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(CNN)   Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng had this idea about how in America, human rights take precedence over cheap drywall. Which is nuts, because any moron knows re-election takes precedence over human rights and drywall   (cnn.com) divider line 60
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2012-05-03 11:47:33 AM
this guy is a dead man. so is his family. there's just too much money involved...we aren't going to risk our financial relationship with China for one man.
 
2012-05-03 11:50:14 AM

Weaver95: this guy is a dead man. so is his family. there's just too much money involved...we aren't going to risk our financial relationship with China for one man.


:(
 
2012-05-03 11:53:00 AM

coco ebert: Weaver95: this guy is a dead man. so is his family. there's just too much money involved...we aren't going to risk our financial relationship with China for one man.

:(


i'm sorry, but that's how I see it. oh, we'll make up some diplomatic bullshiat answer to assuage our guilt, and the GOP will pretend to be outraged that Obama did exactly what the Republicans would have done under the same circumstances. Then the story will fade from the press, China will cover the story up and the bodies will end up in a mass grave somewhere. Life goes on, iPads will be sold and in six months nobody in this country will remember what this was all about.
 
2012-05-03 12:00:05 PM

Weaver95: coco ebert: Weaver95: this guy is a dead man. so is his family. there's just too much money involved...we aren't going to risk our financial relationship with China for one man.

:(

i'm sorry, but that's how I see it. oh, we'll make up some diplomatic bullshiat answer to assuage our guilt, and the GOP will pretend to be outraged that Obama did exactly what the Republicans would have done under the same circumstances. Then the story will fade from the press, China will cover the story up and the bodies will end up in a mass grave somewhere. Life goes on, iPads will be sold and in six months nobody in this country will remember what this was all about.


I know. It's just sad.
 
2012-05-03 12:00:14 PM
I predict quite a lot of "Obama isn't not doing too little enough about this!" articles in the right-wing media over the next few months.
 
2012-05-03 12:03:12 PM
Until the American people are willing to pay more for consumer goods, the government is going to keep overlooking Chinese human rights abuses.
 
2012-05-03 12:06:49 PM

Aarontology: Until the American people are willing to pay more for consumer goods, the government is going to keep overlooking Chinese human rights abuses.


it's not even that...the bulk of consumer goods are made in China. hell, most corporations have their supply chain right there in the same area of China. that is a LOT of money at stake. And i'm not even talking about all the loans China has made to the US government.

if you're a chinese activist, don't count on the USA to save your ass. we're probably going to just turn you right over to the Chinese authorities and pretend we don't know who you are.
 
2012-05-03 12:08:54 PM

Weaver95: it's not even that...the bulk of consumer goods are made in China. hell, most corporations have their supply chain right there in the same area of China. that is a LOT of money at stake. And i'm not even talking about all the loans China has made to the US government.


Well yeah, that's what I mean. We can condemn China all we want, but we've built our economy on depending upon the cheap labor and resources that Chinese oppression has provided.
 
2012-05-03 12:20:31 PM

Aarontology: Weaver95: it's not even that...the bulk of consumer goods are made in China. hell, most corporations have their supply chain right there in the same area of China. that is a LOT of money at stake. And i'm not even talking about all the loans China has made to the US government.

Well yeah, that's what I mean. We can condemn China all we want, but we've built our economy on depending upon the cheap labor and resources that Chinese oppression has provided.


Not only that, but the Republicans openly admire the Chinese solution to labor problems.
 
2012-05-03 12:22:25 PM
Did you know that the Chinese government bills the family of the people they execute for the cost of the bullets? It makes Texas look like bleeding-heart libtard-land!
 
2012-05-03 12:24:21 PM
It bothers me that drywall, as f*cking heavy as it is, can be made in and SHIPPED FROM China cheaper than it can be made in the US. Probably not cheaper if you have to install it twice, though. But I'm way off topic.
 
2012-05-03 12:38:25 PM
His first mistake was expecting the US to give a shiat about human rights in general.
 
2012-05-03 12:49:09 PM

Weaver95: Aarontology: Until the American people are willing to pay more for consumer goods, the government is going to keep overlooking Chinese human rights abuses.

it's not even that...the bulk of consumer goods are made in China. hell, most corporations have their supply chain right there in the same area of China. that is a LOT of money at stake. And i'm not even talking about all the loans China has made to the US government.

if you're a chinese activist, don't count on the USA to save your ass. we're probably going to just turn you right over to the Chinese authorities and pretend we don't know who you are.


I think it's less our financial dealings with them (remember it's in their best interest to maintain financial dealings with us as well) and more so leverage in dealing with North Korea, Iran, and Syria.
 
2012-05-03 12:51:11 PM
Yes, this guy is under so much goverment threat, he gives interviews on CNN. And he never wanted asylum, just wanted to go to US. Originally he wanted to stay in China.
 
2012-05-03 01:07:25 PM

oldfarthenry: Did you know that the Chinese government bills the family of the people they execute for the cost of the bullets? It makes Texas look like bleeding-heart libtard-land!


Don't give Texas ideas.
 
2012-05-03 01:08:37 PM
Yeah, subby, this case is that straight-forward and simple.
 
2012-05-03 01:12:39 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Yeah, subby, this case is that straight-forward and simple.


actually, most things in life are straightforward and simple. its just that nobody wants to accept the consequences of doing the right/honorable/noble thing. what complicates life is that we try to find a compromise between being 'good' and maintaining the status quo.
 
2012-05-03 01:16:12 PM
Are you listening, Taiwan?

Yeah, there's not a US Embassy big enough for you.
 
2012-05-03 01:19:09 PM
US to Chen:

Nice knowin' ya.

China to US:

That's a good little biatch.
 
2012-05-03 01:20:50 PM
That was a dumb thing for him to think.
 
2012-05-03 01:20:53 PM

TheShavingofOccam123: Are you listening, Taiwan?

Yeah, there's not a US Embassy big enough for you.


Being a friend to the US has no benefits anymore.
 
2012-05-03 01:23:59 PM

Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Yeah, subby, this case is that straight-forward and simple.

actually, most things in life are straightforward and simple. its just that nobody wants to accept the consequences of doing the right/honorable/noble thing. what complicates life is that we try to find a compromise between being 'good' and maintaining the status quo.


This has been a zoo. The guy makes a heroic escape and ends up under US protection. He says that, given certain guarantees (for his and his family's safety, his ability to continue his studies and be allowed to speak out on certain issues) he would prefer to stay in China. The Chinese government agrees, so Chen decides to stay. Thus he is taken to a hospital where he effectively comes under Chinese control. Now that he's in the Chinese orbit, he decides he wants to leave China after all, and accompany Clinton to the USA.

What are we supposed to do? Send some diplomats to the hospital and say "Hey Comrades, we're here to take Chen to the states!"?

It's a clusterfark, largely of Chen's own doing. He doesn't get to whine about US hypocrisy and subby doesn't get to evoke some reelection BS.
 
2012-05-03 01:24:03 PM
We like to talk a big game about how we love freedom and protect human rights but from the start we never really meant it. Just ask the Native Americans.
 
2012-05-03 01:25:12 PM
I dreamed a dream...
 
2012-05-03 01:26:54 PM

Pincy: We like to talk a big game about how we love freedom and protect human rights but from the start we never really meant it. Just ask the Native Americans.


1.bp.blogspot.com

Freedom from the tyranny of foreign hordes is every Nativist's dream.
 
2012-05-03 01:27:23 PM

Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: it's not even that...the bulk of consumer goods are made in China. hell, most corporations have their supply chain right there in the same area of China. that is a LOT of money at stake. And i'm not even talking about all the loans China has made to the US government.

Well yeah, that's what I mean. We can condemn China all we want, but we've built our economy on depending upon the cheap labor and resources that Chinese oppression has provided.

Not only that, but the Republicans openly admire the Chinese solution to labor problems.


Good to see our Democratic leaders standing up to it....oh wait...
 
2012-05-03 01:27:46 PM
Wait -- you were serious about wanting asylum for yourself and your family??!!

www.thegatewaypundit.com

LET ME LAUGH EVEN HARDER
 
2012-05-03 01:27:59 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Yeah, subby, this case is that straight-forward and simple.

actually, most things in life are straightforward and simple. its just that nobody wants to accept the consequences of doing the right/honorable/noble thing. what complicates life is that we try to find a compromise between being 'good' and maintaining the status quo.

This has been a zoo. The guy makes a heroic escape and ends up under US protection. He says that, given certain guarantees (for his and his family's safety, his ability to continue his studies and be allowed to speak out on certain issues) he would prefer to stay in China. The Chinese government agrees, so Chen decides to stay. Thus he is taken to a hospital where he effectively comes under Chinese control. Now that he's in the Chinese orbit, he decides he wants to leave China after all, and accompany Clinton to the USA.

What are we supposed to do? Send some diplomats to the hospital and say "Hey Comrades, we're here to take Chen to the states!"?

It's a clusterfark, largely of Chen's own doing. He doesn't get to whine about US hypocrisy and subby doesn't get to evoke some reelection BS.


he's confused and likely acting on imperfect information. it's not easy to make calm reasoned decisions under those sorts of circumstances. my view is that if he stays in china, he's likely a dead man. that government is not kind to political dissidents.
 
2012-05-03 01:29:18 PM

Mrbogey: TheShavingofOccam123: Are you listening, Taiwan?

Yeah, there's not a US Embassy big enough for you.

Being a friend to the US has no benefits anymore.


Dogs are wanted, not friends.
 
2012-05-03 01:30:11 PM

EWreckedSean: Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: it's not even that...the bulk of consumer goods are made in China. hell, most corporations have their supply chain right there in the same area of China. that is a LOT of money at stake. And i'm not even talking about all the loans China has made to the US government.

Well yeah, that's what I mean. We can condemn China all we want, but we've built our economy on depending upon the cheap labor and resources that Chinese oppression has provided.

Not only that, but the Republicans openly admire the Chinese solution to labor problems.

Good to see our Democratic leaders standing up to it....oh wait...


if you stand up for labor rights, you get called a commie bastard.
 
2012-05-03 01:32:38 PM

Weaver95: he's confused and likely acting on imperfect information. it's not easy to make calm reasoned decisions under those sorts of circumstances. my view is that if he stays in china, he's likely a dead man. that government is not kind to political dissidents.


I was just defending my assertion that this was not as simple as subby made it out to be. It has little, if anything, to do with this being an election year.
 
2012-05-03 01:33:35 PM
Fer frank's sake man, Secretary Clinton was on the board of directors at Walmart when Tienanmen Square went down (Walmart's imports from China increased by nearly 30% that year, another 30% the next).

Yes, if you wanted asylum in Peoria, China was happy to pack your bags for you. If you think that this administration cares about making more than the most-token-possible effort to give you a soapbox? Nope.
 
2012-05-03 01:33:42 PM
This guy was doomed 12 years ago by typical Republican politicians that were only looking out for Big Business. Oh... wait...

Link
 
2012-05-03 01:35:19 PM
Let's all pretend police state champions in America give a shiat.

"President Fart won't rescue this poor man that just wants freedoms! Now, how do we shut down this Occupy thing?"
 
2012-05-03 01:43:37 PM
When dealing with illegals from Mexico, Farkers usually post a poem by Emma Lazarus......When dealing with Chinese dissidents they post excuses for Obama.
 
2012-05-03 01:47:43 PM

Giltric: When dealing with illegals from Mexico, Farkers usually post a poem by Emma Lazarus......When dealing with Chinese dissidents they post excuses for Obama.


WTF does Obama have to do with this?
 
2012-05-03 01:49:58 PM

Giltric: When dealing with illegals from Mexico, Farkers usually post a poem by Emma Lazarus......When dealing with Chinese dissidents they post excuses for Obama.


Seriously. Why hasn't Obama sent in Seal Team 6 yet? Way to go, President Fart.
 
2012-05-03 01:50:07 PM

Weaver95: if you stand up for labor rights, you get called a commie bastard.


So? I think the reputation for standing up against human rights abuses carries far more weight than being called a commie bastard.
 
2012-05-03 01:58:32 PM

Weaver95: Aarontology: Weaver95: it's not even that...the bulk of consumer goods are made in China. hell, most corporations have their supply chain right there in the same area of China. that is a LOT of money at stake. And i'm not even talking about all the loans China has made to the US government.

Well yeah, that's what I mean. We can condemn China all we want, but we've built our economy on depending upon the cheap labor and resources that Chinese oppression has provided.

Not only that, but the Republicans openly admire the Chinese solution to labor problems.


I'm a bit surprised nobody's run with the anti-abortion element.

But then, they're Chinese fetuses, so Jesus doesn't give a fark.
 
2012-05-03 01:58:32 PM
F*ck.

I was expecting him to quietly go "missing" from the U.S. Embassy and show up in some non-extradition country in a few months. This is bullsh*t.
 
2012-05-03 02:17:46 PM
THIS JUST IN: Rush Limbaugh calls Chinese dissident Chen Guangcheng a slut. Obama immediately phones Guangcheng, offers him sanctuary in the US
//
 
2012-05-03 02:59:15 PM

Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Yeah, subby, this case is that straight-forward and simple.

actually, most things in life are straightforward and simple. its just that nobody wants to accept the consequences of doing the right/honorable/noble thing. what complicates life is that we try to find a compromise between being 'good' and maintaining the status quo.

This has been a zoo. The guy makes a heroic escape and ends up under US protection. He says that, given certain guarantees (for his and his family's safety, his ability to continue his studies and be allowed to speak out on certain issues) he would prefer to stay in China. The Chinese government agrees, so Chen decides to stay. Thus he is taken to a hospital where he effectively comes under Chinese control. Now that he's in the Chinese orbit, he decides he wants to leave China after all, and accompany Clinton to the USA.

What are we supposed to do? Send some diplomats to the hospital and say "Hey Comrades, we're here to take Chen to the states!"?

It's a clusterfark, largely of Chen's own doing. He doesn't get to whine about US hypocrisy and subby doesn't get to evoke some reelection BS.

he's confused and likely acting on imperfect information. it's not easy to make calm reasoned decisions under those sorts of circumstances. my view is that if he stays in china, he's likely a dead man. that government is not kind to political dissidents.

And the Embassy was supposed to do.. what?

The Embassy decides to let him leave? Then we have kidnapped a Chinese citizen on Chinese soil.
Chen did this to himself when he made the decision to stay in China with his family. It's not like he did not know the Chinese government were murderous bastards.

It sucks and I hate it but he made that choice.
 
2012-05-03 03:46:07 PM
Did anyone expect Obama to protect an abortion opponent?

Seriously?
 
2012-05-03 03:50:38 PM

YELLOL: Did anyone expect Obama to protect an abortion opponent?

Seriously?


Very clever, YETROLL
 
2012-05-03 04:05:31 PM

IronOcelot: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Weaver95: Lionel Mandrake: Yeah, subby, this case is that straight-forward and simple.

actually, most things in life are straightforward and simple. its just that nobody wants to accept the consequences of doing the right/honorable/noble thing. what complicates life is that we try to find a compromise between being 'good' and maintaining the status quo.

This has been a zoo. The guy makes a heroic escape and ends up under US protection. He says that, given certain guarantees (for his and his family's safety, his ability to continue his studies and be allowed to speak out on certain issues) he would prefer to stay in China. The Chinese government agrees, so Chen decides to stay. Thus he is taken to a hospital where he effectively comes under Chinese control. Now that he's in the Chinese orbit, he decides he wants to leave China after all, and accompany Clinton to the USA.

What are we supposed to do? Send some diplomats to the hospital and say "Hey Comrades, we're here to take Chen to the states!"?

It's a clusterfark, largely of Chen's own doing. He doesn't get to whine about US hypocrisy and subby doesn't get to evoke some reelection BS.

he's confused and likely acting on imperfect information. it's not easy to make calm reasoned decisions under those sorts of circumstances. my view is that if he stays in china, he's likely a dead man. that government is not kind to political dissidents.
And the Embassy was supposed to do.. what?

The Embassy decides to let him leave? Then we have kidnapped a Chinese citizen on Chinese soil.
Chen did this to himself when he made the decision to stay in China with his family. It's not like he did not know the Chinese government were murderous bastards.

It sucks and I hate it but he made that choice.


I'm with you. This guy willingly put his family's life in danger and now he wants the most powerful country in the world to illegally take him and his family out of Chinese territory during a diplomatic conference while his story is plastered all over the global media.

Maybe saving him would allow some kind of Hollywood-style uprising to form in China with him at the helm, resulting in human rights and democracy for everyone. Maybe it's just the right thing to do. However, I'm about 99.9999999999999999999% sure he's not that important and is about to suffer the repurcussions of a series of bad decisions that had nothing to do with the US. Hell, he'd probably do more for the Chinese people as a martyr at this point.

/in a bad mood, so my empathy organ is not functioning
 
2012-05-03 04:23:42 PM

violentsalvation: It bothers me that drywall, as f*cking heavy as it is, can be made in and SHIPPED FROM China cheaper than it can be made in the US. Probably not cheaper if you have to install it twice, though. But I'm way off topic.


smrt, Gypsum, CO would say the same...
 
2012-05-03 06:13:03 PM
I was hoping there would be more jokes about the funny way Chinese people talk.

/Leaving disappointed.
 
2012-05-03 06:37:23 PM
Sad about all this....we have more people in the USA who actively support Communist China than their own people do

You support Free Trade with Communist China....you are a Communist
 
2012-05-03 06:39:54 PM

Weaver95: coco ebert: Weaver95: this guy is a dead man. so is his family. there's just too much money involved...we aren't going to risk our financial relationship with China for one man.

:(

i'm sorry, but that's how I see it. oh, we'll make up some diplomatic bullshiat answer to assuage our guilt, and the GOP will pretend to be outraged that Obama did exactly what the Republicans would have done under the same circumstances. Then the story will fade from the press, China will cover the story up and the bodies will end up in a mass grave somewhere. Life goes on, iPads will be sold and in six months nobody in this country will remember what this was all about.


So true....

Kinda hard to blast Obama solely on this...when Rush Limbaugh spends so much time on his show cheerleading for the Communist Chinese

If you are not willing to end Free Trade with Communist China....you are just as guilty as Obama is on wilching trying to free this man
 
2012-05-03 08:05:09 PM

UCFRoadWarrior: .you are just as guilty as Obama is on wilching trying to free this man


How did Obama "wilch?"

The man said he wanted to stay in China so he left US custody voluntarily.

You people need to STFU until you know what happened
 
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