Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.If that is the case then cyclists should ensure that there is 3' of space between them and the white line, where that is feasible. That means that in the picture posted those three cyclists are being douchebags.
whatshisname: Technoir: You being a less-than-asshat cyclist just means you're less likely to get knocked the fark off your bike by some driver who's paid for the privilege of using the road.Your vehicle registration and insurance doesn't pay for the roads. Cyclist's property, income and sales taxes do, though.
The My Little Pony Killer: Boo hoo. When you're in the bike lane, you go single file. When you're in the road, you are a vehicle. Which means that you obey the same laws as other vehicles on the road.No, I don't give a shiat that it wears out your breaks. Breaks are easy to replace. Now obey that stop sign/red light and stop getting pissed off at me for crossing on MY green.
Pitabred: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Pitabred: Completely related to this:i49.tinypic.comCame across these guys one weekend north of Boulder, CO. The speed limit on that road is 65, and they just didn't care that they were forcing people over the yellow lines to give them safe distance, especially at speed./Checked way ahead down the road as I was coming up on them before taking the picture, to make sure I wouldn't put anyone in danger//Crossed the yellow lines myself to give them room///Phone was on a mount so all I had to do was touch the screen, never took my eyes off the road or my hand off the wheelThanks for being extra cautious, but those guys are all on the shoulder. Any competent driver could've passed them safely without crossing the yellow line. Now, if one of them was over or on the white line, you'd have a valid complaint.They were weaving over the line often enough that I didn't feel safe going past them at highway speed inside my lane. A 65mph vehicle pushes a lot of air, and the closer you are to someone the more it can affect them. There were obviously (from the picture) other people who felt the same way as I did. I'm not gonna accidentally clip a bicyclist at 65 because I'm legally in the right. I'll cross the line. I will however get upset at them for putting me into a situation where I felt I had to do that to keep them safe.
Uchiha_Cycliste: If it were an Al frame my answer would maybe change. But like I said it's an unnecessary step if everything is 5x5.
Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.
Uchiha_Cycliste: you know what I looked at the 120k route, and it was already so close to the rides I do for fun,, and iono who I could get to fulfill my obligations that I'll probablyhead out that day, maybe on some of those roads, but I won't be registered, I won't use the feed stations and I won't make a nuisance of myself.I simply like seeing that many cyclists, and I may do Tunitas just to see who is fast these days. =P
Uchiha_Cycliste: so you were there back when all of Irvine was Middle Earth and they still had honest to God cow fields? Awesome. Did you ever get to ride up in Aliso Woods Canyon? Hpw about out to Cooks corner and cooks climb?Ever Saddle back?
Repo Man: Have you ever ridden a bicycle on a highway like that? Being passed by a car, or even a tractor trailer, is no big deal. Do you think your draft is going to knock them down or something?
Repo Man: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.No, there isn't, at least not yet. You're thinking of SB 910, which Brown vetoed. They are trying again with SB 1464. I think these laws are overkill. I regularly share roads with cyclists where I pass them with less distance than that, with no problem at all for anyone. Safety comes from using common sense, not some overly wide passing distance.
I often hope that cyclists' tight pants will lower their sperm count enough that we will be spared another generation of them running red lights and trying to wave on cars when a semi truck is barreling down the other lane.
Mitch Taylor's Bro: I wasn't into bikes back then (84-89). The most riding I did was the round trip from the base of the peninsula to Mutt Lynch's and the fun zone on my beach cruiser. Schooners, pizza, hot women in bikinis rollerskating by...it's a wonder I ever graduated! LOL I discovered bikes around 15 years ago and didn't get into road bikes until 2010.
paygun: Uchiha_Cycliste: If it were an Al frame my answer would maybe change. But like I said it's an unnecessary step if everything is 5x5.Thanks, that's what my thoughts were on it. I don't want to expose any steel if I don't have to. And although this won't be a shred your face off mountain bike (I'm too old for that shiat) the whole purpose of this bike will be off road and bad weather use. I considered a cheapo aluminum frame but the frame I want is perfect for what I want to do.
fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.
Repo Man: However, like I said, I read teh 3-4 foot thing at the DMV and as such am confident in it.If you had read the link, you would have seen that the reason for the proposed legislation is that at the present time, the "safe distance" isn't specified. Without that being specified by law, it's much more difficult to charge people with unsafe passing, which is probably the best reason for the law. It certainly isn't going to stop unsafe passing, which is a symptom of an underlying attitude problem on the part of all too many motorists.
Mi-go amigo: Man, what is it about this subject that makes people such asses? It's as bad as politics, religion, or gun control.
Uchiha_Cycliste: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I wasn't into bikes back then (84-89). The most riding I did was the round trip from the base of the peninsula to Mutt Lynch's and the fun zone on my beach cruiser. Schooners, pizza, hot women in bikinis rollerskating by...it's a wonder I ever graduated! LOL I discovered bikes around 15 years ago and didn't get into road bikes until 2010.How much time did you spend at Balboa or the Fun Zone?
foxbrook78: Lazy repost modified from an '09 fark thread:I used to ride angry in Boston, often with flagrant disregard for laws not relevant to my safety or the safety of others. The things is, I could make my commute 30-40% faster by bike than in a car and I couldn't park a car anywhere near my job anyway. There was a bike lane vaguely parallel to my commute for part of it, but was like riding on the sidewalk due to all the pedestrians that used it to get to the T-station. I gave up that route after I almost took out a guy that looked up from his phone and panicked and 'dodged' into my lane (it was lined), I laid the bike down to avoid him (studded tires are unforgiving for tight maneuvers on granite).All the accidents I had were when I was 100% in compliance with traffic law. Traffic laws written for cars do not protect the safety of cyclists. Ever taken a car door to the shoulder? 25mph to zero in a couple inches, absolutely no warning. Its safer to take the lane and draft trailer trucks at 35-40mph than ride right where you're gonna get raped by some a-hole who can't use a rearview mirror ON THE DOOR before opening it. I have kicked off the fender of a car as it pinched me at the curb while he made an illegal U-turn, been almost passed by buses that immediately run me into the the curb like I don't exist more times than I can count./not that I'm bitter//doored by a prius driver, the guy felt really bad, wrote me a check for my taco'ed front wheel///doored by some kid getting out of the passenger seat while stopped at a light. Who sees that coming? (had to speak with mom's insurance company to the tune of $900.)////struck by someone turning right (through me) down a side street, I got thrown clear and slid down the road on my back while perfectly perched on my messenger bag, amazingly, no road rash, at least on me. I chased her down and screamed at her 5 blocks away. I was angry.
Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I wasn't into bikes back then (84-89). The most riding I did was the round trip from the base of the peninsula to Mutt Lynch's and the fun zone on my beach cruiser. Schooners, pizza, hot women in bikinis rollerskating by...it's a wonder I ever graduated! LOL I discovered bikes around 15 years ago and didn't get into road bikes until 2010.How much time did you spend at Balboa or the Fun Zone?A fair amount. I lived on Balboa Island my Jr. year.
chewielouie: It's a long thread. Did anyone post a link to the recent hit and run story out of california? It was caught on the camera one of the cyclists had on his bike. Police caught the guy a few days later. Here's a link to the video Link[i45.tinypic.com image 640x359]And yet another hit and run caught on video. Bus driver would have gotten the HERO tag. LinkSo relax with the internet tough guy routine people. Yes, some cyclists can be real a-holes out there, but they can't hurt you. You should be more worried about the a-hole drivers in other cars that can. A brief delay stuck behind a cyclist is not the end of the world.
misterlump: [anotherclever.files.wordpress.com image 500x290]i ride 150+ miles a week, Cars win every time. I always defer to them, even when the driver is being an ass.
Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm vain, I can't help it I have beautiful veins
Uchiha_Cycliste: Like I've mentioned before the problem is a small minority of cyclists that are most visible because of their tomfoolery. For every jackass on a bike there are 10-15 other riders you didn't see. so, to the average (dumbass) American all they ever see is cyclists flaunting their breaking the rules. Surely you recognize that sentiment in this thread and all the others like it. So these buffoons spout off that all cyclists are bad, and their views are reinforced by other unobservant fat-ass pricks who proclaim the same thing. It's a 20 couch-potatoe echo chamber driven by the 1/15 cyclists who have no problems blowing through lights.Anyways, these threads are always the same, and I tend to avoid at least half of them these days. However I do like helping other cyclists, or farkers who *want* to be cyclists. It's also worth occasionally standing ujp for the community as a whole and... let's face it, I'm vain, I can't help it I have beautiful veins, and it's fun for me to talk about my progress training.
scottydoesntknow: It amazes me that cyclists feel like they own the road when they're on 5-15lbs of aluminum and I'm in 2 tons of various metals and steel.
bdub77: Because I f*cking hate cyclists on the road. And when they gang up together to literally block a one-lane road, I seriously want to play bowling ball to their f*cking yellow shirted Lance Armstrong wannabe bodies.
MmmBadEggs: Simple rule for the bike-riders: keep your goddamn toy out of the way.
MrEricSir: What's with the press trying to create a wedge issue with bikes vs. cars all of a sudden? Is there no real news to report on anymore?
GORDON: The bicyclistsEveryone in TFA really come off as douchebags.
scottydoesntknow: ISO15693: To be fair, this is like putting up a sign in front of auschwitz, saying "Any Jew visitors, please do not harm others"Yes it's just like the holocaust. Moron.
sharpie_69: I live just off a very popular street with the "road-bike" crowd in my town. I can't tell you the number of times I've watched 20+ road bikes fly through a 4-way stop . Sorry guys -- *each* of you have to come to a stop. A line of 20 cars doesn't just "go through" after the first guy waves us on...
Keigh: As someone who just got a bike (schwinn classic) and a helmet (nutcase, baby doll pink) I'm getting a kick from these replies.I'm also pretty sure I'm not going to ride on the road, whenever possible. Plenty of sidewalk in this city for everybody.
Dimensio: I am a cyclist. After reading the article and studying the messages reportedly displayed on signs, I have formulated my reaction:[m.chanarchive.org image 596x329]
rudemix: The problem was that there were no lanes for bikes and the bike traffic on the shoulder was pushing cars across the line into other lanes. It endangered everyone but fortunately the city wanted to be proactive.
Silly Jesus: I think to a lot of people it isn't necessarily the blatant breaking of the law, but rather the inconsideration of the act of riding down the road itself.
UtileDysfunktion: bdub77: I wish cyclists had their own bike paths. I really do. I wish they had as many options as cars do. I wish they had little bridges they could bike over intersections with. I wish they had their own underground system of tunnels they could use. Something. Anything.Pretty much THIS ^.I'm not sure what it is, but years ago bicyclists didn't bother me. I think it has to do with greatly increased traffic in my area and the fact that nearly every soccer mom is now driving a 6000 lb. SUV while on the phone. I'm busy looking out for other vehicular traffic and then I've got some guy on bike practically throwing himself in front of my car saying HIT ME! HIT ME!On a two-lane road to/from work, there was a guy on bike approaching from the opposite direction (in the other lane) with a Chevy Suburban coming up fast (speeding, actually) behind him. I'm about to pass both of them. Does the Suburban slow down and wait for me to go by and then safely pass the bicycle? Hell no, he/she veers over into my lane causing me to hit the brakes to avoid a head-on collision and then swings back to his own lane once they're past the bike. This goes on ALL THE TIME.
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