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2012-05-03 11:01:00 PM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Woodside, and Irvine are both notorious for stop sign tickets. sometimes ticketing a whole group ride, lol.
Never had a problem myself, because *I* stop at that 4 way, and near woodbridge when on Como street ride.

Irvine, too? I went to college there. But that was before cycling really caught on in the US. I actually met Greg LeMond at a bike shop in Irvine after he won the TdF. I didn't know who he was, but he was signing posters and a cyclist friend couldn't go, so I went, shook his hand and had him sign a poster with my friend's name.

/ CSB


so you were there back when all of Irvine was Middle Earth and they still had honest to God cow fields? Awesome. Did you ever get to ride up in Aliso Woods Canyon? Hpw about out to Cooks corner and cooks climb?
Ever Saddle back?

Back in HS, Dana hills I would once or twice ditch school after arriving, ride my beater home, grab my nice bike, get on the Aliso Woods canyon trail and take it out to Santiago Canyon. Go to the bird Sanctuary, the up Harding Truck Trail to Main Divide and then past Modjeska peak to Santiago peak.
To get home I would take the Joplin trail; which starts at the low point between Santiago and Modjeska and ends at Old camp (or the top of Modjeska grade road )then ride home. god that was an awesome ride, Santiago peaks at 6k. So It was 70+ miles with at least 7K climbing since I started at HS on the ocean. Occasionally I'd do it in the minter time and I'd have snow from Main divide on. So much fun.
 
2012-05-03 11:05:02 PM  

Mock26: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.

Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.

If that is the case then cyclists should ensure that there is 3' of space between them and the white line, where that is feasible. That means that in the picture posted those three cyclists are being douchebags.


No, The law stipulates that a cyclist is required to ride as far to the right as is safe. All other laws play second fiddle to that one.
I'll be back in 15 or so.. Gotta test some things.
 
2012-05-03 11:05:48 PM  
Quickly though, it's the car's job to pass safely, and find or allow enough room, not the cyclists. The law is clear on this.
 
2012-05-03 11:11:25 PM  

whatshisname: Technoir: You being a less-than-asshat cyclist just means you're less likely to get knocked the fark off your bike by some driver who's paid for the privilege of using the road.

Your vehicle registration and insurance doesn't pay for the roads. Cyclist's property, income and sales taxes do, though.


Hm. Ontario gov'ts been lying to us then. Vechicle registration and driver licensing fees supposedly go (mostly) to road infrastructure costs.
 
2012-05-03 11:22:36 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: Boo hoo. When you're in the bike lane, you go single file. When you're in the road, you are a vehicle. Which means that you obey the same laws as other vehicles on the road.

No, I don't give a shiat that it wears out your breaks. Breaks are easy to replace. Now obey that stop sign/red light and stop getting pissed off at me for crossing on MY green.


When you're on the sidewalk, you obey the signals. When you're on the sidewalk, you are a pedestrian. Which means that you obey the same laws as other pedestrians on the sidewalk.

No, I don't give a shiat that you might miss your bus. There will be another bus. Now obey the crosswalk signal and stop getting pissed off at me for swerving to avoid hitting your dumb ass walking against YOUR red crosswalk signal.


/see how that works?
//empathy, i has it -- does you?
 
2012-05-03 11:24:42 PM  

Pitabred: Mitch Taylor's Bro: Pitabred: Completely related to this:

i49.tinypic.com

Came across these guys one weekend north of Boulder, CO. The speed limit on that road is 65, and they just didn't care that they were forcing people over the yellow lines to give them safe distance, especially at speed.

/Checked way ahead down the road as I was coming up on them before taking the picture, to make sure I wouldn't put anyone in danger
//Crossed the yellow lines myself to give them room
///Phone was on a mount so all I had to do was touch the screen, never took my eyes off the road or my hand off the wheel

Thanks for being extra cautious, but those guys are all on the shoulder. Any competent driver could've passed them safely without crossing the yellow line. Now, if one of them was over or on the white line, you'd have a valid complaint.

They were weaving over the line often enough that I didn't feel safe going past them at highway speed inside my lane. A 65mph vehicle pushes a lot of air, and the closer you are to someone the more it can affect them. There were obviously (from the picture) other people who felt the same way as I did. I'm not gonna accidentally clip a bicyclist at 65 because I'm legally in the right. I'll cross the line. I will however get upset at them for putting me into a situation where I felt I had to do that to keep them safe.


Have you ever ridden a bicycle on a highway like that? Being passed by a car, or even a tractor trailer, is no big deal. Do you think your draft is going to knock them down or something?

I regularly ride on a highway that has a 55 MPH limit, and a narrower shoulder than that. I stay on my side of the white line, and all I ask of cars is that they stay on theirs. Some drivers really seem to have no idea, and go way to their left when passing me; even when the three cars in front of them just went past me without deviating in the slightest. Just last year they put ridges in the center to warn you if you are drifting into the oncoming lanes (probably more necessary than ever now that so many are doing crap such as texting while driving). So these overly considerate drivers make a hell of a racket when they move over because they think I'm going to be sucked out into the road or something by their vehicles draft. Or maybe they have no depth perception, I don't know. The draft from passing cars and trucks speeds us up. We like it.
 
2012-05-03 11:28:12 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: If it were an Al frame my answer would maybe change. But like I said it's an unnecessary step if everything is 5x5.


Thanks, that's what my thoughts were on it. I don't want to expose any steel if I don't have to. And although this won't be a shred your face off mountain bike (I'm too old for that shiat) the whole purpose of this bike will be off road and bad weather use. I considered a cheapo aluminum frame but the frame I want is perfect for what I want to do.
 
2012-05-03 11:34:02 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.

Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.


No, there isn't, at least not yet. You're thinking of SB 910, which Brown vetoed. They are trying again with SB 1464. I think these laws are overkill. I regularly share roads with cyclists where I pass them with less distance than that, with no problem at all for anyone. Safety comes from using common sense, not some overly wide passing distance.
 
2012-05-03 11:38:07 PM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: you know what I looked at the 120k route, and it was already so close to the rides I do for fun,, and iono who I could get to fulfill my obligations that I'll probably
head out that day, maybe on some of those roads, but I won't be registered, I won't use the feed stations and I won't make a nuisance of myself.
I simply like seeing that many cyclists, and I may do Tunitas just to see who is fast these days. =P


I'm not sure how many cyclists are going to opt for the 120km route, but there's a team called "Big Ring Riders" who passed me going up King's Mtn like I was standing still. Hmm, come to think of it, I probably was! LOL It took me 8.5 hours to finish that ride! Oh, and TdC is a charity ride that benefits the American Diabetes Association, so "signing up" would put you back $200 unless you got some donors :-)

Uchiha_Cycliste: so you were there back when all of Irvine was Middle Earth and they still had honest to God cow fields? Awesome. Did you ever get to ride up in Aliso Woods Canyon? Hpw about out to Cooks corner and cooks climb?
Ever Saddle back?


I wasn't into bikes back then (84-89). The most riding I did was the round trip from the base of the peninsula to Mutt Lynch's and the fun zone on my beach cruiser. Schooners, pizza, hot women in bikinis rollerskating by...it's a wonder I ever graduated! LOL I discovered bikes around 15 years ago and didn't get into road bikes until 2010.
 
2012-05-03 11:59:48 PM  
The reason I don't do centuries or other group rides is because of all the people who treat it as a social event. They plod along two and three or more side by side blocking the road. To deal with this, since I am actually trying to do speed/distance I have to slow to their plodding pace, wait for oncoming automotive traffic to break, hammer acceleration to pass before the next car comes along and then repeat it for the next cluster of plodders who are just slowly doing 25 miles or less over several hours. It gets very tiring.

So, I have no problem with the signage I've been seeing that people need to stop riding three or more abreast. (two abreast is legal in the state I live in)

As to people upset someone is riding a road they don't thing the bicyclist should be using... well too bad. What looks like a viable alternative to someone who is driving often isn't. I don't like being on roads with hostile drivers but I am also not taking a several mile detour. I don't like using these roads but you drivers didn't want a grid system of roads to prevent people from driving through your neighborhoods. Well, this means bicyclists are going to be on the main roads.

Or worse yet, the places that have grid systems but the neighborhood busybodies had the roads blocked off or are one way roads that alternate direction every few blocks. Well I am not going to bike some 8-bit pixelated route jumping on and off main roads making a bunch of turns where the directions flip, so I'll just take the main road that goes straight through. It's faster and safer than the alternative.

And don't get me started on the bicycle ghettos of bike lanes and glorified sidewalks (bike paths). These are almost always unsafe to use for a variety of reasons. Just make a wide curb lane and everything will be just fine without wasting paint.

3 feet of space while passing is the minimum. If I can touch your car, you're too close. That said once someone on a bicycle gutter passes me I assume he doesn't mind being close. I don't gutter pass when biking and I get around just fine.

Repo Man: Have you ever ridden a bicycle on a highway like that? Being passed by a car, or even a tractor trailer, is no big deal. Do you think your draft is going to knock them down or something?


Um, I've nearly been sucked under a couple different trucks. One was a box truck I moved over to the edge to let by. I don't do that anymore because of that arsehole. He passed me with a couple inches of space and I had to dive into the gravel at speed to avoid being sucked under. Another was a driver of a gravel truck who had to pass me to reach a red signal queue first. He sounded the air horn and then passed within inches. The bike was being pulled under with me on it. Now I've been passed by many trucks where it is no big deal because either they did it correctly or because I had the run out room to get a couple feet away.

Why drivers are upset about single bicyclists riding along I will never understand. I've never had problems passing safely. Never delayed me in any significant way. One asshat driver will delay me several orders of magnitude more.
 
2012-05-04 12:08:59 AM  

Repo Man: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.

Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.

No, there isn't, at least not yet. You're thinking of SB 910, which Brown vetoed. They are trying again with SB 1464. I think these laws are overkill. I regularly share roads with cyclists where I pass them with less distance than that, with no problem at all for anyone. Safety comes from using common sense, not some overly wide passing distance.


Well, I renewed my drivers lic a few weeks ago and read the rules pamphlet as I was waiting. It said that in the rules for drivers pamphlet, heres what I also found on a quick google search:

EHICLE CODE
SECTION 21750-21759

21750. The driver of a vehicle overtaking another vehicle or a
bicycle proceeding in the same direction shall pass to the left at a
safe distance without interfering with the safe operation of the
overtaken vehicle or bicycle, subject to the limitations and
exceptions hereinafter stated.


However, like I said, I read teh 3-4 foot thing at the DMV and as such am confident in it.
 
2012-05-04 12:09:55 AM  
Um, I've nearly been sucked under a couple different trucks. One was a box truck I moved over to the edge to let by. I don't do that anymore because of that arsehole. He passed me with a couple inches of space and I had to dive into the gravel at speed to avoid being sucked under. Another was a driver of a gravel truck who had to pass me to reach a red signal queue first. He sounded the air horn and then passed within inches. The bike was being pulled under with me on it. Now I've been passed by many trucks where it is no big deal because either they did it correctly or because I had the run out room to get a couple feet away.

I've been riding on the highway since the late seventies (beginning when I was thirteen) when I began going on twenty mile plus rides on the highways of northern California (log truck country). I've been passed by countless trucks in that time, some with frighteningly little room to spare. I've never once felt like as though I was going to be sucked under. Squashed, maybe, sucked under, no. Honest question, are you small? I was probably 5' 7" when I began regularly riding on the shoulder of Hwy. 101, and I topped out at 6' 3" (man I got tired of outgrowing my bike). Maybe that has something to do with it?
 
2012-05-04 12:16:00 AM  
Nickster79:
I often hope that cyclists' tight pants will lower their sperm count enough that we will be spared another generation of them running red lights and trying to wave on cars when a semi truck is barreling down the other lane.

Right out of the gate, we have a winner. Scanning this, after reading "sperm count," I read "a sperm truck," which made it even MORE climactic.
 
2012-05-04 12:16:28 AM  
However, like I said, I read teh 3-4 foot thing at the DMV and as such am confident in it.

If you had read the link, you would have seen that the reason for the proposed legislation is that at the present time, the "safe distance" isn't specified. Without that being specified by law, it's much more difficult to charge people with unsafe passing, which is probably the best reason for the law. It certainly isn't going to stop unsafe passing, which is a symptom of an underlying attitude problem on the part of all too many motorists.
 
2012-05-04 12:17:17 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: I wasn't into bikes back then (84-89). The most riding I did was the round trip from the base of the peninsula to Mutt Lynch's and the fun zone on my beach cruiser. Schooners, pizza, hot women in bikinis rollerskating by...it's a wonder I ever graduated! LOL I discovered bikes around 15 years ago and didn't get into road bikes until 2010.


How much time did you spend at Balboa or the Fun Zone?
 
2012-05-04 12:19:14 AM  

paygun: Uchiha_Cycliste: If it were an Al frame my answer would maybe change. But like I said it's an unnecessary step if everything is 5x5.

Thanks, that's what my thoughts were on it. I don't want to expose any steel if I don't have to. And although this won't be a shred your face off mountain bike (I'm too old for that shiat) the whole purpose of this bike will be off road and bad weather use. I considered a cheapo aluminum frame but the frame I want is perfect for what I want to do.



then install the BB and ride a little first. Only put more work into it if you find in absolutely necessary.
 
2012-05-04 12:20:59 AM  
www.motifake.com
 
2012-05-04 12:21:04 AM  

Repo Man: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mock26: There is no need to cross the yellow line. There is plenty of room to safely pass them and stay on your side of the road.

Generally there is, but CA law requires 3-4 feet between cars and bike when a car over takes a bike. Sometimes the cyclist can't ride far enough to the right to accommodate that so sometimes it is necessary, for the sake of safety, for a car to cross the double yellow.

No, there isn't, at least not yet. You're thinking of SB 910, which Brown vetoed. They are trying again with SB 1464. I think these laws are overkill. I regularly share roads with cyclists where I pass them with less distance than that, with no problem at all for anyone. Safety comes from using common sense, not some overly wide passing distance.


You know what, I agree with your common sense statement.
I find myself, many times ,more sketched out my cars swinging WAY out of the way, than cars that pass prett closely (>=1ft) but very obviously know what they are doing.
 
2012-05-04 12:22:45 AM  
funny how writing in green is an obsession and commuting is only a hobby, but you are projecting again. it's what you do best.
 
2012-05-04 12:30:23 AM  
i820.photobucket.com
 
2012-05-04 12:30:37 AM  

fireclown: fixies only real purpose is as a training regimin, and for a few velodrome-style racing events. I don't get the appeal of them for road use.


If you're riding around Flatland, gears are an unnecessary complication.

/ Chicagoan
// On my commute the only things remotely like (very small) hills are bridges
/// I have a geared bike & a fixie, they're both a lot of fun
 
2012-05-04 12:31:07 AM  
Lol, this is post 420. so apropos for a bike thread
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Safety check, everyone!
 
2012-05-04 12:33:25 AM  

Repo Man: However, like I said, I read teh 3-4 foot thing at the DMV and as such am confident in it.

If you had read the link, you would have seen that the reason for the proposed legislation is that at the present time, the "safe distance" isn't specified. Without that being specified by law, it's much more difficult to charge people with unsafe passing, which is probably the best reason for the law. It certainly isn't going to stop unsafe passing, which is a symptom of an underlying attitude problem on the part of all too many motorists.


Yeah, I saw the link earlier too.
Iono what to say. I'm simply relaying what I read at the DMV. Hell, if I can find a way to swong by one tomorrow I will. Mostly because I'm curious of the exact wording of what I read. I'll share here if I can find it. (I swear to Biki, it's not an I told ya so)
 
2012-05-04 12:53:50 AM  
wrenching now... responses intermitent
 
2012-05-04 01:04:56 AM  
Man, what is it about this subject that makes people such asses? It's as bad as politics, religion, or gun control.
 
2012-05-04 01:12:02 AM  

Mi-go amigo: Man, what is it about this subject that makes people such asses? It's as bad as politics, religion, or gun control.


Part of it is America's car culture.
Part of it is the Us vs Them mentality the Republicans have been building.
Part of it is that in fact there is a very visible (small) minority of cyclists that flaunt the rules. Dude, it's honestly the same as all Muslims are terrorists.
Does that help?

Do you have any idea how many times I've fought the good fight on FARK>
 
2012-05-04 01:14:29 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I wasn't into bikes back then (84-89). The most riding I did was the round trip from the base of the peninsula to Mutt Lynch's and the fun zone on my beach cruiser. Schooners, pizza, hot women in bikinis rollerskating by...it's a wonder I ever graduated! LOL I discovered bikes around 15 years ago and didn't get into road bikes until 2010.

How much time did you spend at Balboa or the Fun Zone?


A fair amount. I lived on Balboa Island my Jr. year.
 
2012-05-04 01:22:47 AM  
test riding bbl (20?)
 
2012-05-04 01:30:44 AM  

foxbrook78: Lazy repost modified from an '09 fark thread:

I used to ride angry in Boston, often with flagrant disregard for laws not relevant to my safety or the safety of others. The things is, I could make my commute 30-40% faster by bike than in a car and I couldn't park a car anywhere near my job anyway. There was a bike lane vaguely parallel to my commute for part of it, but was like riding on the sidewalk due to all the pedestrians that used it to get to the T-station. I gave up that route after I almost took out a guy that looked up from his phone and panicked and 'dodged' into my lane (it was lined), I laid the bike down to avoid him (studded tires are unforgiving for tight maneuvers on granite).

All the accidents I had were when I was 100% in compliance with traffic law. Traffic laws written for cars do not protect the safety of cyclists. Ever taken a car door to the shoulder? 25mph to zero in a couple inches, absolutely no warning. Its safer to take the lane and draft trailer trucks at 35-40mph than ride right where you're gonna get raped by some a-hole who can't use a rearview mirror ON THE DOOR before opening it. I have kicked off the fender of a car as it pinched me at the curb while he made an illegal U-turn, been almost passed by buses that immediately run me into the the curb like I don't exist more times than I can count.

/not that I'm bitter
//doored by a prius driver, the guy felt really bad, wrote me a check for my taco'ed front wheel
///doored by some kid getting out of the passenger seat while stopped at a light. Who sees that coming? (had to speak with mom's insurance company to the tune of $900.)
////struck by someone turning right (through me) down a side street, I got thrown clear and slid down the road on my back while perfectly perched on my messenger bag, amazingly, no road rash, at least on me. I chased her down and screamed at her 5 blocks away. I was angry.


Um...if the car is stopped at a red light, why are you passing it? Shouldn't you be stopped behind it, like you would if you were in a car? Kid shouldn't be bailing at a light, but I'm having trouble picturing how your slammed into his door if you're following the rules of the road...

/the illegal u-turn car pinch sounded nasty though.
 
2012-05-04 01:31:31 AM  
anotherclever.files.wordpress.com

i ride 150+ miles a week, Cars win every time. I always defer to them, even when the driver is being an ass.
 
2012-05-04 02:09:09 AM  
It's a long thread. Did anyone post a link to the recent hit and run story out of california? It was caught on the camera one of the cyclists had on his bike. Police caught the guy a few days later. Here's a link to the video Link

i45.tinypic.com

And yet another hit and run caught on video. Bus driver would have gotten the HERO tag. Link

So relax with the internet tough guy routine people. Yes, some cyclists can be real a-holes out there, but they can't hurt you. You should be more worried about the a-hole drivers in other cars that can. A brief delay stuck behind a cyclist is not the end of the world.
 
2012-05-04 02:20:55 AM  

Mitch Taylor's Bro: Uchiha_Cycliste: Mitch Taylor's Bro: I wasn't into bikes back then (84-89). The most riding I did was the round trip from the base of the peninsula to Mutt Lynch's and the fun zone on my beach cruiser. Schooners, pizza, hot women in bikinis rollerskating by...it's a wonder I ever graduated! LOL I discovered bikes around 15 years ago and didn't get into road bikes until 2010.

How much time did you spend at Balboa or the Fun Zone?

A fair amount. I lived on Balboa Island my Jr. year.


nice. I swear to Biki, everyone I talk to has.
 
2012-05-04 02:33:07 AM  

chewielouie: It's a long thread. Did anyone post a link to the recent hit and run story out of california? It was caught on the camera one of the cyclists had on his bike. Police caught the guy a few days later. Here's a link to the video Link

[i45.tinypic.com image 640x359]

And yet another hit and run caught on video. Bus driver would have gotten the HERO tag. Link

So relax with the internet tough guy routine people. Yes, some cyclists can be real a-holes out there, but they can't hurt you. You should be more worried about the a-hole drivers in other cars that can. A brief delay stuck behind a cyclist is not the end of the world.


I used to ride on Tunnel road, and that story scared the carp out of me.
Also, they finally convicted that Doctor in LA, that was killing cyclists by brake checking them.
 
2012-05-04 02:37:32 AM  

misterlump: [anotherclever.files.wordpress.com image 500x290]

i ride 150+ miles a week, Cars win every time. I always defer to them, even when the driver is being an ass.


I do too my friend. In fact I make a point to never get outwardly upset at them no matter what they do. In addition, whenever a motorist is doing something, or did something very dangerous I do whatever it takes to catch them and talk to them (usually at the next light) Get their attention, they roll down the window and I kindly and neutrally explain "Excuse me Sir (Ma'am),I don't know if you noticed, but back there ways you were weacing in and out of the bike lane around the turns. It's very dangerous for us cyclists when motorist drive like that, so can you please try to pay more attention to where the bike lane is? Thank you so much"

And 9.8 times out of 10, they were simply totally oblivious to their errors. I feel that I am making the roads much safer this way. And it also improves cycling/motorist relations.

Unrelated note: next thursday is bike to work day! f*{ck yeah!
 
2012-05-04 04:05:54 AM  
I cycle, hike, and drive to my job, alternatively based on weather and my feeling of how lazy/healthy I am. It's 10km(5 mi) so it's a good stretch of exercise.

I feel the safest when I drive, least safest as a pedestrian. Nobody farking looks for pedestrians or cyclists in this town. On a bicycle, at least I have a chance to get out the way fast enough.

I can't even count the number of times I've nearly been run down by an idiot making a left turn while walking across an intersection with the cross-now sign light and no left-turn arrow lit on the intersection (here, no left-turn arrow indicates a left-turn when safe, yield to oncoming traffic... and, uh, farking pedestrians that are crossing the street you want to turn onto).

As a driver, I've had very few problems with cyclists - only when they insist on using the highway instead of the paved bike path that's about 15 feet to one side from the highway. The problem isn't cyclists. At least here.

/ csb
 
2012-05-04 04:20:06 AM  
Like I've mentioned before the problem is a small minority of cyclists that are most visible because of their tomfoolery. For every jackass on a bike there are 10-15 other riders you didn't see. so, to the average (dumbass) American all they ever see is cyclists flaunting their breaking the rules. Surely you recognize that sentiment in this thread and all the others like it. So these buffoons spout off that all cyclists are bad, and their views are reinforced by other unobservant fat-ass pricks who proclaim the same thing. It's a 20 couch-potatoe echo chamber driven by the 1/15 cyclists who have no problems blowing through lights.

Anyways, these threads are always the same, and I tend to avoid at least half of them these days. However I do like helping other cyclists, or farkers who *want* to be cyclists. It's also worth occasionally standing ujp for the community as a whole and... let's face it, I'm vain, I can't help it I have beautiful veins, and it's fun for me to talk about my progress training.
 
2012-05-04 05:33:34 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: I'm vain, I can't help it I have beautiful veins


Invaders blood marches through my veins like giant radioactive rubber pants. The pants command me. Do not ignore my veins!
 
2012-05-04 08:04:37 AM  

Uchiha_Cycliste: Like I've mentioned before the problem is a small minority of cyclists that are most visible because of their tomfoolery. For every jackass on a bike there are 10-15 other riders you didn't see. so, to the average (dumbass) American all they ever see is cyclists flaunting their breaking the rules. Surely you recognize that sentiment in this thread and all the others like it. So these buffoons spout off that all cyclists are bad, and their views are reinforced by other unobservant fat-ass pricks who proclaim the same thing. It's a 20 couch-potatoe echo chamber driven by the 1/15 cyclists who have no problems blowing through lights.

Anyways, these threads are always the same, and I tend to avoid at least half of them these days. However I do like helping other cyclists, or farkers who *want* to be cyclists. It's also worth occasionally standing ujp for the community as a whole and... let's face it, I'm vain, I can't help it I have beautiful veins, and it's fun for me to talk about my progress training.


I think to a lot of people it isn't necessarily the blatant breaking of the law, but rather the inconsideration of the act of riding down the road itself.

Traffic was especially heavy the other day on a 2 lane hilly road (which means there was very little opportunity to cross the double yellow to pass) and I, along with the ~8-10 cars behind me, was driving along behind this guy who was biking at about 10mph. It lasted for what must have been 10 minutes.

Now everyone will say that this wasn't a big deal because it was only a few minutes...and that's true, it wasn't the end of the world. But, it was still inconsiderate. This guy held up everyone on the road because he chose a mode of transportation that doesn't mesh with the circumstances.

I often wonder what bicyclists would do / feel if a group of people got in front of them and just started walking slowly. I'm sure that it would annoy them and that they would feel much the same way that driver's often do when slow (or even fast) bicyclists are just nonchalantly riding down the road oblivious to the train of cars puttering along behind them mile after mile.
 
2012-05-04 09:05:00 AM  
So, the police department decides to send the message in the most douchebag way possible, and is surprised the response was negative? I see two groups of co-morons here.
 
2012-05-04 09:06:10 AM  

scottydoesntknow: It amazes me that cyclists feel like they own the road when they're on 5-15lbs of aluminum and I'm in 2 tons of various metals and steel.


Probably because they're subsidizing the motorists.
 
2012-05-04 09:08:51 AM  

bdub77: Because I f*cking hate cyclists on the road. And when they gang up together to literally block a one-lane road, I seriously want to play bowling ball to their f*cking yellow shirted Lance Armstrong wannabe bodies.


You sound fat.
 
2012-05-04 09:09:47 AM  

MmmBadEggs: Simple rule for the bike-riders: keep your goddamn toy out of the way.


a bicycle has a drive chain, and by law a vehicle, but don't let that stop your hatin.

//haters' gonna hate.
 
2012-05-04 09:11:42 AM  

MrEricSir: What's with the press trying to create a wedge issue with bikes vs. cars all of a sudden? Is there no real news to report on anymore?


Entitled motorists are suddenly feeling threatened by a 6% mode share of bicyclists in this country. Never mind that it's that, greater transit use and high unemployment that's making car traffic lighter than it has been in decades.
 
2012-05-04 09:12:46 AM  

GORDON: The bicyclistsEveryone in TFA really come off as douchebags.


Fixed it.
 
2012-05-04 09:14:01 AM  

scottydoesntknow: ISO15693: To be fair, this is like putting up a sign in front of auschwitz, saying "Any Jew visitors, please do not harm others"

Yes it's just like the holocaust. Moron.


30,000 highway deaths in the US per year can't be wrong!
 
2012-05-04 09:15:42 AM  

sharpie_69: I live just off a very popular street with the "road-bike" crowd in my town. I can't tell you the number of times I've watched 20+ road bikes fly through a 4-way stop . Sorry guys -- *each* of you have to come to a stop. A line of 20 cars doesn't just "go through" after the first guy waves us on...


I wonder if there's an engineering need for a four way stop, and if it's already popular with cyclists, why it's not a bike boulevard with the cross streets getting "STOP - CROSS TRAFFIC DOES NOT STOP" signage.
 
2012-05-04 09:17:22 AM  

Keigh: As someone who just got a bike (schwinn classic) and a helmet (nutcase, baby doll pink) I'm getting a kick from these replies.

I'm also pretty sure I'm not going to ride on the road, whenever possible. Plenty of sidewalk in this city for everybody.


Why drive on the sidewalk? You're more likely to be hit and more likely to be killed riding on the sidewalk where you're not visible to other road users. Not to mention, it's a gigantically douchebag thing to do to pedestrians who aren't expecting someone sneaking up on 'em silently and quickly. It's called a sidewalk, not a sidebike, for a reason.
 
2012-05-04 09:19:42 AM  

Dimensio: I am a cyclist. After reading the article and studying the messages reportedly displayed on signs, I have formulated my reaction:

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So am I, though I think the message on the PCMS could have been substantially less douchebag.
 
2012-05-04 09:22:52 AM  

rudemix: The problem was that there were no lanes for bikes and the bike traffic on the shoulder was pushing cars across the line into other lanes. It endangered everyone but fortunately the city wanted to be proactive.


So perhaps the city should have started enforcing the unsafe passing laws. Nobody's forcing anybody to make an unsafe pass.
 
2012-05-04 09:24:33 AM  

Silly Jesus: I think to a lot of people it isn't necessarily the blatant breaking of the law, but rather the inconsideration of the act of riding down the road itself.


Then instead of hating cyclists, maybe you should work with them to get more bike paths in your community. Or roads not built so narrow that nothing except an econobox could pass a cyclist. Or laws like, cycling on sidewalks is permitted in the absence of room on the roadway. Because, yeah, getting cyclists off of sidewalks was a good move, there was the occaisional cyclist-on-pedestrian accident. But car-on-cyclist accident is far, far worse. Much less people are able to walk away from them.
 
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