Tatsuma: kingoomieiii: Oh, so, for example, did God create man AFTER the world was teeming with animals (Gen 1:24-27), or was man the FIRST life on Earth (Gen 2:5-7)?

You know what happens when you just cut-paste things from the internet without verifying them yourself?

You end up looking stupid. There is absolutely no mention that man was 'the FIRST life on Earth' in Bereshiat 2:5-7, and certainly doesn't say that animals were not around either. At least DamnYankee got a bit closer to what could be brought up as a contradiction.

0/10 for you. Not even a contradiction there.

DamnYankees: Man was created after the plants. Gen.1:12, 26.
Man was created before the plants. Gen.2:5-9.

The verse in Bereshiat 1:26 uses a word that can be translated as 'brought forth' but does not mean that it actually grew out of the soil. It means that all the seeds and all the groundwork was prepared for plant life everywhere, but it had not yet come to fruition.

Plants were created before man, but they only bloomed after Adam prayed.

2/10

sorry, but i'm not going to waste my time reading the rest of this thread before i say AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! shut up, ass!

And to think I used to wear this to school in 7th grade and never had problems.

superdolfan1: The My Little Pony Killer: superdolfan1: And neither have you. Read Matthew 6 in its entirety and then get back to me as to what verses 5-7 actually say. And no, it has nothing to do with closets.

/Hates it when atheists take Matt. 6:5 out of context

Taken directly from KJV:

6:5= And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6:6= But thou, when thou prayest, enter into they closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to they Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Bible disagrees with you, sparky.

Again, I say, read the entire chapter, not just the two verses. Atheists/Agnostics/Freethinkers/et al enjoy taking those two verses out of context and use it to solidify their argument against public prayer.

Guess I'll have to have a brief Sunday School lesson here for those who are to lazy to read the entire chapter. Jesus, like the rest of us, hated disliked hypocrites, especially those who wore their faith on their sleeves, like the Pharisees. He felt prayer needed to be sincere, not an act of showmanship, which is what the Pharisees seemed to do every chance they got.

Matthew 6 talks about hypocrisy in giving to the poor, praying, fasting, etc. and was directed at those who do it to bring attention to themselves, instead of what it's really for, which is to glorify the Father. Romans 14:11 reads "As certainly as I live, declares the Lord, every knee will bow to me, and every tongue will praise God.". Obviously somebody will be in a public place when this takes place.

And yes, the closet part is being used as a metaphor in Matt. 6:5-7.

Yeah, well, the bible says a lot of things. a lot of hateful, shiatty things. So there's always that, too.

Smoky Dragon Dish: dbutts: Smoky Dragon Dish: dbutts: liam76: "But I didn't go for that because I have my rights as a Canadian citizen," Swinimer said.


You have no right to free speechin canada silly.

Unless of course you are a muslim insulting christians, jews or homosexuals.

Why can't we send all the religious people to an island with guns, like Hunger Games or something, and figure out who the true God is? Kinda like what they wanna do with the gays.

1/10 Not a good trolling attempt. You need more practice.
1/10 Pas une bonne tentative à la traîne. Vous avez besoin de plus de pratique.

/ Respecting your human rights for bilingualism.

Trolling who? There are religious people on Fark? Still? On Fark...but why? Don't get me started on the God Damn French Language Police...

There are religious people everywhere, but in differing quantities. Freeman Dyson is religious, and he's a lot smarter than me, to name one.

You mean the police langue française de l'Enfer? Right???

Yes, those assholes...visit Montreal often? I honestly don't troll religious people, I don't get much out of arguing with them. I do however hold the opinion that religious people are not as intelligent as the unbelievers. So, troll on I guess.

SphericalTime: I alone am best: I think the answer is yes. If you believe in God and you are doing it to spread his word and your only bringing the attention to yourself because of that then God would not look down on you. This passage is just for people who are doing it for the sole purpose of convincing others of their piety.

Also, I am not defending the kid. I think he is an attention whore. I just think that people who don't understand what it means should tell Christians that they should go pray in their bedroom and only in their bedroom should be spouting off about it.

I think this is an interesting reading, mostly because it adds meaning that the chapter doesn't contain to excuse the behavior of current Christians. It's essentially an eisegesis that allows the current practices to continue even though they're clearly in violation of Matthew 6. After all, the passage clearly doesn't delineate between true believers and false believers who pray in public. If anything, it suggests that praying in public is actually a problem itself, even if you are being otherwise righteous and believing while doing so.

Then you say, "I just think that people who don't understand what it means should tell Christians that they should go pray in their bedroom and only in their bedroom should be spouting off about it." That assumes that the people who understand this passage differently =/= Christians, which is a laughable claim. After all, the assumption (or presumption) that Christians have a special understanding of the Bible granted by God basically precludes the existence of more than a few splinter major splinter groups . . . and we can look around to see the falsity of that assumption. There's just no way to reconcile special revelation with our actual, living world, or with the understanding that Christians are sinners too.

Inerrancy and infallibility are weird things, even when talking about just the limited claims that the Pope makes. That some Christians in the United States claim ...

The meaning is explicitly stated in the verse.

"Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them. If you do, you will have no reward from your Father in heaven."

That's the gist of whats to be conveyed in the rest of the passage.

"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others."

He is warning people to not do it just so they look good in the eyes of others.

krafty420: Swinimer says the principal would have accepted a shirt with the slogan, "My life is wasted without Jesus."

So adding the word "my" could have saved his ass - sounds reasonable

He should have just sharpied "my" onto the shirt to call their bluff.

I like how the kid is making a religious/human rights issue out of it. The principal said to stop wearing the shirt and the kid decided that now was the perfect time to break out that cross he'd been saving and nail himself to it. One of the best lessons kids can learn in high school is that sometimes you have to do what you are told and conform and it is a lot easier to learn that lesson when you are in high school than when you are out in the real world and have bills to pay.

Dear World,

Religion is like a penis. It's fine to have one and it's fine to be proud of it, but please don't whip it out in public and start waving it around... and PLEASE don't try to shove it down my child's throat.

Sincerely, tired of hearing your religious guff

fusillade762: ArkAngel: freedom of speech

I thought we'd settled this: high school students don't have any freedom of anything on school grounds.

in the USA maybe, but this article was in canada

He wasn't suspended for wearing the shirt, he was suspended for being an asshole.

Smoky Dragon Dish: Mugato: I had to wear tape over my "I'm Bart Simpson, who the Hell are you?" shirt, that's how far back I go.

We couldn't wear Spuds McKenize tee-shirts at school. That's how far back *I* go.

Coed Naked shirts anyone?

SphericalTime: I alone am best: He is warning people to not do it just so they look good in the eyes of others.

He isn't limiting it. He's very clear about that.

Looking at the passage and some other passages from the bible public prayer might not be the way to go. I still believe the entire reason may be the impression that one is left with after seeing someone pray. I also still believe however that the passage still states that prayer outside of the home is not frowned upon by god if the purpose of the prayer is not to draw attention to yourself or show others how righteous you are.

Then again we know most people who participate in public prayer are doing it just to let others know they are doing it or to look better in someone else's eyes.

Nick the What: Nick the What: I have to admit, I can't believe the school employees go ahead with these types of things before going over it with legal council first. Right in the article: "We'll be looking for some people with understanding in this area to help us with that,"

Well, you've already suspended him, so a little late don't ya' think. You've already brought international attention down on your selves, and exposed your selves to possible litigation. Wait till The Sun picks this up. Oy!

Then again this is Nova Scotia so...

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will check to see if I'm the Weeners TPB

Also when this does goes to court:

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-The big guy?! The big guy? That's Jesus, Ricky.
-Yeah, Jesus. That's what I said. Santa.

What season/episode is that from?

fusillade762: ArkAngel: freedom of speech

I thought we'd settled this: high school students don't have any freedom of anything on school grounds.

This is Canada they don't have freedom anyway.

I alone am best: SphericalTime: I alone am best: He is warning people to not do it just so they look good in the eyes of others.

He isn't limiting it. He's very clear about that.

Looking at the passage and some other passages from the bible public prayer might not be the way to go. I still believe the entire reason may be the impression that one is left with after seeing someone pray. I also still believe however that the passage still states that prayer outside of the home is not frowned upon by god if the purpose of the prayer is not to draw attention to yourself or show others how righteous you are.

Then again we know most people who participate in public prayer are doing it just to let others know they are doing it or to look better in someone else's eyes.

Let's see:

1. Jesus says, "Don't be a hypocrite"
2. Jesus says, "Here is what hypocrites do"
3. ???
4. You say "yeah but it is totally cool when I do it, right?"

/hypocrite

ACLU will be all over this one ............right?

bigsteve3OOO: ACLU will be all over this one ............right?

if Canada has an ACLU, then maybe.

Ace Rimmer: I alone am best: SphericalTime: I alone am best: He is warning people to not do it just so they look good in the eyes of others.

He isn't limiting it. He's very clear about that.

Looking at the passage and some other passages from the bible public prayer might not be the way to go. I still believe the entire reason may be the impression that one is left with after seeing someone pray. I also still believe however that the passage still states that prayer outside of the home is not frowned upon by god if the purpose of the prayer is not to draw attention to yourself or show others how righteous you are.

Then again we know most people who participate in public prayer are doing it just to let others know they are doing it or to look better in someone else's eyes.

Let's see:

1. Jesus says, "Don't be a hypocrite"
2. Jesus says, "Here is what hypocrites do"
3. ???
4. You say "yeah but it is totally cool when I do it, right?"

/hypocrite

Your premise is flawed, for one you're assuming I am a Christian. I am not. For two, he is saying that hypocrites draw attention to themselves purposely while praying in public.

Cyber_Junk: Dear World,

Religion is like a penis.

Interesting variation on Möngke Khan's anatomical metaphor...

Tatsuma: Oh boohoo. Something on a t-shirt I disagree with!

The three most offensive things (in order) about this article:

1) The fact that someone would try to prevent him from wearing it
2) the color of the t-shirt
3) the fact he wore it every day for months (seriously?)



We've worn the same shirts for years, and WE RULE!!- uh huhuhuhu.... cool.

Man, it was weird in a meta- sort of way when he did a new season last year, primarily inspired by a hatred of Jersey Shore apparently. They're still wearing the AC/DC and Metallica shirts, even though they're in 2011 apparently (indicated by the videos and shows they're watching), but still the same age but a loser kid of that age wouldn't get all retro with a shirt which was somewhat "dated" as intended some 20 years prior. Now it's like they're some kind of weird time-traveling losers.

The fact that he's using Jesus to be a disruptive jerk makes me sad.

He wasn't in trouble because he was wearing teh Jesus. He was in trouble for being a disruptive jerk.

Non-persecuted Christian in North America. Move along.

genner: This is Canada they don't have freedom anyway.

The tide is rising. Only the fact that Christians are still a majority in the West is preventing an all out attack on religious freedom. The trend will be first no religious expression of any kind anywhere on or near a government building including schools. Then it will be no overt religious expression in any public space lest non believers be offended. Then it will be overt oppression against religious institutions, taxing, licensing and harassment.

We will see an increase in violence directed at the faithful. First attacks on property such as vandalism and then outright church burning. The the violence will spread to the faithful themselves and we will see attacks and bloodshed directed against believers.

The common atheist troll image is that pie chart showing that Christians are in the majority but still complaining about being oppressed. Even a majority can be oppressed, it happens all the time in the world. Imagine if it ever happens that Christians are a minority.

It is coming folks, mark my word.

Oznog: Tatsuma: Oh boohoo. Something on a t-shirt I disagree with!

The three most offensive things (in order) about this article:

1) The fact that someone would try to prevent him from wearing it
2) the color of the t-shirt
3) the fact he wore it every day for months (seriously?)

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We've worn the same shirts for years, and WE RULE!!- uh huhuhuhu.... cool.

Man, it was weird in a meta- sort of way when he did a new season last year, primarily inspired by a hatred of Jersey Shore apparently. They're still wearing the AC/DC and Metallica shirts, even though they're in 2011 apparently (indicated by the videos and shows they're watching), but still the same age but a loser kid of that age wouldn't get all retro with a shirt which was somewhat "dated" as intended some 20 years prior. Now it's like they're some kind of weird time-traveling losers.

they're like the Amish. the rest of world progresses but they stay stuck in their own time period (with hilarious observations). im a long diehard Judge fan and ive only seen 1 episode of the new stuff and i really liked it. i dont have cable but i intend to hopefully find some season-on-dvd type product to consume so i can catch up.

Thank God Christians aren't Muslims or we'd already be at war.

retrograde: The common atheist troll image is that pie chart showing that Christians are in the majority but still complaining about being oppressed. Even a majority can be oppressed, it happens all the time in the world. Imagine if it ever happens that Christians are a minority.

It is coming folks, mark my word.


I'm fine with it.

TNel: The My Little Pony Killer:

Stop complaining about it. It takes two seconds.

Stop complaining about it. It takes two seconds to copy and paste a url.

Fark interface is relatively shiatty. Parsing for :// shouldn't be much trouble, such that instead of prefixing an otherwise blank entry form with the protocol presumtively, requiring it explicitly, or inserting random shiatespace (sic) for no clear reason whasoever, it could intelligently prepend the prefix http to the submitted url, possibly after prompting the user. As an example, I just submitted a test post where a 403 return resulted in my post being stripped of the url instead of asking me to revise the url. The point of modern interface design is to have reactive, predictable, intuitive behavior to make simpler those tasks which are mundane, repetitive, or are not made intuitive thanks to existing shiatty interface design. When the "logic" makes decisions for the user, especially before it should, it actually actively makes the process more complex and demanding of increased time and effort. If, this seems counterproductive, it is becaue it is. It is the job of site developers to make the interface easy to use to cultivate and keep a strong and productive user base, focused on the task at hand instead of how to bypass faults in design. I still come to fark, though, for the trolls and the photoshop.

Futhermore, to counter the argument on its own logic, I find it highly amusing when people incessantly complain about other people complaining, hence, I submitted my very own complaint.

RTOGUY: I'm fine with it.

At least you're honest about your desire to oppress your fellow Americans. Be glad that the present majority does not submit YOU to these kinds of oppression. Be glad that you can bring your frivolous lawsuits trying to get crosses taken down from national cemeteries and war memorials.

Then, as Soviet Russia and Maoist China have shown us atheists are not particularly concerned with the lives of their fellow men.

retrograde: genner: This is Canada they don't have freedom anyway.

The tide is rising. Only the fact that Christians are still a majority in the West is preventing an all out attack on religious freedom. The trend will be first no religious expression of any kind anywhere on or near a government building including schools. Then it will be no overt religious expression in any public space lest non believers be offended. Then it will be overt oppression against religious institutions, taxing, licensing and harassment.

We will see an increase in violence directed at the faithful. First attacks on property such as vandalism and then outright church burning. The the violence will spread to the faithful themselves and we will see attacks and bloodshed directed against believers.

The common atheist troll image is that pie chart showing that Christians are in the majority but still complaining about being oppressed. Even a majority can be oppressed, it happens all the time in the world. Imagine if it ever happens that Christians are a minority.

It is coming folks, mark my word.


You must really love the view from up there on that cross.

Few things to consider:

The Christian faith, especially of the evangelical breed, has a fixation on being persecuted. It comes from all those stories of the Christians being fed to the lions in Rome, and from a need to be the victim and feel as if they are sacrificing something in the name of their faith.

In truth, these same intolerant tards are the ones who are doing most of the persecuting, and when they get called on it, they squeal in fury and rant about 'intolerance' of their 'religious beliefs', which seem to encompass most of what sane and rational people consider to be the worst of human nature.

Is it any surprise that Christians once tried to use the Bible to justify Slavery in the old South, and then justify their intolerance of homosexuality and interracial relationships?

At the end of the day, current Christianity revolves not around loving thy neighbor and even your enemies, but hating anything different than yourself.

retrograde: RTOGUY: I'm fine with it.

At least you're honest about your desire to oppress your fellow Americans. Be glad that the present majority does not submit YOU to these kinds of oppression. Be glad that you can bring your frivolous lawsuits trying to get crosses taken down from national cemeteries and war memorials.

Then, as Soviet Russia and Maoist China have shown us atheists are not particularly concerned with the lives of their fellow men.

you sound like you write for Fox? extrapolation and distortion are truly the skills of a good christian.

Cyber_Junk: You must really love the view from up there on that cross.

I see the pattern emerging. This is the advantage to being a student of history and human nature as opposed to most hateful atheists who seem all too willing to repeat the crimes and folly of the past. Atheism places man at the pinnacle of existence. This is used to justify all kinds of moral relativist horrors. Killing believers as enemies of the state? No problem. Killing the unborn? No problem. Killing ethnic minorities? No problem. There is no "good" and no "evil" its all "just stuff people do". "Good is what we, meaning those in power, say is good". Perfect Stalinist thinking. Big Brother is watching you comrade.

Roller Bob: However, he is throwing away his education over a piece of farking clothing

Education is probably wasted on him, anyway. Aside from the normal teenage attitude of knowing everything, the virulence of his religious beliefs makes him impervious to any factual information that contradicts his fairy tales.

People like that are a lost cause. All you can do is isolate them and keep them from harming themselves or others.

retrograde: Cyber_Junk: You must really love the view from up there on that cross.

I see the pattern emerging. This is the advantage to being a student of history and human nature as opposed to most hateful atheists who seem all too willing to repeat the crimes and folly of the past. Atheism places man at the pinnacle of existence. This is used to justify all kinds of moral relativist horrors. Killing believers as enemies of the state? No problem. Killing the unborn? No problem. Killing ethnic minorities? No problem. There is no "good" and no "evil" its all "just stuff people do". "Good is what we, meaning those in power, say is good". Perfect Stalinist thinking. Big Brother is watching you comrade.

Straw man much?

clyph: retrograde: Cyber_Junk: You must really love the view from up there on that cross.

I see the pattern emerging. This is the advantage to being a student of history and human nature as opposed to most hateful atheists who seem all too willing to repeat the crimes and folly of the past. Atheism places man at the pinnacle of existence. This is used to justify all kinds of moral relativist horrors. Killing believers as enemies of the state? No problem. Killing the unborn? No problem. Killing ethnic minorities? No problem. There is no "good" and no "evil" its all "just stuff people do". "Good is what we, meaning those in power, say is good". Perfect Stalinist thinking. Big Brother is watching you comrade.

Straw man much?

He has a point, if there is no reason then why not?

Mugato: sociopathogen: Tatsuma: kingoomieiii: Oh, so, for example, did God create man AFTER the world was teeming with animals (Gen 1:24-27), or was man the FIRST life on Earth (Gen 2:5-7)?

You know what happens when you just cut-paste things from the internet without verifying them yourself?

You end up looking stupid. There is absolutely no mention that man was 'the FIRST life on Earth' in Bereshiat 2:5-7, and certainly doesn't say that animals were not around either. At least DamnYankee got a bit closer to what could be brought up as a contradiction.

0/10 for you. Not even a contradiction there.

DamnYankees: Man was created after the plants. Gen.1:12, 26.
Man was created before the plants. Gen.2:5-9.

The verse in Bereshiat 1:26 uses a word that can be translated as 'brought forth' but does not mean that it actually grew out of the soil. It means that all the seeds and all the groundwork was prepared for plant life everywhere, but it had not yet come to fruition.

Plants were created before man, but they only bloomed after Adam prayed.

2/10

sorry, but i'm not going to waste my time reading the rest of this thread before i say AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! shut up, ass!


Hey now, those fossils you're thinking about were put there by Satan.

Oh no you don't! They were put there by god to test my faith against godless heathen scientists who would try and make me believe that the world is more than 6,000 years old.

/ex-southern baptist
//glad i escaped

The Flexecutioner: retrograde: RTOGUY: I'm fine with it.

At least you're honest about your desire to oppress your fellow Americans. Be glad that the present majority does not submit YOU to these kinds of oppression. Be glad that you can bring your frivolous lawsuits trying to get crosses taken down from national cemeteries and war memorials.

Then, as Soviet Russia and Maoist China have shown us atheists are not particularly concerned with the lives of their fellow men.

you sound like you write for Fox? extrapolation and distortion are truly the skills of a good christian.

This guy just wrote that he was "fine" with the murder of Christians and the burning of churches and I'm the extremist?

I alone am best: clyph: retrograde: Cyber_Junk: You must really love the view from up there on that cross.

I see the pattern emerging. This is the advantage to being a student of history and human nature as opposed to most hateful atheists who seem all too willing to repeat the crimes and folly of the past. Atheism places man at the pinnacle of existence. This is used to justify all kinds of moral relativist horrors. Killing believers as enemies of the state? No problem. Killing the unborn? No problem. Killing ethnic minorities? No problem. There is no "good" and no "evil" its all "just stuff people do". "Good is what we, meaning those in power, say is good". Perfect Stalinist thinking. Big Brother is watching you comrade.

Straw man much?

He has a point, if there is no reason then why not?

but he paints it like that's the only thing atheists do or are capable of. the other option is if there is no reason then why? and its not like religions havent killed in the name of dominance. but hey, at least they stood for something or some other weak justification.

clyph: Straw man much?

Better go back to the Wiki "Fallacy" page. I don't think you understand the concept of the "straw man" argument.

Ignorant much?

retrograde: The Flexecutioner: retrograde: RTOGUY: I'm fine with it.

At least you're honest about your desire to oppress your fellow Americans. Be glad that the present majority does not submit YOU to these kinds of oppression. Be glad that you can bring your frivolous lawsuits trying to get crosses taken down from national cemeteries and war memorials.

Then, as Soviet Russia and Maoist China have shown us atheists are not particularly concerned with the lives of their fellow men.

you sound like you write for Fox? extrapolation and distortion are truly the skills of a good christian.

This guy just wrote that he was "fine" with the murder of Christians and the burning of churches and I'm the extremist?

no, you are the idiot. he was fine with christianity being the minority. you are fine with stretching that out to the absurd "murder of christians and burning of churches". you are at least effectively trolling, but only until 8pm when i have to get up from the computer and do things that matter more in my life. but until then i'll feed it. this thread got way less interesting without tatsuma, so im just really bored.

retrograde: Cyber_Junk: You must really love the view from up there on that cross.

I see the pattern emerging. This is the advantage to being a student of history and human nature as opposed to most hateful atheists who seem all too willing to repeat the crimes and folly of the past. Atheism places man at the pinnacle of existence. This is used to justify all kinds of moral relativist horrors. Killing believers as enemies of the state? No problem. Killing the unborn? No problem. Killing ethnic minorities? No problem. There is no "good" and no "evil" its all "just stuff people do". "Good is what we, meaning those in power, say is good". Perfect Stalinist thinking. Big Brother is watching you comrade.

Do you have any evidence that proves that all those atrocities committed by atheists were committed because they were atheists? Because christians and other religious people have committed various atrocities in the name of their higher being(s). What is the difference?