The only thing that ruined six Feet Under for me was all the queer sex all the time. so I can imagine Game of thrones is more of the same

/haven't seen it

Someone get the fainting couch and smelling salts for Tatsuma, he's clutching his pearls again.

Rincewind53: Also, the "Women aren't as visual" thing has been pretty clearly debunked for years. Go ask the TFettes if they don't enjoy looking at attractive men.

See any point you thought you made was lost right here.

Sure, they enjoy seeing properly sculpted, groomed and bronzed male physiques, but e-mail a pic of your junk to a random farkette and I guarantee their reaction would be different than the one you would have if a random farkette texted you a pic of their coochie.

Less visual doesn't mean they get no satisfaction from looking, just that it is nowhere near the same level that men get.

The real fact of the matter is that we are all adults and should not be worrying over whether or not there's too much violence or sex in a show we all agree we like. If it was on at 4pm in place of children's cartoons we might have reason to concern ourselves, but it's not, it's an adult show for adults, so who gives a fark if there's sex and violence in it?

The only thing we should be concerning ourselves with is why isn't each episode 2 hours long? And there should be twice as many episodes. That'd be great.

Well, if the series follows the books, people that like the violence but aren't a big fan of the sex are about to get pretty much exactly what they want. The sex was mostly to have something actually going on while the story is focused on politics, now that all the kings are in the field and the political sub-plots are ending badly for everyone involved, we're hitting the point of the storyline where the heavy thematic hitters displace the casual debauchery.

Basically, all the characters sort of have to grow up and put on their big-boy motivations, and cast aside their adolescent farking about. Tyrion's lost wife becomes a major presence, Littlefinger's obsession with Mrs. Stark takes precedence over the silly whorehouse storyline, Jamie becomes focused on regaining his honor, and about 75% of the rest of the named cast gets stabbed or beheaded to death in the space of a book or so, and subsequently spends a lot less time chasing tail and a lot more keeping their own tales from abruptly being cut short. Plus more magical shiat follows the dragons, and magical shiat don't care about your love life, son.

Basically, this being HBO, they're going to have to randomly stick people having sex in the backgrounds of arbitrary scenes for no reason (aka "the Rome method") or focus really strongly on some rather trivial shiat from the perspective of the books to get their ration of tits in. I expect like half of the screen time to go to Daenaerys in the next season or two, since she's literally the only character whose sex life is remotely relevant past about three chapters from where we're currently sitting, book-wise.

Darth_Lukecash: There was only one scene I thought gratuitous . When Littlefinger explaining the past to two women pleasuring themselves. Otherwise, what's so damn wrong about sex and nudity? It's a part of life!

I still maintain that this was a good character moment. Granted, those two didn't have to be having nude sweaty lesbian sex for the scene to work but part of Littlefinger's job involves training his employees so it stands to reason that a situation like this might arise in the course of his training. Also, the speech he gives is pretty central to his character and the ease with which he plays the game (and also wraps around nicely to mirror his manipulation and betrayal of Ned Stark).

Put me down for too much violence and not enough sex.

gratuitous or otherwise......

IF THIS IS GRATUITOUS SEX AND VIOLENCE...THEN WHERE DOES SPARTACUS RANK?

I have never once seen an episode, or read a page, of this Game of Thrones thing.

However, lesbihonest here. That picture posted above, and all this talk of gratuitous sex, makes me intrigued.

I think I could use a few more pics to motivate me to download it though. Little help? :)

needs more boob!



/not obscure if you watch SNL

Tatsuma: Yes yes yes yes yes, absolutely yes.


Sex is sometimes a necessary device to advance the plot (Joffrey and the two prostitutes), but I don't need five consecutive minutes of nearly hardcore porn (seriously, wiping semen from her lip then sending her to blow another guy?) that do absolutely nothing for the plot.

Yeah, yeah, I know HBO's slogan is 'Tits! Swear Words! Vaginas in the distance!' but get over it.

Have you considered not watching the show if you have a problem with HBO's adaptation? Have you read the books? They are staying pretty true to what happens/is described in them and toning down a lot.

All this talk about gratuitous sex and double standards and still no ranking of GoT women by hotness? I'll get the fapping list started:

Doreah - The little vixen from Lysene.
Margaery - Playa!
Osha - Clean her up and send her to my room.
Melisandre - Would her necklace glow if she swallowed?
Daeny - Qarth version, not "in dire need of chapstick" version.
Sansa - DISCLAIMER: only if she is 18+
Cersei - Not absolutely sure I'd awake the next morning.
Shea, Ros, Yara - sharp knees, gym in 26 minutes etc.

GacysBasement: IF THIS IS GRATUITOUS SEX AND VIOLENCE...THEN WHERE DOES SPARTACUS RANK?

It ranks as farking awesome.

/It's so unapologetic about it that you have to admire it. Plus the show really took off after a very rough early phase.

Sedullus getting his face cut off rivals even Gustavo's death on Breaking Bad in terms of pure "holy shiat" moments,

MurphyMurphy:

the 'Jupiter's cock scale of gratuity'TM.

By Neptune's taint, that's a good one.

Darth_Lukecash: There was only one scene I thought gratuitous . When Littlefinger explaining the past to two women pleasuring themselves. Otherwise, what's so damn wrong about sex and nudity? It's a part of life!

That one actually was sort of useful. With the filming, they don't have the internal dialogue that lets you know some backstory and a character's thoughts, so they have the characters say them aloud and reveal the internal secrets to whores.

Same whore actually.
Theon, Littlefinger, Pycelle and to a lesser extent Joffery, all deliver what, in the books, would have been internal monologues to Ros

Le Bomb Suprize: All this talk about gratuitous sex and double standards and still no ranking of GoT women by hotness? I'll get the fapping list started:

Doreah - The little vixen from Lysene.
Margaery - Playa!
Osha - Clean her up and send her to my room.
Melisandre - Would her necklace glow if she swallowed?
Daeny - Qarth version, not "in dire need of chapstick" version.
Sansa - DISCLAIMER: only if she is 18+
Cersei - Not absolutely sure I'd awake the next morning.
Shea, Ros, Yara - sharp knees, gym in 26 minutes etc.

Pics for those who haven't seen these women would be appreciated :P

"It's a truism that Americans are more upset by explicit sex than explicit violence."

seems the only ones who care are reporters needing something to talk about and one reporter seems to be upset she ain't seein enough dick.

I'm fine with both. Both are applicable to the context.

What kind of game is this Game of Thrones?

And is it available on Xbox 360 or PS3?

Jim_Callahan: Well, if the series follows the books, people that like the violence but aren't a big fan of the sex are about to get pretty much exactly what they want. The sex was mostly to have something actually going on while the story is focused on politics, now that all the kings are in the field and the political sub-plots are ending badly for everyone involved, we're hitting the point of the storyline where the heavy thematic hitters displace the casual debauchery.

Basically, all the characters sort of have to grow up and put on their big-boy motivations, and cast aside their adolescent farking about. Tyrion's lost wife becomes a major presence, Littlefinger's obsession with Mrs. Stark takes precedence over the silly whorehouse storyline, Jamie becomes focused on regaining his honor, and about 75% of the rest of the named cast gets stabbed or beheaded to death in the space of a book or so, and subsequently spends a lot less time chasing tail and a lot more keeping their own tales from abruptly being cut short. Plus more magical shiat follows the dragons, and magical shiat don't care about your love life, son.

Basically, this being HBO, they're going to have to randomly stick people having sex in the backgrounds of arbitrary scenes for no reason (aka "the Rome method") or focus really strongly on some rather trivial shiat from the perspective of the books to get their ration of tits in. I expect like half of the screen time to go to Daenaerys in the next season or two, since she's literally the only character whose sex life is remotely relevant past about three chapters from where we're currently sitting, book-wise.

They'll definitely get some distance out of Jon Snow and Ygritte. In the show they're taking a much different route with the relationship between Melisandre and Stannis; there's lots of room to get creative there.

Although I think there are some issues with the sex in Game of Thrones the idea of "gratuitous" violence, sex or anything else is pretty much bullshiat. There isn't some level of sex or violence that is acceptable in art. Any level is acceptable if done right.

So... fark this puritan bullshiat.

Snapper Carr: GacysBasement: IF THIS IS GRATUITOUS SEX AND VIOLENCE...THEN WHERE DOES SPARTACUS RANK?

It ranks as farking awesome.

/It's so unapologetic about it that you have to admire it. Plus the show really took off after a very rough early phase.

Sedullus getting his face cut off rivals even Gustavo's death on Breaking Bad in terms of pure "holy shiat" moments,

The scene where those rich Roman bastards were taking turns at a party cutting off random pieces of that gladiator was almost unwatchable.

The sex scenes in GoT don't bother me too much, but in general I could do without gratuitous sex in movies/tv. It rarely does little, if any, to advance the plot, and to be frank, if I want to see titties, I'm not looking for those kind of movies. As for GoT, the downside of the sex in there is my 12 year old daughter, who just absolutely loves wolves, was so excited when I was telling her about the Dire Wolves in GoT, but let down when I told her she couldn't watch it. Aside from the occasional dismemberment, the show isn't terribly violent, but I really didn't want to sit down and watch a show with my daughter where women are finger-banging each other and a sister is taking it from behind by her brother.

Tatsuma: Sex is sometimes a necessary device to advance the plot (Joffrey and the two prostitutes)

How did that scene advance the plot?


Snapper Carr: GacysBasement: IF THIS IS GRATUITOUS SEX AND VIOLENCE...THEN WHERE DOES SPARTACUS RANK?

It ranks as farking awesome.

/It's so unapologetic about it that you have to admire it. Plus the show really took off after a very rough early phase.

Sedullus getting his face cut off rivals even Gustavo's death on Breaking Bad in terms of pure "holy shiat" moments,

Quarles in Justified.

Last week's episode had 0 Roslyn or random brothel girl and managed to be great. We could do with 0 Roslyn all the time.

The Littlefinger lez scene was odd in that he was delivering important exposition during it and the scene split your focus. Not that I'm complaining.

God that article went on forever and who cares according to the number of viewers the shows a huge hit, they're not gonna change anything.

I'm willing to bet that if HBO cut all the brothel scenes, all the people complaining about them would turn around and say "Where do whores go?"

jeanwearinfool: The sex scenes in GoT don't bother me too much, but in general I could do without gratuitous sex in movies/tv. It rarely does little, if any, to advance the plot, and to be frank, if I want to see titties, I'm not looking for those kind of movies. As for GoT, the downside of the sex in there is my 12 year old daughter, who just absolutely loves wolves, was so excited when I was telling her about the Dire Wolves in GoT, but let down when I told her she couldn't watch it. Aside from the occasional dismemberment, the show isn't terribly violent, but I really didn't want to sit down and watch a show with my daughter where women are finger-banging each other and a sister is taking it from behind by her brother.


Yeah, I felt the same way about The Sopranos: my pre-teen is really into her Italian-American studies class, but the Bada-Bing girls were just too much.


/Doesn't actually have kids
//Isn't the subject matter in GoT a little heavy for a 12yo?

Detinwolf: Last week's episode had 0 Roslyn or random brothel girl and managed to be great. We could do with 0 Roslyn all the time.

The Littlefinger lez scene was odd in that he was delivering important exposition during it and the scene split your focus. Not that I'm complaining.


Yeah, I don't remember a thing he said during that entire monologue.

/I'm doing the 'watch, then read' thing, so I'm sure I'll pick it all up eventually.
//As you said, that scene was worth the "inconvenience"

Serial: I'm willing to bet that if HBO cut all the brothel scenes, all the people complaining about them would turn around and say "Where do whores go?"

Considering the source material, methinks the only way this show would succeed is with a gratuitous amount of sex and violence.

Actually I take that back.

Considering HBO's target demo, methinks the only way this show would succeed is with a gratuitous amount of sex and violence.

Seriously, is there any reason to watch Weeds other than the hope of watching Nancy get her bone on?

GacysBasement: IF THIS IS GRATUITOUS SEX AND VIOLENCE...THEN WHERE DOES SPARTACUS RANK?

the better question is: where was all the Lucy Lawless T&A back when she was making Xena and even hotter?

If the sex and violence will keep the unwashed masses watching a show they wouldn't normally watch than I'm perfectly ok with it. It means it will remain a ratings hit and wont get canceled prematurely. Hell I'm ok with all the sex and violence anyway, what the hell am I saying. You prudes need to STFU already.

Fist. Angry God.

mainstreet62: [images.zap2it.com image 540x720]

Fist. Angry God.

I would mini-van her till the end of time.

/wow second time I got to use the mini-van in one day.
//New record!

alwaysjaded: Strategeryz0r:


Pics for those who haven't seen these women would be appreciated :P

Sure. Why not....

Doreah

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Margaery

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Osha (on the left: from the show. the other her cleaned up)

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Melisandre

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Daeny

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Sansa

Uh. HELL NO!!!

Cersei

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Shea

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Yara

( I actually like her "I'll drink your ass under the table and you're gonna have to work to get in these pants" look.)

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Send Cersei, Doreah, and Shea to my quarters immediately.

No cleanup required... I like em dirty.

farkin' crybabies. If you don't like it then don't farkin' watch it. Why does there always have to be complaints about everything?

I think it's to distract from the fact that the show is terribly written and NOTHING ever happens. I tried, but I honestly do not get the love. I gave up about 10 episodes into season 1. Does something actually happen after that?

Mugato: jeanwearinfool: Aside from the occasional dismemberment, the show isn't terribly violent

That's hilarious.

"Yeah, the rats gnawing through people's stomach is one thing but that sex stuff..."

People are weird.

Maybe I glossed over it. There is violence in the show but it isn't gratuitous, there's at least a point to everything. I feel the same way about sex in something, I don't care if my children witness nudity, or even if there's a brief scene of two people having sex. Violence and sex are natural and I (and their mother) have always been very open (albeit, at times, a little clinical) with our children regarding things like sex, violence, the dark underbelly of life, if you will. My point was not that I'm okay with violence, but not sex, because I agree with you, that is weird. My point was that the sex in there is a little over the top "for a child". As an adult, it doesn't bother me because I don't see it entirely as "sex, for the sake of showing sex" but rather as scenes that do help to define the story in a visceral way.