a mount so all I had to do was touch the ...


There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.
 
2012-05-03 08:09:57 PM

Tawnos: Magnanimous_J: When I'm on my motorcycle and see cyclists doing this, I love to either blast past them a foot away or line up my muffler with their fork and just cruise there for a mile or so, riding one gear too low.

Of course you do, you're a self-important Seattle douchebag :)


Maybe, but at least I can keep up with traffic! :)
 
2012-05-03 08:10:50 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Hell, I'm at 1000+ miles a month now.


You should go do the Tour de France. No, I am not saying you should compete in the race, but if I remember correctly there are bike tour groups where you can ride the course over the same number of days.
 
2012-05-03 08:12:43 PM

Pitabred: demonbug: Has anyone mentioned yet that spandex makes people stupid?

Not quite always true, but close enough to be a good rule. I live in one of the top bicycling towns in the U.S.; awesome because we have extensive bike lanes and bike paths that take you everywhere (with lots of bike parking wherever you go), not so awesome because we also have lots of cyclists who wear spandex and like to go everywhere in large groups riding 4 or 5 abreast. Obviously if you are wearing spandex you are way too fast for the bike lane/path, so they usually ride in the street. Road signs and traffic lights are clearly optional at best when you are riding with two or more of your buddies; if you are wearing spandex, you never ride with fewer than two of your buddies. If someone driving a car nearly hits you because you just ignored the sign telling you to stop, spandex makes you go nuts and yell for several minutes at the driver, and/or feel entitled to do whatever malicious damage to their car you can manage (I've seen everything from kicking dents to keying to trying to break windows with pumps; fortunately u-locks are an abomination to the spandex gods, or they might manage some real damage).

I'm pretty sure it is an effect of the spandex, as I have friends that are normal, wonderful, polite, considerate human beings until they put their spandex on and go for a ride with the team. Then they become self-absorbed, angry assholes until the spandex once more comes off.

Completely related to this:

[i49.tinypic.com image 640x583]

Came across these guys one weekend north of Boulder, CO. The speed limit on that road is 65, and they just didn't care that they were forcing people over the yellow lines to give them safe distance, especially at speed.

/Checked way ahead down the road as I was coming up on them before taking the picture, to make sure I wouldn't put anyone in danger
//Crossed the yellow lines myself to give them room
///Phone was on a mount so all I had to do was touch the ...


You're complaining about that???? If that's the case then NOTHING will make you happy. Those guys are on the shoulder. Nice wide one too. You don't have to do much to give them a reasonable amount of room.
 
2012-05-03 08:16:19 PM

gregario: Pitabred: demonbug: Has anyone mentioned yet that spandex makes people stupid?

Not quite always true, but close enough to be a good rule. I live in one of the top bicycling towns in the U.S.; awesome because we have extensive bike lanes and bike paths that take you everywhere (with lots of bike parking wherever you go), not so awesome because we also have lots of cyclists who wear spandex and like to go everywhere in large groups riding 4 or 5 abreast. Obviously if you are wearing spandex you are way too fast for the bike lane/path, so they usually ride in the street. Road signs and traffic lights are clearly optional at best when you are riding with two or more of your buddies; if you are wearing spandex, you never ride with fewer than two of your buddies. If someone driving a car nearly hits you because you just ignored the sign telling you to stop, spandex makes you go nuts and yell for several minutes at the driver, and/or feel entitled to do whatever malicious damage to their car you can manage (I've seen everything from kicking dents to keying to trying to break windows with pumps; fortunately u-locks are an abomination to the spandex gods, or they might manage some real damage).

I'm pretty sure it is an effect of the spandex, as I have friends that are normal, wonderful, polite, considerate human beings until they put their spandex on and go for a ride with the team. Then they become self-absorbed, angry assholes until the spandex once more comes off.

Completely related to this:

[i49.tinypic.com image 640x583]

Came across these guys one weekend north of Boulder, CO. The speed limit on that road is 65, and they just didn't care that they were forcing people over the yellow lines to give them safe distance, especially at speed.

/Checked way ahead down the road as I was coming up on them before taking the picture, to make sure I wouldn't put anyone in danger
//Crossed the yellow lines myself to give them room
///Phone was on a mount so all I had to do was ...


You don't understand. Because the cyclists are properly staying on the shoulder, the car drivers are going into shock, thus causing a safety hazard.

Around here the bikes would have been on the left side of that white line.
 
2012-05-03 08:19:27 PM

december: UtileDysfunktion: So long as we're venting... RUNNERS! IN THE ROAD!

it's the morning after a snowstorm, only the major roads have been cleared and certainly not the sidewalks. i'm driving to work and come around a corner and there is a yuppy mom WITH HER farkING STROLLER jogging in the middle of the street.


cold story bro:

A bunch of years ago I rode to work on a particular November day where it had snowed lightly in the early morning hours. It was before the plow contracts had been finalized so no plowing, salting or sanding had occurred and it was rolled down to ice. I went right down Mass Ave, one of the worst streets for a bike in Boston/Cambridge with 2-3 lanes in each direction but typically narrow and with weird intersections. For the cars it was an absolute cluster fark, they were gridlocked and 99% stationary for 3+ miles. I had a pair of nokian 396 studded tires on my mountain bike and it took me the same time as usual to get to work.
 
2012-05-03 08:26:00 PM
If youre going to ride with me in my lane, well you better keep up.
 
2012-05-03 08:26:34 PM

Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: Hell, I'm at 1000+ miles a month now.

You should go do the Tour de France. No, I am not saying you should compete in the race, but if I remember correctly there are bike tour groups where you can ride the course over the same number of days.


Link

Try stage 7, if ridden Ontario to Mt baldy Ski Area parking lot it has the same elevation change and general profile as Alpe d'Huez, this year they are making it longer by doing the first half, then taking a 40 mile 'break' before resuming the climb.
 
2012-05-03 08:27:36 PM
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2012-05-03 08:27:40 PM

sharpie_69: Mitch Taylor's Bro: thomps: i know it's such a pain to stop and start on a bike but stop being such cocks and pay attention to your surroundings.

It's not a pain. I call it "interval training." Would I rather hit a green light at every intersection? Of course. But I feel that way when I'm driving my car, too. Doesn't mean I am justified in running red lights regardless of what vehicle I'm driving/riding at the time.

You rule -- and are doing it right!


Thanks, I try...because it helps keep me safer on the road.
 
2012-05-03 08:30:07 PM

Mock26: chewielouie: For the mountain bikers . . .

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Some of you people need to get out more often.

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Don't forget to wear your helmet.

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Admit it, it all depends on who exactly is slowing you down. Don't worry, the McDonald's your heading too isn't going anywhere.

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Ok, that about does it for now. Gonna head out for a bike ride now while you haters stay fat.

Who is the first woman?


I'm glad you asked. Had to look her up.
Niki Gudex. Professional mountain biker. Australia.

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I'm really liking this chick.
 
2012-05-03 08:34:45 PM
Plenty of bike trails and lanes around here, yet they still love to drift into my lane on windy mountain roads. Then I have to slow way down and pass carefully. I can't go into the oncoming lane because of how windy the damn road is. I have no hatred for cyclists, but I really wish they would stay in their lane and quit scaring the crap out of me.
 
2012-05-03 08:36:35 PM

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2012-05-03 08:40:14 PM

foxbrook78: december: UtileDysfunktion: So long as we're venting... RUNNERS! IN THE ROAD!

it's the morning after a snowstorm, only the major roads have been cleared and certainly not the sidewalks. i'm driving to work and come around a corner and there is a yuppy mom WITH HER farkING STROLLER jogging in the middle of the street.

cold story bro:

A bunch of years ago I rode to work on a particular November day where it had snowed lightly in the early morning hours. It was before the plow contracts had been finalized so no plowing, salting or sanding had occurred and it was rolled down to ice. I went right down Mass Ave, one of the worst streets for a bike in Boston/Cambridge with 2-3 lanes in each direction but typically narrow and with weird intersections. For the cars it was an absolute cluster fark, they were gridlocked and 99% stationary for 3+ miles. I had a pair of nokian 396 studded tires on my mountain bike and it took me the same time as usual to get to work.


i lived in Cambridge for grad school and biking in that city turned me into a very safe cyclist. the sheer lunacy of some of the driving taught me to be aware of my surroundings at all times. got doored once on Newbury street by someone leaping out of an SUV. Got plowed into by a cyclist driving the wrong way on Broadway. Dozens of near misses on Mass ave ... biking in Boston is a great crash course on the worst shiat with which you'll have to deal.
 
2012-05-03 08:50:07 PM
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:-D
 
xcv
2012-05-03 08:51:54 PM
This young, male SUV driver was screaming his head off for me to get my bike out of the left lane, my left-turn signaling only infuriating the driver further


With the light still red and the driver edging his front bumper forward till it was an inch from pressing against my rear tire, I took advantage of the lack of traffic to cut through the red light. The SUV pursued me, with the driver or his passenger shouting at me "you better run."

I hopped the avenue's concrete island divider and went the reverse direction, he did a u-turn at the next opportunity while still shouting profanities, but by then I was turning right and going up the sidewalk of an opposing one-way street, far out of my way to avoid a confrontation.

Now cyclists can be assholes, but at least they don't have the power of thousands of pounds of steel at their hands, or a much easier means of concealing and accessing weapons.
 
2012-05-03 08:53:55 PM

gregario: You're complaining about that???? If that's the case then NOTHING will make you happy. Those guys are on the shoulder. Nice wide one too. You don't have to do much to give them a reasonable amount of room.


It's a nice wide shoulder, but the vehicle lane isn't quite wide enough to give them a safe (3'+) buffer when passing them, especially going 65MPH. You know, cars push a lot of air going that speed, and it can make the cyclists wobble. They were also weaving back and forth, and they just happened to be completely inside the lane at the exact time this picture was taken. They were going over the white line often enough that I didn't feel safe passing them while staying entirely in my lane. I will drive a foot or two from a concrete barrier on the highway, though. It's not my skill that made me cross the line, it was my inability to guarantee their safety otherwise. There's also the fact that it's illegal to ride 3 abreast no matter what.

Like I said... I don't mind most cyclists. I do mind the ones that do stupid crap... these guys could have easily rode single file or even two abreast and not caused traffic to slow and dodge around them, but they decided their chat was more important than their safety, other people's safety, and everyone's ability to get where they were going as relatively smoothly as possible.
 
2012-05-03 09:09:26 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Woodside, and Irvine are both notorious for stop sign tickets. sometimes ticketing a whole group ride, lol.
Never had a problem myself, because *I* stop at that 4 way, and near woodbridge when on Como street ride.


Irvine, too? I went to college there. But that was before cycling really caught on in the US. I actually met Greg LeMond at a bike shop in Irvine after he won the TdF. I didn't know who he was, but he was signing posters and a cyclist friend couldn't go, so I went, shook his hand and had him sign a poster with my friend's name.

/ CSB
 
2012-05-03 09:15:18 PM

pute kisses like a man: I never liked biking with a satchel. it would always slide in front of me, and then it'd be hitting my knees. a comfortable back pack is the way to go


This. But every body is different.
 
2012-05-03 09:20:46 PM
To the cyclist who rode across Bayview and Steeles at 3:30pm EST with no regard to what's going on around them, cutting off a police cruiser and two ambulances, fark you.

You were also crossing a major intersection against a light, with your stupid ipod on, and you didn't even LOOK before you went straight across. You're incredibly lucky the police officer spotted you at the last second as you darted out from between a city bus and the curb or you wouldn't have been run the hell over.

Some cyclists follow the rules and are nice to share the road with generally. Others are just complete idiots like said cyclist. The cop coming with us did call down to the officer speed trapping just east on Steeles and hopefully gave dumbass here a talking to.

/North York farkers will know what speed trap I'm talking about.
 
2012-05-03 09:24:07 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Motor cops in Woodside, CA, do a fine job of handing out tickets to cyclists, thanks. If you're mountain biking on publicly managed wilderness or park land, the rangers have radar guns and will sit at the bottom of steep trails to give you speeding tickets for exceeding the unposted* 15 MPH speed limit, too.

* Technically, it's usually mentioned on the general info signs at trailheads.

yeah... but the rangers have to *catch you* before they can ticket you ;)
and there are so many outlets from the various parks, hell you can get from skylive to tunitas creek in a few places if you know what you are doing ;)

Also do you ride to work?
Want a commute partner?


I'd never run from a ranger, but I also keep it sane on the trails. If I wanted to go as fast as I wanted, I'd race. MTBing is a fun way to get great exercise, but there are other people on the trail, so I give them their space, too.

As for commuting, I live way south of your commute. Gonna do the Tour de Cure up near you, though. 75km route this time because the 120km route put some serious hurt on me last year. Starting with King's Mtn, riding 40 miles around Pescadero and the coast, then ending with Tunitas Creek is just plain mean.
 
2012-05-03 09:32:05 PM

ha-ha-guy: bdub77: I wish cyclists had their own bike paths. I really do. I wish they had as many options as cars do. I wish they had little bridges they could bike over intersections with. I wish they had their own underground system of tunnels they could use. Something. Anything.

Because I f*cking hate cyclists on the road. And when they gang up together to literally block a one-lane road, I seriously want to play bowling ball to their f*cking yellow shirted Lance Armstrong wannabe bodies.

Nice bike paths along the side of the road. No bicyclist wants a fully separate path as joggers, mothers with strollers, and dog walkers take up that bike path. We have a path out here specifically designed for bikers to move between two roads and all kinds of signs on it saying "Commuting Bikers Only". Yet you can't use it because some asshole is standing on one side of the bike path with his 20 feet retractable dog leash played out across the path to clothesline you.

A nice separate bike lane (structured so all the road debris doesn't collect on it) is the solution. Separate bike paths and remarking the shoulder are wastes of your money. Foot traffic renders the first unusable and the debris on the shoulder makes the second option unusable.


I always thought it was interesting...

Most bicyclists demand to be allowed on the road. Even if the road is 45mph and they can do only 20mph. Even if the road is so narrow that it's easy for them to block traffic for long periods.

And yet many of these same bicyclists (not all) will say that they can't share a sidewalk with joggers, walkers and such because they pedestrians are too slow, clog the lane and make it so the bicyclist has to slow down periodically, or gets stuck behind them.

So it's okay if you do it, but not if it happens to you?

/got nothing against bicyclists that use both and are decent drivers in traffic.
//will go out of my way for those bicyclists.
 
2012-05-03 09:33:32 PM

OgreMagi: I'm an equestrian and worked as a trail guide on a multi-use trail. From my experience, most of the people on bikes understood the need to be careful around horses. There were, of course, the douche-nuggets.


Who spoil it for everyone :-(

I used to mountain bike at a preserve that had two riding schools adjacent, so they had a lot of instructors and new riders there. One of the instructors politely, but firmly, explained to me why I should wait on the downhill side of the trail when letting a horse pass. She said that if the horse gets spooked, it'll run uphill, which is less scary for the rider than if it ran downhill. Is that true?
 
2012-05-03 09:38:25 PM

Dimensio: I am a cyclist. After reading the article and studying the messages reportedly displayed on signs, I have formulated my reaction:

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Ditto. A $3000 bike doesn't grant one permission to be a grade-A asshole any more than anything else does. Share the road, and don't ignore those around you.

/I ride my $100 bike at the park, fewer assholes. Not totally avoided, but fewer of them.
 
2012-05-03 09:40:47 PM

rooftop235: Hack Patooey: I have been taking the "But you have to take them all as individuals" road for years now, not putting the idiot bikers in with the majority. Especially around here, we get literally hundreds of bikers on the local streets every weekend spring/summer/fall day.

I can't do it anymore. These are YOUR friends and co-riders riding like this, running red lights and stop signs, riding four abreast at 15mph oblivious to traffic, etc... Until you start policing your own, you get lumped in with them.

THIS


To be fair, I have seen some darn good cyclists out here. A lot of bad ones too.

I live in an area that has a pretty high population density (without being an actual city with sky scrapers and all) and since most people are going to be strangers, I don't expect the average citizen to "police" a stranger, even if the stranger has the same hobby as he does. What is he honestly supposed to do? Yell at the guy? That won't accomplish anything, except perhaps getting harassed in return.

As such I *do* separate out the good cyclists from the bad when I'm talking about bicycle problems.

/I don't count problems having to slow down for a couple of seconds to find a safe place to pass, that's just common driving.
//several minutes behind because they're riding two abreast on a 2 lane road with traffic on both sides *is* a problem though.
 
2012-05-03 09:41:40 PM

Pitabred: Completely related to this:

i49.tinypic.com

Came across these guys one weekend north of Boulder, CO. The speed limit on that road is 65, and they just didn't care that they were forcing people over the yellow lines to give them safe distance, especially at speed.

/Checked way ahead down the road as I was coming up on them before taking the picture, to make sure I wouldn't put anyone in danger
//Crossed the yellow lines myself to give them room
///Phone was on a mount so all I had to do was touch the screen, never took my eyes off the road or my hand off the wheel


Thanks for being extra cautious, but those guys are all on the shoulder. Any competent driver could've passed them safely without crossing the yellow line. Now, if one of them was over or on the white line, you'd have a valid complaint.
 
2012-05-03 09:42:17 PM

fireclown: PeterPipersPickledPecker: The only people more righteously indignant than Prius owners are bicyclists.

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Bite my shiny Titanium frame again.
/stupid tinypic.


fireclown: PeterPipersPickledPecker: The only people more righteously indignant than Prius owners are bicyclists.

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Bite my shiny Titanium frame again.
/stupid tinypic.

What do those bumper stickers mean?
 
2012-05-03 09:44:07 PM

crotchgrabber: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Right now I'm working on 3 days of LSD to recover from this weeks riding. I've found an aweseom route through atherton, then across Stanfurd then over towards moffet field and the trail by 237.

Saturday was Old La honda to La honda to Pescadero creek to hwy 1 to santa cruz. (3:00/60mi/3800')+ the last 25 miles + 800' took me an hour.

sunday full rest.
monday: up hwy 9, down hwy 9, san tomas expressway. 50 miles, 3500' 3:05.
Tuesday : old la honda, 35, 9, san tomas. (48 miles, 3 hrs, 3500')
feels good man.

Super-human, dude! I just did the Sea Otter Gran Fondo with Team in Training and am now thinking of selling my bike and quitting forever ;-)

I was working public safety, dispatching ambulances, for Sea Otter. Great weekend.


FREAKIN' HOT THOUGH! The last rest stop at Laureles Lodge was extra cruel: right behind the food and water table was a swimming pool. I thought about jumping in (heard some people did) but I knew that if my shoes came off, they weren't going back on. That was the hardest ride I've done so far!

Thanks for volunteering!
 
2012-05-03 09:45:59 PM

OgreMagi: You don't understand. Because the cyclists are properly staying on the shoulder, the car drivers are going into shock, thus causing a safety hazard.

Around here the bikes would have been on the left side of that white line.


LOL
 
2012-05-03 09:46:25 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Pitabred: Completely related to this:

i49.tinypic.com

Came across these guys one weekend north of Boulder, CO. The speed limit on that road is 65, and they just didn't care that they were forcing people over the yellow lines to give them safe distance, especially at speed.

/Checked way ahead down the road as I was coming up on them before taking the picture, to make sure I wouldn't put anyone in danger
//Crossed the yellow lines myself to give them room
///Phone was on a mount so all I had to do was touch the screen, never took my eyes off the road or my hand off the wheel

Thanks for being extra cautious, but those guys are all on the shoulder. Any competent driver could've passed them safely without crossing the yellow line. Now, if one of them was over or on the white line, you'd have a valid complaint.


They were weaving over the line often enough that I didn't feel safe going past them at highway speed inside my lane. A 65mph vehicle pushes a lot of air, and the closer you are to someone the more it can affect them. There were obviously (from the picture) other people who felt the same way as I did. I'm not gonna accidentally clip a bicyclist at 65 because I'm legally in the right. I'll cross the line. I will however get upset at them for putting me into a situation where I felt I had to do that to keep them safe.
 
2012-05-03 10:14:14 PM

Pitabred: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Pitabred: Completely related to this:

i49.tinypic.com

Came across these guys one weekend north of Boulder, CO. The speed limit on that road is 65, and they just didn't care that they were forcing people over the yellow lines to give them safe distance, especially at speed.

/Checked way ahead down the road as I was coming up on them before taking the picture, to make sure I wouldn't put anyone in danger
//Crossed the yellow lines myself to give them room
///Phone was on a mount so all I had to do was touch the screen, never took my eyes off the road or my hand off the wheel

Thanks for being extra cautious, but those guys are all on the shoulder. Any competent driver could've passed them safely without crossing the yellow line. Now, if one of them was over or on the white line, you'd have a valid complaint.

They were weaving over the line often enough that I didn't feel safe going past them at highway speed inside my lane. A 65mph vehicle pushes a lot of air, and the closer you are to someone the more it can affect them. There were obviously (from the picture) other people who felt the same way as I did. I'm not gonna accidentally clip a bicyclist at 65 because I'm legally in the right. I'll cross the line. I will however get upset at them for putting me into a situation where I felt I had to do that to keep them safe.


Like I said, thanks for being extra cautious. I read your other post and have a clearer picture of the situation.

I ride as far to the right as practical, but I notice that some drivers go WAY overboard and cross the double-yellow line when they don't have to. I know they're doing it because they think they're keeping me safe, but can't help but wonder why they don't just stay in the lane and keep EVERYONE safe?

Conversely, I rode with a woman this year who was new to cycling. For some reason, she fixated on the white line and our coach was constantly telling her to move over to the right. It didn't matter how wide the shoulder was, either. I would always tell her, "Look, if you make it easy for cars to pass you, they will and there won't be any problem. But if you make it hard for them to pass you, there's going to be a problem." But she'd always ride just a foot inside the white line. It was weird.

Lastly, that pic looks like it's pretty rural, if not in the middle of nowhere. When you've been riding for a while and you're really tired, sometimes you just have brain farts and find yourself riding three-abreast and stuff like that--even if you normally try really hard to be a good citizen on the road. They look like they're doing okay in the picture, but if you say they were weaving, it could be that they're tired, too.
 
2012-05-03 10:21:35 PM

fracas: I have skimmed through this thread quickly enough that my preconceived notions about cyclists have not been challenged.

My immunity probably stems from the fact that I live close to a "mixed use" bike trail in the Seattle area.

You might suspect that cyclists, who are so concerned that they receive fair treatment on the road (where they are the slower-moving and more vulnerable population), would be extra courteous and considerate on a mixed use cyclist/pedestrian/equestrian trail. I invite you to the Seattle area to try our trails out to confirm or disconfirm that hypothesis.

/I farking hate Seattle cyclists.


Okay, so it's not just me...

/looks like my previous post had merit beyond "This is what it looks like to me."
//Greater Eastside is the same way...
 
2012-05-03 10:33:30 PM

paygun: Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm not sure what you mean by facing a bottom bracket.

I should have said facing a bottom bracket shell. Truing both sides of the shell so they are parallel to each other, and then hopefully perpendicular to the spindle so that external bearings run without any kind of bind. Just like facing bar stock in a lathe, really. This is the thing you may do anyway as a matter of course when you already have the $500 Park facing tool sitting on your bench when you're a bike shop mechanic, and something you want to skip if you're just some random guy building a bike at home.

I've heard various opinions on whether this is really necessary on Surly frames, that's why I ask. I wanted to get one more data point.


I understand now, it's not a question that has a definitive yes/no answer.
While it is something I generally always do with disc brake calipers, it really depends on how even and thick the paint is on a frame/fork.
In your case I would try installing the BB first and if there is no reason to do it, leave the frame alone.
If you find things are off, or for some reason wrong, I'd do it *lightly* You see, you have a steel frame and steel rusts, in YOUR case the paint is elemental protection (on like Al and Alloy frames) I would try to avoid casing it if you can avoid it.
If it were an Al frame my answer would maybe change. But like I said it's an unnecessary step if everything is 5x5.

Unlike f*{cking fork lawyer tabs, f{*ck those things.
 
2012-05-03 10:36:30 PM

Pitabred: Like I said... I don't mind most cyclists. I do mind the ones that do stupid crap... these guys could have easily rode single file or even two abreast and not caused traffic to slow and dodge around them, but they decided their chat was more important than their safety, other people's safety, and everyone's ability to get where they were going as relatively smoothly as possible.


They weren't doing anything illegal. YOU decided that your "right" to zoom along the road completely unimpeded at 65mph was more important than anything anyone else might be doing on the road. Do you also feel the same way about tractors, slow drivers, people broken down on the shoulder etc? Sometimes you come across something that causes you to have to slow down a bit. You don't have exclusive rights to the road.
 
2012-05-03 10:39:45 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: OgreMagi: I'm an equestrian and worked as a trail guide on a multi-use trail. From my experience, most of the people on bikes understood the need to be careful around horses. There were, of course, the douche-nuggets.

Who spoil it for everyone :-(

I used to mountain bike at a preserve that had two riding schools adjacent, so they had a lot of instructors and new riders there. One of the instructors politely, but firmly, explained to me why I should wait on the downhill side of the trail when letting a horse pass. She said that if the horse gets spooked, it'll run uphill, which is less scary for the rider than if it ran downhill. Is that true?


Running down hill on a steep incline is scary, especially when you don't have control over the animal. Going uphill is bad, but not as much.

As for the direction the horse runs, it will run away from the perceived threat, which is not necessarily uphill.
 
2012-05-03 10:42:12 PM
Wow, cyclists being douchebags...color me shocked.
 
2012-05-03 10:42:27 PM

t3knomanser: I'm a driver's worst nightmare: a cyclist that uses a lane, signals turns, and obeys traffic signals.

MWAHAHAHAHA.


When you have to pay for a bike registration sticker and carry insurance, I'll care. You being a less-than-asshat cyclist just means you're less likely to get knocked the fark off your bike by some driver who's paid for the privilege of using the road.

CSB TIME!

Driving down Yonge St in toronto one fine summer day, doin about 30kph. Some asshat bike courier jumps off the sidewalk directly in front of my car, with less than 5 feet of space for me to attempt to stop. I *did* attempt to stop, but physics being the heartless and cruel biatch she is carried my car forward another 20 or so feet. He went over my hood and roof, the bike went under my wheels, both ended up behind me after I stopped. Biker douche jumped up screaming that he was gonna sue my ass, blah blah blah. I pulled out my cellphone and dialed 9-1-1 for him and handed it to him to make the call while I got the names of a few of the dozens of people that saw him pull an incredibly stupid bonehead move. He got all flustered and tossed the phone back at me, still screaming obscenities. I pulled my business card out, wrote my plate # on it and gave it to him. I got back in my car and drove off. Never got a call, never heard from the police, from the bike courier, nobody.

/CSB

So, fark cyclists. There are some who follow the rules and don't go out of their way to be raging c0ckmongers, but they are few and far between. The majority (that I've encountered) are pretentious douchebags and ignorant asshats.
 
2012-05-03 10:42:39 PM

Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.


Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.
 
2012-05-03 10:45:00 PM

ha-ha-guy: sharpie_69: ha-ha-guy: yes I'll coast the stop signs if there are no cars (there is excellent visibility, they are four way stops, and there are rarely any cars on the street).


Do you do this with your car as well? Why do you feel bikes are exempt from the rules on 4-way, because the three other ways are going to stop?

Actually my state and others have laws on the book that allow stop signs to be treated as yield signs if you are on a bike and have clear visibility/there is no traffic. Likely due to the fact my effective stopping distance is about two feet max at the speed I'm moving when coasting the stop sign.


Here's a hint. If you bicyclists only used them as yield signs when you were supposed to (not impeding others), nobody would be complaining about it
 
2012-05-03 10:45:35 PM

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Motor cops in Woodside, CA, do a fine job of handing out tickets to cyclists, thanks. If you're mountain biking on publicly managed wilderness or park land, the rangers have radar guns and will sit at the bottom of steep trails to give you speeding tickets for exceeding the unposted* 15 MPH speed limit, too.

* Technically, it's usually mentioned on the general info signs at trailheads.

yeah... but the rangers have to *catch you* before they can ticket you ;)
and there are so many outlets from the various parks, hell you can get from skylive to tunitas creek in a few places if you know what you are doing ;)

Also do you ride to work?
Want a commute partner?

I'd never run from a ranger, but I also keep it sane on the trails. If I wanted to go as fast as I wanted, I'd race. MTBing is a fun way to get great exercise, but there are other people on the trail, so I give them their space, too.

As for commuting, I live way south of your commute. Gonna do the Tour de Cure up near you, though. 75km route this time because the 120km route put some serious hurt on me last year. Starting with King's Mtn, riding 40 miles around Pescadero and the coast, then ending with Tunitas Creek is just plain mean.


you know what I looked at the 120k route, and it was already so close to the rides I do for fun,, and iono who I could get to fulfill my obligations that I'll probably
head out that day, maybe on some of those roads, but I won't be registered, I won't use the feed stations and I won't make a nuisance of myself.
I simply like seeing that many cyclists, and I may do Tunitas just to see who is fast these days. =P
 
2012-05-03 10:45:42 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: umad: fireclown: PeterPipersPickledPecker: The only people more righteously indignant than Prius owners are bicyclists.

[i55.tinypic.com image 500x375]

Bite my shiny Titanium frame again.
/stupid tinypic.

I bet you're a vegan too.

And he composts.


But does he pocket-mulch?
 
2012-05-03 10:46:14 PM

BadJazz: AngryJailhouseFistfark: umad: fireclown: PeterPipersPickledPecker: The only people more righteously indignant than Prius owners are bicyclists.

[i55.tinypic.com image 500x375]

Bite my shiny Titanium frame again.
/stupid tinypic.

I bet you're a vegan too.

And he composts.

But does he pocket-mulch?



I vermicompost.
 
2012-05-03 10:47:54 PM

ha-ha-guy: IamAwake: //wish the "critital mass" tards hadn't ruined it for everyone else

Also the people with brakeless fixies. The whole no breaks and enforced high spin on descent just seems like a bad idea. I swear some of them run the lights/act like assholes not because they want to but because they can't stop.

I had one trying to draft me the other day, so I took a turn nice and hard. Since I was on a free wheel I could bring my inside pedal up and lean the bike over further. He tried to follow suit and dumped his ass when the inside pedal hit the pavement.


saw some hipster douche on a lime green and hot pink fixie. swear to fark the handlebars on this thing were only about 8" wide. like, his fists were almost touching they were so close to gether. How the hell can you safely control a bicycle like that?!?
 
2012-05-03 10:47:59 PM
Unrelated fun, on my CRT monitor is a sticker that says "My other bike is a bike"

Also, razor blades again today! F*CK
Second time this week adn second time my life.
The two incidents were 30 miles from each other, and this one cut the tire damn near in half, 1 cm on the left and 2 cm on the right short of a full true slice in half.
God damn!

There were at least 3 in the street (that I could find) I grabbed em adn tossed em on the sidewalk.
 
2012-05-03 10:49:31 PM

Technoir: You being a less-than-asshat cyclist just means you're less likely to get knocked the fark off your bike by some driver who's paid for the privilege of using the road.


Your vehicle registration and insurance doesn't pay for the roads. Cyclist's property, income and sales taxes do, though.
 
2012-05-03 10:53:20 PM

Technoir: saw some hipster douche on a lime green and hot pink fixie. swear to fark the handlebars on this thing were only about 8" wide. like, his fists were almost touching they were so close to gether. How the hell can you safely control a bicycle like that?!?


fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use. Someone sold some hipsters a load of goods and they haven't wised up yet.
 
2012-05-03 11:00:43 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.

Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.


If that is the case then cyclists should ensure that there is 3' of space between them and the white line, where that is feasible. That means that in the picture posted those three cyclists are being douchebags.
 
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