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2012-05-04 12:39:41 PM  

Pitabred: It's a nice wide shoulder, but the vehicle lane isn't quite wide enough to give them a safe (3'+) buffer when passing them, especially going 65MPH.


Looks like a 14 foot wide lane to me. For most cars, assuming the bicycle's handlebars are right over the line (even the leftmost bike is well right of the line), that would mean with the tires flush with the centerline, the clearance between the bike and the right side of the car is enough to sling another whole car with a few inches to spare. That said, the 3' rule is a minimum, more room is appreciated. Even without crossing the centerline like that pickup did, there's still plenty of room for a safe pass, even taking into account the wind wake.

You want crazy, go ride a state highway in Oregon. 6' bicycle lanes immediately against 12' general access lanes and 55 mph limits (with traffic doing 25+ over the limit) are common.
 
2012-05-04 12:40:48 PM  

CognaciousThunk: /I ride my $100 bike at the park, fewer assholes. Not totally avoided, but fewer of them.


Single use bikes suck for maintainability. Might as well just rent given the lifespan and the cost.
 
2012-05-04 12:44:28 PM  

fireclown: Technoir: saw some hipster douche on a lime green and hot pink fixie. swear to fark the handlebars on this thing were only about 8" wide. like, his fists were almost touching they were so close to gether. How the hell can you safely control a bicycle like that?!?

fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use. Someone sold some hipsters a load of goods and they haven't wised up yet.


And there's the whole roadworthiness issue; most states don't allow 'em on the road at all without an independent brake, especially the not-flat states.
 
2012-05-04 12:49:58 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: And 9.8 times out of 10, they were simply totally oblivious to their errors. I feel that I am making the roads much safer this way. And it also improves cycling/motorist relations.


I wish they'd start texturing the lane lines again for that reason. I know the road guys go "but but wobble!" to which I say "pick a farking lane and deal with it and get wider more stable tires when you're not on the velodrome."
 
2012-05-04 12:51:44 PM  

starsrift: I can't even count the number of times I've nearly been run down by an idiot making a left turn while walking across an intersection with the cross-now sign light and no left-turn arrow lit on the intersection (here, no left-turn arrow indicates a left-turn when safe, yield to oncoming traffic... and, uh, farking pedestrians that are crossing the street you want to turn onto).


I hate how the signals in Oregon will turn flashing yellow arrow when the crosswalk has the lunar light. West coast drivers don't bother to check the crosswalk, so having the conflicting movement permitted across the crosswalk is a potentially lethal engineering flaw.
 
2012-05-04 12:52:47 PM  

Silly Jesus: foxbrook78: Silly Jesus: foxbrook78: Silly Jesus: foxbrook78: cuzsis: foxbrook78:

Um...if the car is stopped at a red light, why are ...

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Until then, no more complaining about getting hit by doors.

Hmm... its legal for a bike to pass a car on the right in Massachusetts.

Again, I will repeat because I wrote a lot of words and you may not be able to read them all:

I can't promise to have never broken a traffic law, but I have never been anywhere near breaking a traffic law when involved in a bicycle/vehicle accident. It was the fault of motorists who did not bother to see a bright fluorescent farking yellow person in their road.

Ah, my apologies if it is not illegal there. It's illegal in my state and two others that I know of off hand.

I will pass slow cars on the left when legal and practicable, particularly since an abnormally slow car may suddenly pull to the right across the white line without signalling. Using the left lane to pass cars on a 2x2 lane road seems to bother motorists though. The bottom line is most don't want bikes anywhere near them. They seem to think that if you are on the road then you are automatically in their way, even if you aren't. That having to cope with your presence is somehow an insurmountable burden.

Do you enjoy walkers on a bike path? Do they kind of annoy you even though dodging them isn't an insurmountable burden? That's how drivers feel about bikes.


Back in my original post I mention not using the bike path due to all of the pedestrians and that are shambling to the T-station like zombies... I don't think I agree with your analogy, There could be 100-200 pedestrians per mile on that thing, texting, unpredictable little kids, dog walkers with 10 ft leashes, people very frequently 2-3 abreast. I drive a car too, lets not forget that. Lately I drive 100X more miles than I ride. The inconvenience per mile of bike path versus cyclist in the street is not comparable. I can't apologize for every cyclist that is an asshole, but I ride as safely as possible in a dangerous place to ride. Multi-use paths in urban areas with high pedestrian traffic are not appropriate for me going 20+mph, I don't bother.
 
2012-05-04 12:55:40 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Maybe it's different where you live, but in CA, if you're holding up a large group of motorists, even if you're in a car, you have to pull over where it's safe and let them pass. The problem is, most people are unaware of this law and it's very hard to enforce.


It's the same everywhere, and it's not just when there's motorists. You still need a safe place to pull out, and that requires a hard shoulder. California's like most states: You can't just drive off the road wherever it's convenient for you, you have to stay on the paved part of the right of way.
 
2012-05-04 01:09:21 PM  
Arrgghhh! Cyclists make me so angry! How dare they go around in their tight clothing mocking my flabby thighs! They're always getting in the way of me and my KFC as I try to get home for TV! And, the clothes are just too revealing. I just get a hard on looking at their bodies, and I start to question my sexual orientation. Why can't they drive gas-guzzling, pollution machines like the rest of us? What is wrong with THEM!?! Each and every person driving a car is the norm. Cyclists at retarded gay space Nazi muslim albino freaks!
 
2012-05-04 01:13:34 PM  

The First Four Black Sabbath Albums: Arrgghhh! Cyclists make me so angry! How dare they go around in their tight clothing mocking my flabby thighs! They're always getting in the way of me and my KFC as I try to get home for TV! And, the clothes are just too revealing. I just get a hard on looking at their bodies, and I start to question my sexual orientation. Why can't they drive gas-guzzling, pollution machines like the rest of us? What is wrong with THEM!?! Each and every person driving a car is the norm. Cyclists at retarded gay space Nazi muslim albino freaks!


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2012-05-04 01:20:39 PM  

foxbrook78: I don't think I agree with your analogy, There could be 100-200 pedestrians per mile on that thing, texting, unpredictable little kids, dog walkers with 10 ft leashes, people very frequently 2-3 abreast. I drive a car too, lets not forget that. Lately I drive 100X more miles than I ride. The inconvenience per mile of bike path versus cyclist in the street is not comparable.


lol

That hyperbole pulled straight from your ass is extremely convincing. It doesn't appear at all like you are saying "It is worse when it happens to me."
 
2012-05-04 01:35:16 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Baloo Uriza: Tawnos: Magnanimous_J: When I'm on my motorcycle and see cyclists doing this, I love to either blast past them a foot away or line up my muffler with their fork and just cruise there for a mile or so, riding one gear too low.

Of course you do, you're a self-important Seattle douchebag :)

Also known as "Californian." Seriously, Portland and Seattle might as well be in Orange County.

Except for Orange County being deep red, and not so much Portland and Seattle.


I lived in Irvine and Costa Mesa before moving up here. Most of the roads are more clear here, but the drivers seem to generally be slow and stupid. About the only real difference in the red/blue thing is car bumper stickers. In SoCal, if you saw a beat up car driving down the street with a ton of stickers, it was a super-liberal person who had plastered their hunkajunk about 95% of the time. Up here, it's closer to 50/50, with a lot of people still having Rossi stickers.
 
2012-05-04 01:47:28 PM  

umad: foxbrook78: I don't think I agree with your analogy, There could be 100-200 pedestrians per mile on that thing, texting, unpredictable little kids, dog walkers with 10 ft leashes, people very frequently 2-3 abreast. I drive a car too, lets not forget that. Lately I drive 100X more miles than I ride. The inconvenience per mile of bike path versus cyclist in the street is not comparable.

lol

That hyperbole pulled straight from your ass is extremely convincing. It doesn't appear at all like you are saying "It is worse when it happens to me."


I'll try again: Speaking specifically about the commute route I have been referring to, If I were to take the bike path for 2/3 of it, it would take me ca. 40 minutes to safely navigate to work using it as part of my route with all of the pedestrians etc.

If I take the street it takes 20+ minutes, but it does not take a single vehicle I encounter any longer to reach their destination. In the rare occasion where they may slow to wait and then pass me, that time loss is equalized (reset) by the all too frequent traffic lights. Add the cumulative delay of zero net minutes per cyclist along the route up for the 10-20 cyclists en route at the same time as me and you arrive at a simple conclusion:

It IS worse when it happens to me.... I am actually delayed by pedestrians, the vehicles are not actually delayed by me.

Thanks for the crass summary, it sounds like you almost get it.
 
2012-05-04 01:50:29 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Silly Jesus: I believe you. In my state a bicycle is defined as a vehicle. No vehicles allowed on the sidewalks, so that includes bikes. Statewide.

him and buner have a hard-on for hating cyclists. The argument you are getting into isn't worth it.


lulz

first off... not even arguing, yet you already dismiss everything i may say... so who has a hard on for hating who?

also: in my city, a bike is also defined as a vehicle (which is what leads to so many confrontations... well that and the overall douche bag level of most riders here) but even defined as a vehicle, they are allowed on sidewalks (outside of the city center)

oooo so much hate pouring out right there. how can you stand it??
 
2012-05-04 01:53:27 PM  

Silly Jesus: 1. I have NEVER seen a bicycle pull over to let the built up traffic go by.
2. Yes, by sheer number more motorists are guilty of holding others up, but by the very nature of a bicycle and its inherent slow speed relative to vehicles, every single bicycle does this to some degree unless there is a bike lane.

I, and most others that I know that share my annoyance with road bikers (many of us mountain bikers), hate the mentality of "I want to ride my bicycle to work/play, so to hell with the fact that EVERYONE around me has to significantly adjust their driving in order for me to do so." I don't understand that mentality, but I guess it's the American way.


I see bicyclists move over ALL THE TIME when there is space to do so. Perhaps there is no space to do so in your scenario? I don't know. What's more, I don't care, because the chances that I am the cyclist you're talking about is virtually zero.

And if you really are a mountain biker, chances are every hiker and equestrian around you has to significantly adjust the way they enjoy trails in order to accommodate your hobby. If you don't understand that mentality, you never graduated from kindergarten, where they teach kids how to share things.
 
2012-05-04 01:58:58 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Unrelated fun, on my CRT monitor is a sticker that says "My other bike is a bike"

Also, razor blades again today! F*CK
Second time this week adn second time my life.
The two incidents were 30 miles from each other, and this one cut the tire damn near in half, 1 cm on the left and 2 cm on the right short of a full true slice in half.
God damn!

There were at least 3 in the street (that I could find) I grabbed em adn tossed em on the sidewalk.


you really are that big of a douche aren't you?? un farking real.

you are the premier example of why people can't stand bikers on the road.

entitlement til you choke on it and that aint even good enough... no.

you have to sabotage & booby trap sidewalks too for those terrible pedestrians.

you are a piece of work sir.

& i doubt you even realize what a supreme turd you are & can't even fathom what i'm on about.

priceless.
 
2012-05-04 01:59:02 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Baloo Uriza: Magnanimous_J: Tawnos: The_Sponge: 2) The ones who really piss me off are the bicyclists who decide that it's a good idea to ride two abreast instead of single file. Get out of the road, assholes.

If the road has two lanes in each direction without a wide shoulder, doing this is much safer than single file. It gets assholes to actually switch lanes rather than barely moving over and buzzing you.

When I'm on my motorcycle and see cyclists doing this, I love to either blast past them a foot away or line up my muffler with their fork and just cruise there for a mile or so, riding one gear too low.

I hope you spook one into swerving in front of you; road rash and some broken bones would do you some good.

You are too kind, I hope he crashes and burns while and because of doing this stupid evil shiat.


Motorcycles do not work that way. Mufflers are toward the rear of the bike. In some bikes, they are directly beneath the center, but still have a rearward-facing exhaust. The cyclist would have to accelerate ahead of the motorcycle and intentionally swerve into its path to create an incident. And then, the physics involved would not favor the cyclist.
 
2012-05-04 02:01:04 PM  

whatshisname: Pitabred: Like I said... I don't mind most cyclists. I do mind the ones that do stupid crap... these guys could have easily rode single file or even two abreast and not caused traffic to slow and dodge around them, but they decided their chat was more important than their safety, other people's safety, and everyone's ability to get where they were going as relatively smoothly as possible.

They weren't doing anything illegal. YOU decided that your "right" to zoom along the road completely unimpeded at 65mph was more important than anything anyone else might be doing on the road. Do you also feel the same way about tractors, slow drivers, people broken down on the shoulder etc? Sometimes you come across something that causes you to have to slow down a bit. You don't have exclusive rights to the road.


They actually were. According to the bicycling statutes here in Colorado it's illegal to ride more than 2 abreast. Thanks for playing, though.

And people broken down on the shoulder generally pull as far to the right as possible. They don't stick out into the lane. If it's not a choice, I get it. Hell, if these cyclists had to pass a broken down car by coming into the main vehicle lane, I'd have slowed traffic with my blinkers for them. shiat happens. But this was purely a choice by the cyclists, that their wanting to ride three abreast was more important than everyone else's right to get to where they wanted to go in a safe and timely manner. Seriously... how is that not hard to get? If you're a douchebag, I'll call you a douchebag. If you don't have any other choice, you get a pass. No issues. But then again, you sound like a douchebag, so you see selfish assholes as "normal" behavior since they're in your bicycling club, right?

I'm not asking them to not ride their bikes. I'm asking them to have consideration for the other people on the road, too. Just like you claim to be asking, but failing because you're unable to understand who's the asshole here.
 
2012-05-04 02:12:04 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Silly Jesus: 1. I have NEVER seen a bicycle pull over to let the built up traffic go by.
2. Yes, by sheer number more motorists are guilty of holding others up, but by the very nature of a bicycle and its inherent slow speed relative to vehicles, every single bicycle does this to some degree unless there is a bike lane.

I, and most others that I know that share my annoyance with road bikers (many of us mountain bikers), hate the mentality of "I want to ride my bicycle to work/play, so to hell with the fact that EVERYONE around me has to significantly adjust their driving in order for me to do so." I don't understand that mentality, but I guess it's the American way.

I see bicyclists move over ALL THE TIME when there is space to do so. Perhaps there is no space to do so in your scenario? I don't know. What's more, I don't care, because the chances that I am the cyclist you're talking about is virtually zero.

And if you really are a mountain biker, chances are every hiker and equestrian around you has to significantly adjust the way they enjoy trails in order to accommodate your hobby. If you don't understand that mentality, you never graduated from kindergarten, where they teach kids how to share things.


The trails I ride are exclusively mountain bikers. And I didn't mean just move over, I meant move out of the roadway as it was otherwise impossible to pass.
 
2012-05-04 02:17:17 PM  

GAT_00: I can't remember the last time I saw a bike stop at an intersection when there wasn't traffic.


Back during a ride in 2003, I felt that my frame pump might be coming loose during a downhill. So at the bottom the light was red, and even though there wasn't any traffic coming from the sides, I stopped at the light to check the pump and wait for the light to turn green. It felt really weird doing that somehow. Can't say I've done that since.
 
2012-05-04 02:19:41 PM  

sharpie_69: Uhh, are brakes an unnecessary complication as well? I'll never understand why anyone would ride a fixie on the road, you need to STOP you know. I completely understand it in a velodrome event.

/Unless you mean fixie == no gears, but you can coast and have brakes -- then nevermind.


I agree, brakeless on the street is dumb.

Fixie/fixed gear - you can't coast, if the wheels are moving the pedals are moving.
Single speed - no gears, but you can coast

Track bikes are brakeless because riding in a pack, shoulder to shoulder, nose to tail, if one guy stops everybody crashes. On the track, "braking" is pushing backwards on the pedals.
 
2012-05-04 02:28:05 PM  

foxbrook78: I will pass slow cars on the left when legal and practicable, particularly since an abnormally slow car may suddenly pull to the right across the white line without signalling. Using the left lane to pass cars on a 2x2 lane road seems to bother motorists though. The bottom line is most don't want bikes anywhere near them. They seem to think that if you are on the road then you are automatically in their way, even if you aren't. That having to cope with your presence is somehow an insurmountable burden.


I think the problem behind that is that a lot of people on the road have no idea how far 4' of safe clearance is. Either they have no idea how to navigate in three-dimensional space or they drive vehicles that have such poor lateral visibility that they can't accurately judge distances.

I am personally glad and very grateful that the vast majority of them err on the side of safety and give me a much wider berth than necessary, but I think their annoyance is the result of encountering bicyclists on the road and not being confident in their ability to judge the safe distance necessary to get around them. That would make me uncomfortable, too.

Then there's the fact that no cyclist is perfect--and many don't even try. As good as I try to be, I've pulled up at a stop light while riding with friends, put a foot down and started chatting. Then, a car pulls up behind us who wants to make a right turn and I realize, "Oh shiat, I'm in his way," and I have to move over. But during the five seconds it takes to rectify the situation, the driver is probably thinking, "these asshole cyclists think they own the whole damned road!"

You can be a perfect, law-abiding cyclist 99.9% of the time, but during that 0.1% when you have a brain fart and do something wrong, that's all drivers remember.
 
2012-05-04 02:32:46 PM  

sharpie_69: jaytkay: fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.

If you're riding around Flatland, gears are an unnecessary complication.

/ Chicagoan
// On my commute the only things remotely like (very small) hills are bridges
/// I have a geared bike & a fixie, they're both a lot of fun


Uhh, are brakes an unnecessary complication as well? I'll never understand why anyone would ride a fixie on the road, you need to STOP you know. I completely understand it in a velodrome event.

/Unless you mean fixie == no gears, but you can coast and have brakes -- then nevermind.


Fixies have several advantages for messengers.
First and most obvious, hard to steal and easy to lock up.
Second, very light. a messengers daily riding requires lot sof quick sprints.
Third, and to answer your question, a fixie can stop in the rain. something normal road bikes struggle with. Because you are using your legs and rubber to decelerate and stop, the rain on the rims doesn't really effect you. Yes, stopping in the rain is THE primary reason to ride a fixie.
Incidentally fixies are awful for your knees and I personally can't see justifying using one outside of messengers and track racers.
 
2012-05-04 02:36:04 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Unrelated fun, on my CRT monitor is a sticker that says "My other bike is a bike"

Also, razor blades again today! F*CK
Second time this week adn second time my life.
The two incidents were 30 miles from each other, and this one cut the tire damn near in half, 1 cm on the left and 2 cm on the right short of a full true slice in half.
God damn!

There were at least 3 in the street (that I could find) I grabbed em adn tossed em on the sidewalk.


Sorry, but I have to call you out for tossing them on the sidewalk. That is, in my opinion, much worse than leaving them in the road for cyclists to run over. The only reason I say this is because of dogs and small children.
 
2012-05-04 02:37:00 PM  

Silly Jesus: Do you enjoy walkers on a bike path? Do they kind of annoy you even though dodging them isn't an insurmountable burden? That's how drivers feel about bikes.


No. I say, "on your left," and they either move to the right and thank me for not scaring the shiat out of them, or they don't move. Either way, I go around them get on with my life. But if I'm on a bike path, I expect walkers, dogs on leashes, dogs off leashes, herds of parents pushing baby strollers blocking the entire path, etc. Oh, and other cyclists. Drivers--and I drive a car, too--should expect to see bicyclists on the road and know how to deal with them safely.
 
2012-05-04 02:38:23 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: sharpie_69: jaytkay: fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.

If you're riding around Flatland, gears are an unnecessary complication.

/ Chicagoan
// On my commute the only things remotely like (very small) hills are bridges
/// I have a geared bike & a fixie, they're both a lot of fun


Uhh, are brakes an unnecessary complication as well? I'll never understand why anyone would ride a fixie on the road, you need to STOP you know. I completely understand it in a velodrome event.

/Unless you mean fixie == no gears, but you can coast and have brakes -- then nevermind.

Fixies have several advantages for messengers.
First and most obvious, hard to steal and easy to lock up.
Second, very light. a messengers daily riding requires lot sof quick sprints.
Third, and to answer your question, a fixie can stop in the rain. something normal road bikes struggle with. Because you are using your legs and rubber to decelerate and stop, the rain on the rims doesn't really effect you. Yes, stopping in the rain is THE primary reason to ride a fixie.
Incidentally fixies are awful for your knees and I personally can't see justifying using one outside of messengers and track racers.


I think that Chicago law requires a brake on all bikes, including fixies, being it a coaster or rim brake.
 
2012-05-04 02:40:22 PM  

Tawnos: Uchiha_Cycliste: Baloo Uriza: Tawnos: Magnanimous_J: When I'm on my motorcycle and see cyclists doing this, I love to either blast past them a foot away or line up my muffler with their fork and just cruise there for a mile or so, riding one gear too low.

Of course you do, you're a self-important Seattle douchebag :)

Also known as "Californian." Seriously, Portland and Seattle might as well be in Orange County.

Except for Orange County being deep red, and not so much Portland and Seattle.


...you don't know Portland or Seattle very well. Orange County is at least honest about it's level of derp.

I lived in Irvine and Costa Mesa before moving up here. Most of the roads are more clear here, but the drivers seem to generally be slow and stupid.

Thanks for being part of the problem. Guess where the bad drivers came to the northwest from?
 
2012-05-04 02:41:09 PM  

inner ted: Uchiha_Cycliste: Unrelated fun, on my CRT monitor is a sticker that says "My other bike is a bike"

Also, razor blades again today! F*CK
Second time this week adn second time my life.
The two incidents were 30 miles from each other, and this one cut the tire damn near in half, 1 cm on the left and 2 cm on the right short of a full true slice in half.
God damn!

There were at least 3 in the street (that I could find) I grabbed em adn tossed em on the sidewalk.

you really are that big of a douche aren't you?? un farking real.

you are the premier example of why people can't stand bikers on the road.

entitlement til you choke on it and that aint even good enough... no.

you have to sabotage & booby trap sidewalks too for those terrible pedestrians.

you are a piece of work sir.

& i doubt you even realize what a supreme turd you are & can't even fathom what i'm on about.

priceless.


What the f*ck is wrong with you?
Seriously, are you literally retarded? Living on disability so that you are detached from the general public.
Is fark your only interaction with adults?
 
2012-05-04 02:41:14 PM  

foxbrook78: Multi-use paths in urban areas with high pedestrian traffic are not appropriate for me going 20+mph, I don't bother.


Speed limits on bike paths around here (Northern CA) are 15 MPH. So yeah, if you want to go faster than that for a reasonable amount of time in my neck 'o the woods, you need to be on a road.
 
2012-05-04 02:41:50 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Baloo Uriza: Magnanimous_J: Tawnos: The_Sponge: 2) The ones who really piss me off are the bicyclists who decide that it's a good idea to ride two abreast instead of single file. Get out of the road, assholes.

If the road has two lanes in each direction without a wide shoulder, doing this is much safer than single file. It gets assholes to actually switch lanes rather than barely moving over and buzzing you.

When I'm on my motorcycle and see cyclists doing this, I love to either blast past them a foot away or line up my muffler with their fork and just cruise there for a mile or so, riding one gear too low.

I hope you spook one into swerving in front of you; road rash and some broken bones would do you some good.

You are too kind, I hope he crashes and burns while and because of doing this stupid evil shiat.

Motorcycles do not work that way. Mufflers are toward the rear of the bike. In some bikes, they are directly beneath the center, but still have a rearward-facing exhaust. The cyclist would have to accelerate ahead of the motorcycle and intentionally swerve into its path to create an incident. And then, the physics involved would not favor the cyclist.


Why responding to me?
 
2012-05-04 02:44:17 PM  

Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: Unrelated fun, on my CRT monitor is a sticker that says "My other bike is a bike"

Also, razor blades again today! F*CK
Second time this week adn second time my life.
The two incidents were 30 miles from each other, and this one cut the tire damn near in half, 1 cm on the left and 2 cm on the right short of a full true slice in half.
God damn!

There were at least 3 in the street (that I could find) I grabbed em adn tossed em on the sidewalk.

Sorry, but I have to call you out for tossing them on the sidewalk. That is, in my opinion, much worse than leaving them in the road for cyclists to run over. The only reason I say this is because of dogs and small children.


I got home and called the police.
didn't know what else to do, I wasn't keen on carrying them, that would inevitably leave me cut up. and I can assure you this particular sidewalk really doesn't see any child and animal traffic. I didn't want other cyclists having the same problem, there wasn't a trashcan within a half mile of me, and I now had to half carry my bike home. this was the best option. Had I *not* notified the authorities I could see your point.
 
2012-05-04 02:44:30 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Maybe it's different where you live, but in CA, if you're holding up a large group of motorists, even if you're in a car, you have to pull over where it's safe and let them pass. The problem is, most people are unaware of this law and it's very hard to enforce.

It's the same everywhere, and it's not just when there's motorists. You still need a safe place to pull out, and that requires a hard shoulder. California's like most states: You can't just drive off the road wherever it's convenient for you, you have to stay on the paved part of the right of way.


Trudat. That's why I said, "...where it's safe." :-)

We have turnout lanes, but if the person driving slowly is more interested in what a redwood tree looks like than what a "Turnout -- 1/4 mile" sign looks like, you get people who don't use them the way the engineers intended.
 
2012-05-04 02:45:42 PM  

Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: sharpie_69: jaytkay: fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.

If you're riding around Flatland, gears are an unnecessary complication.

/ Chicagoan
// On my commute the only things remotely like (very small) hills are bridges
/// I have a geared bike & a fixie, they're both a lot of fun


Uhh, are brakes an unnecessary complication as well? I'll never understand why anyone would ride a fixie on the road, you need to STOP you know. I completely understand it in a velodrome event.

/Unless you mean fixie == no gears, but you can coast and have brakes -- then nevermind.

Fixies have several advantages for messengers.
First and most obvious, hard to steal and easy to lock up.
Second, very light. a messengers daily riding requires lot sof quick sprints.
Third, and to answer your question, a fixie can stop in the rain. something normal road bikes struggle with. Because you are using your legs and rubber to decelerate and stop, the rain on the rims doesn't really effect you. Yes, stopping in the rain is THE primary reason to ride a fixie.
Incidentally fixies are awful for your knees and I personally can't see justifying using one outside of messengers and track racers.

I think that Chicago law requires a brake on all bikes, including fixies, being it a coaster or rim brake.


Don't know. Fixies can still have a brake of course, but it won't have any efficacy in the rain.
Anyways, I was trying to explain why a fixie can be an advantage, since most folks, intuitively just see it as silly and dangerous.
 
2012-05-04 02:50:34 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: We have turnout lanes, but if the person driving slowly is more interested in what a redwood tree looks like than what a "Turnout -- 1/4 mile" sign looks like, you get people who don't use them the way the engineers intended.


everythingmustgo.org
 
2012-05-04 03:01:52 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Baloo Uriza: Magnanimous_J: Tawnos: The_Sponge: 2) The ones who really piss me off are the bicyclists who decide that it's a good idea to ride two abreast instead of single file. Get out of the road, assholes.

If the road has two lanes in each direction without a wide shoulder, doing this is much safer than single file. It gets assholes to actually switch lanes rather than barely moving over and buzzing you.

When I'm on my motorcycle and see cyclists doing this, I love to either blast past them a foot away or line up my muffler with their fork and just cruise there for a mile or so, riding one gear too low.

I hope you spook one into swerving in front of you; road rash and some broken bones would do you some good.

You are too kind, I hope he crashes and burns while and because of doing this stupid evil shiat.

Motorcycles do not work that way. Mufflers are toward the rear of the bike. In some bikes, they are directly beneath the center, but still have a rearward-facing exhaust. The cyclist would have to accelerate ahead of the motorcycle and intentionally swerve into its path to create an incident. And then, the physics involved would not favor the cyclist.

Why responding to me?


The longer replies are getting frigged up in Firefox for me, It was chopping out part of them and I almost replied to myself the way it set it up, I notice before i hit submit... not sure why.
 
2012-05-04 03:09:25 PM  

Silly Jesus: The trails I ride are exclusively mountain bikers. And I didn't mean just move over, I meant move out of the roadway as it was otherwise impossible to pass.


A) You are fortunate to live in an area where mountain bikers have exclusive trail access. Out here, we have to share multi-use trails--and we have to fight to maintain equal access. Many trails have been closed to mountain bikers due to complaints. That's why, for a few years, I belonged to this organization.

B) When two parties think the other should give up his/her rights, I'm always going to back the person who has the law on their side. If the cyclist has an opportunity to move over and doesn't, I'm with the drivers. If the drivers expect the cyclist to get completely off the road so they can pass, I'm with the cyclist.
 
2012-05-04 03:10:41 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: sharpie_69: jaytkay: fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.

If you're riding around Flatland, gears are an unnecessary complication.

/ Chicagoan
// On my commute the only things remotely like (very small) hills are bridges
/// I have a geared bike & a fixie, they're both a lot of fun


Uhh, are brakes an unnecessary complication as well? I'll never understand why anyone would ride a fixie on the road, you need to STOP you know. I completely understand it in a velodrome event.

/Unless you mean fixie == no gears, but you can coast and have brakes -- then nevermind.

Fixies have several advantages for messengers.
First and most obvious, hard to steal and easy to lock up.
Second, very light. a messengers daily riding requires lot sof quick sprints.
Third, and to answer your question, a fixie can stop in the rain. something normal road bikes struggle with. Because you are using your legs and rubber to decelerate and stop, the rain on the rims doesn't really effect you. Yes, stopping in the rain is THE primary reason to ride a fixie.
Incidentally fixies are awful for your knees and I personally can't see justifying using one outside of messengers and track racers.

I think that Chicago law requires a brake on all bikes, including fixies, being it a coaster or rim brake.

Don't know. Fixies can still have a brake of course, but it won't have any efficacy in the rain.
Anyways, I was trying to explain why a fixie can be an advantage, since most folks, intuitively just see it as silly and dangerous.


I would have put them on the side of the road, in the gutter.
 
2012-05-04 03:12:13 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Thanks for being part of the problem. Guess where the bad drivers came to the northwest from?


Another country? Or they're native.

Because any time I saw WA plates back home (Palm Springs area), you knew it was likely to be a "5 miles under the speed limit and oblivious to everything" driver.

Hell, we even have ads up here that comment on the drivers up here.
 
2012-05-04 03:16:07 PM  

Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: sharpie_69: jaytkay: fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.

If you're riding around Flatland, gears are an unnecessary complication.

/ Chicagoan
// On my commute the only things remotely like (very small) hills are bridges
/// I have a geared bike & a fixie, they're both a lot of fun


Uhh, are brakes an unnecessary complication as well? I'll never understand why anyone would ride a fixie on the road, you need to STOP you know. I completely understand it in a velodrome event.

/Unless you mean fixie == no gears, but you can coast and have brakes -- then nevermind.

Fixies have several advantages for messengers.
First and most obvious, hard to steal and easy to lock up.
Second, very light. a messengers daily riding requires lot sof quick sprints.
Third, and to answer your question, a fixie can stop in the rain. something normal road bikes struggle with. Because you are using your legs and rubber to decelerate and stop, the rain on the rims doesn't really effect you. Yes, stopping in the rain is THE primary reason to ride a fixie.
Incidentally fixies are awful for your knees and I personally can't see justifying using one outside of messengers and track racers.

I think that Chicago law requires a brake on all bikes, including fixies, being it a coaster or rim brake.

Don't know. Fixies can still have a brake of course, but it won't have any efficacy in the rain.
Anyways, I was trying to explain why a fixie can be an advantage, since most folks, intuitively just see it as silly and dangerous.

I would have put them on the side of the road, in the gutter.


No gutter, it was RIGHT after the tracks. Honestly, I thought I did the best thing for everyone. There are very few peds there (mostly winos on their way for their next fix) and at that they are doubtful walking on the curb, damn near in the street. At that spot the sidewalk and road blur a little bit, only separated by the fact one is concrete and the other asphalt. It wasn't a situation that had a great solution. =/
 
2012-05-04 03:16:11 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: inner ted: Uchiha_Cycliste: Unrelated fun, on my CRT monitor is a sticker that says "My other bike is a bike"

Also, razor blades again today! F*CK
Second time this week adn second time my life.
The two incidents were 30 miles from each other, and this one cut the tire damn near in half, 1 cm on the left and 2 cm on the right short of a full true slice in half.
God damn!

There were at least 3 in the street (that I could find) I grabbed em adn tossed em on the sidewalk.

you really are that big of a douche aren't you?? un farking real.

you are the premier example of why people can't stand bikers on the road.

entitlement til you choke on it and that aint even good enough... no.

you have to sabotage & booby trap sidewalks too for those terrible pedestrians.

you are a piece of work sir.

& i doubt you even realize what a supreme turd you are & can't even fathom what i'm on about.

priceless.

What the f*ck is wrong with you?
Seriously, are you literally retarded? Living on disability so that you are detached from the general public.
Is fark your only interaction with adults?



first off: goddam LOL - are YOU supposed to be the adult i'm interacting with? feels more like talking to an 8 year old recovering from a head injury.

my problem is raging entitled bags of douche like yourself that think... no.. you just KNOW that the world revolves solely around yourself and interests. rest of the world be dammed.

again, you are the shining example of why people just absolutely can't stand cyclists. in fact, you should (if you had any ounce of responsibility - which is a joke, i know.) feel bad about all the decent cyclists that do get mowed down. cause delusional assholes like you encouraging people to act as farking stupid as possible just out of principal leads folks to get hurt.

but we all know that as self absorbed as you obviously are, you would never go so far as to think of others. but just in case you have some moment of clarity, you can refer back to this as a starting point of how to rejoin society.

/holding my breath
 
2012-05-04 03:16:58 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Baloo Uriza: Magnanimous_J: Tawnos: The_Sponge: 2) The ones who really piss me off are the bicyclists who decide that it's a good idea to ride two abreast instead of single file. Get out of the road, assholes.

If the road has two lanes in each direction without a wide shoulder, doing this is much safer than single file. It gets assholes to actually switch lanes rather than barely moving over and buzzing you.

When I'm on my motorcycle and see cyclists doing this, I love to either blast past them a foot away or line up my muffler with their fork and just cruise there for a mile or so, riding one gear too low.

I hope you spook one into swerving in front of you; road rash and some broken bones would do you some good.

You are too kind, I hope he crashes and burns while and because of doing this stupid evil shiat.

Motorcycles do not work that way. Mufflers are toward the rear of the bike. In some bikes, they are directly beneath the center, but still have a rearward-facing exhaust. The cyclist would have to accelerate ahead of the motorcycle and intentionally swerve into its path to create an incident. And then, the physics involved would not favor the cyclist.

Why responding to me?


Laziness, mostly. Out of the bazillion responses in this thread, yours was the one I where read that line. Sorry if it confused or offended you.
 
2012-05-04 03:17:08 PM  

Tawnos: Baloo Uriza: Thanks for being part of the problem. Guess where the bad drivers came to the northwest from?

Another country? Or they're native.


California.

Because any time I saw WA plates back home (Palm Springs area), you knew it was likely to be a "5 miles under the speed limit and oblivious to everything" driver.

Migration stats kept by the Census and UHaul indicate that roughly 3 out of 4 people in Oregon and Washington are from California.
 
2012-05-04 03:20:32 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Baloo Uriza: Magnanimous_J: Tawnos: The_Sponge: 2) The ones who really piss me off are the bicyclists who decide that it's a good idea to ride two abreast instead of single file. Get out of the road, assholes.

If the road has two lanes in each direction without a wide shoulder, doing this is much safer than single file. It gets assholes to actually switch lanes rather than barely moving over and buzzing you.

When I'm on my motorcycle and see cyclists doing this, I love to either blast past them a foot away or line up my muffler with their fork and just cruise there for a mile or so, riding one gear too low.

I hope you spook one into swerving in front of you; road rash and some broken bones would do you some good.

You are too kind, I hope he crashes and burns while and because of doing this stupid evil shiat.

Motorcycles do not work that way. Mufflers are toward the rear of the bike. In some bikes, they are directly beneath the center, but still have a rearward-facing exhaust. The cyclist would have to accelerate ahead of the motorcycle and intentionally swerve into its path to create an incident. And then, the physics involved would not favor the cyclist.

Why responding to me?

Laziness, mostly. Out of the bazillion responses in this thread, yours was the one I where read that line. Sorry if it confused or offended you.


No worries, I suppose I was making sure you knew that it wasn't me that said what you were responding to, which makes me prideful, huh? damn.
 
2012-05-04 03:21:21 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: sharpie_69: jaytkay: fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.

If you're riding around Flatland, gears are an unnecessary complication.

/ Chicagoan
// On my commute the only things remotely like (very small) hills are bridges
/// I have a geared bike & a fixie, they're both a lot of fun


Uhh, are brakes an unnecessary complication as well? I'll never understand why anyone would ride a fixie on the road, you need to STOP you know. I completely understand it in a velodrome event.

/Unless you mean fixie == no gears, but you can coast and have brakes -- then nevermind.

Fixies have several advantages for messengers.
First and most obvious, hard to steal and easy to lock up.
Second, very light. a messengers daily riding requires lot sof quick sprints.
Third, and to answer your question, a fixie can stop in the rain. something normal road bikes struggle with. Because you are using your legs and rubber to decelerate and stop, the rain on the rims doesn't really effect you. Yes, stopping in the rain is THE primary reason to ride a fixie.
Incidentally fixies are awful for your knees and I personally can't see justifying using one outside of messengers and track racers.

I think that Chicago law requires a brake on all bikes, including fixies, being it a coaster or rim brake.

Don't know. Fixies can still have a brake of course, but it won't have any efficacy in the rain.
Anyways, I was trying to explain why a fixie can be an advantage, since most folks, intuitively just see it as silly and dangerous.

I would have put them on the side of the road, in the gutter.

No gutter, it was RIGHT after the tracks. Honestly, I thought I did the best thing for everyone. There are very few peds there (mostly winos on their way for their next fix) and at that they are doubtful walking on the curb, damn near in the street. At ...


Just to clarify, I was not attacking you or anything and I obviously am not familiar with the area. Just trying to offer up some friendly advice.

Cheers!
 
2012-05-04 03:22:53 PM  

Baloo Uriza: Tawnos: Baloo Uriza: Thanks for being part of the problem. Guess where the bad drivers came to the northwest from?

Another country? Or they're native.

California.

Because any time I saw WA plates back home (Palm Springs area), you knew it was likely to be a "5 miles under the speed limit and oblivious to everything" driver.

Migration stats kept by the Census and UHaul indicate that roughly 3 out of 4 people in Oregon and Washington are from California.


That explains why about 25% of the people up here drive so poorly - they haven't been forged in the fires of the CA freeways.

Seriously, you can try to keep blaming those from CA, but even those I talk to who are from up here say "yeah, drivers from around here suck, CA's much better."
 
2012-05-04 03:44:06 PM  

Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: sharpie_69: jaytkay: fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.

If you're riding around Flatland, gears are an unnecessary complication.

/ Chicagoan
// On my commute the only things remotely like (very small) hills are bridges
/// I have a geared bike & a fixie, they're both a lot of fun


Uhh, are brakes an unnecessary complication as well? I'll never understand why anyone would ride a fixie on the road, you need to STOP you know. I completely understand it in a velodrome event.

/Unless you mean fixie == no gears, but you can coast and have brakes -- then nevermind.

Fixies have several advantages for messengers.
First and most obvious, hard to steal and easy to lock up.
Second, very light. a messengers daily riding requires lot sof quick sprints.
Third, and to answer your question, a fixie can stop in the rain. something normal road bikes struggle with. Because you are using your legs and rubber to decelerate and stop, the rain on the rims doesn't really effect you. Yes, stopping in the rain is THE primary reason to ride a fixie.
Incidentally fixies are awful for your knees and I personally can't see justifying using one outside of messengers and track racers.

I think that Chicago law requires a brake on all bikes, including fixies, being it a coaster or rim brake.

Don't know. Fixies can still have a brake of course, but it won't have any efficacy in the rain.
Anyways, I was trying to explain why a fixie can be an advantage, since most folks, intuitively just see it as silly and dangerous.

I would have put them on the side of the road, in the gutter.

No gutter, it was RIGHT after the tracks. Honestly, I thought I did the best thing for everyone. There are very few peds there (mostly winos on their way for their next fix) and at that they are doubtful walking on the curb, damn near ...


I get you. I felt the need to explain that I really did put thought into how I dealt with it, and that I didn't haphazardly leave a dangerous situation for others. However, my first priority was other cyclists, which should go without saying. =P
 
2012-05-04 03:44:45 PM  

Tawnos: That explains why about 25% of the people up here drive so poorly - they haven't been forged in the fires of the CA freeways.


Other way around, it's why 75% of the drivers suck out there. They moved from a state where you can fail the driving test if you received a high enough score on the written, and the written test answer key is available while you're taking the test. You don't have to know how to drive to get a license in California, so most don't bother to learn.

Seriously, you can try to keep blaming those from CA, but even those I talk to who are from up here say "yeah, drivers from around here suck, CA's much better."

They're tourists who forgot to go home when they're done visiting, is why.
 
2012-05-04 03:46:30 PM  

Tawnos: Baloo Uriza: Tawnos: Baloo Uriza: Thanks for being part of the problem. Guess where the bad drivers came to the northwest from?

Another country? Or they're native.

California.

Because any time I saw WA plates back home (Palm Springs area), you knew it was likely to be a "5 miles under the speed limit and oblivious to everything" driver.

Migration stats kept by the Census and UHaul indicate that roughly 3 out of 4 people in Oregon and Washington are from California.

That explains why about 25% of the people up here drive so poorly - they haven't been forged in the fires of the CA freeways.

Seriously, you can try to keep blaming those from CA, but even those I talk to who are from up here say "yeah, drivers from around here suck, CA's much better."



god, it is SO much fun to get down from Nor Cal and be back on the deathtrap, clusterfark, every man for himself, blaze of glory, drive it like it's hot freeway driving of LA and OC. Especially when you have, like, 10 freeways all merging and un-merging at a single point.
so much fun. =D
 
2012-05-04 04:09:19 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: god, it is SO much fun to get down from Nor Cal and be back on the deathtrap, clusterfark, every man for himself, blaze of glory, drive it like it's hot freeway driving of LA and OC. Especially when you have, like, 10 freeways all merging and un-merging at a single point.
so much fun. =D



Teaches you how to actually merge, something a lot of people struggle with up here.

Also that the left lane is for passing, not for sitting in at 5-10 under the speed limit.

I agree, though, the orange crush is hell, as is the 405/5 merge in Irvine and the 55/405/75 triangle I used to live in the middle of (at least with that, though, if you screwed up you could just keep looping).
 
2012-05-04 04:14:50 PM  

Tawnos: Uchiha_Cycliste: god, it is SO much fun to get down from Nor Cal and be back on the deathtrap, clusterfark, every man for himself, blaze of glory, drive it like it's hot freeway driving of LA and OC. Especially when you have, like, 10 freeways all merging and un-merging at a single point.
so much fun. =D


Teaches you how to actually merge, something a lot of people struggle with up here.

Also that the left lane is for passing, not for sitting in at 5-10 under the speed limit.

I agree, though, the orange crush is hell, as is the 405/5 merge in Irvine and the 55/405/75 triangle I used to live in the middle of (at least with that, though, if you screwed up you could just keep looping).


Look kids! Big Ben, Parliment!
look kids, big ben! parliment!
...
I'm especially a big fan of where the 5, 60, 10, 101 and 710 twist you every which way.
Especially at 90.
 
2012-05-04 04:15:40 PM  
And I have the El Toro Y with the fiery passion of a thousand suns.
 
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